Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

A follow-up to an excellent article that was in yesterday's Herald, http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/...r-spl.18131361.

Which went into greater detail on the back of the blog that appeared last week (see +/- 50 pages back).

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Originally Posted by BOVRIL

The figure remains nil until any new deal could be worked out ... nil it would be until that happens, the guy who wrote the article didnt seem very positive about any deal though.

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Donkastrian pish.

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Originally Posted by Hibby Kay-Yay

That big pay day is not certain though. Some clubs have voiced concerns about the cost of policing, stewards etc. Plus the grounds are only capable of taking limited numbers. Do we know how many supporters Sevco Scotland have and should it be Div 3, will they really follow them to away games?

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They would also, I imagine the Police would insist, have to make the Rangers games all ticket. The Policing (and stewarding) would initially be overkill until they found a level that was predictable and that may take a wee while so the clubs that played them early might not benefit as much as some may think. Grounds may well need to be reassessed as to their capacity, and given current health and safety legislation, maximising potential income for the club involved is going to be the last thing that is considered.

I see this whole venture fraught with more difficulties than I can forsee benefits.

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Originally Posted by reallapsedhibee

Donkastrian pish.

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Dencaster has previous when he predicted the demise of numerous Championship clubs, incuding his own, when the On-digital deal collapsed.

In fact his own club has done quite well without him.

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Originally Posted by Cabbage East

Dear god.

http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish...wsCategoryID=1

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'As a minimum, clubs in the current third and fourth divisions will receive the settlement agreement proportion guaranteed as per the current arrangement.'

An agreement to honour a contractual agreement. What, no more threats and bullying ?

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Originally Posted by The Falcon

They would also, I imagine the Police would insist, have to make the Rangers games all ticket. The Policing (and stewarding) would initially be overkill until they found a level that was predictable and that may take a wee while so the clubs that played them early might not benefit as much as some may think. Grounds may well need to be reassessed as to their capacity, and given current health and safety legislation, maximising potential income for the club involved is going to be the last thing that is considered.

I see this whole venture fraught with more difficulties than I can forsee benefits.

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Fear of their marauding fans is one of the characteristics that might define "Rangers" as a "toxic brand" (c. alextomo). Chuck them out altogether - SPL, SFL, SFA, Scottish society.

If anyone was in any doubt that Doncaster is a compulsive liar.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...em/9338483.stm

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"If the vote goes against two SPL leagues of 10 then we have the status-quo, but that's something that everyone accepts should not be the case," Doncaster said on BBC Radio Scotland's Sportsound programme.

"No one else has put any alternatives up. I think those who want 16 teams in the top flight are deluding themselves.

"That would take a lot of money out of the game, because clubs would play each other just twice.

"So if you take away half of the big games, you're talking about half of the value being lost - around £7m."

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http://www.scotsman.com/sport/a-16-t...ster-1-1668828

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Doncaster, who favours a ten-team top flight, insisted that the forum had been a valuable opportunity to get the realities of the situation across to fans.

"I think the most helpful thing from my point of view was being able to explain that the choice we have is not between a ten and a 16, because football cannot afford at this point to go to a system of once home, once away," the SPL chief said.

"So we have to look at alternative models that mean playing twice home, twice away because fans cannot afford to pay more for their football but we need to, wherever we can, bring more money into football."If we go to a 16-team league, which would appear to be the fans' more favoured model, then we would have to find 20m from somewhere else to keep fans on the financial even keel that they are on at the moment and I do not know where that would come from."

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Originally Posted by Mainboy19

I would a love it if the meeting went something like this on friday:

Doncaster/Regan: We strongly propose that....

SFL: Shut the ****** up. Here's what's happening. You give us cast iron guarantees of reconstruction and distribution of income immediately. Failure to do so will result in Sevco not being admitted at any level in the SFL.

Doncaster/Regan: But but but we'll bring in SPL 2 and you'll be fu...

SFL: Shut the ****** up. You can have Sevco or no Sevco. Give us what we want, NOW, or we'll ****ing ruin you.

Doncaster/Regan: We'll withhold the Settlement monies...

SFL: No, you ****ing won't. Because we'll sue your sorry, quivering ***** and you'll be monumentally ****ed, possibly insolvent and your clubs will be ****ing begging to be part of the SFL again.

SFL: Anything else? No? Well sign here and ****** off with your tails between your legs.

Pure fantasy of course, but it would be absolutely terrific.

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Brilliant script. If we could sell tickets for this meeting and televise on SKY/ ESPN, it would generate enough money to keep Scottish Football solvent for the next 10 years. Personally, I'd pay to watch a repeat every night for the whole of next season. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by BOVRIL

[/B] Pretty sure it will be big enough to fill most 3rd and then 2nd division grounds. Anyway .. I suppose if you are a fan of the Zombie Huns you have a chance to say in 3 or 4 years time that you have been to every ground in Scotland. :greengrin

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Most Zombie Huns need to start by visiting Ipox....

Apologies if already posted - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylucI-soxJ4 - :greengrin

The latest plea for Div1 for Rangers by Henry McLeish :
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According to McLeish, who compiled a wide-ranging review of the game in this country for the SFA, Scottish clubs do not have the “luxury of an ideal world” in which natural justice would see newco Rangers start life in the Third Division after their rejection last week by 
Scottish Premier League clubs.

Article in the Scotsman.

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Originally Posted by The Falcon

They would also, I imagine the Police would insist, have to make the Rangers games all ticket. The Policing (and stewarding) would initially be overkill until they found a level that was predictable and that may take a wee while so the clubs that played them early might not benefit as much as some may think. Grounds may well need to be reassessed as to their capacity, and given current health and safety legislation, maximising potential income for the club involved is going to be the last thing that is considered.

I see this whole venture fraught with more difficulties than I can forsee benefits.

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Have teams in the lower divisions coped with rangers and celtic visiting for cup-ties/pre-season games? Yes.
Have they enjoyed the TV revenue, build-up, media exposure and income generated? Yes.
Can they cope with that twice a season? Absolutely.

Anything else is just scare-mongering which Doncaster et al are renowned at.

We keep hearing about fear and uncertainty in Scottish Football if there is no Sevco FC.
Bollocks.
Uncertainty, yes.

Fear? No danger.

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Originally Posted by jonty

Have teams in the lower divisions coped with rangers and celtic visiting for cup-ties/pre-season games? Yes.
Have they enjoyed the TV revenue, build-up, media exposure and income generated? Yes.
Can they cope with that twice a season? Absolutely.

Anything else is just scare-mongering which Doncaster et al are renowned at.

We keep hearing about fear and uncertainty in Scottish Football if there is no Sevco FC.
Bollocks.
Uncertainty, yes.

Fear? No danger.

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Absolutely spot on

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Originally Posted by Jim44

The latest plea for Div1 for Rangers by Henry McLeish :
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According to McLeish, who compiled a wide-ranging review of the game in this country for the SFA, Scottish clubs do not have the “luxury of an ideal world” in which natural justice would see newco Rangers start life in the Third Division after their rejection last week by 
Scottish Premier League clubs.

Article in the Scotsman.

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Shame that Henry McLeish, when in political office and in such an influential position when a politician, didn't see that investment in facilities, coaching, teaching and youth were the way forward for Scottish football.

Life in a democracy is overseen by law, rules and regulations. Henry M needs to see the game abide, meantime, with what EVERY club agreed to. By all means revisit them, but after they have been followed accordingly on this occasion.

The three bodies have had ample time to introduce some of the recommendations of his report. Idle hands and all that.

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Originally Posted by Jim44

The latest plea for Div1 for Rangers by Henry McLeish :
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According to McLeish, who compiled a wide-ranging review of the game in this country for the SFA, Scottish clubs do not have the “luxury of an ideal world” in which natural justice would see newco Rangers start life in the Third Division after their rejection last week by 
Scottish Premier League clubs.

Article in the Scotsman.

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Ipso facto, they just have to put up with blatant cheating, breaches of the rules etc..
WTF, do these Hun apologists find the basic concepts of sport so foreign and difficult to understand? I can't help thinking that there's a massive disconnect herebetween the great mass of supporters who see a fairily straightforward case of cheating and a so-called elite who patronisingly feel it is fine to load the decks in their favour.

Albion Rovers will demand compensation should derby rivals Airdrie United be promoted to Division One because the new Rangers are voted into Division Three.
Full story: The Sun :confused:

Doncaster & Regan are forgetting one thing. The SFL still have the option of not inviting the huns into the SFL. So hopefully they turn round and say huns go into the 3rd and we still get all the league reforms or kiss goodbye to the hun.
Job done.
The hun would probably be back in the SPL in 2 years with all the reconstruction.

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Originally Posted by truehibernian

Shame that Henry McLeish, when in political office and in such an influential position when a politician, didn't see that investment in facilities, coaching, teaching and youth were the way forward for Scottish football.

Life in a democracy is overseen by law, rules and regulations. Henry M needs to see the game abide, meantime, with what EVERY club agreed to. By all means revisit them, but after they have been followed accordingly on this occasion.

The three bodies have had ample time to introduce some of the recommendations of his report. Idle hands and all that.

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Nobody should know better than McLeish the effect of financial impropriety

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Originally Posted by Jim44

The latest plea for Div1 for Rangers by Henry McLeish :
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According to McLeish, who compiled a wide-ranging review of the game in this country for the SFA, Scottish clubs do not have the “luxury of an ideal world” in which natural justice would see newco Rangers start life in the Third Division after their rejection last week by 
Scottish Premier League clubs.

Article in the Scotsman.

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Why should anyone pay any attention to someone who lost their job after getting caught with their fingers in the till. I can see why he might empathise with rangers given they've both been guilty of dipping the pockets of the taxpayer.

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Originally Posted by jonty

Have teams in the lower divisions coped with rangers and celtic visiting for cup-ties/pre-season games? Yes.
Have they enjoyed the TV revenue, build-up, media exposure and income generated? Yes.
Can they cope with that twice a season? Absolutely.

Anything else is just scare-mongering which Doncaster et al are renowned at.

We keep hearing about fear and uncertainty in Scottish Football if there is no Sevco FC.
Bollocks.
Uncertainty, yes.

Fear? No danger.

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:top marks

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Originally Posted by truehibernian

Shame that Henry McLeish, when in political office and in such an influential position when a politician, didn't see that investment in facilities, coaching, teaching and youth were the way forward for Scottish football.

Life in a democracy is overseen by law, rules and regulations. Henry M needs to see the game abide, meantime, with what EVERY club agreed to. By all means revisit them, but after they have been followed accordingly on this occasion.

The three bodies have had ample time to introduce some of the recommendations of his report. Idle hands and all that.

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He's full of it ..

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Originally Posted by offshorehibby

Doncaster & Regan are forgetting one thing. The SFL still have the option of not inviting the huns into the SFL. So hopefully they turn round and say huns go into the 3rd and we still get all the league reforms or kiss goodbye to the hun.
Job done.
The hun would probably be back in the SPL in 2 years with all the reconstruction.

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:agree: The SFA statement is an absolute commitment whatever happens with the Sevco vote tomorrow. If they withdraw it because the vote goes the 'wrong' way thay would be confirming their own corruption and would demonstrably not be acting in the best interests of the Scottish game.

The worry is that a deal has already been struck and the statement is a show of good faith (for want of a more accurate description) ahead of a favourable vote tomorrow.

Not read all the millions if threads but what if no one votes to allow them back in??

If an SFL club gets angry enough they could easily take the SFL to court for being in breach of its own rule book.As we have seen the court tends to uphold the written word.

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Originally Posted by Aldo

Not read all the millions if threads but what if no one votes to allow them back in??

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Then the SFL have a problem.

My guess is that Resolution 3 (the one to accept the resignation of either Dundee or Dunfermline) will be deferred. It would be easier for the SFL to reject that resignation, as otherwise there will be an odd number of clubs.

What strikes me is the lack of integrity shown not only by the Huns management but also their followers. If it was me and Hibs had been caught cheating and with their hands in the till, then I'd be furious at them and be demanding answers instead of looking for loopholes to avoid just punishment.

If I was in their shoes, I'd never set foot in an SPL stadium again and would be looking further down the food chain for my fitba kicks, maybe even a local team.

But for them this is not an option because for the masses fitba is at best secondary to their bigoted lifestyle and it's only through Rangers that they can live that.

We arrrra people! Low lifes!

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Originally Posted by jonty

Have teams in the lower divisions coped with rangers and celtic visiting for cup-ties/pre-season games? Yes.
Have they enjoyed the TV revenue, build-up, media exposure and income generated? Yes.
Can they cope with that twice a season? Absolutely.

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I am sure they can cope, I dont for a second think they wont. My point was that it may not be as lucrative as some might think.

A cold Tuesday night in November in Peterhead or Elgin, with Rangers already cantering clear, is not going to sell out the same as a one off cup tie. Given the precautions that Peterhead may have to put in place then Rangers will not be the cash cow that their supporters in the media would have us believe.

You are right though, we have nothing to fear.

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Originally Posted by offshorehibby

Doncaster & Regan are forgetting one thing. The SFL still have the option of not inviting the huns into the SFL. So hopefully they turn round and say huns go into the 3rd and we still get all the league reforms or kiss goodbye to the hun.
Job done.
The hun would probably be back in the SPL in 2 years with all the reconstruction.

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Could that be a reason for the postponement of deciding Club 12. If they are not in the SFL perhaps welcome back to SPL.

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Originally Posted by Hiberlin

What strikes me is the lack of integrity shown not only by the Huns management but also their followers. If it was me and Hibs had been caught cheating and with their hands in the till, then I'd be furious at them and be demanding answers instead of looking for loopholes to avoid just punishment.

If I was in their shoes, I'd never set foot in an SPL stadium again and would be looking further down the food chain for my fitba kicks, maybe even a local team.

But for them this is not an option because for the masses fitba is at best secondary to their bigoted lifestyle and it's only through Rangers that they can live that.

We arrrra people! Low lifes!

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Scotland's Shame don't do shame like they don't do paying bills.

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Originally Posted by The Falcon

I am sure they can cope, I dont for a second think they wont. My point was that it may not be as lucrative as some might think.

A cold Tuesday night in November in Peterhead or Elgin, with Rangers already cantering clear, is not going to sell out the same as a one off cup tie. Given the precautions that Peterhead may have to put in place then Rangers will not be the cash cow that their supporters in the media would have us believe.

You are right though, we have nothing to fear.

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Having lived and worked up there Falcon let me tell you there are a good percentage of Rangers fans around these places.....in fact, sadly there are a fair percentage all over Scotland. They'll (SFL clubs) have no problem attracting the Rangers away crowd even for a meaningless game.

Sure I heard Grant Stott saying on the radio that SPL are going to give any prize money due to Rangers for finishing second to Hearts to help offset the lost fees for Wallace. Surely this is not correct and Hearts shouldn't get any preference over other creditors? (Could anyone with knowledge or CC or CWG confirm?)