(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

No, I mean that the Democrats establishment have got their knives out. The Democrats leadership are rounding on Sanders, they consider him too far left and would rather inflict damage on themselves than let him stand for president as a Democrat.

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No, he simply lost voters. He is getting less votes than he got in 2016. His base of young voters are great at turning up for rally’s but when it come to showing up to vote, just like in this country, not so much. Sanders himself has been attacking the party he wants the nomination from, so you can see why the voters turned against him.
And it is with black voters he is weakest with and nobody ever called them the establishment.


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

No, he simply lost voters. He is getting less votes than he got in 2016. His base of young voters are great at turning up for rally’s but when it come to showing up to vote, just like in this country, not so much. Sanders himself has been attacking the party he wants the nomination from, so you can see why the voters turned against him.
And it is with black voters he is weakest with and nobody ever called them the establishment.


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CNN reckons otherwise.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/03/03/politics/biden-vs-sanders-super-tuesday/index.html

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

CNN reckons otherwise.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...day/index.html

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That article just says that people who oppose him are standing against him. That’s politics. You’re claiming they would rather lose to trump than have Sanders as the nominee. That’s not true.
Sanders is losing and that’s down to him given the advantages he has enjoyed as front runner, having more money and a bigger ground operation. Fact is, socialism is just not that popular and if you can’t sell it to democrat voters then he has no chance of selling it in a general election.


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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

No, I mean that the Democrats establishment have got their knives out. The Democrats leadership are rounding on Sanders, they consider him too far left and would rather inflict damage on themselves than let him stand for president as a Democrat.

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Strange view re inflicting damage on themselves.

I see it as they are looking to avoid inflicting that damage by not wanting him as their candidate as they know he wouldn’t beat Trump.

To me there is parallels to Labour and Corbyn but Labour was too damn stubborn to listen.

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Originally Posted by RyeSloan

Strange view re inflicting damage on themselves.

I see it as they are looking to avoid inflicting that damage by not wanting him as their candidate as they know he wouldn’t beat Trump.

To me there is parallels to Labour and Corbyn but Labour was too damn stubborn to listen.

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I'm not altogether sure that's true. The RCP averages for Biden v Trump and Sanders v Trump are currently Biden+5.4 and Sanders+4.9. Not that different. I'm not sure how it plays out in the swing states this time but last time Sanders looked a much better bet in the rust belt states like Ohio and Wisconsin that Clinton managed to lose.

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

I'm not altogether sure that's true. The RCP averages for Biden v Trump and Sanders v Trump are currently Biden+5.4 and Sanders+4.9. Not that different. I'm not sure how it plays out in the swing states this time but last time Sanders looked a much better bet in the rust belt states like Ohio and Wisconsin that Clinton managed to lose.

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After a few months of Trump portraying him as a commie then the choice will seem like a choice between two extremes and people may decide to stick with the devil they know.
Biden represents a boring return to pre Trump days. A centrist candidate is the best bet in my opinion.
I think Biden will be a useless candidate but I think they will keep away from big stump speeches and do lots more interviews etc which suit him better. He’s a known quantity and people seem to like him even if they think he’s useless or don’t agree with his policies.



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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

After a few months of Trump portraying him as a commie then the choice will seem like a choice between two extremes and people may decide to stick with the devil they know.
Biden represents a boring return to pre Trump days. A centrist candidate is the best bet in my opinion.
I think Biden will be a useless candidate but I think they will keep away from big stump speeches and do lots more interviews etc which suit him better. He’s a known quantity and people seem to like him even if they think he’s useless or don’t agree with his policies.



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He will be useless but it's hard to imagine him being *more* useless than Trump.

Wishy washy and a bit vacant vs pathologically deranged.

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

He will be useless but it's hard to imagine him being *more* useless than Trump.

Wishy washy and a bit vacant vs pathologically deranged.

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Biden should offer VP to Obama.

Would skoosh it :greengrin

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Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee

Biden should offer VP to Obama.

Would skoosh it :greengrin

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Wonder if that is allowed? He could offer it to Michelle Obama though. That would do the trick.
His VP is going to be pretty important. Has to be someone people can see as President given that Biden is 77 years old.


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Bloomberg now out the race and if he’s as good as his word will be making £1.5bn available to Bidens campaign. He’s endorsed him now.


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Wonder if that is allowed? He could offer it to Michelle Obama though. That would do the trick.
His VP is going to be pretty important. Has to be someone people can see as President given that Biden is 77 years old.


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That's what might supper that plan. Having served a 2 term presidency, not sure he could step in if the President resigned or died in office.

Michelle Obama on the other hand...

EDIT: Apparently he can but there would be a limit on how long he could return as President. They'd have to call an election.

He can be VP and can serve as president if required.

22nd amendment only states he cant be 'elected' as president again 😁

Might tip Trump over the edge mind since his whole presidency seems to have been based on overturning everything Obama did.

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Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee

22nd amendment only states he cant be 'elected' as president again 😁

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Elected for 8 but can serve up to 10. :agree:

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

You’re claiming they would rather lose to trump than have Sanders as the nominee. That’s not true.

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That's not what I'm claiming. If Sanders wins the nomination for the Democrats ticket, then he will bring many progressives with him making the current establishment a junior partner within the party. I'm reading that the powerful within the Democratic Party are considering imposing a candidate, maybe even one that hasn't even put themselves forward for the presidency yet. That could have long lasting negative effects on the party.

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Originally Posted by RyeSloan

To me there is parallels to Labour and Corbyn but Labour was too damn stubborn to listen.

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It could definitely be seen that way.

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

That's not what I'm claiming. If Sanders wins the nomination for the Democrats ticket, then he will bring many progressives with him making the current establishment a junior partner within the party. I'm reading that the powerful within the Democratic Party are considering imposing a candidate, maybe even one that hasn't even put themselves forward for the presidency yet. That could have long lasting negative effects on the party.

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They won’t need to. I can’t see Biden losing from here. Needs to keep his head down and avoid gaffs and it will be his.


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Looking at the sums spent by people who have dropped out it's absolutely mental the money spent by people who, if they were being honest with themselves, had absolutely no chance of winning.

I understand you have to be in it to win it, it's good to have a wide selection of candidates with different ideas etc, but F me, I can't help but think the hundreds of millions of dollars pissed up against the wall for campaigns that are over before they started could've made some real differences in inner city projects across the US.

What I don't understand is why these ****ing primaries have to go on for ever and ever. Why can't it just be a one-off vote from party members?

I suspect money probably has something to do with it. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Diclonius

What I don't understand is why these ****ing primaries have to go on for ever and ever. Why can't it just be a one-off vote from party members?

I suspect money probably has something to do with it. :rolleyes:

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Not sure why but what the timetable does give is plenty chance to really test a candidate under pressure. Allows them to narrow the field gradually so that your are left with the most popular candidate. Had it all been on one day then sanders would have won as the only far left candidate. The slower timetable has allowed the moderate branch of the party to pick their candidate.


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Originally Posted by Haymaker

That's what might supper that plan. Having served a 2 term presidency, not sure he could step in if the President resigned or died in office.

Michelle Obama on the other hand...

EDIT: Apparently he can but there would be a limit on how long he could return as President. They'd have to call an election.

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The downside would be that he would be accused of pulling the strings - the president (or VP if Michelle) would be seen as a puppet.

To the trumpettes anyway.

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Originally Posted by Diclonius

What I don't understand is why these ****ing primaries have to go on for ever and ever. Why can't it just be a one-off vote from party members?

I suspect money probably has something to do with it. :rolleyes:

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Because there isn't a US wide democratic party believe it or not.
Its a collection of 50 independent state wide parties who will endorse a candidate(s), using there own differing rules and regulations and then nominate delegates to represent their state nominations at the national convention of the Democratic parties where the real vote then takes place.

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Not sure why but what the timetable does give is plenty chance to really test a candidate under pressure. Allows them to narrow the field gradually so that your are left with the most popular candidate. Had it all been on one day then sanders would have won as the only far left candidate. The slower timetable has allowed the moderate branch of the party to pick their candidate.


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The popular candidate amongst the electorate would appear to be Sanders but the Democrat party boffins seem to know better. Recent political events show that the electorate don't take kindly to being ignored, the Democratic Party establishment are playing with fire.

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

The popular candidate amongst the electorate would appear to be Sanders but the Democrat party boffins seem to know better. Recent political events show that the electorate don't take kindly to being ignored, the Democratic Party establishment are playing with fire.

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Biden has nearly a million more votes than Sanders? Surely that makes Biden the popular candidate among the electorate?


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Wonder if Bloombergs support had a price tag.

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Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee

Wonder if Bloombergs support had a price tag.

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Of course it did, this is American politics we are talking about.

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Originally Posted by weecounty hibby

Of course it did, this is American politics we are talking about.

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The same happens here.

Farage didn't stand his candidates down out of the goodness of his heart.

https://www.motherjones.com/2020-ele...ats-disagreed/


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He's now constantly using "The Chinese Virus" when talking about Coronavirus.
I still cant fathom how on earth he is in the position he is.

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Originally Posted by sleeping giant

He's now constantly using "The Chinese Virus" when talking about Coronavirus.
I still cant fathom how on earth he is in the position he is.

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It's disgusting, an absolutely disgusting use of language at a difficult time.

There aren't words for the loathing I feel towards that man. He is the biggest problem facing mankind right now.