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You called? :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
The post you replied to did not mention Labour.
Tories are possessed by independence. They have no policies at all apart from "stop the SNP". Maybe that's unfair, because they are also hardwired into making the rich richer but they just do that regardless of electoral contract.
They're just "stop the.....[insert appropriate culture war bogeyman here]...!Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
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https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/peter-murrell-legal-fees/
Have to say I agree with these MSP’s. I don’t see how the SNP can pay these legal fees when it’s possible the SNP are the victim as well? It seems like a huge conflict of interest?
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Aye, he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
£250 a month to be a member of the SNP?? No wonder membership is plummeting. Or is this some sort of higher fee for MSPs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
It's for members of Parliament, not ordinary members.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
The public paid Johnson's legal fees for defending his recent investigation into misleading Parliament. Maybe Murrell's legal fees should be paid by the taxpayer too?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I didn't know Murrell was an MSP. I didn't know Murrell was being investigated by the Scottish Parliament. I don't think Johnson's legal fees should have been paid, though I suspect it was because it was in his Ministerial role. Did Nicola get hers paid when she was investigated?Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
He could sell his camper van to cover his legal fees :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by archie
He'll naturally be chuffed at what's come to pass after the months/years he's spent writing about the rot at the heart of the SNP, but this is a decent overview of the whole mess:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiber-nation
https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-pa...r/#more-136844
"Decent overview".Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Posts link to deranged individual from Bath.
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https://i0.wp.com/wingsoverscotland....60%2C141&ssl=1Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
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Originally Posted by Hiber-nation
I heard from a totally unreliable source that not only was NS gay , so is Mr Murrell.
They had what was called a lavender wedding :greengrin
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavender_marriage
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...inners-3271299
If the police keep talking to the press like this then they are going to hobble their own investigation.
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Originally Posted by He's here!
https://twitter.com/AnasSarwar/statu...391840769?s=20Quote:
Originally Posted by Anas Sarwar
Maybe Indyref2 is hiding in the campervan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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It is pretty clear what happened. Whether it’s criminal or not is debatable. I doubt if there is anything to make a prosecution likely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
That was buried in a time capsule in the garden.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
Is this meant to be funny or something? Some weird stuff on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
That's an article from two years ago?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
That’s not what I meant to share. Bugger. Will have to look out the other one now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
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Was that what they were digging upQuote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
https://youtube.com/shorts/1wRScH57RfA?feature=share
NS observed by members of the press arriving at her home after a driving lesson.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/p...-home-29672937
How dare she!
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She’s gone too far this time.[emoji35]Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
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Looks like the wedding ring might be back on her finger in the driving lesson pics?Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...er-murrell-snp
What license will she need to drive that camper bus?Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
I tend to be a bit sceptical of the Express but I note they're claiming Sturgeon is set to step down as an MSP. Might not be wildly off the mark.
That would add another twist to the SNP saga :agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
I think that’s pretty likely as well. I think it would have happened by now but for the polls just now.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
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There was a lot of twitter chatter last night, which is where I suspect they sourced it from.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
😂Quote:
Originally Posted by degenerated
Why? She was FM, what can she do now that's more important. She spoke about working in children's charities. Calling it a twist is pure trolling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
Come on, he never used the word “nippy” or “krankie” in his post. It’s a start.Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
23 years as an MSP and 9 as FM, did he think she was just going sit on the back benches doing nowt but like trying to have a wee dig eh.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeeRussell
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...lands-65237610
I'm very surprised Yousaf hasn't put addressing this fiasco higher up his agenda. Not appointing a transport minister to his cabinet seems baffling. Or does he calculate that the number of voters affected means it's not a pressing issue?
Prioritising a GRA court challenge which most voters would rather see quietly forgotten about seems bizarre (or at best a deflection from the current SNP turmoil).
He appears to be drifting just now, not sure what to do. The mistake of not bringing Forbes into govt has proven to be a disaster for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
At some point soon, that side of the party are going to rebel and he will lose a vote. Probably on marine protected areas. There are about 16 MSP’s likely to vote against that. The greens only contribute 8 MSP’s to the coalition. It would be madness to try proceed with this and back 8 MSP’s from another party against 16 of your own. If he pulls it then the Bute house agreement falls. That is much preferable than splitting your own party.
He doesn’t appear to have thought all this through. He needs to start looking at the numbers and realise that the greens have to go. Will he do that? Right now he is a bit like a deer in the headlights.
He needs to start making moves soon.
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Yousaf saying auditors actually stopped being involved at the end of 2022...calls the situation "problematic".
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcas...=1000607736368
Stephen Flynn comes across poorly here.
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SNP auditors quit six months ago and First Minister Humza Yousaf did not know until becoming party leader | STV NewsQuote:
Originally Posted by LewysGot2
And he had no idea until now! Extraordinary.
I note that further down the story he's confirmed they won't be suspending Murrell but neither will they be paying his legal fees.
So if it’s not pro SNP it’s trolling …patheticQuote:
Originally Posted by J-C
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...yousaf-4099634
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Is it not only important to have auditors when you're getting your accounts done though ie the last auditors finishing up 6 months ago isn't really news or something to be alarmed about - unless they're not replaced at the appropriate time when the accounts are next done, presumably within the next 6 months?
(CWG????)
No, they should be in by now as accounts needs presented in July. There is no getting away from the fact that this is a cluster**** and that it needs someone to get a grip of it pronto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
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Not really, I was just surprised you didn't use the usual names for her that you normally call her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
I'll ask again, why would Sturgeon stepping down be another twist, it's probably the most logical and unexpected thing that will happen within the SNP, many years serving the party and the country and you see it as a twist. :confused:
If she does it soon it'll be a twist as people will be interested in how the SNP would do, like Rutherglen. I suspect she will wait until the next election though. I'm sure she'll get a much bigger wedge elsewhere and good on herQuote:
Originally Posted by J-C
I would expect normal (does a political party count as that?) practice would be to have tendered and replaced the auditors as opposed to going half the year without any appointed. Although they're only useful (subjective :wink: ) for a limited time of the year as you point out - I wouldn't know when that would typically be in the year but would have thought before now if accounts are due in July.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
I would also expect that to be led by the company rather than the auditors resigning.
Could all be different in the sphere of political parties though!
Because after she stepped down as FM she stated she will be a back bench MSP, then if the Express story is true and she resigns her seat prior to the next election it adds a twist to her fall from power. Or is this also trollingQuote:
Originally Posted by J-C
She didn't fall from power, she stepped down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
Its starting to become harder and harder to believe that the power couple in Scotland for so long weren't pushed out by forces beyond their control. A fall from power may turn out to be a fair assessment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
Possibly, but that's speculation that may or may not come to pass.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
As it stands with the information we have at the moment, she stood down rather than being pushed or "falling".
I'd say that it's more obvious that the jury is definitely out now on the stepped down v jumped scenario...if you'll pardon the pun. If she didn't know some of this stuff then, as leader of the party it was remiss (that's being kind). If she knew...that's a whole different ball game.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
Sounds like zero governance. Too much control and power held by the CEO and the "board" or relevant committee not holding him to account.
The President (chair) should know that the auditors have resigned and ask for work to be put in place for new ones to be appointed or tendered for.
And I would think that there would be no way that other members, MSPs and the FM didn't know about this.
I'd be very surprised if she sees stepping down as an MSP as 'logical' right now. Subjecting her party to a by-election in the current climate is the last thing they need. Her intention, reading between the lines of her resignation speech, was to step down at the next Holyrood election. Going now would smack of jumping before pushed.Quote:
Originally Posted by J-C
I thought Flynn came out OK. He was willing to go slightly further than the normal politicians answers without crossing any lines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
https://mobile.twitter.com/magnuslle...31354024591386
TimesEditorScotland
@magnusllewellin
🔺Revealed: The SNP kept the resignation of the party’s auditors secret from its own ruling council
https://twitter.com/_kateforbes/stat...dxJXScFNwz8V4A
Forbes on marine protected zones.
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The NEC elections will be interesting next time out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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https://twitter.com/_kateforbes/stat...dxJXScFNwz8V4A
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Some pretty weird replies to Forbes. Especially those who think her role as finance minister included the finances of the snp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Everything about Murrell's stewardship of the party is really coming out in the wash now. Hard to imagine that Sturgeon can emerge from all this with her reputation anything other than heavily tarnished (and quite possibly worse). The 'I wasn't aware' card has already been overplayed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
She does suffer with selective amnesia ….she probably forgotQuote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Forbes doing more to keep party together than Humza at this stage. Self interest at play as well. She needs her supporters to stay members.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
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Snp can't get an auditor, Humza said today he won't divulge why they quit
https://mobile.twitter.com/ConnorGil...74471121883141
@ConnorGillies
NEW: SNP contact Electoral Commission over “difficulty” finding replacement auditors as deadline for finances looms.
@SkyNews
understands accountants Johnston Carmichael resigned in Sept. Earlier the FM said it was “around Oct”.
Former auditors apparently “raised no concerns
He had almost a week to divulge they’d quit ‘around October’ (actually September) and didn’t. He does find it easier to promise more transparency than deliver it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...iftigniter-rhr
One rule for Murrell and one rule for Michelle Thomson?
So the motor home parked at Murrell’s mum was actually the SNP Battle Bus https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/p...paign=sharebar
:faf:you could not make this up
It will be interesting to see who owned it? If it’s the SNP then it should be returned, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
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Absolutely, the Log book should show registered keeper and if an SNP asset then it will be on the SNP accounts. Their accountant or fund manager should know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
The accounts show a vehicle/vehicles being bought during 2021.
Book value at the end of the year £80,632. Assuming depreciation of 25%, that means it/they cost £107k.
Sounds like that’s the very vehicle. Hopefully it can now be sold and the money returned to the party. By all accounts it’s unused and they hold their value better than most vehicles so the loss shouldn’t be too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
As far as Murrell goes, unless he has been using it privately then there should not be any legal jeopardy for him over that?
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The DR piece suggests it hasn't moved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I wonder what the parking or storage costs would have been for the 2 years they've owned it.
They should have sold it when it was clear it wasn't getting used as pandemic housing. It was years ago that hotels opened up and it was clearly unneeded. Bizarre episode
What is bizarre is why the police would lift it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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Both sides of the story are bizarre. Wonder if it will be sold on the proceeds of crime act if found it was money for independence campaign that bought it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Could be attempted theft IF there is evidence that he obtained the motor home with SNP funds with the intention of keeping it. Either way it would not be sold under the proceeds of crime act as there is a lawful owner.
I doubt that. If they were going to charge that then surely they could have done that already? Besides, the van could count as an expense towards the Indy campaign anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
I’m wondering what seizing the van achieved? Unless Murrell registered it in his own name?
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Or the SNP requested the return of their propertyQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
It looks as if it's in the accounts. If it is, the auditors would have seen the VRD, the invoice, and the vehicle itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I'm trying to remain open minded about this all (as I did during the Salmond affair) but I must admit I'm still waiting for any smoking guns to turn up and prove beyond doubt that the SNP are shower of total wrong 'uns.
Nobody is suggesting that the SNP are a shower of total wrong uns…..just Murrell and possibly Sturgeon….I can offer over 600,000 smoking guns that are being investigatedQuote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
Yousaf going to court. Fool.
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He'll be out by Christmas. Who is advising him is it the same advisor's as Sturgeon had the last 12 months. No wonder Kate forbes is putting out press interviews recently. It's like Humza has deliberately self destroyed his first 2 weeks in officeQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Being investigated... as it should.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
I've always been more "innocent until proven guilty" than "no smoke without fire" though.
I think there will at least be a charge. Police Scotland have went in with both feet here and they will need to find something to justify their approach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
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Wrong again this is a Procurator Fiscal lead enquiry and they will decide what if any charges will be brought. Police on this enquiry are solely evidence gathers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
What an eejit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
The Motor home was just resting on my Mother’s driveway. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
I would say that the way they have gathered their evidence seems to be a bit heavy handed? Maybe not, we won’t know until the charges are brought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
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Trying hard to keep the greens happy when the the non hardcore element of the SNPs vote is looking more flimsy by the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
https://i0.wp.com/wingsoverscotland....60%2C205&ssl=1Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul1642
But hey, instead I'll prioritise this instead:
https://i0.wp.com/wingsoverscotland....460%2C90&ssl=1
Jose Mourinho probably parked it in their driveway. 😊Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
https://twitter.com/scott_wortley/st...dxJXScFNwz8V4A
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The battlebus I guess is plausible. You can pick so many holes in that thought but it could be true.
It is odd that the cost of the battlebus is pretty much the same as the loan
Yousaf has a big job on his hands now. Even bigger than the job he applied for.
His S35 legal challenge is going to push him further away from the voters he needs to connect with in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
Suggestions would be that PM lent the party the money to buy the bus, or bought it himself (in January, IIRC), and transferred the ownership later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
I'm going for the latter, as the accounts suggest the cash for the bus purchase didn't come directly from the party.
Again, nothing illegal there.
It isn’t exactly normal practice though is it. And it appears very few we’re aware of this either. Or they are not admitting they were aware.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
It's fairly common tbf.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
I've no idea who knew.
So far, it’s shaping up much like the Salmond case. Lots of iffy behaviour but nothing that looks illegal.
Hopefully it won’t have to go as far as that one did.
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Damage is done, as they say, no one notices the retraction in a newspaper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
People think Salmond is sleazy now and will think Murrell/SNP were dodgy. Party would be better to distance from the past totally, an unbelievably poor 6 months and can't see a different trajectory the next 6.