Hibs 18's and Development

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Originally Posted by chippy

Maybe Steve Kean is the man for DoF after all. Kudos if he can get Murray and perhaps others to sign up

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It’s quite funny when you think of the reputation he had when he joined - previous clubs fans slating him etc.

Since joining he’s done a brilliant job and I’ve only heard really good things about him. Also think he comes across really well in interviews

It would be easy for someone in house to think he is doing a good job and deserves a promotion to either DoF or manager and tbf you could see why if they did.

I hope he stays where he is though and helps continue the development of our youngsters and bridge the gap.

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Originally Posted by Tambo

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...201718-4121606

Five years ago this week, the Hibs development side completed a league and cup double when they defeated Aberdeen 3-1 at Hampden Park – the club’s first Youth Cup win in almost a decade.

I can't really remember if Donaldson or Waugh were giving much of a chance but the rest of the starting 11 was giving a chance(not so much Stirling) in the first team.

LJ needs to give some of the current lads a chance next season.

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In that EEN article only 2 of the 21 listed,Porteous and Campbell established themselves as first team regulars.

Does the Hibs development and coaching staff consider this to be acceptable to achieve a circa 10% return on developing youth players ?

I’m not sure about it.

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Originally Posted by Highwayman

In that EEN article only 2 of the 21 listed,Porteous and Campbell established themselves as first team regulars.

Does the Hibs development and coaching staff consider this to be acceptable to achieve a circa 10% return on developing youth players ?

I’m not sure about it.

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I have a friend who is a coach at a very well known EPL team academy. They have done their job if two academy products get squad numbers a season. Which they usually do for the preseason tours at least.

Now granted, they have a far higher standard of football to enter but considering the size and cost of their academy it's quite ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Highwayman

In that EEN article only 2 of the 21 listed,Porteous and Campbell established themselves as first team regulars.

Does the Hibs development and coaching staff consider this to be acceptable to achieve a circa 10% return on developing youth players ?

I’m not sure about it.

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It's higher than a lot of clubs tbh!

There is thinning out at every age group.

I went to Liberton and the school had a great teams around my age (not me !).

Quite a few were signed, Hearts, Dundee Utd, Rangers. There was a lot of excitement about those guys.

None made it.

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Originally Posted by green day

It's higher than a lot of clubs tbh!

There is thinning out at every age group.

I went to Liberton and the school had a great teams around my age (not me !).

Quite a few were signed, Hearts, Dundee Utd, Rangers. There was a lot of excitement about those guys.

None made it.

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Averages, averages…….but there will be some years you might get 3 or 4 or 5. Think the golden generation

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Originally Posted by Highwayman

In that EEN article only 2 of the 21 listed,Porteous and Campbell established themselves as first team regulars.

Does the Hibs development and coaching staff consider this to be acceptable to achieve a circa 10% return on developing youth players ?

I’m not sure about it.

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Going forward it might be hard to achieve even that. It's nothing to an EPL club to spend a few hundred k on a 16 year old with potential these days, we've seen it happen a lot recently and it's one reason why clubs aren't getting as many youth players into their first teams becuase they've already lost the picks of the bunch.

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Originally Posted by Highwayman

In that EEN article only 2 of the 21 listed,Porteous and Campbell established themselves as first team regulars.

Does the Hibs development and coaching staff consider this to be acceptable to achieve a circa 10% return on developing youth players ?

I’m not sure about it.

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Yes 2 out of 21 is not great but not every player will make it at this level.

The only point I was making in my original post was they was giving a chance to see if they could make it which is what a lot of people have been asking for this season.

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Originally Posted by Highwayman

In that EEN article only 2 of the 21 listed,Porteous and Campbell established themselves as first team regulars.

Does the Hibs development and coaching staff consider this to be acceptable to achieve a circa 10% return on developing youth players ?

I’m not sure about it.

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I’d actually argue it’s a very good return.

Porteous was a quality youth product who we should have made millions on. Instead we got a lot of games from him, a couple of hundred thousand but the % of a sell on fee will hopefully be huge.

Campbell has played a lot for the first team and was subject to bids in January and likely more bids in the summer.

Shaw played a good amount of games for us, scoring important goals and we ended up selling him for money.

Murray and Gullan both played a handful of times for the first team before going to championship clubs.

It’s not just what Hibs get from them, but what they get from Hibs.

Any young player will look at the list and think they gave them a chance, some have went on again and the others are still playing at a decent level in Scotland.

If from our current batch we get a similar return I imagine that will be considered a success.

Josh Doig not included? Apologies if already been covered.

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Originally Posted by Blaster

Josh Doig not included? Apologies if already been covered.

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He didn’t play in the double winning team, which I think the article was about

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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

He didn’t play in the double winning team, which I think the article was about

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Cheers Billy 👍

Good article with Trent Alexander Arnold this morning, focussing on those who drop out of academies and miss out on professional football completely.

One of the worst parts was later when he says that many players are strung along when in reality the coaches know they probably wont make it - and they are only kept on to make numbers up for the one or two real "talents" in the group.

https://www.theguardian.com/football...talent-machine

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Originally Posted by green day

Good article with Trent Alexander Arnold this morning, focussing on those who drop out of academies and miss out on professional football completely.

One of the worst parts was later when he says that many players are strung along when in reality the coaches know they probably wont make it - and they are only kept on to make numbers up for the one or two real "talents" in the group.

https://www.theguardian.com/football...talent-machine

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Excellent article the intensity of it during teenage and exam years genuinely seems insane and too pressured however may just be what is required to reach that level. Definitely should be more in place for the as Trent says the vast vast majority of players who don't make it. Doesn't seem fair that the schooling seems to be very minimal during exam periods. Clubs should be forced to take more responsibility with giving academy players the skills and qualifications for alternate careers.

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Originally Posted by green day

Good article with Trent Alexander Arnold this morning, focussing on those who drop out of academies and miss out on professional football completely.

One of the worst parts was later when he says that many players are strung along when in reality the coaches know they probably wont make it - and they are only kept on to make numbers up for the one or two real "talents" in the group.

https://www.theguardian.com/football...talent-machine

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Which is something to be borne in mind when discussing the B teams. Will quote you in that thread as the point is more relevant there.

Decent interview with Steve Kean on the Youth football podcast:
https://podcast.yfsmedia.net/episodes

Hibernian’s Under-18s drew 2-2 with St Mirren on Friday night in their latest CAS U18 Elite League.

This was the second game for the youngsters against the Paisley side this week, and once again they got off to a good start as Dean Clelland put our Wee Hibees ahead.

St Mirren, however, hit back scoring from two set pieces. Both came from corners and in-swinging balls into the youngsters’ penalty area.

Those goals didn’t deter our youngsters, though, as they kept pushing and looking for a way back into the game. Dean Clelland slipped the ball through to Rudi Molotnikov, who ran through on goal, and cut the ball back to Clelland who made no mistake.

The game finished 2-2, however, there was a dismissal after the game with Owen Hastie seeing red.


Wee match report from Friday, Rudi!! With the assist, looking forward to watching him for the Scotland u17's in the euros this summer, if he gets picked which he should. Jacob also.

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Originally Posted by Tambo

Hibernian’s Under-18s drew 2-2 with St Mirren on Friday night in their latest CAS U18 Elite League.

This was the second game for the youngsters against the Paisley side this week, and once again they got off to a good start as Dean Clelland put our Wee Hibees ahead.

St Mirren, however, hit back scoring from two set pieces. Both came from corners and in-swinging balls into the youngsters’ penalty area.8

Those goals didn’t deter our youngsters, though, as they kept pushing and looking for a way back into the game. Dean Clelland slipped the ball through to Rudi Molotnikov, who ran through on goal, and cut the ball back to Clelland who made no mistake.

The game finished 2-2, however, there was a dismissal after the game with Owen Hastie seeing red.


Wee match report from Friday, Rudi!! With the assist, looking forward to watching him for the Scotland u17's in the euros this summer, if he gets picked which he should. Jacob also.

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See development team playing at East Mains on Tuesday against Middlesbrough 13:00 hrs. Can anyone get to see this game

Club website says 2pm ko

“The game will kick-off at 2pm tomorrow (2 May, 2023) at the Hibernian Training Centre. Supporters can attend the game for FREE!”

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Originally Posted by green day

Good article with Trent Alexander Arnold this morning, focussing on those who drop out of academies and miss out on professional football completely.

One of the worst parts was later when he says that many players are strung along when in reality the coaches know they probably wont make it - and they are only kept on to make numbers up for the one or two real "talents" in the group.

https://www.theguardian.com/football...talent-machine

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Yes, that's a part people don't like to talk about in youth development. They need 18 players in a squad but realistically only 1 or 2 have any chance (maybe!) Of making it.

A coach at a now championship side (were EPL at the time) told me once that out of the 100s of kids in their academy only one "had a realistic chance but it won't be at our level" when I asked why they bother he said "we get paid to have them and we (the first team) need them to be able qualify for europe."

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Originally Posted by Haymaker

Yes, that's a part people don't like to talk about in youth development. They need 18 players in a squad but realistically only 1 or 2 have any chance (maybe!) Of making it.

A coach at a now championship side (were EPL at the time) told me once that out of the 100s of kids in their academy only one "had a realistic chance but it won't be at our level" when I asked why they bother he said "we get paid to have them and we (the first team) need them to be able qualify for europe."

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That's why kids should be left alone and brought in on trial at ages 16-18.
Massive commitment from them and the parents and it shouldn't interfere with school either.
Let them play and grow, I find it ridiculous how they can discard kids at a young age.

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Originally Posted by King conrad

That's why kids should be left alone and brought in on trial at ages 16-18.
Massive commitment from them and the parents and it shouldn't interfere with school either.
Let them play and grow, I find it ridiculous how they can discard kids at a young age.

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I also think the money should be invested into grassroots football, Give them pitches worth playing on and better facilities to train.

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Originally Posted by King conrad

I also think the money should be invested into grassroots football, Give them pitches worth playing on and better facilities to train.

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More indoor pitches would help too

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Originally Posted by King conrad

That's why kids should be left alone and brought in on trial at ages 16-18.
Massive commitment from them and the parents and it shouldn't interfere with school either.
Let them play and grow, I find it ridiculous how they can discard kids at a young age.

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Firm agree on that.

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Originally Posted by Pete70

Club website says 2pm ko

“The game will kick-off at 2pm tomorrow (2 May, 2023) at the Hibernian Training Centre. Supporters can attend the game for FREE!”

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What's the score re parking at EM for such games? Thinking more of Friday night's U18 match v the Tic.

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Originally Posted by Pete70

Club website says 2pm ko

“The game will kick-off at 2pm tomorrow (2 May, 2023) at the Hibernian Training Centre. Supporters can attend the game for FREE!”

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Thanks for that

Anyone at East Mains this afternoon watching?

1-0 to Hibs at half time, Hauge from a pen, won by O'Connor

McClelland is getting some great experience playing partner to big Daz in central defence, he will be becoming a better player. The Dev squad is looking quite good now, there are some U18 and U17 in it along with the players we bought to develop, ie Delferrerie,Hauge & McClelland. We constantly put in good performances against EPL U23 and U21 sides.

2 nil. O'connor header from a Megwa cross.

Does Runar look like he's going to have something to offer next season?

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Originally Posted by Jones28

Does Runar look like he's going to have something to offer next season?

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He played well, he was replaced after 60 minutes. 3 nil Hibs, O’Connor with the 3rd after being put through by Laidlaw.