Coronavirus

It's all straws in the wind at this stage, but here's a more hopeful one:

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Prof. Dror Mevorach, head of the coronavirus department at Hadassah University Hospital Ein Karem, said the preliminary reports on the clinical condition of people infected with the new variant are encouraging. “If it continues this way, this might be a relatively mild illness compared to the delta variant, and paradoxically, if it takes over, it will lead to lower infection rates,” and it will be easier to deal with globally.

“It’s still early to say, but not everything that looks bad is really bad. At this point it’s important to collect information, not speculations,” he added.

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https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...ses-1.10421310

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

Thanks, that's what I was trying to say. Without the UK government bringing back furlough support then businesses won't be closed.

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And the UK government seem hell bent on that not happening.

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

It's all straws in the wind at this stage, but here's a more hopeful one:



https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...ses-1.10421310

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Cheers for sharing, sounds hopeful :agree:

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Originally Posted by ABZHFC

I don't think it would, in all honesty. There is very little evidence of large events being the primary point of transmission for this virus - again, that notion is another relic of 2020 COVID understanding, where the idea of super-spreader events was rife. The key thing would be whether people still meet indoors, and I think that if they were to try and introduce restrictions on that, governments would be in for a nasty shock at quite how low adherence to those rules would be. I almost think that it is a 0 or 100 situation now, thanks to vaccines. All restrictions short of a military-imposed lockdown are largely theatre and do little to stop the spread, and whilst things like stopping large events from going ahead may be seen as prudent or sensible, the reality is that it would do very little to halt transmission, which shouldn't even be the aim at this point of the pandemic, the aim should be to reduce hospitalisations and deaths

To sum up, governments doing things like increasing the rate of booster jabs and funding antiviral treatments = very good and will work against COVID. Governments pissing around with travel bans, mask mandates and other societal restrictions = not only bad but also won't really work against COVID

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I dunno how anyone can argue that banning large scale events can do anything other than stop the spread. Clearly small indoor meet-ups aren’t “safe”, but stopping 50k people being in close proximity clearly increases chances of spread. That’s just obvious.

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

Scottish government says the 6 cases of omicron identified in Scotland are not linked to foreign travel. In other words, it appears it is spreading within the community


It's weird how widespread it is round Europe without detection. It it's not linked to travel then its been here a few weeks minimum

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And if it's been here for weeks it's not having any impact on hospital numbers as they are actually going down.

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Originally Posted by Since90+2

And if it's been here for weeks it's not having any impact on hospital numbers as they are actually going down.

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This.

It's only another variant of a mutating virus which is normal but our MSM persist on causing mass hysteria as usual.

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Originally Posted by Coco Bryce

This.

It's only another variant of a mutating virus which is normal but our MSM persist on causing mass hysteria as usual.

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Giving our FM is holding a special briefing right now I'm not sure it's just a media hype

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It seems impossible to get the third vaccine, even for eligible workers who are frontline health or social care staff.

I've tried phoning several times and looked at outlying areas for vaxx. Nae chance.

There's simply no appointments, looks like this is being rolled out particularly effectively. Pretty damn disgraceful really, WTF is going on?

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

It seems impossible to get the third vaccine, even for eligible workers who are frontline health or social care staff.

I've tried phoning several times and looked at outlying areas for vaxx. Nae chance.

There's simply no appointments, looks like this is being rolled out particularly effectively. Pretty damn disgraceful really, WTF is going on?

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That's odd

Scotland is far and away ahead of all other UK nations on the 3rd vaccine rollout

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Originally Posted by Callum_62

That's odd

Scotland is far and away ahead of all other UK nations on the 3rd vaccine rollout

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Yes, it seems very odd and pretty pish really. I've registered for NHS Inform and been trying for a few days. Phoned the helpline twice and all the can say is that I should try areas like Penicuik and Haddington. There is an issue with this that isn't being reported on.

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

It seems impossible to get the third vaccine, even for eligible workers who are frontline health or social care staff.

I've tried phoning several times and looked at outlying areas for vaxx. Nae chance.

There's simply no appointments, looks like this is being rolled out particularly effectively. Pretty damn disgraceful really, WTF is going on?

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I’m only eligible from the second week in January and not in any priority group but I went online today and booked my booster for 12th January, there was plenty appointments offered.

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Originally Posted by Callum_62

That's odd

Scotland is far and away ahead of all other UK nations on the 3rd vaccine rollout

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And I booked one last week for 14th December no problem at all. Clearly not the experience of the poster above though.

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Originally Posted by Callum_62

Giving our FM is holding a special briefing right now I'm not sure it's just a media hype

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Or astute politicians are reacting to the media frenzy and attempting to set out the facts, such as they are, at this moment in time.

There is obviously cause for concern with this variant but the more cool heads seem absolutely clear that there is too much we don't know to make any firm statements one way or another. It's no surprise to see the media going to the de facto celebrity scientists for their snap judgements and soundbites.

Scotland want a 4 nations approach

Scotland and Wales fms written to PM to akd to tighten up travel restrictions

Want all travellers to self isolate for 8 days with a PCR test on day 2 and 8

Also want an immediate cobra meeting

We want to plan for the worst but hope for the best

Wants to avoid additional protections if we can

1. get vaccinated
2. Test yourself regularly especially when going to mix with others
3. Comply with the rules on face coverings, ventilation, hygiene and work from home when you can


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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

It seems impossible to get the third vaccine, even for eligible workers who are frontline health or social care staff.

I've tried phoning several times and looked at outlying areas for vaxx. Nae chance.

There's simply no appointments, looks like this is being rolled out particularly effectively. Pretty damn disgraceful really, WTF is going on?

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I became eligible to book my booster at the weekend (40+) and had no problem getting an appointment at my local centre (Leith):dunno:

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Originally Posted by Callum_62

Scotland want a 4 nations approach

Scotland and Wales fms written to PM to akd to tighten up travel restrictions

Want all travellers to self isolate for 8 days with a PCR test on day 2 and 8

Also want an immediate cobra meeting

We want to plan for the worst but hope for the best

Wants to avoid additional protections if we can

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The tightened travel restrictions argument is just such a nonsense

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Originally Posted by ABZHFC

The tightened travel restrictions argument is just such a nonsense

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In what way?

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

It seems impossible to get the third vaccine, even for eligible workers who are frontline health or social care staff.

I've tried phoning several times and looked at outlying areas for vaxx. Nae chance.

There's simply no appointments, looks like this is being rolled out particularly effectively. Pretty damn disgraceful really, WTF is going on?

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You don't need to stay in your own health board if there's one in a nearby area with appointments. We're in Highland but my wife nipped over the border to Grampian to get her booster a couple of weeks quicker.

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Originally Posted by Callum_62

Giving our FM is holding a special briefing right now I'm not sure it's just a media hype

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That's a reaction to the media hype.

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Originally Posted by Callum_62

In what way?

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Because it stops people going abroad for a holiday 😉

Tightening travel into the UK is one of the most important things to prevent the new variant from spreading. We all know that but if it impacts the individual then they will moan.

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Originally Posted by Kato

That's a reaction to the media hype.

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Media hype is causing our government to ask people to step up there vigilence to the current protections in place?

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Originally Posted by Callum_62

Giving our FM is holding a special briefing right now I'm not sure it's just a media hype

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As I said mass hysteria.

They want everyone to stay in the house again for Christmas and New Year to protect the NHS.

What better way to do it than put the fear into people.

I'm on the portal and logged in. I had my second dose more than six months ago and I'm eligible due to my work anyway. I get through to booking an appointment and can't find one anywhere, at anytime.

Back on the phone for the third time. The NHS Inform helpline people aren't very helpful, they just say they see the same appointments as I see. Surely, they can assist a bit more than that? I'm not the most tech-savvy, but can manage most things without issue.

There's something strange, probably me, but I can't work out what I'm doing wrong.

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

I'm on the portal and logged in. I had my second dose more than six months ago and I'm eligible due to my work anyway. I get through to booking an appointment and can't find one anywhere, at anytime.

Back on the phone for the third time. The NHS Inform helpline people aren't very helpful, they just say they see the same appointments as I see. Surely, they can assist a bit more than that? I'm not the most tech-savvy, but can manage most things without issue.

There's something strange, probably me, but I can't work out what I'm doing wrong.

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Whereabouts do you want the appointment, I can nip online and have a shufty?

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

Because it stops people going abroad for a holiday 😉

Tightening travel into the UK is one of the most important things to prevent the new variant from spreading. We all know that but if it impacts the individual then they will moan.

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If you think it's just about holidays then your unbelievably simplistic. Tens of thousands of Scottish jobs depend on inbound tourism and many on outbound. It doesn't effect me in any way but I'm not a fan of poverty. People not getting money over one of the most important periods will cause unemployment.

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Originally Posted by Coco Bryce

As I said mass hysteria.

They want everyone to stay in the house again for Christmas and New Year to protect the NHS.

What better way to do it than put the fear into people.

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That's not what Nicola Sturgeon just did, at all.

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

Whereabouts do you want the appointment, I can nip online and have a shufty?

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Anywhere in Edinburgh.

I'm baffled. I get up to the book appointment part and there are none anywhere. If you could have a look, that would at least let me know I'm either nutz, not working out what to do after that point, or that the appointment system is Friar Tucked.

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

Anywhere in Edinburgh.

I'm baffled. I get up to the book appointment part and there are none anywhere. If you could have a look, that would at least let me know I'm either nutz, not working out what to do after that point, or that the appointment system is Friar Tucked.

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There is a walk in clinic at Ocean Terminal that isn't actively advertised, couple of my Dad's pals used it last week, I was talking to my Dad about it this morning

https://www.edinburghhsc.scot/oceanterminal/

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Originally Posted by ABZHFC

The tightened travel restrictions argument is just such a nonsense

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Why's that?

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Originally Posted by Coco Bryce

They want everyone to stay in the house again for Christmas and New Year

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It's a Puritan plot to stop young people enjoying themselves. I fancy Swinney is the evil genius behind it. Him and Cromwell, two peas in a pod. :agree:

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Originally Posted by DaveF

And I booked one last week for 14th December no problem at all. Clearly not the experience of the poster above though.

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Nor I, I got a text from test and protect on Saturday advising me to book online and I did so for 17th December. That was the earliest date I could based on 24 week gap and I was given the choice of around a dozen places to go to.

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Originally Posted by easty

That's not what Nicola Sturgeon just did, at all.

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I wasn't talking about Sturgeon specifically. I have no idea what she says to be honest.

I was talking about our UK government controlled MSM who have for the last few days now been bombarding us about a new covid variant causing people to panic about it.

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

Anywhere in Edinburgh.

I'm baffled. I get up to the book appointment part and there are none anywhere. If you could have a look, that would at least let me know I'm either nutz, not working out what to do after that point, or that the appointment system is Friar Tucked.

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Lowland Hall at Ingliston has appointments from the 9th December onwards.

I helped someone in my work book this morning.

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

It's a Puritan plot to stop young people enjoying themselves. I fancy Swinney is the evil genius behind it. Him and Cromwell, two peas in a pod. :agree:

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They don't seem to care.

My mates son who is at Aberdeen Uni was telling me at the weekend the clubs up there don't request to see you Covid Passport on entry before midnight!!

As you can imagine he say's they are rammed by 11.30pm

It's farcical.

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Originally Posted by Callum_62

Media hype is causing our government to ask people to step up there vigilence to the current protections in place?

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You don't think politicians react to media hype?

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

Anywhere in Edinburgh.

I'm baffled. I get up to the book appointment part and there are none anywhere. If you could have a look, that would at least let me know I'm either nutz, not working out what to do after that point, or that the appointment system is Friar Tucked.

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As PB says - Lowland Hall, Ingliston has plenty availability from Dec 9th. There is one in Leith on Dec 23rd but apart from that it seems full up. I didn't try elsewhere.

Got an appointment for the 20th Dec, out at Bonnyrigg. Thanks for help and advice everyone. It was harder to book than I expected, but there are appointments available. You'll just have to do a wee bit travelling.

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

Got an appointment for the 20th Dec, out at Bonnyrigg. Thanks for help and advice everyone. It was harder to book than I expected, but there are appointments available. You'll just have to do a wee bit travelling.

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

I'm on the portal and logged in. I had my second dose more than six months ago and I'm eligible due to my work anyway. I get through to booking an appointment and can't find one anywhere, at anytime.

Back on the phone for the third time. The NHS Inform helpline people aren't very helpful, they just say they see the same appointments as I see. Surely, they can assist a bit more than that? I'm not the most tech-savvy, but can manage most things without issue.

There's something strange, probably me, but I can't work out what I'm doing wrong.

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I was having the same problem a few weeks back (I was eligible through work and just around the 6 months mark).

Then I looked at the Pennywell All Care Centre and found hundreds of appointments, some at really short notice.

So I booked an appointment, toddled along on the number 16 bus and got it done a few weeks back.

I was struggling to find anything anywhere else.

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Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4

There is a walk in clinic at Ocean Terminal that isn't actively advertised, couple of my Dad's pals used it last week, I was talking to my Dad about it this morning

https://www.edinburghhsc.scot/oceanterminal/

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Thanks for that, we were finding it impossible to find a way to get my 17yr old his second vaccine as the online appointment system doesn’t have a category for him to pick so he couldn’t book an appointment and they haven’t bothered to send him one.

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

It seems impossible to get the third vaccine, even for eligible workers who are frontline health or social care staff.

I've tried phoning several times and looked at outlying areas for vaxx. Nae chance.

There's simply no appointments, looks like this is being rolled out particularly effectively. Pretty damn disgraceful really, WTF is going on?

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I booked mine online on Saturday, I’m booked in for the 12th. I’ve had to go down to Haddington but that’s only 20 minutes for me.

The Portuguese National Health Institute has announced that the 13 players infected at Belenenses were all positive with the new Omicron variant

It's already spread in Europe. If its more transmissible than Delta then travel bans are like closing the barn door when the horse is a week away. If it's less it will die out. Australia has one of the strictest travel rules in the world. But delta got in and and it went from zero to thousands of cases even with a full lockdown.

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Originally Posted by hibee

Thanks for that, we were finding it impossible to find a way to get my 17yr old his second vaccine as the online appointment system doesn’t have a category for him to pick so he couldn’t book an appointment and they haven’t bothered to send him one.

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17 year olds aren't getting their second dose just now. Anybody over 18 can walk in to most centres for their second dose as long as they are over the 8 week mark from their 1st dose.

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

Got an appointment for the 20th Dec, out at Bonnyrigg. Thanks for help and advice everyone. It was harder to book than I expected, but there are appointments available. You'll just have to do a wee bit travelling.

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There's earlier appointments showing for Ingleston from early December. All my family from age 20-80 in the top 9 groups have had their boosters now. The majority at Pennywell, they kept checking and said new appointments were added which allowed them to keep rescheduling to make the date sooner. Said it was a very efficient service, in and out.

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Originally Posted by Santa Cruz

There's earlier appointments showing for Ingleston from early December. All my family from age 20-80 in the top 9 groups have had their boosters now. The majority at Pennywell, they kept checking and said new appointments were added which allowed them to keep rescheduling to make the date sooner. Said it was a very efficient service, in and out.

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I didn’t realise there was more venues available, I wasn’t scrolling down the list. I’ve now rescheduled mine for a week tomorrow at Gorebridge.

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Originally Posted by J.S

17 year olds aren't getting their second dose just now. Anybody over 18 can walk in to most centres for their second dose as long as they are over the 8 week mark from their 1st dose.

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This is so confusing, I seen on the news the JCVI had advised them to get it, guess it must just be in England for now until Scotland decide to allow it.

Makes no sense to me, a 17yr old out at school etc all day is far more likely to catch than me sitting at home working.

Thanks for the info, at least I know why now!

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Originally Posted by hibee

This is so confusing, I seen on the news the JCVI had advised them to get it, guess it must just be in England for now until Scotland decide to allow it.

Makes no sense to me, a 17yr old out at school etc all day is far more likely to catch than me sitting at home working.

Thanks for the info, at least I know why now!

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Your teen can book on-line from tomorrow if they meet the criteria.



https://www.gov.scot/news/booster-ja...out-continues/

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Originally Posted by Keith_M

I went for a meal at the Beechwood pub near Hampden the other day and almost nobody was wearing a mask.

Seemed a bit strange as everywhere else (cafes, shops, chemists, etc) I've visited recently is still taking it seriously.

Is this just a general pub culture thing?

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Certainly seems to be heading that way in my experience.

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Originally Posted by hibee

This is so confusing, I seen on the news the JCVI had advised them to get it, guess it must just be in England for now until Scotland decide to allow it.

Makes no sense to me, a 17yr old out at school etc all day is far more likely to catch than me sitting at home working.

Thanks for the info, at least I know why now!

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I'm guessing here but I think it may be more about getting over 40s boosted as quickly as possible .
Anybody walking in I'd advise to go early morning or about 6pm and try to avoid weekends if possible or be prepared for a queue rather than just pop in and out .

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Originally Posted by Santa Cruz

Your teen can book on-line from tomorrow if they meet the criteria.



https://www.gov.scot/news/booster-ja...out-continues/

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Apologies. I hadn't seen that. Last one I saw was 21st saying they were postponed

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Originally Posted by Santa Cruz

Your teen can book on-line from tomorrow if they meet the criteria.



https://www.gov.scot/news/booster-ja...out-continues/

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Brilliant, it’s changing faster than we can all type, no wonder it’s difficult to keep up [emoji3]

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/fm-call...for-eight-days

Breaking news.
Request from Scotland and Wales for a 4 Nations approach to travellers to isolate and test for 8 days rejected by Boris!!

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/fm-call...for-eight-days

Breaking news.
Request from Scotland and Wales for a 4 Nations approach to travellers to isolate and test for 8 days rejected by Boris!!

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may have been updated since your post, but there’s nothing in that article about boris responding at all, it just explains what NS and Welsh FM are seeking

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Originally Posted by McD

may have been updated since your post, but there’s nothing in that article about boris responding at all, it just explains what NS and Welsh FM are seeking

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Thats why I said it's breaking news. It's not on the websites but reported on the radio

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

Thats why I said it's breaking news. It's not on the websites but reported on the radio

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ah I see, thanks

i thought you meant in the article itself :embarrass

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Originally Posted by stu in nottingham

Thanks both, feeling a bit low with it today but what can you do. I think many of us are a bit threadbare for various reasons at the moment.

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Get well soon Stu.:aok:

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

https://news.stv.tv/scotland/fm-call...for-eight-days

Breaking news.
Request from Scotland and Wales for a 4 Nations approach to travellers to isolate and test for 8 days rejected by Boris!!

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So 2 outta 4 nations have said they want it.... 1 obviously doesnt... What about NI?

Or again, its just all about 1 nation is it?

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Get well soon Stu.:aok:

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Cheers mate, thanks for that. :aok:

What a great idea COP26 turned out to be :rolleyes:

People from all over the world descending on our country.

If we should have to isolate and test twice after foreign travel, the SNP government should be stepping in and making sure the monopoly that is CMT (whatever they are) are made to reduce costs. £170.00 for the two tests is extortion.

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Originally Posted by Callum_62

So 2 outta 4 nations have said they want it.... 1 obviously doesnt... What about NI?

Or again, its just all about 1 nation is it?

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The devolved nations can bring in this rule tomorrow if they want.

Just getting a chance to catch up. I understand the tone of Sturgeon's briefing was fairly positive this morning although clearly there's a lot of unknowns at this stage.

Still remaining hopeful that Omicron won't be the disaster that some scientists feared it might be a few days ago.

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

If we should have to isolate and test twice after foreign travel, the SNP government should be stepping in and making sure the monopoly that is CMT (whatever they are) are made to reduce costs. £170.00 for the two tests is extortion.

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The prices were a swiz and very dodgy. Should have bought them from a government provider at a non profit set price

Having said the above, this seems to paint a rather different picture.

Virologist Drosten “Quite concerned” about Omicron version.

https://www.canewsottawa.ca/virologi...on-free-press/

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

Just getting a chance to catch up. I understand the tone of Sturgeon's briefing was fairly positive this morning although clearly there's a lot of unknowns at this stage.

Still remaining hopeful that Omicron won't be the disaster that some scientists feared it might be a few days ago.

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I found her to be quite positive . I generally find her to be very guarded but didn't get that feeling today. The biggest thing I took from it was to remember that the vaccine may be less effective against this variant but not ineffective so the message is still to get the vaccine to stop severe illness if you do catch it.

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

Having said the above, this seems to paint a rather different picture.

Virologist Drosten “Quite concerned” about Omicron version.

https://www.canewsottawa.ca/virologi...on-free-press/

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Doesn't really say much apart from it could have vaccine escape. No one knows about Omicron but alpha, beta and delta had vaccine escape already.

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Originally Posted by Coco Bryce

What a great idea COP26 turned out to be :rolleyes:

People from all over the world descending on our country.

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Show us the evidence that any cases have been linked to COP26?

Booked to come home on the 22nd…99 quid for a pcr test, bit steep! if i have to too i might have to replan. hopefully not 😢

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

If we should have to isolate and test twice after foreign travel, the SNP government should be stepping in and making sure the monopoly that is CMT (whatever they are) are made to reduce costs. £170.00 for the two tests is extortion.

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Or you could maybe not travel from abroad?

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

Show us the evidence that any cases have been linked to COP26?

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It will be flimsy and impossible to prove like the evidence you said should transmt had spread cases, although transmit your think would be safer as outdoors. I think both wouldn't have caused any problems to be fair

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

The devolved nations can bring in this rule tomorrow if they want.

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They could and then people would fly into English airports

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Or you could maybe not travel from abroad?

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Guess your not in one of the thousands of jobs reliant on international travel in Scotland. Without furlough its a disaster for many people. Saying its about holidays tries to simplify the argument, ignoring people's jobs, people travelling for work or education, families split by borders.

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Originally Posted by Dalianwanda

Booked to come home on the 22nd…99 quid for a pcr test, bit steep! if i have to too i might have to replan. hopefully not [emoji22]

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We used these folk for my sister in law Coming from Sweden a few months ago

Cheapest we could find (infact recommended from someone on here) and worked fine

https://www.expert-medicals.co.uk/

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

Or you could maybe not travel from abroad?

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I never watched, did the FM advise not to travel overseas?

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

They could and then people would fly into English airports

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So why did we have different rules on international travel at different points in the pandemic. Did it make sense then but not now, England hasn't moved. What percentage would move they're holiday to travel from England and how many would just cancel. I'm sure if the rules were brought
in, international travellers would travel somewhere else if they fancied Edinburgh for Christmas

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

So why did we have different rules on international travel at different points in the pandemic. Did it make sense then but not now, England hasn't moved. What percentage would move they're holiday to travel from England and how many would just cancel. I'm sure if the rules were brought
in, international travellers would travel somewhere else if they fancied Edinburgh for Christmas

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They didn't say they wouldn't go there own way

They did say they preffered a 4 nations approach

No doubt if that happens its Scotland being different for different sake (regardless if Wales do the same)

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Although it's only very small numbers at present it does appear that those infected with the new variant only appear to have mild symptoms.

Too small numbers and too early to know anything further but on very first glance it doesn't as yet to be causing any more severe illness.

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Originally Posted by Dalianwanda

Booked to come home on the 22nd…99 quid for a pcr test, bit steep! if i have to too i might have to replan. hopefully not 😢

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FM mentioned tests outwith the common travel area. I've got family coming from Ireland in December, and Im going there in the next couple of weeks. Hopefully don't need to test.

https://mobile.twitter.com/john_actu...06777398951939

Good thread jcvi look like they are going to drop the booster gap to 5 months and make it eligible for over 18s. This seems good but needs to come with vastly increased booster numbers. If not younger groups will be able to jump infront of older groups

Daily Scottish update:

2,244 new cases since yesterday - 10.7% positivity rate
Increase of 6 in the confirmed cases in hospital since yesterday - 715
Decrease of 3 in the confirmed cases in intensive care since yesterday - 52
4,345,855 people have now received their first dose of the vaccine - 870 people since yesterday
3,948,483 people have now received their second dose of the vaccine - 1,969 people since yesterday
1,659,464 people have now received a booster vaccination - 29,892 people since yesterday
No deaths registered since yesterday

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

Guess your not in one of the thousands of jobs reliant on international travel in Scotland. Without furlough its a disaster for many people. Saying its about holidays tries to simplify the argument, ignoring people's jobs, people travelling for work or education, families split by borders.

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I'm probably not explaining it very well.

The people who will be moaning about the costs of the PCR tests are most likely to be those who chose to travel rather than those who are required to travel for work, in which case the employer should pick up the costs. And that's why I am saying that you don't need to go abroad.

Yes, it's not great for the travel industries but from last summer we had plenty of folk desperately trying to get back from holidays when the countries were going in and out of different traffic lights for restrictions. They only had themselves to blame, same now, if you don't have to travel abroad, say for work, then you can avoid the cost of testing and isolation by staying in the UK.

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

I'm probably not explaining it very well.

The people who will be moaning about the costs of the PCR tests are most likely to be those who chose to travel rather than those who are required to travel for work, in which case the employer should pick up the costs. And that's why I am saying that you don't need to go abroad.

Yes, it's not great for the travel industries but from last summer we had plenty of folk desperately trying to get back from holidays when the countries were going in and out of different traffic lights for restrictions. They only had themselves to blame, same now, if you don't have to travel abroad, say for work, then you can avoid the cost of testing and isolation by staying in the UK.

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What about incoming travel that will grind to a halt. Airport jobs from baggage handlers to mechanics to the shops inside. Taxi drivers, tourist sites in Edinburgh are at minimal numbers. Hotel jobs, bars restaurant jobs uptown

Just direct tourism jobs the uk has lost or close to loosing 200,000 jobs to covid. A lot of hungry bairns due to that.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cityam.com/pandemic-crash-almost-200000-uk-travel-jobs-lost-or-at-risk-due-to-covid-crisis/%3famp=1

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

Having said the above, this seems to paint a rather different picture.

Virologist Drosten “Quite concerned” about Omicron version.

https://www.canewsottawa.ca/virologi...on-free-press/

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Doesn't paint a picture at all other than to say what any good scientist should say, "we don't know yet".

Scary headline though.

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Originally Posted by McD

may have been updated since your post, but there’s nothing in that article about boris responding at all, it just explains what NS and Welsh FM are seeking

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He's just rejected the call for a cobra meeting.

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

Having said the above, this seems to paint a rather different picture.

Virologist Drosten “Quite concerned” about Omicron version.

https://www.canewsottawa.ca/virologi...on-free-press/

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Guess we just need to wait and see where we are by the end of the week ie whether there's a significant and sustained increase in the Omicron cases.

Incidentally, I'm sure it's been answered before but how do those infected by the new variant get picked up? Can you tell if it's the Omicron vairant from a PCR test?

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

Show us the evidence that any cases have been linked to COP26?

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Show me the evidence it hasn't!

People flew in from all over the world for about 3 weeks staying in various parts of the central belt. The new variant has now been traced in Glasgow with no travel relating to any of the infected.

Hmmm :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by He's here!

Guess we just need to wait and see where we are by the end of the week ie whether there's a significant and sustained increase in the Omicron cases.

Incidentally, I'm sure it's been answered before but how do those infected by the new variant get picked up? Can you tell if it's the Omicron vairant from a PCR test?

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Yep fortunately there's a mutation in the spike that a pcr looks for. So this doesn't need Sent for sequencing it's pretty easy to find

No seats on any flight from Spanish Costas to UK before Friday.

Booster gap cut to 3 months and all over-18s to be eligible. Good move I think.

On the face of it this looks like swift and decisive action.

I suppose the challenge is getting the infrastructure in place to roll this out quickly. A lot of the vaccine sites, and the staff doing the jagging, have reverted back to their original roles. There's no point in offering tens of millions a booster if you only have the capability to actually carry out hundreds of thousands (I'm aware that's not the case but exaggerating a bit for effect).

Anyone been told to WFH following todays briefing?

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Anyone been told to WFH following todays briefing?

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Nope,in fact this week is the start of all of us in the office full time.... up to now it was 50% in om any given week :-(

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Originally Posted by Just Alf

Nope,in fact this week is the start of all of us in the office full time.... up to now it was 50% in om any given week :-(

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That has to be rolled back surely (and if you can actually do your job at home)

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2 more cases in the UK brings it to 11 both travelled from Southern Africa.

The Health Secretary has said if OMICRON is proven to be no more dangerous than the delta variant then all the latest measures will be immediately removed.

If you’ve had covid how long do you have to wait after recovering before getting your booster?

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Originally Posted by Del Boy

If you’ve had covid how long do you have to wait after recovering before getting your booster?

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might be 4 weeks, seem to recall being asked if I had had any covid symptoms in past 28 days, if you've got your letter for vaccines, might be worth ringing the number they provide to get professional advice on that one.

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Originally Posted by Ryan91

might be 4 weeks, seem to recall being asked if I had had any covid symptoms in past 28 days, if you've got your letter for vaccines, might be worth ringing the number they provide to get professional advice on that one.

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Ok, cheers

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Originally Posted by Callum_62

That has to be rolled back surely (and if you can actually do your job at home)

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We're hoping so, not heard anything yet, not even that it's under review.

And yup we can fully workroom home, remote desktop and app on mobile for my phone extension.
Also even when we're in the office we'll still be having our meetings on teams to save us crowding in the meeting rooms.

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We're hoping so, not heard anything yet, not even that it's under review.

And yup we can fully workroom home, remote desktop and app on mobile for my phone extension.
Also even when we're in the office we'll still be having our meetings on teams to save us crowding in the meeting rooms.

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Sounds like no excuses then

My company actually came out with the 3 in 2 out policy a few months ago

There was a bit of an uproar and we are now looking at a much more flexible approach with no fixed days in weekly etc

I'm likley to be generally 4 out 1 in

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

Booster gap cut to 3 months and all over-18s to be eligible. Good move I think.

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Anyone know if I can bring my booster appointment forward now or do I have to wait on the Scottish government confirming they’re accepting the advice like England have already done?