You must have missed Jackie Baillie's q on Hospice's, she offered a solution which was to provide the exta funding the sector has repeatedly requested.Quote:
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You must have missed Jackie Baillie's q on Hospice's, she offered a solution which was to provide the exta funding the sector has repeatedly requested.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
Did she say what she would cut?Quote:
Originally Posted by Santa Cruz
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The empty vessels Yousaf should be concerning himself with are the ferries which are sitting either unfinished (years after their 'launch' with painted-on windows) or out of use.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Lame duck FM is a decent enough sound bite as it's accurate. He's been left trying to claw his way out of a bomb crater by his predecessors.
And she will also have said where these additional funds should come from? Labour are great at that, spend more money!!! But are happy to forget that Scotland unlike Westminster cannot borrow money. So usually its all about transferring money from one place to another, so someone loses while others win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santa Cruz
That's not her job to allocate funds. In the leadership contest did KF say what she was going to cut in order to finally pay social carer's £15p/h, when previously they didn't have enough funding when she was Finance Sec?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
So she didn't offer a solution then, she just said spend more money. I want Hibs to win the league so they should spend more money on players. Nae idea where that money should come from but just spend more money. And don't forget Hibs in this scenario can't borrow any money!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Santa Cruz
Actually in the Scottish Parliament if you have a budget proposal you have to say where you would cut.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santa Cruz
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What did KF propose to cut? She was announcing a new policy on a ticket to get elected to head the SG.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
In saying all that, this clip of Fergus Ewing putting the boot into the Greens did catch my eye:Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
https://twitter.com/HolyroodDaily/status/1649014056089448450?s=20
I don't think the limited time the opposition get to ask q's is the right place to help identify solutions imo. Is that not what the cross party parliamentary commitees are meant to do?Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
Thomson was suspended 7 years ago, and theres some ambiguity around whether she withdrew or was forcibly suspended.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
As I say, as a former member and someone who is currently "in the huff", I'm hanging fire until investigations are completed.
Ferries? Still?Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
So basically another soundbite from Baillie? She is a total ambulance chaser. Wherever there is a sick kid or a delayed operation she is there and isn't afraid to give out children's names etc in public either. I have no time for her whatsoever. Complete chancer who was all over congratulating the Glagow council women when they won their case, completely ignoring what Labour had done to them over the years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santa Cruz
There are politicians from all parties, not so many Tories mind, that I like but she is definitely not on the list
I doubt the parent of any sick child she is speaking on behalf of would share your opinion, suspect she would also need their consent to name them publicly. I think Labour have acknowledged how badly they handled the Glasgow council pay saga, it was a disgrace, they're not denying they got it wrong. I couldn't disagree more, think all parties have some good politicians, she's a stand out in how well prepared she is with detail during debates. Next to NS I would have said she's easily the best politician in Scotland.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
George Galloway wants to buy Nicola Sturgeon's Motorhome, if the police are putting it up for auction, to take it round Scotland in an Anti-SNP roadshow.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
At last! Some good news for pro-indy folk.Quote:
Originally Posted by 147lothian
Property of the SNP so won’t be sold by the Police 😀 but it’s not a motorhome it’s a battlebus :faf::faf:Quote:
Originally Posted by 147lothian
They should be giving their members in the island communities a free week's hol in that on the mainland, to give them some respite from fretting about essential travel woes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
Yep, still not completed. Six years behind schedule and counting...as well as quadrupling in price.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
It's because folk have actively followed this story. You've not, but have somehow decided it's a smear campaign!Quote:
Originally Posted by SickBoy32
Have a read through the thread and some of the articles that have been posted. It's pretty hard to think anything other than this is a mess the SNP created all by themselves.
What are they guilty of?Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
Just back from walking my dog and bumped into a guy I know, I am unsure if he is an SNP member but he does wear a lot of SNP badges, he assures me that this is all an MI5 campaign to damage Sturgeon and Murrell, the SNP have millions in the bank and the motorhome/battlebus was planted on Murrell’s mums drive. The really sad thing is he genuinely believes it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65339736
Yousaf confirms Murrell loan still to be paid off.
Police tried to stop man filming SNP motorhome - BBC NewsQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Bit bizarre.
Lumbering us with Yousaf as FM ? :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
Not sure they are allowed to do that, unless it's obstructing them from doing their job.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
I also noticed the polis that were taking the teabags and cheesy pasta evidence yesterday weren't wearing warrant numbers, fairly sure uniformed police have to display those. Attachment 26673
'Wine bar revolutionary' falls back on the old 'blame Westminster' card to deflect from her own ineptitude:
Lorna Slater announces overhaul of bottle return scheme - BBC News
SNP MSP Fergus Ewing calls Greens 'wine bar revolutionaries' - BBC News
Reckless endangerment of a health service?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
If they ask for all their crimes to be taken into account, it will be looked upon favourably by the court :greengrin
And yet still the best NHS in the UK. [emoji106]Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
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Interesting. One of your fellow travellers bigged up some recently-published hospital rankings last night but it turns out that the best hospital in Scotland is only the 26th best in the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
That's not a cause for celebration or one-upmanship, it just makes your oft-repeated proclamations on this matter seem rather hollow.
I didn’t though because I read the article. It doesn’t really rate health services.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
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That's not how you measure performance across the board.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Didn't what?
Anyway, d you know what the rankings do measure? Do you know the measures used for health services as a whole?
I didn’t share it or big it up. It didn’t look that impressive and I’m not sure why STV made a big deal of it. It did appear to show that London, Oxford and Cambridge get a lot of research funding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
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Not sure if that was an intended pun, but if so, very droll :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
How do you measure performance across the board then?
It doesn't only look at research though as was insinuated. ERI has more research funding than most on the list above it. The bioquarter is fantastic though and if it was just based on research we'd be above most, it's going to massively increase too although brexit isn't helpingQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
No, you didn't, I see now!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
In fairnesst there were well over a dozen other English hospitals in there too, research funding isn't a guarantee of good patient outcomes and even if it were, Scottish hospitals, especially Glasgow QE see a fair bit of investment.
You must have an acute eye though - I didn't see the figures to support the assertion that all those London hospitals got a lot of research funding!
https://twitter.com/agc_reports/stat...dxJXScFNwz8V4A
Humza standing up for our parliament today. Silence from elsewhere.
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Probably because it's pretty p**h by and large.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
In saying that the Scottish Tories were not silent about Frost's views:
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/outrage-scots-tories-after-peer-29759744
There is still a lot of whatboutery on here.
I am pretty sure that Yousaf, Russell and Robison have all in recent days admitted there are problems with governance and transparency within the snp. Whether or not there are criminal charges, this is surely not a position to be proud of.
I get that the tories are worse, but if you are going to take the moral high ground, you need to be whiter than white.
:faf:Quote:
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Originally Posted by grunt
That's the rule, is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
Well you can be just as bad but it’s not a great look to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
That's it? Two options? Whiter than white or just as bad?Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
WhatabouteryQuote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Yousaf is a genius compared to what else is on offer from the other parties.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
And you want these people running the countryQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
Robin Mcalpines blog is worth a read.
Why are these comparisons ok to make?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
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What about the statistical high ground?Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
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Statistically more people in high office arrested ?Quote:
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That’s the UK for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
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Eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
You were the one making the comparisons!! :faf:Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
I was just pointing out that your comparisons were naive in the extreme.
Grimm for Humza as expected probably
@YouGov
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Our first Holyrood voting intention poll since Humza Yousaf became FM shows the SNP regional vote is the lowest since the 2014 indy referendum, and the constituency vote is the joint-lowest
Labour's constituency vote is the highest since the referendum
@YouGov
Latest Holyrood voting intention (17-20 Apr)
Constituency
SNP 38% (-5 since 9-13 Mar)
Lab 30% (+4)
Con 16% (+1)
Lib Dem 10% (+2)
Regional
SNP 30% (-5)
Lab 26% (+1)
Con 17% (+1)
Green: 12% (+1)
Lib Dem 9% (+1)
Do you think Humza Yousaf is doing well or badly as First Minister?
All Scots
Well: 19%
Badly: 44%
Don't know: 36%
2019 SNP voters
Well: 32%
Badly: 28%
Don't know: 40%
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...rood-vote-lows
If you read back, I didn't make the comparison, it was another poster. I merely responded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
I don't particularly value the rankings reported by STV (it is a long abd frankly dull story) but I thought it was quite funny given Ozy's oft-repeated proclamations :greengrin
:faf: that the best today …Yousaf has been a disaster at every ministerial post he has held. He is an absolute 🤡🤡Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
Humza approval rating almost as bad as Sunak’s. So much for the new leader bounce you usually get. The next first minister won't be Ross or Sarwar it'll be a new SNP leader this year
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b...ec26714688fdf6
Humza Yousaf approval poll: incompetent and weak, say voters
Is that what it boils down to for you, the morals of the politicians? And you see the SNP arrest rate against other parties as the measure of that. Its a naive take especially if you are looking for/insisting on "whiter than white".Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
It's interesting the leeway you are allowing our UK Govt though. Nicely revealing.
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Scottish unionists will forgive almost any transgression so long as it’s done in London. It’s a code they live by. It’s why you never see them on the Tory thread.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
After all this, we’re going end up with an SNP/Green coalition. [emoji102]
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'it's a code they live by'? Who knew?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
You may joke but Ozy's right. Take the latest from Frosts comments on rolling back devolution or the implications on Scotland regards the internal market bill, S35 just thrown into the mix just because they can, IIRC an estimated £58bn total loss to fraud during Covid, Mones properties being raided because of 10's of £millions of suspect PPE deals with next to no BBC coverage and certainly no CSI tents, Rishi Sunaks £11bn a year interest payments only because he never put insurance in place, Liz Trusses interest rate hike, Johnsons golden wallpaper, Tories taking Russian money, 30p Lee nuff said, Dominic Raaaaaaabs bullying, Starmers flip floppery on basically everything he promised in his leadership campaign and the impending theft of Scottish renewables and fossil fuels to prop up a failing union, NI's "best of both worlds" deal, don't even get me started on Brexit. But hey ho that *** campervan. Better Together :aok: Genuinely I don't understand why anyone supports the Union.Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
Back on subject, "SNP are lying b******"
That is not true. The post it replies to is full of assumptions. Assumptions that are in my case also untrue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
This won't be the end of the slide. No one is saying another party will become bigger but it can't be seen as anything but a disaster. These are just polls but your close to a minority government which was unthinkable the last decade. The polling for UK government is more relevant as its closer and I'd also be stunned if Yousaf was in charge for the next Holyrood election.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
As I've said before the SNP in my eyes are mainly judged on independence and it's probably not been further away in decades, it's disheartening
Fingers crossed Yousaf will cling on beyond this year but I fear it could be a Truss-style ousting from within as those abysmal ratings will spook the SNP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Humza Yousaf has become Sturgeon’s fall guy – he needs to cut himself loose | Dani Garavelli | The Guardian
There's a lot to agree with in that article, but for someone who based his whole campaign around being the Sturgeon continuity candidate 'cutting himself loose' isn't really feasible.
Because there's a great deal more to the union than just politics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy Bee
Ferries though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy Bee
Best post I’ve read on here in a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy Bee
It's being ground down by those treating it as a cash cow though.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
https://twitter.com/carolvorders/sta...50BVtN39A&s=19
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Apparently the collective noun for a group of squirrels is a scurry, which seems fitting in this context.
Fully expecting SNP conference this year to open to the strains of 'Hopelessly Devoted to You'...
Such as?Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Nah, I used to post regularly on there, as did others, but it got too tiresome due to certain posters replies, and other posters got mutually consented!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I figured it was best to leave it to the folk that hate Tories, which is why I don't post on there anymore.
:aok:Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy Bee
You support the Tories, but not enough to stand up for them on a thread that documents their multiple lies and corruption?Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
Feelings.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
We won the war.
The Monarchy - the German one that spent £12 million covering up the perverted activities of one of its offspring who resides in a multi-million pound house.
Enjoying the process of imposing economic sanctions on ourselves.
Sovereignty.
Our history of murder, enslavement and empire.
All totally valid reasons to feel British and like it.
Right? My point was that Ozy appears to believe that those who are critical of the Scottish Government live by a 'code'. Apparently this code of silence means we can't criticise the UK Government. So when someone who isn't in the UK government opines and we don't comment are we still following the code? Might it be that Ozy needs the comfort of confecting a conspiracy to deflect from the issues the Scottish Government is facing at the moment?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy Bee
Sixth largest economy in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
High degree of integration including energy infrastructure.
Led the world on the abolition of slavery.
NHS.
Significant levels of internal devolution.
The British Empire was nothing to be proud of ( and Scottish people were active paticipants), but some more enlightened approaches to decolonisation, compared to other European nations.
High degree of multiculturism, particularly in larger cities in England.
I don't feel particularly proud to be British or Scottish. But I'm happy being both I appreciate you need to frame it as being proud to be British or proud to be Scottish. For you it can't be both.
No one is under any obligation to reply to anyone here.Quote:
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Well I’m convinced now.[emoji106][emoji23]Quote:
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True.Quote:
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Much of which (as you surely know only too well) Scotland played a wholehearted part in, particularly enslavement and empire. We were as guilty as the likes of Spain, France, Portugal, the Dutch and other European nations who don't seem to put self-loathing ahead of accepting the sins of their past and trying to move on from them. I can't see how that has any bearing on independence. I'm unclear also why defeating Hitler should be seen as a blight upon the union.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
We've been through this numerous times on here but suffice to say there's far more to our shared history as a union than only the bad stuff. From science, medicine and engineering to the arts, music and sport, each of the nations which make up the union have contributed richly to the greater whole. I reckon Scotland has, in fact, punched above its weight here. The geographical diversity of the UK is another wonderful thing and is close to my heart having spent much of my life working and travelling all over the nation. Culturally it's also a really diverse and dynamic melting pot and I think the Scottish nationalists' separatist mindset is an unhealthy, narrow one which ignores the fact that as a nation, politics aside, there is much more that unites us than divides us.
Comments belowI feel ashamed to be British after the last seven years of Tory leadership.Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
Surely not? :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
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Bravo. But also:
Take the 15 years of sabotaging Scottish local government with council tax freezes, funding cuts and imposing unfunded new burdens or the implications for the Scottish economy regards the unfit for purpose Deposit Return Scheme Bill, S35 thrown into the mix just because they can by deliberately framing legislation to be beyond the competence of the parliament to provoke division with Westminster, an estimated £17bn diverted away from NHS spending, Sturgeon's home being raided as part of a probe into SNP finances with next to no BBC challenge of her, her government or her party in the preceding years and certainly no explanation of why a CSI tent was needed to spare her blushes, SNP wasting £3 billion on mismanaged projects and bad policy only because policy isn't a focus but independence was, the £180 million business rate hike compared to England and the millions extra in VAT payments from Scotland's police and fire emergency services due to SNP decisions on mergers, SNP ministers using govt cars to jaunt between their first and second homes, Salmond taking Russia Today money, £25,000 Natalie McGarry nuff said, Scottish National party ministers focus of a “quite remarkable” number of misconduct and bullying complaints compared with those in other parts of the UK according to civil service union leader at inquiry, Yousaf's flip floppery and making it up as he goes along on basically everything he's asked about, the underselling by the SNP Government of Scottish wind assets to the tune of £16 billion in 2022 which could have helped to prop-up a failing Scottish economy, the Scottish Government's dodgy 'best of all worlds' rigged ferries deal that hasn't yet produced a single ferry and the Turkish one they awarded for £220 million of work that Scottish firms will get nothing from, don't even get me started on Scexit. But hey ho, ignore the campervan 'bought to go campaigning' that can only legally hold two people in transit, hasn't ever been used and would have been vastly cheaper to rent one for the six weeks of a campaign - nothing to see here. Stronger for Scotland. Genuinely I don't understand why anyone supports the SNP.
Am I doing this right?
Back on subject, oh I already was.
I'm not sure that's fair. I find it quite hard to believe that even the most spectacular clown in Scottish politics would come out with "I'm always surprised when one of my colleagues is arrested" as a pre-conceived sound bite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
Thank you for your usual wonderful addition to this thread. 🥱🥱🥱Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
I think you might want to counter with facts?Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
It's not that it can't be both, it's that I see no valid reasoning for it to be both. If you'd asked me ten or fifteen years ago I would probably have said there were positives to being part of the union and I would have said the NHS, EU Membership and the UK's unique position within the EU, strong currency, our approach to migration and integration of economic migrants, our globalist outlook and general position globally as a well respected country, our prices are fair and life is liveable.Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
Now? Our deputy prime-minister has resigned because hes a bully. Thats where we are.
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Originally Posted by One Day Soon
I actually agree with a lot of what you say here, obviously not all of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Half a century ago I think I’d have been an avowed unionist and I’m not sure the argument for independence was all that strong.
Possibly since Thatcher thought I’ve just seen 2 countries going in different directions. The benefits that were once there for both parties have diminished. A lot of the union benefits feel like ancient history to me and the direction of travel doesn’t appear to favour the union and it would appear that “the youth of today” think likewise.
Never in a month of Sunday's did I ever think I'd see the abolition of slavery used as a benefit of the union, in the present day.Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
Clutching much. 😆
I didn't bring up slavery, but it's interesting that you can't bring yourself to acknowledge the role that Britain played. As for decolonisation, do you prefer the French, Belgian or Dutch approach? And note, the bullying DPM has resigned. He would have been sacked if he hadn't. Actions have consequences. Isn't that a good thing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
I didn't bring it up. It was a critique of the Union.Quote:
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It's in your post mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
In response to an earlier post.Quote:
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Led the world. 😆
I think I did.Quote:
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Theres not much I disagree with you about there. But you feel one way, I do not. I think there is now more that divides us than unites us and I think we've gone beyond the point of return. I don't see the Labour party bringing us together, Keir Starmer is useless and I've seen wet fish with more charisma.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
The SNP are not perfect, far from it, and I think they've been guilty of several major misdemeanors in recent times. Sturgeon led the country through Covid as well as I think she could have done under the circumstances, especially compared to the incompetence of the Westminster government. I think overall they've done well for Scots, as is their prerogative, but they need some major overhauling and will have a lot of work to do to gain back the ground they've lost.