In the ScotsmanQuote:
Originally Posted by woodythehibee
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...sion-1-2392610
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In the ScotsmanQuote:
Originally Posted by woodythehibee
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...sion-1-2392610
But surely there would be social unrest if "rangers" were without a league to play in?Quote:
Originally Posted by peterdouglas
Is this why. Were likely to see the govt dip their oar in?
Well he has been out of work since we sacked him :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Minder
Still can't believe Regans statement I'm hoping someone takes him to task today but I won't hold my breathe
Sickened just when you think people are doing the right thing there's someone in a position of power tearing it apart
That interview made me speechless. If these are the public views of the the head of the SFA you have to assume this influences their whole approach to the regulation and management of our game:Quote:
Originally Posted by SiMar
Refereeing of games
Application of the rules
Disciplinary rules, penalties, appeals
Nation team player selection
National Team management appointments
This whole mess has revealed what many of us suspected for years, that corruption and bias was endemic in the game.
Romanov was right! Media monkeys and OF mafia is spot on IMO
I've fired off a few emails to various addresses. Latest one went to SFL clubs, SPL clubs, Both organisations, the Media and a few SPL fan clubs (grouped below).Quote:
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Originally Posted by Gatecrasher
http://www.heidtoheid.co.uk/showAllQ...flavour=Person
:greengrin Very goodQuote:
Originally Posted by reallapsedhibee
Having not got anywhere near a copy of The Scotsman this morning, is the interview indeed accurate?
This quote from Mark Dingwall of rangers supporters trust sums them up really.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamesjamieson
"We are disappointed but not surprised by this decision which has been taken out of malice rather than for the greater good of the Scottish game"
If the Newco are shoehorned into SFL1 with sanctions applied they might end up being so weakened that they don't win the league. Cue immediate league reconstruction with a 16 team SPL. It could have a silver lining after all.
This to me has always been the big picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by rcarter1
If the newco are in Div1 when the dust settles then O.K. ... The fact is that this situation has finally given the rest of Scottish football the chance to reel the OF in .... its what we do with that power from now on that really counts. All clubs in Scotland now have the power to expand the leagues .. this would allow for more than 1 promotion place in Div1 which would get rid of the newco in Div1 being guaranteed promotion to the detriment of Falkirk or whoever in a 1 promotion place situation.
It would also allow for play offs, which everybody appears to want.
This could be worked out in a weekend if the 3 bodies were to get together in a room NOW and thrash this out until it was settled.
Where Zombie rangers end up should take second place to this.
I think they forget one thing.... At the start of the season the clubs all sit down and agree to the RULES for clubs going into Administration or have financial difficulties.... They have gone into liquidation and become a Newco and hence have to be voted back into a league.... Remember when Annan were voted in when Gretna went bust.... Exactly the same.... But no... They are being picked upon.Quote:
Originally Posted by degenerated
The rules were set and agreed upon... So abide by them. Staring into the abyss me thinks and rightly so.
Seems to be. It is on their official site. Unbelievable.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Story So Far...
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/footba...sion-1-2392610
Won't happen like that though will it.Quote:
Originally Posted by PeeKay
Shoving them into SFL1 says we can only do without them for a season. No way will any sanctions that could effect that be put in place. Ditto no hope of league expansion, as they will want their precious 4 Old Firm games.
If that happens you may as well just have a rule that says the Old Firm must both finish in the Top 6 every season and be done with it.
Those comments are totally outrageous. His position now is completely untenable and he must resign or be emptied. He is publicly advocating a different set of rules for a company which has been in existence a matter of days, with no business track record, no financial accounts and hardly any employees/players.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
The head of the Scottish game is taking part in corruption, bullying and bribery.
As for the comments 'social unrest' and 'slow lingering death'. Astonishing:grr:
That's Scottish Cup and Scotland International games off the Beefster family calendar.
I'm so sickened by the whole episode, this season may be my last either way.
If they're struggling to get promotion we'll no doubt see the usual penalties at crucial points of the game to help them.
If we can only do without them for one season then what they're saying is that they're gambling Scottish football on them winning the 1st.
I suppose they'll be about 1/100 at the bookies anyway.
[QUOTE=DC_Hibs;3285372]I've fired off a few emails to various addresses. Latest one went to SFL clubs, SPL clubs, Both organisations, the Media and a few SPL fan clubs (grouped below).
Nice one!
Is it worth adding SKY to the situation? It appears that a lot of what happens to Scottish football is actually in their hands. To start with some clarity over the existing terms of the deal, and when renegotiations might kick in would help. Bottom line though, if the SPL is no longer an attractive enough product we're going to have live without the same amount of tele money - or do something that makes Scottish football interesting to people..
My other thought is that SKY themselves are trying to squeeze Rangers back into the SPL as fast as possible. If this is true, then they have a vested interest in scaring the hell out of the Scottish administrators behind the scenes, while at the same time placating fans that they will look after us, and they are the loyal guardians of Scottish football. SKY should be reminded that if they want to play hardball over Scottish football - in order to pervert the course of justice regards Rangers - the I hope supporters around the country can pull the plug on their own SKY subscriptions. By gum why we're at it, should supporters perhaps appeal to Mr Branson that an opportunity to plant a sore one in SKYs direction has just presented itself?
Bought a copy and it is all there in quotes .. 'slow lingering death', 'social unrest' etc. In the next breath Regan admits 'I can't predict what will happen' .. What a complete arse he is!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Story So Far...
Good for you:applause:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Baldmans Comb
I'm sure the guys at Clyde or Raith Rovers will be happy to take your cash.
We (my family) on the other hand will be on our way to see our family in Kilmarnock, who have supported their club for years. We'll have a pint before the match, and then after to discuss the game. They will have been on the front line to get rid of the guy who calls himself their Chairman.:aok:
Doncaster is U-turning pretty quick now as well. - from the BBC websiteQuote:
Originally Posted by TQM
"Motherwell and St Mirren had expressed concern about the financial impact of not having Rangers in the division.
But, when asked if he thought clubs would now face insolvency, Doncaster replied: "I wouldn't have thought so."
Pathetic pairing! P45s prepared .. pronto!Quote:
Originally Posted by rcarter1
What Reagan is implying is that "Rangers" cannot be suspended/expelled from football PERIOD - thus prejudicing the result of the SFA appellate tribunal still to re-convene. Also this says to "Rangers" and, I suppose, Celtic - you can do anything you want and you still won't be thrown out of scottish football - the worst they will ever get is a demotion to SFL1. :brickwall
Leopards really cant change their spots
The expectation beforehand within the SPL – shared by the Scottish Football Association – was that the outcome would be another deferral, leaving it to the Scottish Football League clubs to accept Rangers into their ranks and sparing the top division chairmen from a decision they did not want to make.
There were also some who hoped that Rangers would be able to make sufficient case – coupled with a clear and evident change of attitude – for their admission to the SPL.
However – and not for the first time in this saga – Rangers utterly misread the mood of the other SPL clubs. The faux pas occurred despite the fact that Rangers had been briefed at a meeting on Sunday attended by two other SPL chairmen and a vice-chairman, who stressed the need for humility.
Murray, in blazer and club tie, arrived at the gathering on Wednesday with the frontman for the Sevco consortium, Charles Green – who did not sport the club’s uniform – and Ally McCoist, the Ibrox manager. A presentation brochure was distributed to the delegates.
The back page featured a photograph of a Rangers title win with the words “We Are Rangers” emblazoned across it.
“The arrogance was unbelievable,” said one chairman. “The atmosphere hardened immediately. Charles Green conducted himself well enough but the Rangers chairman was arrogant and dogmatic.”
Another who was present told The Daily Telegraph: “Some people in the room wanted a reason to make a case for Rangers but the standard of the presentation was woeful.
“Ally and Charles Green were not always on the same page but that was not damaging. The chairman was another matter entirely and the brochure was substandard – you could have easily knocked something better together given half an hour. It makes you wonder what kind of management team they have.”
Murray, Green and McCoist absented themselves from the meeting to allow discussion, then returned for the vote and cast theirs as a proxy for Duff & Phelps, administrators of the Rangers oldco.
Only Michael Johnston of Kilmarnock gave them any sort of support with an abstention, while the other 10 clubs – including those who had expressed a degree of willingness to help Rangers, voted ‘No’ to the newco’s admission.
The Rangers party departed and a further two-hour discussion ensued. “It was constructive,” said one who took part. “People actually listened to one another and respected the other positions. It was a huge leap of faith for integrity and it’s now up to the SFA and SFL to make their decision.”
Neil Doncaster, the SPL chief executive, said of the decision to refuse the newco entry: “Clearly there were discussions going on between the newco and the members and ultimately that could have led to a presentation and a proposal put to clubs that they might have said yes to.
“In the end the proposal put forward to the clubs was considered and they said no.”
He added: “I think [the vote] surprised a number of people. Money is important in professional football and I think what our chairmen have done today is put aside the short-term commercial considerations, that would ordinarily drive behaviour, ahead of the longer-term interests of their clubs – and supporter involvement has clearly been a huge part of that.
“Ultimately they believe they have made the right decision and one that brings a bit more clarity to an unclear world. Until we know where Rangers are playing next year we won’t be able to ascertain what the damage is to the Scottish game.
“A number of people have said the decision today has enhanced the reputation of the league but it’s not for me to say.”
Celtic released a statement in which they expressed the integrity of Scottish football as the main reason behind their opposition of newco Rangers entering the SPL.
It read: “Today’s decision to refuse access into the SPL was an overwhelming one and demonstrates the depth of feeling amongst everyone involved in Scottish football.
“Fundamentally, the Celtic Board has also been very mindful of the need to take what it believes to be the correct course of action in protecting the integrity of the game in Scotland.
“Throughout the whole sequence of events leading up to today’s decision the Celtic Board has been of the singular view that the integrity of the game in Scotland is of paramount importance.”
The Rangers Supporters’ Trust, meanwhile, accused other SPL clubs of acting out of “malice”.
Mark Dingwall, as spokesman for the Trust, said: “We are disappointed but not surprised by this decision which has been taken out of malice rather than for the greater good of the Scottish game.”
Holy ***** of course there is going to be a financial impact... Do they think we're ****ing stupid. Doncaster and Reagan don't have a ****ing clue do they!!Quote:
Originally Posted by rcarter1
It's about doing the right thing and the right thing has been done. Doing it the right way stops a free fur all... It declare liquidation, form as a new company and stay where you are.
Not read all the quotes but have Doncaster or Reagan actually come out and said Newco are in the wrong????
This whole farce has firmly knocked on the heid and should have removed any misconception that anybody may have had that Scottish fitba isnae completely and utterly rigged in favour of just two clubs. They're no even trying tae hide it now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wat Dabney
Corrupt and rotten tae the core. :agree:
Why no go through for a pint with your family, then stay in the pub during the game, giving your money to some honest tax paying public house owner, rather than stumping up cash to a club with a chairman that as good as advocates cheating and not paying tax, watch the scores on SSN in the pub then meet your family after and get the run down on another Hibs victory :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
Clear conscious :aok:
By STEPHEN HALLIDAY
Published on Thursday 5 July 2012 00:21
SCOTTISH Football Association chief executive Stewart Regan has warned that football faces a “slow lingering death” in this country if newco Rangers are denied entry to the First Division of the Scottish [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]Football [COLOR=blue !important]League[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] following the emphatic rejection yesterday of their application to retain top-flight football at Ibrox.
Regan’s remarkable comment came as he insisted admission to the First Division is now the only viable option. He also made the startling warning of “social unrest” if Rangers cease to exist.
The Scottish Premier League turned down Charles Green’s bid to have Rangers’ existing share in the organisation transferred to his newco for next season, with ten of the member clubs voting against the application. It is understood Green cast the only vote in favour, while Kilmarnock chairman Michael Johnston is believed to have abstained.
The SPL will now await the outcome of an SFL meeting next week when that organisation’s 30 clubs will vote on a proposal to accept newco Rangers into the First Division in the new season ahead of an amalgamation of the league governing bodies from 2013-14.
There is considerable opposition and resistance to the plan among SFL clubs and their [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]supporters[/COLOR][/COLOR] with many believing Rangers should have to apply for entry to the Third Division in the wake of their spectacular financial collapse.
But Regan last night bluntly asserted that Scottish football simply cannot afford to have Rangers outwith the top two tiers of the league structure, with his argument not confined to the commercial impact their absence would have.
“Without Rangers, there is social unrest and a big problem for Scottish society,” claimed Regan. “They have a huge fan base and to contemplate the situation where those fans don’t have a team to support, where those fans are effectively left without a game to follow, I just think that could lead to all sorts of issues, all sorts of problems for the game.
“Tribalism in football is really important. It is part of the game. People follow their clubs with pride, it is passed down from generation to generation. There are thousands of Rangers fans whose fathers and parents and grandfathers have been Rangers fans. You can’t contemplate a situation without that and if Rangers weren’t to exist that could have real dire consequences.
“There is a lot of emotion around this subject because Rangers are a huge institution in Scottish football history and they are where they are. Their fans have been hurt, they don’t know what’s happening. There hasn’t been a great deal of leadership at the club and there hasn’t been a huge amount of communication from the football authorities.
“The SPL have now decided that Rangers won’t be coming back into the SPL. From our perspective it’s important we set out the landscape because there is only one solution for the game now.
“The only solution for the game now is that Rangers come into the Scottish [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]Football [COLOR=blue !important]League[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] and they come into it in the First Division. If Rangers were to go anywhere other than the First Division, then there would something in the region of £15.7 million worth of losses to the game.
“For the bigger clubs at the top of the league, that’s half their annual distributions. For clubs at the bottom it is basically wiping out their entire distributions, for some of the smaller clubs it’s a huge proportion of their annual turnover.
“The same will be true for most clubs. Perhaps clubs could survive for a short period of time but it’s not sustainable. Even if Rangers end up in the First Division, there is still going to be a £5 million loss of income to the SPL clubs. The game is not sustainable so there would be a slow lingering death for the game in Scotland. It would then trickle down to the SFL. From our perspective as the governing body and we cannot allow that to happen.
“If we allowed that to happen, it would simply be a dereliction of duty. Therefore, this whole decision-making process has been one of the most challenging and complex decisions that I have ever been involved in in 27 years of business as sport.
“Some clubs in the SFL are afraid of the implications of the decisions. There is the moral argument, the fear of a fans’ backlash and there are financial implications to consider. But when we look at the alternative, it is not possible to think about it without thinking of the game withering on the vine. We cannot contemplate that and the message has to be that Division One for Rangers is the only show in town as far as the future of Scottish football is concerned.”
Regan admits the influence of television contracts, which are largely predicated on the presence of Celtic and Rangers in the Scottish game, are the biggest single factor in his determination to ensure the Ibrox club drop no lower than the First Division. “We have had dialogue with the broadcasters,” he added, “and we understand what the various stakeholders from Sky television, ESPN, Sport Five and a number of the SPL’s other [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]commercial[/COLOR][/COLOR] partners are likely to do in the event Rangers are not in either of the top two tiers. It’s not pretty. That’s why we cannot sit back and let that happen without trying to get all parties to accept this is the only solution which can keep the game afloat.
“Without Old Firm games, the value drops, the overseas deals are almost exclusively about the Old Firm derby and that would go immediately. Then you look at the rest of the game and what it is worth. It is fair to say the broadcasters would live with a year without Rangers in the SPL, because it could be a fantastic story for them, which is why I think First Division rights will be an interest as people will want to see how this club is going to bounce back.”
Regan conceded, however, that there can be no guarantee a financially weakened Rangers will climb back to the top flight at the first attempt. “If Rangers don’t get promoted, then the game has got another year to suffer with the financial consequences that brings,” he said. “I can’t predict what will happen, because Rangers at the moment are a weakened team because of everything that has gone on.
“They are a newco at the moment, they have got very few players on their books. They are going to be entering the SFL in whatever division with a weakened team and I don’t think it’s by any means certain they are going to come back in the way they or their fans might like them to recover.
“It’s going to be a slow recovery to get back to the football fitness they have shown in the past. So we can’t look into the future and say ‘what if they don’t operate in a certain way?’. We can only look at building the foundations, to change the game for the better and provide an infrastructure that can bring financial certainty to the other 41 clubs.”
Regan confirmed that sanctions will apply to newco Rangers in the First Division and also made it clear the formation of an SPL2 will be pursued in order to accommodate the Ibrox club if they are rejected by the SFL next week. “The SFA have to transfer Rangers’ membership from oldco to newco,” he said. “That can be done with any conditions attached to it that the SFA board deem fit. We would expect a newco to carry some of the sanctions which would have related to the club had it still been in the previous incarnation. The membership cannot be transferred on financial grounds alone. It has to have a degree of sporting integrity and that means [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]sporting[/COLOR][/COLOR] sanctions.”