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11-07-2012, 12:51 PM
Seveno

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

I have only skimmed the Report, but it does say that there are a few items to be dealt with before that happens. If I were a cynic, I might think that meant shr*dding of st*ff...... but I'm not, so I won't.

I would guess a few weeks away yet. That said, if it goes on long enough, BDO might lose patience and just walk in.

I love the thought of BDO just smashing their way in, unannounced. A bit like the Spanish Inquisition or Elliot Ness. :greengrin
11-07-2012, 01:00 PM
Stevie Reid

14 club SPL proposed with THREE promotion slots for the 1st Division. Funny that...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18795597
11-07-2012, 01:05 PM
CropleyWasGod

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Originally Posted by Seveno

I love the thought of BDO just smashing their way in, unannounced. A bit like the Spanish Inquisition or Elliot Ness. :greengrin

Liquidators don't use comfy chairs!
11-07-2012, 01:17 PM
down-the-slope

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

I wonder whats changed, a 16 team league was deemed not profitable enough only a few months ago?

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Originally Posted by offshorehibby

I read in some article the other day on the voting rites for all clubs if the SPL & SFL joined forces again. It stated the SPL would hold 16 'A' shares in the set up and lower clubs old 'B' shares with A&B having different voting rites.
Strange that the SPL were to have 16 shares, makes you wander. As somebody said a couple of weeks back a 16 club SPL wouldn't work.

Backs are now against the wall big time. Also while I think 16 would be great...whos to say that its not 16...playing twice (30 games) and then double round of games in an 8/8 split = 44 games (and giving the possibility of 4 OF games)

Devil is always in the detail
11-07-2012, 01:18 PM
greenginger

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Originally Posted by John_the_angus_hibby

Would piss me off, but would not surprise me. It's sort of the unpalatable middle ground, not in the SPL but not in D3. Would have me going to games, but a bit grumpy.

Division 1 is not where Sevco F C should start life, I think we all agree on that , but there may be one or two pieces of baggage the New Huns will have to accept.

The transfer ban and settling football creditor debts would certainly be a burden but the best part would be they would be stuck with Green.

The New Club will never get fully supported by the bulk of the Hun followers, I see the Share sales being a total flop and season ticket purchase look-warm at best.There will be disgruntled factions sniping from the sidelines because Green and Co are not Rangers Men and anything and everything that is done will be questioned as if its a pocket-lining con by the owners. No doubt the succulent lamb brigade ( if they are still in employment ) will give headlines to every grievance and this will lead to boycotts and protests which will weaken Hun F C for the next few years.
Division 1 might also get the enlarged Premier League we want , but why , if its what the game needs is it only being used as a bargaining chip with the SFL Clubs to benefit the Govan Dodgers ?

Division 3 might see Green bail out allowing " real Rangers Men " in. I would worry if McColl, Park and a few others with some real money behind them got control and united the hoardes. The Club would return to nearer their previous domination of Scottish Football in a much shorter time span.
11-07-2012, 01:22 PM
offshorehibby

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Originally Posted by down-the-slope

Backs are now against the wall big time. Also while I think 16 would be great...whos to say that its not 16...playing twice (30 games) and then double round of games in an 8/8 split = 44 games (and giving the possibility of 4 OF games)

Devil is always in the detail

Knowing Doncaster and his buddies everything will be geared to 4 OF televised games sooner rather than later.
11-07-2012, 01:23 PM
Bishop Hibee

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Originally Posted by down-the-slope

Backs are now against the wall big time. Also while I think 16 would be great...whos to say that its not 16...playing twice (30 games) and then double round of games in an 8/8 split = 44 games (and giving the possibility of 4 OF games)

Devil is always in the detail

And who is supposed to cough up more money to watch 22 home games never mind away ones? Yup, that's right, you and me not the *******s who sit on their fat ***** watching the games on TV :grr:

Do the right thing SFL clubs and get Sevco to apply for Div 3 :agree:
11-07-2012, 01:29 PM
StevieC

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Originally Posted by Stevie Reid

14 club SPL proposed with THREE promotion slots for the 1st Division. Funny that...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18795597

More pressure from the SPL to get SFL clubs to vote Rangers into Division 1!!

Following the SPL vote the resounding statement was "it's out of our hands and up the the SFL now" ... but since then they have done everything in their power to scare, threaten .. and now entice .. the SFL clubs to place Rangers into Division 1!!

:rolleyes:
11-07-2012, 01:29 PM
jgl07

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Originally Posted by down-the-slope

Backs are now against the wall big time. Also while I think 16 would be great...whos to say that its not 16...playing twice (30 games) and then double round of games in an 8/8 split = 44 games (and giving the possibility of 4 OF games)

Devil is always in the detail

There is no way of fitting 44 League games in. There are not enough slots for 22 rounds of fixtures taking account of European midweek fixtures, SFA Cup and International breaks.

EUFA are pressing the 20-team Leagues - Spain, Italy, France, England - to reduce to 18-teams.

The BBC are reporting that a 14-team SPL1 is proposed. That would presumably work with a split after 26 matches, and a second round for the top 7 and bottom t with a further 12 matches. That gives the current 38 matches.
11-07-2012, 01:31 PM
Stevie Reid

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Originally Posted by StevieC

More pressure from the SPL to get SFL clubs to vote Rangers into Division 1!!

Following the SPL vote the resounding statement was "it's out of our hands and up the the SFL now" ... but since then they have done everything in their power to scare, threaten .. and now entice .. the SFL clubs to place Rangers into Division 1!!

:rolleyes:

Yep, and also the top 30% of the league being promoted means that Rangers would have to be unbelievably poor in order to not be promoted from the 1st. Any other year they would've had no relegation and promoted 2.
11-07-2012, 01:31 PM
Part/Time Supporter

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Originally Posted by jgl07

There is no way of fitting 44 League games in. There are not enough slots for 22 rounds of fixtures taking account of European midweek fixtures, SFA Cup and International breaks.

EUFA are pressing the 20-team Leagues - Spain, Italy, France, England - to reduce to 18-teams.

The BBC are reporting that a 14-team SPL1 is proposed. That would presumably work with a split after 26 matches, and a second round for the top 7 and bottom t with a further 12 matches. That gives the current 38 matches.

14 would have top 6 and bottom 8, giving 36 or 40 games.
11-07-2012, 01:33 PM
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I would take that article with at least a ton of salt - the Daily Mail isn't the most dependable source on what's going on in Scottish football at the best of times.

(I wondered when George Peat would slink back up to the surface of the swamp. Still his slimy old self, I see.)
11-07-2012, 01:35 PM
Saorsa

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Originally Posted by StevieC

More pressure from the SPL to get SFL clubs to vote Rangers into Division 1!!

Following the SPL vote the resounding statement was "it's out of our hands and up the the SFL now" ... but since then they have done everything in their power to scare, threaten .. and now entice .. the SFL clubs to place Rangers into Division 1!!

:rolleyes:

That's sporting integrity for you though :wink:
11-07-2012, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by greenginger

Division 1 is not where Sevco F C should start life, I think we all agree on that , but there may be one or two pieces of baggage the New Huns will have to accept.

The transfer ban and settling football creditor debts would certainly be a burden but the best part would be they would be stuck with Green.

The New Club will never get fully supported by the bulk of the Hun followers, I see the Share sales being a total flop and season ticket purchase look-warm at best.There will be disgruntled factions sniping from the sidelines because Green and Co are not Rangers Men and anything and everything that is done will be questioned as if its a pocket-lining con by the owners. No doubt the succulent lamb brigade ( if they are still in employment ) will give headlines to every grievance and this will lead to boycotts and protests which will weaken Hun F C for the next few years.
Division 1 might also get the enlarged Premier League we want , but why , if its what the game needs is it only being used as a bargaining chip with the SFL Clubs to benefit the Govan Dodgers ?

Division 3 might see Green bail out allowing " real Rangers Men " in. I would worry if McColl, Park and a few others will some real money behind them got control and united the hoardes. The Club would return to nearer their previous domination of Scottish Football in a much shorter time span.

:agree: A lot in what you say here - I'm beginning to think that all things considered, Rangers Newco led by Charles Green in Div One might be the least worst of a lot of thoroughly unpalatable scenarios.
11-07-2012, 01:41 PM
R'Albin

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Originally Posted by DailyFail

represents a last-gasp bid by the league to safeguard its lucrative television deals in the wake of the Ibrox club's collapse.

Does anyone actually know if the television deal relies on Rangers being in the league? They're presenting it as a matter of fact that the TV deal will collapse if Rangers aren't in division 1. Well that's how I see it anyway.

Besides, I would hardly describe 80m or whatever it is over 5 years 'lucrative' in the current climate.
11-07-2012, 01:43 PM
down-the-slope

Quote:

Originally Posted by StevieC

More pressure from the SPL to get SFL clubs to vote Rangers into Division 1!!

Following the SPL vote the resounding statement was "it's out of our hands and up the the SFL now" ... but since then they have done everything in their power to scare, threaten .. and now entice .. the SFL clubs to place Rangers into Division 1!!

:rolleyes:

Get you paper work done :wink:

Not a single quote in that article :rolleyes: fantasy....off the record briefing...waving some bait to see if a bite...take your pick

Also should SPL have to ask its members in the next couple of weeks to vote on a change to league.....Rangers FC (IA) would be able to vote on this
11-07-2012, 01:43 PM
Brando7

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Originally Posted by greenginger

Division 1 is not where Sevco F C should start life, I think we all agree on that , but there may be one or two pieces of baggage the New Huns will have to accept.

The transfer ban and settling football creditor debts would certainly be a burden but the best part would be they would be stuck with Green.

The New Club will never get fully supported by the bulk of the Hun followers, I see the Share sales being a total flop and season ticket purchase look-warm at best.There will be disgruntled factions sniping from the sidelines because Green and Co are not Rangers Men and anything and everything that is done will be questioned as if its a pocket-lining con by the owners. No doubt the succulent lamb brigade ( if they are still in employment ) will give headlines to every grievance and this will lead to boycotts and protests which will weaken Hun F C for the next few years.
Division 1 might also get the enlarged Premier League we want , but why , if its what the game needs is it only being used as a bargaining chip with the SFL Clubs to benefit the Govan Dodgers ?

Division 3 might see Green bail out allowing " real Rangers Men " in. I would worry if McColl, Park and a few others with some real money behind them got control and united the hoardes. The Club would return to nearer their previous domination of Scottish Football in a much shorter time span.

SFA & SFL need to watch how they play this embargo deal to let them in div 1, if green saying he'll take the ban if they get into div 1 but remember there is a loophole in SPL rules that states that "clubs who cannot sign players are still able to bring in free agents, as long as they are replacing departing players" I make that 10 players depends if SFL rules say the same? they could have their embargo in div 1 and still sign player of any age not just under18's

Div 3 for me..........at any cost!!
11-07-2012, 01:48 PM
jgl07

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Originally Posted by Doddie

I would take that article with at least a ton of salt - the Daily Mail isn't the most dependable source on what's going on in Scottish football at the best of times.

Wheras their record on English Football is, err, even worse!

Two days ago they reported that Roberto Manchini had signed a contract to become the manager of Russia. The next day he signed a five year contract with Manchester City.
11-07-2012, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by jgl07

Wheras their record on English Football is, err, even worse!

Two days ago they reported that Roberto Manchini had signed a contract to become the manager of Russia. The next day he signed a five year contract with Manchester City.

As you say.

I'm surprised that the "Newco exclusive" didn't finish up with an analysis of the effects of the Rangers scandal on property values in Bearsden or Newton Mearns.

And they didn't mention Polish plumbers once .... :confused:
11-07-2012, 01:51 PM
StevieC

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Originally Posted by down-the-slope

Get you paper work done :wink:

Not a single quote in that article :rolleyes: fantasy....off the record briefing...waving some bait to see if a bite...take your pick

Also should SPL have to ask its members in the next couple of weeks to vote on a change to league.....Rangers FC (IA) would be able to vote on this

Got the invoices printed, just getting the kids to lick the envelopes .. school holidays have their uses. :wink:

Almost every newspaper article has been fantasy, but someone is feeding them with these stories and the fact that no SFA/SPL representatives ever come out to deny them kinda leaves you guessing where the info originated. Every step of the way, and with each door closing on the Rangers saga, the newspapers are fed stories that are clearly trying to sway those involved towards picking the best solution for Rangers.

This whole mess could have been finished the day that the CVA was rejected, by following the rules and placing Sevco into Division 3. By dragging this out the SFA/SPL have only increased the chances of there being no Rangers in any division!
11-07-2012, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by R'Albin

Does anyone actually know if the television deal relies on Rangers being in the league? They're presenting it as a matter of fact that the TV deal will collapse if Rangers aren't in division 1. Well that's how I see it anyway.

Besides, I would hardly describe 80m or whatever it is over 5 years 'lucrative' in the current climate.

My understanding is that it does, and if Newco are out of the League or in Div Three, everyone in Scottish football will suffer, and those who suffer worst will be the SPL clubs outwith the OF.

Erm, I mean, other than Celtc. :devil:
11-07-2012, 01:58 PM
Brando7

£1 for Goodwill
£1 for SFA Membership
£1 for SPL Share
£1 for Leasehold Interests
£1 for Stock
£5 for Subsidiary Companies Share Capital
£2,749,990 for Player Contracts & Registrations
£1,500,000 for Heritable Properties
£1,250,000 for Plant & Machinery

So is that proof coming from D&P they sold Ibrox & Murray Park for £1.5m??????
11-07-2012, 02:06 PM
down-the-slope

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Originally Posted by StevieC

Got the invoices printed, just getting the kids to lick the envelopes .. school holidays have their uses. :wink:

Almost every newspaper article has been fantasy, but someone is feeding them with these stories and the fact that no SFA/SPL representatives ever come out to deny them kinda leaves you guessing where the info originated. Every step of the way, and with each door closing on the Rangers saga, the newspapers are fed stories that are clearly trying to sway those involved towards picking the best solution for Rangers.

This whole mess could have been finished the day that the CVA was rejected, by following the rules and placing Sevco into Division 3. By dragging this out the SFA/SPL have only increased the chances of there being no Rangers in any division!

My kids are at camp...having to make my own coffee!

Bit in bold - oh how I wish i could beleive that...infact I am realising that i'm missing the daily club saviour speeches...followed by the walking away...must be about Charlie time
11-07-2012, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by StevieC

Got the invoices printed, just getting the kids to lick the envelopes .. school holidays have their uses. :wink:

Almost every newspaper article has been fantasy, but someone is feeding them with these stories and the fact that no SFA/SPL representatives ever come out to deny them kinda leaves you guessing where the info originated. Every step of the way, and with each door closing on the Rangers saga, the newspapers are fed stories that are clearly trying to sway those involved towards picking the best solution for Rangers.

This whole mess could have been finished the day that the CVA was rejected, by following the rules and placing Sevco into Division 3. By dragging this out the SFA/SPL have only increased the chances of there being no Rangers in any division!

If the SFA or SPL make a formal denial of this sort of tripe, it just gives the journos the opportunity for another "exclusive".

IU don't know that even the lawyers fully understand what's been going on for the last six months.

And the 'leak' doesn't necessarily have to be from the SFA or SPL. The SFL's full of people who may be involved in running one of the SFL clubs, but whose first allegiance is to Rangers.

Trust me - I know. I live three miles from Airdrie's ground, and eight miles from Motherwell's. People may go to Fir Park or New Broomfield on the Saturdays, but when Sunday comes and the Huns are on Sky or ESPN, a lot of them are in front of the TV in their Rangers shirts.

You'll find the same attitudes among the guys who run the SFL teams. Or even among former office-bearers in the SFA .... :devil:

There is a HUGE amount of disinformation going on, and the press are just stoking it up to sell their grotty chip-wrappers.
11-07-2012, 02:14 PM
hibs0666

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Originally Posted by Brando7

£1 for Goodwill
£1 for SFA Membership
£1 for SPL Share
£1 for Leasehold Interests
£1 for Stock
£5 for Subsidiary Companies Share Capital
£2,749,990 for Player Contracts & Registrations
£1,500,000 for Heritable Properties
£1,250,000 for Plant & Machinery

So is that proof coming from D&P they sold Ibrox & Murray Park for £1.5m??????

Yup. If this is typical of what administrators deliver for their money then it is a very shoddy profession indeed.
11-07-2012, 02:29 PM
Onion

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

This is the SFL, though. If sufficient clubs are voting against Resolution 2, in the belief that thay are voting against D1 entry, and the SFL Board ignore that... then I am confident that the Clubs will vote the Board out. As for what Longmuir/Regan are reported to have said, that is clearly wrong. They know that, and the Clubs know that.

Now... shhhh on this. We clearly disagree.... do you want yer accounts done or no? :greengrin

Agree with this. If the SFL chairman do not approve R2 then the SFL Board have no mandate to negotiate terms with the SPL and SFA, or to place Newco in Div 1.
11-07-2012, 03:01 PM
Caversham Green

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

That's gonna bite them on the bum.:agree:

:agree: Apart from anything else, they valued it at £4.6m for a straight liquidation - not as current use value.
11-07-2012, 03:13 PM
neilmartinrocks

Just an idea but with all this bribery, blackmail and bull**** going on from sevco and their chums why don't the S.F.L. chairmen say "ok we will vote you into Div 1 but we want 30-40% of your annual turnover for 3 years". I mean if money is all that matters why not?

:greengrin:greengrin
11-07-2012, 04:09 PM
Golden Bear

Over £2 million has now been accumulated in administration fees since this fiasco broke.

No wonder its such a long drawn out process. Duff and Phelps must be laughing all the way to the bank.
11-07-2012, 05:33 PM
NAE NOOKIE

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Originally Posted by R'Albin

Does anyone actually know if the television deal relies on Rangers being in the league? They're presenting it as a matter of fact that the TV deal will collapse if Rangers aren't in division 1. Well that's how I see it anyway.

Besides, I would hardly describe 80m or whatever it is over 5 years 'lucrative' in the current climate.

80,000,000 .................. Lucrative

0 ................................ Not Lucrative

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