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Trump cut out a lot of the interrupting and shouting over Biden from 4 years ago. He just let him ramble on and trip himself up. He's still a clown but was a bit less belligerent and childlike.
Most of what he said was utter nonsense but it was utter nonsense delivered with a degree of confidence and coherence. Biden was just a mess from start to finish.
300M plus people in the USA and this is the choice they have for President.
That was a Biden backfire. Biden requested the first debate on CNN had muted mics when the other was talking. Many are saying it worked for Trump by making him seem more composed than usual and letting Biden rambleQuote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
This is what should be front and centre.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Not Biden rambling. Trumps absolute lies.
The one about killing babies post birth was absurd.
https://x.com/harryjsisson/status/18...QaJCvhCoXwjUPA
Trump definitely wins against Biden on that performance. God help us all :rolleyes:
The democrats have only themselves to blame if they don't win the presidency again, Trump is terrible and yet a clearly failing Biden is what they put up against him?
It was actually really tough to watch at points and his family and those close to him need to step in and persuade him to step away from this election.
What may save the Democrats is that in reality a President is a figure head and is not all powerful.
Biden may be a aged man with a wandering mind but he is not a criminal. That might win the day.
A slender hope. Not one we should be risking for the role of the most powerful political position in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by pollution
how did it come to these two
a man that could easily get a part as an extra in the walking dead, it's been quite sad watching him over the last few years
...and TRUMP
I think Biden has been a good president and has delivered well for the US economy as well as being a thoroughly decent man.Quote:
Originally Posted by pollution
He is also just about (along with Harris) the only person Trump can beat. It’s not worth the risk. It’s too important.
The Democrats need to step up now and fix this. They still have time before the convention.
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Given how bad it was these numbers should be encouraging for dems. They switch now and it’s recoverable.
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I honestly think that Trump will win if Biden remains the candidate.
It’s of course not a criticism of him as a person in any way whatsoever and can happen to any of us but Biden clearly has some sort of age related cognitive illness. This debate has highlighted it but there has been a number videos of him looking very confused at public events in the last few years, and I can’t help but feel like he’s maybe a bit of a puppet to others around him.
Cnn reporting not only is Biden refusing to pull out he's committed to the second debate in September
Democrats are repeating the mistakes they made with Hillary Clinton as they are providing all the reasons and excuses to not vote for their candidate. People want to feel inspired by a leader, not feel sorry for them. The Democrats had an opportunity to consign Trump to history, but arguably, Biden has been one of Trumps best weapons.
Seen someone saying some Dems thought Michelle Obama would be the only person that could pull a victory at this late stage
For a republic, Americans sure do love building political royalty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
Well, I think that 'debate' has pretty much clinched the election for Trump.
Biden in North Carolina says he'll be standing. Says he's older and might not debate well but at least he's not a Liar. Says he'll bounce back and win, I'm dubious unfortunately
No chance. Trump is only a criminal in the eyes of Democrats. He still has total support of every Republican and possibly most fence sitters. Biden is a liability and I think Trump will win convincingly.Quote:
Originally Posted by pollution
The U.S. has the highest incarceration rate of any independent democracy on earth, Trump will have a considerable amount of people who vote for him because he has a criminal record. Being a criminal and elected leader are not mutually exclusive, Hitler wrote Mein Kampf in prison.Quote:
Originally Posted by pollution
at last, off to jail with ya Bannon :applause::clapper: (1) Really American 🇺🇸 on X: "🚨BREAKING: The Supreme Court has just rejected an appeal by Steve Bannon, so the former Trump advisor must now report to prison Monday. What advice would you offer him for his first day in prison? Best one wins. 🏆 https://t.co/J0MRRj0Fb7" / X
hope yer big fat orange-faced buddy joins yi some time
does she really want to talk to her husband like he's a bloody child
Benny Johnson on X: "Jill Biden just gave the most cringe intro for Joe Biden after the debate: “Joe you did such a great job .. What did Trump do? LIE..” �� https://t.co/7Zhw6dMGBG" / X
then the vid below of him leaving the stage :(
And the eyes of the law. But that no longer seems to matter to half of the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim44
Trump is due to be installed in July. If the Democrats go for a change, they have until August. A younger candidate who can harness positivity, get the ethnic votes and the votes of women who object to having their abortion rights removed (Trump boasts this is his doing), should have a very strong chance at winning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
It never has, america is so split in two. They bring it on themselves by filling the courts with partizan choices. Both sides think everything is politically motivated, both sides trying to impeach the other. Then when the impeachments come they get thrown out the senate by the side in power. Clinton's ratings rose through his impeachment as his side thought it was a witch hunt too.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
The problem for the dems is the damage is done they can't keep going down that road or just keep saying he's lying. I know that sounds ludicrous to us but it's a presidential race not a party so you just have to beat the other man.
It's widely thought the reason they lost to George W Bush is the kept saying he's stupid on repeat the whole campaign. Voter's post election said that might be but he seems honest, patriotic and a decent guy whilst gore is wooden. They should have changed track and hit him on they things but just stuck on stupid that didn't work. Yes it was close but it shouldn't have been a loss
Would-be-dictator Trump has plans on that score.Quote:
Originally Posted by pollution
The US checks and balances should have effect but these rules didn’t anticipate a sex offender and convicted felon running for president, did they? So they’re not infallible.
Newsome is favourite to take if Biden walks which he won't. Newsome when polled against trump loses badly. He's had no time to campaign and seems like a desperate measure if he comes in. Biden should have announced at the beginning of the year it was 1 term, let there be a contest with a strong winner. This should have been an easy win especially with the abortion issue swaying women and those in citiesQuote:
Originally Posted by Colr
I honestly expected Biden to be one term and even to quit during his presidency to allow Kamala in with time to bed her presidency. But he didn’t and Kamala has been a major disappointment who has really failed to carve out a role for herself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
That leaves us where we are. It’s a total failure of the system that these two dotards are facing off. Biden’s a great politician but he really should be relaxing in the role of elder statesman. It’s a massive failure of process that the succession for both Obama and also, I suppose, Bush was not well managed.
SC rules Trump has absolute immunity for 'official acts'
No immunity for unofficial acts though.
Court split 6-3 on their ideological lines so Trumps appointees saw him through.
I'm guessing he'll claim everything he has done was official now.....
The US is a corrupt, failed democracy.
What other conclusion can you possibly come to when the Supreme Court votes totally along party lines?
Three of these people were even appointed by Trump himself.
The president is now an emperor.Quote:
Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee
So was watergate now legal?
i'm happy with a suggestion of a drone strike on Trump :greengrin "Supreme Court" - Search / X (twitter.com) stephen king is bang on :agree:
Does this mean Biden doesn’t have to accept any defeat in the election and can summon a mob to take over the capitol.
Rightyo!
4th of July on Thursday. I wonder if they realise they are now back where they started.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Better stock up on tea!
Won the Cold War and then sold their democracy to Vladimir Putin.
I remember reading, after the Roe v Wade ruling, a commentator saying that the religious right in the Supreme Court and the Republican Party had got "too much" of what they wanted and that in the long run it was liable to get them the opposite of what they wanted. And while there might not have been mass protests, it's had an effect on on the various elections at state level held since, and I think, been defeated on every state referendum that's put abortion rights on the ballot.
This decision affects everybody, and you can only hope that it mobilises the non-maga majority to get informed and to get off their backsides and vote like their democracy depends on it.
Having said that, I'm in DC and at the weekend I was at an event in Baltimore (a DC commuter city) and asked a woman I know a question about the collapsed bridge:
- Is that metal work over there part of the bridge that collapsed?
- A bridge collapsed? In Baltimore? Wow... when did that happen?
- A few months ago...
- Oh my god! Was everyone ok???
So. We'll see.
This SCOTUS ruling is shocking. We're in a very scary place right now.
The Washington Post relayed some polling data the other week. From memory the headlines were that more people canvassed thought that Biden was more "extreme" than Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by s.a.m
When the polling dug down into whether people thought individual policies were extreme (not attached to either candidate), the ones that Trump has been stating he'll enact for months were considered extreme by a large majority of people.
The upshot is that folk are just not really paying attention. Trump is openly stating that he's going to oversee a dictatorship, and the American people are largely sleepwalking into it.
Americans don’t really properly start paying attention till the autumn. Once they do I expect they will reject Trump.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stevie Reid
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Did you see the debate? No way Biden wins now after thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
The debate hasn’t moved the polls since. Biden’s base will vote for him even if he’s dead. The floating voters have not even taken an interest yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee
And debates don’t tend to move votes much anyway.
Dems should still change but if they don’t I still think Biden wins.
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A few months back, the Democrats did a poll of 'gettable' voters in some of the swing states. They excluded people from the sample who had voted for Trump or were likely to, and tried to find out what they knew about some of his more extreme statements. And basically, most of them hadn't heard or read any of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stevie Reid
It's known that one of the most important factors in voters' choice is where they get their news and information, with Trump voters likely to be getting their info /disinfo from social media or the more extreme cable outlets, where the extreme right and conspiracy theories have a strong foothold, rather than newspaper journalism or news programmes. In the more fragmented media landscape we have now, it's going to be really important for the Democrats (and the non-right in the UK and elsewhere) to learn how to use it and to take information to where people are at now.
Maybe not beyond the bonds of possibility. Dead people have been elected in the US - not as President, so far, but it's happened a number of times for other roles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Just had 2 Trump fans in the taxi going back to their boat at Sth Queensferry, they think it's Biden and the Democrats that are corrupt and not Trump etc, couldn't make it up the love they have for this orange eejit.
It truly is staggering how effectively the GOP and their acolytes in the media have changed the narrative, through lies and baseless investigations. It's worked right across the board.Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
I saw some talking heads of the Trump persuasion a few months back being asked about US support for Ukraine - these people didn't come across as the typical empty-headed cranks that get ridiculed on the likes of the Daily Show on a regular basis. Regardless, their argument was that Putin had every right to kill Ukrainians as he was just taking back what was "his" anyway. Another said Putin was saving the Ukrainian people from the corrupt Zelenskyy and the "elites" that had taken over Ukraine.
Language has truly lost all meaning with them.
Should've seen their faces when I suggested giving Texas, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona etc back to Mexico instead of building a wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stevie Reid
:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by J-C
Personally feel they are 50% correct. Both sides are corrupt over there, although i fear our main 2 parties are only marginally better.Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
There is no equivalence between Trump and Biden thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Paul1642
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Originally Posted by J-C
California as well
Biden has a history of being the Mob's man in Baltimore.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
Even so 😄Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Takes a lot of money. The Russians spand millions promoting far right and a few far left entities world wide. Whatever causes friction, divides. The main themes they put are emotionally driven lies, so that's a lot to combat and undermines any message.Quote:
Originally Posted by s.a.m
Russian influence is reported in the UK but has barely gained any traction. The incidents and narratives of what has happened since Blair offered the Oiligarchs a home in the UK (and a home in a UK offshore dependency for their cash) to when the Reform supporting Facebook pages were taken down last week is still an untold story for the public, but it's all part of the same story.
Labour need to bring it to the fore. Doesn't have to be big headlines. Do something like audit MI5/6, don't just publish the Russia report but recommence it with a broader remit - remember they were tasked NOT to look for evidence which is fishy as.
To back the idea up that there is undoubtedly Russian interference, Boris Johnson, husband of "The Conservative Friends of Russia" founder Carrie Symonds, said with his mouth that wasn't any, not a sausage. Which means there must have been.
Labour won't be surrounded by friends when they arrive in power. They have to plant their feet a bit.
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Johnstons behaviour when foreign secretary was bizarreQuote:
Originally Posted by Kato
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Originally Posted by Kato
"Russian influence is reported in the UK but has barely gained any traction."
Seriously? They payrolled Brexit and helped fund the crooks that have been governing the UK for over a decade.
I'm talking about the actual reporting of what has happened. The traction it has in the culture is what needs the media's attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
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https://x.com/skynews/status/1808525...dxJXScFNwz8V4A
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I don’t bet at all these days but still keep an eye on the odds of various things out of interest.
Joe Biden is up at 7/1 to win the US election which seems crazy seeing as he’s still stating the intention to stand.
Kamal Harris only 4/1 for someone not current standing and Trump very low odds.
I think Biden will stand down before the end of the month and Harris will be President.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul1642
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Another completely incoherent speech from him for the 4th of July and BBC reporting that democrat donors are threatening to pull funding. Can’t see him lasting much longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Surely the answer is for Biden to step down both from the election race and maybe even as president citing I'll health brought on by the stress of the additional workload the election is adding to his already stressful job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul1642
Let Harris step up in his place both as nominee and acting president.
Harris should be the ideal candidate and I thought he would have passed the baton to her mid term already. She’s been pretty anonymous though. I eonder why.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Alf
It’s pretty normal though. The vice president doesn’t really have a role in the US unless the President dies. That’s all they are really for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colr
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LBJ was a good stand in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Or they can invoke the 25th I think it is and make the president stand down?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Or am I watching too much TV?
Has that ever happened before?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
Don’t think so but on Biden’s performances, there would be a change of success. Although they’d never do it as it would be political suicide for the GOP to exploitQuote:
Originally Posted by Colr
https://x.com/joebiden/status/180931...dxJXScFNwz8V4A
If you have to say it ……
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another 250 Epstein files were released last week, here is Katie Johnson divulging what Epstein and that beast Trump done to her, she was aged just 13 years old, �������������� on X: "This is Katie Johnson. She was 13. It’s hard to watch but she described being raped and losing her virginity to Donald Trump while crying and begging him to stop. After, he was mad that she was crying. https://t.co/VDd0y7JfQq" / X
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GR_cdXVW...g&name=900x900
Denise Wheeler ���� on X: "4 yrs ago, Anonymous leaked these documents detailing Trump underage rape settlements. The cases go way beyond those reported in the mainstream press with Epstein. It is so sickening & shows that Trump has a disturbing taste for children. https://t.co/F9JeN2lBeC" / X
**** sake slip ups like this we all do but not now when the pressure is on, it's a shame as he's 100 times the man trump ever was or will be
https://x.com/atrupar/status/1811517934751056038
Biden introduces Zelenskyy as "President Putin,"
Not long now. Will be fascinating to watch how they do the handover. Straight to Harris or a contested convention?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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Someone close needs to do some kind of intervention.Quote:
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Can’t see him surviving this,sad to see for anybody but it’s clear his marbles have gone
His wife would be best. He’ll know himself though. The donors are already making moves.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamie_1875
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an hour later he called vice-president Kamala Harris "vice-president Trump" in front of a national TV audience
Trump has been pretty quiet since the release of those epstein files but he's made a lot of name gaffes as well
Harry Sisson on X: "Here are 3 minutes straight of Donald Trump confusing people and messing up people’s names. I’m sure the Republicans won’t talk about this though! https://t.co/GORqIizdNl" / X
what a choice for the yanks :rolleyes:
He’s just getting old. Happens to everyone. Clearly a decision needs to be taken out of his hands difficult as that may beQuote:
Originally Posted by Willis1875
When you introduce Zelenskiy as "President Putin", then surely you've really lost it.
Time to stand down, Mr Biden.
Kind of think it may be better if not his wife but high ranking democratsQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Yes trump not great with names either 😄Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Yep that is the ultimate. Might have got away with it if it was a one-off, sadly not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
Ffs, that's just awful. Trump and Putin will be exchanging videos of that on WhatsApp and pissing themselvesQuote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
Geert Wilders has already commented...
https://x.com/geertwilderspvv/status...69129167777898
poor Rudi (2) CALL TO ACTIVISM on X: "A Judge just dismissed Giuliani’s bankruptcy case, clearing the way for creditors to try to seize his assets. What do you say to him? https://t.co/RLgtTCR11h" / X
that $2m Trump still owes him would come in handy
Trump has just been shot at a rally. He seems alive and OK.
https://x.com/acyn/status/1812249329...QaJCvhCoXwjUPA
https://x.com/blazesmitty/status/181...QaJCvhCoXwjUPA
https://media3.giphy.com/media/7k2Lo...eWQB/giphy.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
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Bit crass? No fan of Trump but don't want to see him murdered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Like to see the full details but if he was shot it must've been with a powerful tattie gun based on his injuryQuote:
Originally Posted by jamie_1875
I'm sure it will galvanize his side even more though
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The man tried to take the presidency using violence. I’m not going to lose a wink of sleep over him. He represents the biggest threat to peace in Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamie_1875
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My only concern is any sympathy he may garner among his supporters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
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Yes, worried this will galvanise his support. There’s already a narrative on Twitter “they tried to get him”. Crazy Dem with a gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Nuts.
Thoughts and prayers though.
J
Certainly makes him look strong next to Biden. Dems need to switch horse sharpish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
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Republican supporters interviewed post shooting aghast at political violence, totally ignore January 6th.
All the while the dude is saying he’s still anti gun control. Moron.
J
this vile man that preaches nothing but hatred, oh wow how could something like this happen cαηα∂α нαтεs тя☭мρ on X: "Nancy Pelosi’s husband, Paul Pelosi, was in ICU from a vicious hammer attack in his home. Here’s a clip of the perpetrator’s hero, Donald Trump, mocking Mr. Pelosi who was still recuperating from his injuries. **** this mother****er straight to hell #TrumpIsNotFitToBePresident https://t.co/5UXEgCu8OM" / X
2 people have died it has been confirmed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Terrible news. American democracy is in big trouble right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamie_1875
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There will be lots of dangerous rumours going about just now. Best wait on confirmation.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
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yep, no even going to peruse twitter until tomorrowQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Shooter is deadQuote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875