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03-07-2012, 01:29 PM
John_the_angus_hibby

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Originally Posted by Green E's

hope this news isnt to soften us up before the blow that they'l allow them in the first. i just dont trust those running the game one bit

This. Until they kick of the first game in the 3rd or not at all I won't believe it!
03-07-2012, 01:31 PM
jgl07

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

Can someone outline why there is no vote at this SFL meeting? Given the season is a month away how many more delays before everyone is clear what is happening to Rangers and the other teams involved in any divisional moves.

Presumably because there was no application as the SPL vote has yet to take place this Thursday.

It is clear that the SFL do not want to know about Doncaster's harebrained scheme.
03-07-2012, 01:37 PM
dchibs

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Originally Posted by s.a.m

James Matthews‏@SkyScotSky sources: SPL Chief exec Neil Doncaster's plan for #rangers 1st division re-entry "badly received" by SFL chairmen at meeting

Doncaster must go-SIMPLES
03-07-2012, 01:38 PM
Hibby-Nessie

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Originally Posted by VickMackie

The STV news Edinburgh is a joke.

And now for your local news. Camera pans to outside ibex with the latest developments on rangers. :faf:

STV North we get a wee bit about ICT or Ross County, Aberdeen and Dundee Utd, the rest is OF. Have also noticed 9 times out of 10 they always show them scoring against Hibs :confused:
03-07-2012, 01:39 PM
green glory

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Originally Posted by dchibs

Doncaster must go-SIMPLES

FACT! End of.
03-07-2012, 01:54 PM
Moulin Yarns

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Originally Posted by Hibby-Nessie

STV North we get a wee bit about ICT or Ross County, Aberdeen and Dundee Utd, the rest is OF. Have also noticed 9 times out of 10 they always show them scoring against Hibs :confused:

You think that's bad, we Pitlochry residents also get the Aberdeen opt out so any Tayside story is missed as that's the Dundee opt out!!
03-07-2012, 01:55 PM
Baldy Foghorn

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Originally Posted by NJ Hibee

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/r...ers-situation/

Video of Raith Director saying the SFA / SPL the game is corrupt

He does not miss the powers that run our game, says it how it is....100% agree with him....
03-07-2012, 01:58 PM
bawheid

My father used to work with Turnbull Hutton at Diageo. He's one of the good guys.
03-07-2012, 01:59 PM
ballengeich

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Originally Posted by The Sea-gull

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18687492

Anyone else sickened by the timing of this apology?

Rangers' psychological ineptitude has been remarkable. If this type of apology had come as soon as Green took over and been accompanied by the "concessions" he's apparently now offering then Rangers would be looking at a yes from the SPL tomorrow. At least some of the players who've left would still be at Ibrox and he could have sold a few to keep the cash-flow moving.

All that was needed to keep the SPL chairmen onside was a statement that the club was sorry about the behaviour of the previous owner - not in keeping with the club's values blah blah - we accept the transfer ban punishment waffle waffle etc etc. I think the Court of Session appeal was what started turning everything against them.

I'll just throw in another small rules detail. The SFL requires a two year period of notice for a member to leave. The only documented exception to this is a club entering the SPL as 1st division champions. Neither Dunfermline nor Dundee meet this condition so they have to stay in the SFL next season unless compensation for breach of the notice period is paid.
03-07-2012, 02:03 PM
SurferRosa

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

Fixed that for you. :greengrin

:aok:

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Originally Posted by NJ Hibee

Newco will go into Division 3 - but avoid transfer ban - have they not just signed two players over the last few days anyway :confused:

I think they can sign, or re-sign, players that are already there.
03-07-2012, 02:07 PM
alfie

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Originally Posted by RossHibs

I think they can sign, or re-sign, players that are already there.

RFC can re-sign any existing contracted players, Sevco are a new team and dont have any sanctions against them. Unless I'm very much mistaken? :confused:
03-07-2012, 02:11 PM
AllyT

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Originally Posted by alfie

RFC can re-sign any existing contracted players, Sevco are a new team and dont have any sanctions against them. Unless I'm very much mistaken? :confused:

Surely they need an SFA licence or something to be able to sign players? If so do they have one?
03-07-2012, 02:14 PM
alfie

I assume that they can give a player a contract - like any other employee, but as they aren't a member of the SFA, they cant register any players with the SFA, or play in any matches under SFA jurisdiction (e.g. SFL). It's a quandary wrapped up in an enigma! :wink:
03-07-2012, 02:17 PM
John_the_angus_hibby

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Originally Posted by ballengeich

Rangers' psychological ineptitude has been remarkable. If this type of apology had come as soon as Green took over and been accompanied by the "concessions" he's apparently now offering then Rangers would be looking at a yes from the SPL tomorrow. At least some of the players who've left would still be at Ibrox and he could have sold a few to keep the cash-flow moving.

All that was needed to keep the SPL chairmen onside was a statement that the club was sorry about the behaviour of the previous owner - not in keeping with the club's values blah blah - we accept the transfer ban punishment waffle waffle etc etc. I think the Court of Session appeal was what started turning everything against them.

I'll just throw in another small rules detail. The SFL requires a two year period of notice for a member to leave. The only documented exception to this is a club entering the SPL as 1st division champions. Neither Dunfermline nor Dundee meet this condition so they have to stay in the SFL next season unless compensation for breach of the notice period is paid.

This has been a massive fail and one that will haunt them and the game. If this had been the public position and if they took leadership in demonstrating contrition with the argument of trying to achieve that and limiting the financial blow back on the league, then they may have mitigated a huge level of opinion forming against them. The demented fans take their lead from the numpties who run them.

But when you see the ex players, ex suckers at the teats (wedgia) and the sort of guys who are attracted to run them, such an early apology was impossible as it goes against everything they believe. Their RIGHT to lord over everyone else.

Damn them.
03-07-2012, 02:20 PM
lapsedhibee

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Originally Posted by alfie

I assume that they can give a player a contract - like any other employee, but as they aren't a member of the SFA, they cant register any players with the SFA, or play in any matches under SFA jurisdiction (e.g. SFL). It's a quandary wrapped up in an enigma! :wink:

What's Sandy Jardine's take on this? He's the razor-sharp analyst I'd always look to for clarity.
03-07-2012, 02:24 PM
alfie

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Originally Posted by reallapsedhibee

What's Sandy Jardine's take on this? He's the razor-sharp analyst I'd always look to for clarity.

I know he would be the first person I would call if I had any questions about TUPE regulations or contract issues! :agree:
03-07-2012, 02:36 PM
Saorsa

Excellent statement from Stranraer FC :top marksIt's a pity the people at the top of our game have nae such integrity. The people at the top end just make speeches about it tae try and pull the wool over folks eyes tae get them tae part with their money but they have nae ****in' idea what it is. At least the shyster running Killie was honest if nothing else, he openly admitted that money and greed are more important than doing the right thing, as for the rest of them :bitchy:
03-07-2012, 02:45 PM
Dashing Bob S

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Originally Posted by John_the_angus_hibby

This has been a massive fail and one that will haunt them and the game. If this had been the public position and if they took leadership in demonstrating contrition with the argument of trying to achieve that and limiting the financial blow back on the league, then they may have mitigated a huge level of opinion forming against them. The demented fans take their lead from the numpties who run them.

But when you see the ex players, ex suckers at the teats (wedgia) and the sort of guys who are attracted to run them, such an early apology was impossible as it goes against everything they believe. Their RIGHT to lord over everyone else.

Damn them.

Yes. They completely fell on the sword of their own arrogance and sense of entitlement. If they'd had the savvy to say this at the start, they probably would have stood a good chance. But the numpty tendency attached to the club made it completely impossible to issue such words (as patently insincere as they are) without being slapped down first.

I some ways its even more pathetic to such grovelling transparently opportunistic politicking. Much too little, far too late.
03-07-2012, 02:45 PM
Saorsa

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Originally Posted by NJ Hibee

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/r...ers-situation/

Video of Raith Director saying the SFA / SPL the game is corrupt

I'd like tae see anybody make a case against that.
03-07-2012, 02:51 PM
green glory

16 of the 30 clubs required to vote yes if Newhun to get into SFL1.

https://twitter.com/bbcchrismclaug/s...67454851207168
03-07-2012, 02:53 PM
--------

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Originally Posted by Pitlochry hibee

I wish to state, publicly if the Newco Rangers do not end up in SFL division 3 (or lower) my support will transfer to my local team.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/danielcrowe/History.html

The player profiles are worth a read

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/danielc...rentSquad.html

Jimmy Murray is 'local hero'

:not worth:not worth:not worth:not worth:not worth
03-07-2012, 02:54 PM
SneakersO'Toole

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Originally Posted by green glory

16 of the 30 clubs required to vote yes if Newhun to get into SFL1.

https://twitter.com/bbcchrismclaug/s...67454851207168

Is that voting ratio actually written into the rules or is this another thing being made up by the Doncaster and Co to save Rangers?

16 out of 30 isn't much of a majority in my book.
03-07-2012, 02:57 PM
blackpoolhibs

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Originally Posted by green glory

16 of the 30 clubs required to vote yes if Newhun to get into SFL1.

https://twitter.com/bbcchrismclaug/s...67454851207168

That cant be right, surely it should be 28-2?
03-07-2012, 02:58 PM
yeezus.

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Originally Posted by Desperate Dan

Excellent statement from Stranraer FC :top marksIt's a pity the people at the top of our game have nae such integrity. The people at the top end just make speeches about it tae try and pull the wool over folks eyes tae get them tae part with their money but they have nae ****in' idea what it is. At least the shyster running Killie was honest if nothing else, he openly admitted that money and greed are more important than doing the right thing, as for the rest of them :bitchy:

:thumbsup:the wee toon has suffered enough at the hands of Rangers anyway. Great statement.

http://www.stranraerfc.org/index.php...club-statement
03-07-2012, 03:03 PM
Part/Time Supporter

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Originally Posted by SneakersO'Toole

Is that voting ratio actually written into the rules or is this another thing being made up by the Doncaster and Co to save Rangers?

16 out of 30 isn't much of a majority in my book.

Looks like the rules are being bent at least. The draft proposal on Friday talked about play-offs from SFL1 to the SPL, which would involve reconstruction. That definitely needs a 2/3 majority. If they've taken that out of the proposal to just make it a 50%+1 vote, then the proposal is a lot less attractive to First Division clubs.
03-07-2012, 03:04 PM
HFC 0-7

Sky previously came out and said they wouldn't walk away from Scottish football, but they would want re negotiate the deal if rangers were not in the league. So it would seem that Doncaster and the rest of them are basing it on sky re negotiating the rights and buying them for nothing! Still concerned that Doncaster would accept that!
03-07-2012, 03:10 PM
yeezus.

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Originally Posted by hibs13681

Sky previously came out and said they wouldn't walk away from Scottish football, but they would want re negotiate the deal if rangers were not in the league. So it would seem that Doncaster and the rest of them are basing it on sky re negotiating the rights and buying them for nothing! Still concerned that Doncaster would accept that!

:agree: The scaremongering that Rangers fans are embarking on is unbelievable. I didn't realise that Sky would renegotiate..
03-07-2012, 03:10 PM
RyeSloan

WTF has New Rangers got to do with Doncaster now anyway? He's in charge of the SPL...his league has lost a club, he should just focus on replacing them with the team that finished 2nd in the SFL1 and let the SFL sort out who replaces them.

He's totally overstepping his remit and you can bet every last pound you have that this is only because it's Rangers (although it's not Rangers cause they are deid, its Servco and the sooner people start understanding that the better!!)

Erse.
03-07-2012, 03:11 PM
Waxy

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Originally Posted by Stevie Reid

Jim Spence ‏@bbcjimspence
Up to 6 SPL clubs at risk according to Stewart Regan. Sounds like option being presented is first division or nothing

Yeah Regan.Six more clubs at risk of going into liquidation and getting away with it if sevco are voted into the SPL from nowhere.WHAT PLANET ARE THESE GUYS ON?
03-07-2012, 03:18 PM
Moulin Yarns

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Originally Posted by SneakersO'Toole

Is that voting ratio actually written into the rules or is this another thing being made up by the Doncaster and Co to save Rangers?

16 out of 30 isn't much of a majority in my book.

Just been all the way through their rules and NOWHERE does it have a 16/30 vote, it does refere to a 75% majority.

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