Tories are still lying *******s

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

I guess I see the opposite!!

I rarely see the media giving Nicola Sturgeon a hard time.

I NEVER see Ian Blackfrod questioned on anything. I see him as a complete embarrassment to Scotland who gets to spout his guff very week unchallenged.

I obviously don't agree with your last sentence. It's not that I don't want to see it, I just don't see it.

I think Boris is a genuinely decent bloke who wants to help others. I also think Nicola Sturgeon wants to help others. They just have a different take on how to do it. Is that really so bad?

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You're not paying attention then. The difference is palpable the way they treat your party in Scotland to the devolved governing parties.

Blackford was on BBC NEWS last night. You might have missed it.

If you think Boris is a decent bloke, then I'm afraid you're definitely not paying attention. It's there if you want to see it, as you say though, you don't see it.

Peace out.

What have the tories ever done for us?


https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/po...i5X8dXcr8dz-MQ

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

Minimum or living wage has been increasing recently, not got a problem with that at all.

Personally I think the NHS is fine. You could double it's annual budget every year and it will never be enough.

Don't know what Sure Start is so can't comment on that.

Closing the mines was controversial at the time but was the right thing to do.

Ok, so the North of England was ignored in the past, let's at least try and fix it now though yeah?

The chat here since I posted that has been civil and fine, go back through some of the thread though and you'll see what I was referring to though.

I don't go reading every political manifesto or considering every policy before I decide who to vote for. Like a lot of people, I look to the leaders and what they are about.

I couldn't stand Corbyn or anything he stood for. I like Boris though, and I do believe him when he talks about levelling up. I like his positive outlook on things..

I'm not in favour of independence so despite admiring Sturgeon I could never vote for her. I voted for Brexit. I still believe it was the right thing to do.

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With all the evidence currently available, why is it still the right thing to have been done?

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

I think Boris is a genuinely decent bloke who wants to help others.

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Decent bloke?

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Originally Posted by The Guardian

A journalist who Boris Johnson secretly discussed helping a friend to have beaten up has demanded an apology from the Conservative leadership candidate as he stands on the brink of Downing Street.Stuart Collier, the journalist who was at the centre of the incident nearly 30 years ago, said Johnson was not fit to be prime minister.
In 1990, Johnson was secretly recorded agreeing to provide the address of the News of the World reporter Stuart Collier to his friend Darius Guppy, who wanted to arrange for the journalist to have his ribs cracked as revenge for investigating his activities.

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

Noted in my last post before I saw this.

Go back and read some earlier pages though.....

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You might be best to either formally put some people on ignore (I'm not sure how you do that but I've seen posters refer to it) or just do it yourself informally. Just because someone posts in a thread you have contributed to doesn't mean you have to either read them, answer them or even engage with them. Some people here debate with good intent, others don't. It's probably best to decide who you think isn't gratuitously abusive or mindlessly inflexible and go from there. Between posters themselves generally and the admins in particular .net tends to self-regulate most of the worst off the site eventually one way or another.

I think you are absolutely wrong about Johnson. I think he is one of the very worst exponents of populism in a way that is cancerous to our politics. The first two paras of the Wiki definition describe it well:

"Populism refers to a range of political stances that emphasize the idea of "the people" and often juxtapose this group against "the elite" or "the establishment". The term developed in the late 19th century in connection to the Populist Party and has been applied to various politicians, parties and movements since that time, often derisively by opponents. Within political science and other social sciences, several different definitions of populism have been employed, with some scholars proposing that the term be rejected altogether.


A common framework for interpreting populism is known as the ideational approach: this defines populism as an ideology which presents "the people" as a morally good force and contrasts them against "the elite", who are portrayed as corrupt and self-serving. Populists differ in how "the people" are defined, but it can be based along class, ethnic, or national lines.[citation needed] Populists typically present "the elite" as comprising the political, economic, cultural, and media establishment, depicted as a homogeneous entity and accused of placing their own interests, and often the interests of other groups—such as large corporations, foreign countries, or immigrants—above the interests of "the people". Populist parties and social movements are often led by charismatic or dominant figures who present themselves as the "voice of the people". According to the ideational approach, populism is often combined with other ideologies, such as nationalism, liberalism, or socialism. Thus, populists can be found at different locations along the left–right political spectrum, and there exist both left-wing populism and right-wing populism."

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

Talk about debate, then shut down the debate when it becomes difficult to justify. 🤔🙄

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Sorry, you've lost me, i'm not trying to shut anything down but I'm also not going to pretend i know the ins and outs of every damn policy the Conservatives come up with.

Look, I'm not a political junkie that follows very news story or policy closely. I'm not remotely involved in politics and I don't have the answers you are looking for.

I'm a regular working class guy that votes differently to you guys. Can't you show a bit of tolerance to other people's views?

I'll just ignore the smiley's that you keep using to try and patronise me.

Boris Johnson a decent bloke?

He's a liar and a cheat who's only interested in his mates and his own bank balance.

He's up there with the worst prime minister we've ever had, the guy is a clown who wouldn't know the truth if it bit him on the arse.

A decent guy. :brickwall

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Originally Posted by One Day Soon

You might be best to either formally put some people on ignore (I'm not sure how you do that but I've seen posters refer to it) or just do it yourself informally. Just because someone posts in a thread you have contributed to doesn't mean you have to either read them, answer them or even engage with them. Some people here debate with good intent, others don't. It's probably best to decide who you think isn't gratuitously abusive or mindlessly inflexible and go from there. Between posters themselves generally and the admins in particular .net tends to self-regulate most of the worst off the site eventually one way or another.

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This thread is 50+ pages. Other than today you'll be hard pushed to find 5 or 6 posts from me on it.

If i replied to everyone that i disagreed with on here I'd have been banned ages ago!

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

This thread is 50+ pages. Other than today you'll be hard pushed to find 5 or 6 posts from me on it.

If i replied to everyone that i disagreed with on here I'd have been banned ages ago!

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The tolling of the 'Left By Mutual Consent' bell is generally a pretty happy sound.

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

I like Boris though, and I do believe him

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Aw, man. I don't think even Johnson believes what he says now.

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Originally Posted by ronaldo7

With all the evidence currently available, why is it still the right thing to have been done?

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Not to open a whole new can of worms but in a similar way that i said I prefer small government, I also prefer less government, closer to the people that they are accountable to.

I think in the long run Brexit will massively benefit all of us.

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

Aw, man. I don't think even Johnson believes what he says now.

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Fair do's :greengrin

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

Not to open a whole new can of worms but in a similar way that i said I prefer small government, I also prefer less government, closer to the people that they are accountable to.

I think in the long run Brexit will massively benefit all of us.

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Govt from Holyrood is nice and close.[emoji6]
And the Tories are not a party of small govt.


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Originally Posted by One Day Soon

The tolling of the 'Left By Mutual Consent' bell is generally a pretty happy sound.

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Does that mean you think I should be binned??:confused:

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Govt from Holyrood is nice and close.[emoji6]
And the Tories are not a party of small govt.


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Yeah i saw this point coming but I can't do Brexit, Tories are all Bs and Independence all at the same time!

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

Not to open a whole new can of worms but in a similar way that i said I prefer small government, I also prefer less government, closer to the people that they are accountable to.

I think in the long run Brexit will massively benefit all of us.

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You'll have a long wait then!!

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

What have the tories ever done for us?


https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/po...i5X8dXcr8dz-MQ

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In the same way that Independence will massively benefit all of us, in the long run!! :greengrin

Is there anyone else on this thread / forum that votes Conservative, is against Independence and was for Brexit?!!

Am i out here on my own??!!!

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Govt from Holyrood is nice and close.[emoji6]
And the Tories are not a party of small govt.


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The Scottish ones certainly don't seem to be and Johnson absolutely isn't. I think up here they're still in favour of creating a whole load of smaller local authorities which they would see as being a lot more accountable to their communities. I think but I could have this wrong - that its an idea lifted from either the Norwegian or Swedish experience.

Johnson's willingness to spend is so incontinent that Sunak and the dryer, more conventional Tories are already pretty pissed off about it. Unfortunately I think that Johnson's spend propensity - while absolutely the right think to do in the current circumstances rather than more austerity, if correctly targeted - is generally politically motivated incoherent rubbish.

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

Does that mean you think I should be binned??:confused:

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No. It's an observation that the more intolerant 'build an empty room just so that they can then go and start a fight in one on their own' types tend to end up binned.

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Not to open a whole new can of worms but in a similar way that i said I prefer small government, I also prefer less government, closer to the people that they are accountable to.

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I felt the EU were far closer to the UK populace and understood what ordinary people wanted way more than a entitled, upper class, never wanted for nothing, guy who went to Eton.

The SNP are surely closer to the people of Scotland than the Conservative Party who treat and talk about Scotland as though they own it.

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

Is there anyone else on this thread / forum that votes Conservative, is against Independence and was for Brexit?!!

Am i out here on my own??!!!

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That question is probably worth starting a thread in its own right. You MAY find others, after all some people thought Jarko Wiss was a good thing...

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Originally Posted by One Day Soon

The Scottish ones certainly don't seem to be and Johnson absolutely isn't. I think up here they're still in favour of creating a whole load of smaller local authorities which they would see as being a lot more accountable to their communities. I think but I could have this wrong - that its an idea lifted from either the Norwegian or Swedish experience.

Johnson's willingness to spend is so incontinent that Sunak and the dryer, more conventional Tories are already pretty pissed off about it. Unfortunately I think that Johnson's spend propensity - while absolutely the right think to do in the current circumstances rather than more austerity, if correctly targeted - is generally politically motivated incoherent rubbish.

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Definitely Nordic

https://www.nordichorizons.org/categ...cal-democracy/

I didn't think it was also a Tory policy though.

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Originally Posted by Kato

I felt the EU were far closer to the UK populace and understood what ordinary people wanted way more than a entitled, upper class, never wanted for nothing, guy who went to Eton.

The SNP are surely closer to the people of Scotland than the Conservative Party who treat and talk about Scotland as though they own it.

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You could be right :wink:

http://www.whoownsscotland.org.uk/index.php

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

Is there anyone else on this thread / forum that votes Conservative, is against Independence and was for Brexit?!!

Am i out here on my own??!!!

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:tumble:

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

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TBF you've only given it 30 minutes and the echo chamber will need longer than that to attract external interest... :greengrin

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Originally Posted by One Day Soon

TBF you've only given it 30 minutes and the echo chamber will need longer than that to attract external interest... :greengrin

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:greengrin

It is an incredibly effective way to close a debate on Hibsnet though. :wink:

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

:greengrin

It is an incredibly effective way to close a debate on Hibsnet though. :wink:

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Well I'm all for that :agree:

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

:greengrin

It is an incredibly effective way to close a debate on Hibsnet though. :wink:

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To be honest, this is a thread about the tories, and one tory can't answer all the questions. It needs a few more, but where are we going to find them?

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

Not to open a whole new can of worms but in a similar way that i said I prefer small government, I also prefer less government, closer to the people that they are accountable to. I think in the long run Brexit will massively benefit all of us.

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Small government eh? Do you mean less red tape?

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?...25#post6742625

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Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875

Brexit wipes £17bn off UK trade with the EU in just three months (thelondoneconomic.com)

Brexit red tape has slashed £17 billion from UK trade with the European Union in just three months as businesses struggle to keep up with new costs, a spending watchdog revealed.

Despite promises from the Leave campaign that red tape would fade after Britain quit the EU, UK companies have had to fill in an astonishing 48 million customs declarations and 140,000 export health certificates in the eight months since the UK quit the single market and customs union , according to the National Audit Office (NAO).

The watchdog’s report also warned that the government could face action for not “complying with international trading rules” – but that when controls are finally introduced, they will bring “significant risks” to traders.

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Originally Posted by One Day Soon

That question is probably worth starting a thread in its own right. You MAY find others, after all some people thought Jarko Wiss was a good thing...

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