It might well have repercussions beyond our border, but isn't that the case with every devolved issue? Sounds like the old anti-devo Labour is getting the band back together.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
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It might well have repercussions beyond our border, but isn't that the case with every devolved issue? Sounds like the old anti-devo Labour is getting the band back together.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
This could be said about so much of his attitude to Scotland.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
I presume he'll be slapping down Mark Drakeford, given his support for similar reforms in Wales.
Aren't the consequences of most devolved decisions (eg in education or healthcare) Scotland's alone to own? Rare, I think, for law passed by a devolved legislature to impact on UK-wide law (in this case the Equality Act).Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
I would say no, the Scottish Parliament cannot pass legislation that impacts UK wide legislation. We saw that with the UN Children's Rights Bill and of course the Referendum Bill. The Scottish Parliament is free to make law that impacts Scotland but not UK legislation. If that was the case the Scottish Parliament could do whatever it wanted and make whatever laws it wanted without due regard to the UK, which would make no sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
Smoking ban, smacking ban, baby box, new benefits etc are all for Scotland only.
I don't think it's unreasonable for the UK Government based on legal advice to say make some amendments to the Bill to make it work for Scotland and the UK.
[QUOTE=James310;7233680]I would say no, the Scottish Parliament cannot pass legislation that impacts UK wide legislation. We saw that with the UN Children's Rights Bill and of course the Referendum Bill. The Scottish Parliament is free to make law that impacts Scotland but not UK legislation. If that was the case the Scottish Parliament could do whatever it wanted and make whatever laws it wanted without due regard to the UK, which would make no sense.
Smoking ban, smacking ban, baby box, new benefits etc are all for Scotland only.
I don't think it's unreasonable for the UK Government based on legal advice to say make some amendments to the Bill to make it work for Scotland and
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Does Ireland issue British Passports and documents like that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Happy to take that burden away from them if they like.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
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Ireland is not on the list anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...nd-territories
They're not genetically programmed to do things like that.Quote:
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[QUOTE=Ozyhibby;7233691]The UK Gov accepted the drink drive limits in Scotland which are lower than England, Wales and NI.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
This whole UK thing is a ruse.
Cross the border at your peril.
[QUOTE=ronaldo7;7233856]So when Scotland changed the law on the limit did it also impact the existing UK laws? No, it never. It only impacts people in Scotland who are driving in Scotland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
It's not just about accepting a GRC it's about the impact on Equality Legislation.
[QUOTE=James310;7233860]It's about accepting the law of the country you are in and who's presenting to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
Some don't want to of course, but I suppose we'll have to see what they come up with in the equality legislation to make their case.
Any idea why Idaho, and Texas are not on the same UK list as California?
I've got a UK driving licence, not a Scottish one.
Maybe a daft question, what's the impact on the other UK nations?
Is it that someone recognised as having changed gender (using the new Scottish criteria) then has to be recognised as that gender when it comes to reserved areas (passport issue for instance)?
[QUOTE=ronaldo7;7233867]Exactly, so you accept the UK law when you are erm part of the UK. This is strongly opposed by the public in Scotland, it's not unreasonable for the UK Government to ask to open dialogue with the Scottish Government on the back of legal advice.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
Normally if the UK Government ignored legal advice you and fellow Yes voters would be outraged, imagine if the Supreme Court has said a referendum had be held legally in Scotland and the UK Government just ignored that legal advice and did nothing.
No idea on your last point.
[QUOTE=James310;7233875]Edited my last post.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
I've got a UK driving licence but have different laws within the UK on how I can drink and drive.
[QUOTE=ronaldo7;7233883]Who issued your Driving license? What equality laws are related to you driving?Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
[QUOTE=James310;7233890]Why should someone in England be allowed to drink more before driving. It's not equal is it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
Surely the UK Gov should have intervened when the Scottish Parliament changed the rights of UK citizens from 80 to 50, or maybe they just know that people presenting with a GRC should be accepted
[QUOTE=ronaldo7;7233904]As I said the drink driving limit was changed in Scotland to impact only people driving in Scotland and I don't think it's comparable to compare it to something as fundamental as the GRA. Some things are devolved and some things aren't, Equality Legislation isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
As I say you would be outraged if the UK Gov ignored legal advice on lots of other matters but you are actively encouraging them to ignore this legal advice. It's not a very consistent position.
It's not about the other nations as such.Quote:
Originally Posted by danhibees1875
It's about the alleged clash between the GRRA and the UK EA, which might have implications for those living in Scotland.
I say "alleged", because I have yet to see, in layman's terms, any actual explanation of what that clash might be, particularly in light of the clause in the GRRA which gives the EA primacy.
[QUOTE=James310;7233911]Last para.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
You're doing it again. Thinking you know what my position is on a subject. That crystal ball of yours is wonky again.
Gonnae no dae that.
[QUOTE=James310;7233875]Strongly opposed in Scotland? Pretty sure I heard John Curtice on the radio last week saying the issue has had no cut through at all with the wider public? In fact he went as far as to say that it was a big political gamble for the unionist to use a s35 order for an issue that doesn’t move many votes either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
So I would tend to agree with him that there is neither strong opposition or support.
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[QUOTE=James310;7233875]I think you are overplaying the "strongly opposed by the public in Scotland". I genuinely have had one conversation about this with one other person while this has been going on. It was actually a really good discussion about it and we both agreed that we dont know enough about the subject and we could see pros and cons on both sides of the debate. It's just not an issue that is discussed day to day by folk in my experienceQuote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
Thanks CWG. :aok:Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
[QUOTE=ronaldo7;7233904]The issue would be if the Scottish Government tried to change the drink driving limit in England and Wales.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
[QUOTE=archie;7233991]Yes, which they never they only changed it in Scotland. It's not comparable to GRA.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
I see quoting has gone all wonky again!
The Scottish Government has only introduced the GRC change in Scotland, it doesn't affect the other nations of the UK. The Westminster government are once again trying to interfere in matters affecting Scotland.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
So you are a lawyer now and know for a fact it doesn't impact UK Equality Legislation? How did you come to this conclusion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
If you want to use a car analogy, a better one would be the Scottish govt changed the mot test but the result had to be accepted in E&W.Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
I love the indignation about equality whilst denying equality for a very small minority of the population.Quote:
Originally Posted by James310
Let's have equality, but only one kind of equality!!
Not sure you answered that question, so what made you come to the conclusion it doesn't impact UK law?Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns