Brexit - What Now.

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Originally Posted by G B Young

Would such a compromise make any difference when it comes to getting a deal through parliament though? You'd imagine the remainers would still vote down any deal the PM presents them no matter how many boxes it might tick - and there aren't enough Conservative MPs left to make up the numbers to get it through.

Mind you, it would be a boost to Johnson's election chances if he gets the DUP onside, presents a deal and sees it voted down. Further proof that parliament was set against the people's will from the start. Plenty of wailing about how awful no deal would be, yet determined to vote down any deal they're presented with.

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Didn't the erg vote down the previous deals too?

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Swinson’s plan starting to work. Luckily Corbyn’s is a more long term plan.


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

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Swinson’s plan starting to work. Luckily Corbyn’s is a more long term plan.


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Although these numbers look good for the Tories with the 46% leave relatively concentrated and the 48% remain (would actually be over 50% once SNP/Plaid added) split wide open, the electoral map may come to the rescue.

Seemingly of the Lib's top 50 targets, 40+ are Tory held and only 7 Labour. If people are smart (yeah, yeah, I know) and vote Lib in the Lib/Tory and Lab in the Lab/Tory marginals, then there should be another hung parliament. It's going to be a ****** nailbiter though whereas a moderate Labour would be absolutely romping it (imo).

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

Although these numbers look good for the Tories with the 46% leave relatively concentrated and the 48% remain (would actually be over 50% once SNP/Plaid added) split wide open, the electoral map may come to the rescue.

Seemingly of the Lib's top 50 targets, 40+ are Tory held and only 7 Labour. If people are smart (yeah, yeah, I know) and vote Lib in the Lib/Tory and Lab in the Lab/Tory marginals, then there should be another hung parliament. It's going to be a ****** nailbiter though whereas a moderate Labour would be absolutely romping it (imo).

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If Labour and the LDs got over themselves and committed to getting the Tories out with a pact to not stand in Tory/LD and Tory/Lab marginals, we'd be heading for at the very least a second referendum. But as we all know, Swinson would rather have a pact with Johnson and Corbyn won't compromise with anyone.

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Originally Posted by G B Young

Bearing in mind Corbyn's shifting sands stance on Europe down the years is he ever really going to provide voters with a coherent policy on Brexit that they can get behind? The Labour Party conference is already shaping up to be another Brexit bun-fight:

https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...-brexit-stance

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The Tory stance on the EU was ripping and continues to rip them apart and now because they can't get their act together they're ripping apart the country.

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Originally Posted by Diclonius

If Labour and the LDs got over themselves and committed to getting the Tories out with a pact to not stand in Tory/LD and Tory/Lab marginals, we'd be heading for at the very least a second referendum. But as we all know, Swinson would rather have a pact with Johnson and Corbyn won't compromise with anyone.

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:agree:

It's like Northern Ireland peace in the 70s and 80s. Everybody wanted it, but not enough to actually make the compromises to bring it about.

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Originally Posted by Diclonius

If Labour and the LDs got over themselves and committed to getting the Tories out with a pact to not stand in Tory/LD and Tory/Lab marginals, we'd be heading for at the very least a second referendum. But as we all know, Swinson would rather have a pact with Johnson and Corbyn won't compromise with anyone.

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You're most probably right, but blaming anyone just now is a bit previous, if I may.

If any serious political party started offering pacts with their opponents before an election had even been called, and on this occasion, before we know what the Brexit situation will look like, they'd be off their heads.

I also think it's highly unlikely that Corbyn would ever do a deal with any other party so people can level the same charge at him. Edit: I see you have.

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Originally Posted by Diclonius

If Labour and the LDs got over themselves and committed to getting the Tories out with a pact to not stand in Tory/LD and Tory/Lab marginals, we'd be heading for at the very least a second referendum. But as we all know, Swinson would rather have a pact with Johnson and Corbyn won't compromise with anyone.

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She specifically said she wouldn’t support Johnson or Corbyn to be prime minister because neither are up to the job.

And let’s face it, she isn’t wrong on that one..

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Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye

She specifically said she wouldn’t support Johnson or Corbyn to be prime minister because neither are up to the job.

And let’s face it, she isn’t wrong on that one..

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You can still have a non aggression pact in certain constituencies without specifically supporting Corbyn for PM.


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

You can still have a non aggression pact in certain constituencies without specifically supporting Corbyn for PM.


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Dont disagree but that’s maybe a different point. Some people on here are trying to create a narrative where Swinson is anti-Corbyn and pro-Boris, which is blatantly untrue.

As I said before, I think Ms Swinson maybe unsettles some of her opponents more than their egos will let them admit, hence the personal attacks and made-up stuff.

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Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye

Dont disagree but that’s maybe a different point. Some people on here are trying to create a narrative where Swinson is anti-Corbyn and pro-Boris, which is blatantly untrue.

As I said before, I think Ms Swinson maybe unsettles some of her opponents more than their egos will let them admit, hence the personal attacks and made-up stuff.

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Yep. Because dividing up the Labour vote even more in Scotland has SNP supporters feeling so unsettled. We're not attacking her because she's deemed an electoral threat up here, we're attacking her on her voting record which some are happy to simply ignore, or remain blissfully ignorant of.

The Lib Dems are NOT winning a majority, so every promise they tie to this condition being met ultimately counts for nothing.

Can't wait till the Brexit BS is over. Might cause some local disruptions but it's hardly going to cause a blip on the global economy.

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Originally Posted by GreenLake

Can't wait till the Brexit BS is over. Might cause some local disruptions but it's hardly going to cause a blip on the global economy.

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A no deal wil cause alot more than “local disruptions" infact, wasn't it forecast to be up to 8 times as bad as the GFC? That wasn't a walk in the park either

The obvious, sensible choice was always a Norway style soft brexit - unfortunately the tory Govt had to rule that out because of there own party divisions, which is why we had a referendum in the first place

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Originally Posted by GreenLake

Can't wait till the Brexit BS is over. Might cause some local disruptions but it's hardly going to cause a blip on the global economy.

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For local disruptions please refer to the Yellowhammer report!!!

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Originally Posted by Callum_62

A no deal wil cause alot more than “local disruptions" infact, wasn't it forecast to be up to 8 times as bad as the GFC? That wasn't a walk in the park either

The obvious, sensible choice was always a Norway style soft brexit - unfortunately the tory Govt had to rule that out because of there own party divisions, which is why we had a referendum in the first place

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The obvious sensible choice was to transport Francois and all his pals to the Isle of Wight and let them play out their Rule Britannia fantasies somewhere that wouldn't cause another civil war in Ireland. Letting them stay and play them out in Parliament has been far from sensible.

James Kirkup in the Times nails Cameron:

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Norman Tebbit once said politics is about shooting the crocodile nearest the boat. On Europe, Cameron selected a small, distant crocodile and fed it a steady diet of scraps, while promising it real meat tomorrow. Promises of a referendum on the Lisbon treaty and net immigration in the “tens of thousands” just fuelled the beast’s appetite. With each unsatisfactory meal, the beast grew bigger and hungrier. So he decided to invite it on to the boat for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Now that the boat has run aground, shipping water, Cameron begs for our understanding over his decision to steer for the rocks then abandon ship: “What choice did I have? There was a bloody great crocodile in my boat.”

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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/4...code=acsaz-307

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The lack of self respect required to make a "speech" like this is beyond my imagination..

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Originally Posted by CloudSquall

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The lack of self respect required to make a "speech" like this is beyond my imagination..

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"Please M'am"

Away wi ye man

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The lack of self respect required to make a "speech" like this is beyond my imagination..

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Boak

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Originally Posted by Callum_62

"Please M'am"

Away wi ye man

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"Your Majesty", "subjects", "Ma'am". From a grown man tae; pathetic, grovelling nonsense.

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Originally Posted by CloudSquall

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The lack of self respect required to make a "speech" like this is beyond my imagination..

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Is that a piss take or has Vine completely lost his mind?

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Originally Posted by DaveF

Is that a piss take or has Vine completely lost his mind?

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I always enjoyed his radio show and his interviews but if that was not a parody then I have just lost respect for him. That was a cinge inducing performance that wouldn't have been out of place on 1st April

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The lack of self respect required to make a "speech" like this is beyond my imagination..

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Jeremy Vine is the biggest clown the media has to offer. He’s a complete joke, his radio show is shockingly bad and his tv show is even worse. How such a clueless man has managed to do so well is testament to the nepotism that exists at the BBC and other media organisations.

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Originally Posted by lord bunberry

Jeremy Vine is the biggest clown the media has to offer. He’s a complete joke, his radio show is shockingly bad and his tv show is even worse. How such a clueless man has managed to do so well is testament to the nepotism that exists at the BBC and other media organisations.

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I always thought he was alright on Newsnight, but it seems his days as a serious journalist are now behind him.

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Originally Posted by DaveF

Is that a piss take or has Vine completely lost his mind?

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Had a check myself and he was being serious, or at least as serious as can be for someone that appears to have lost the plot.

Eyes down for the Supreme Court judgement ... :cb

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

Eyes down for the Supreme Court judgement ... :cb

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... or fudgement ...

parliament to get recalled :agree:




imo ;)

Justiciable!

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

Justiciable!

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Oof!