Winter 2021-22 transfer thread

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Originally Posted by Highwayman

I’ve been impressed by what I’ve seen of Charles Cook. so far.

Also wondered what he could achieve playing with better quality players.

If Hibs have an interest in him they’d better move fast as I would consider there will be more than a few clubs after him.

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Definitely. He has plenty of energy (something we are really lacking)

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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

Why is Mueller not up to speed?
The American guy rangers signed, joined them last week and played last night for them

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Mueller has not long finished a full season in the MLS and was told to rest after it. It is now effectively pre-season for him and he is therefore probably still getting up to speed. We wouldn't give players just a couple of weeks of training and 60 minutes in a bounce game and expect that to be enough for them to be ready to play at Parkhead 1st game of the season.

Just look at Kyogo at Celtic, he has been playing since Feb 2021 without a break and has recently been in and out with injuries having come back, probably too early, against us in the cup final and then aggravating his hamstring injury a week later v St Johnstone. We need to carefully manage Mueller's introduction to the team so the same doesn't happen to him.

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Originally Posted by Winston Ingram

He's not doing anything well and he's still playing.

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Why is that?

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

Why is that?

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Mixture of things i think.

Technically, his first touch and hold-up play has never been particularly good but I think it's mainly down to attitude.

People are saying his confidence is low, which it probably is but you don't need confidence to work hard.

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Originally Posted by 007

Mueller has not long finished a full season in the MLS and was told to rest after it. It is now effectively pre-season for him and he is therefore probably still getting up to speed. We wouldn't give players just a couple of weeks of training and 60 minutes in a bounce game and expect that to be enough for them to be ready to play at Parkhead 1st game of the season.

Just look at Kyogo at Celtic, he has been playing since Feb 2021 without a break and has recently been in and out with injuries having come back, probably too early, against us in the cup final and then aggravating his hamstring injury a week later v St Johnstone. We need to carefully manage Mueller's introduction to the team so the same doesn't happen to him.

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Good point.

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Originally Posted by Since90+2

I'm not sure we can still say Nisbet's poor performance are down to a lack of form. He's played pretty poorly for over a year now.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing but that combined £5 million or so we reportedly got offered for him and Doig looks a terrible decision to turn down. We can thank Mathie for that.

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Our new Manager pretty much said Nisbet won us the game at Tannadice. That was 2 games ago. We may end up genuinely thanking Mathie, if indeed it was him, for turning down £5m, again, if it was that sum.

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Originally Posted by brog

Our new Manager pretty much said Nisbet won us the game at Tannadice. That was 2 games ago. We may end up genuinely thanking Mathie, if indeed it was him, for turning down £5m, again, if it was that sum.

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I think the £5m quoted was for both Doig and Nisbet combined, not a chance we would turn down £5m for anyone on our books

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Originally Posted by brog

Our new Manager pretty much said Nisbet won us the game at Tannadice. That was 2 games ago. We may end up genuinely thanking Mathie, if indeed it was him, for turning down £5m, again, if it was that sum.

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Nisbet's value has plummeted since that offer was made. We'd be lucky to get offered half of what we did back then.

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Originally Posted by Stanton Spence

I think the £5m quoted was for both Doig and Nisbet combined, not a chance we would turn down £5m for anyone on our books

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Of course we wouldn't. Even the suggestion we would knock back £5 million for Nisbet is ludicrous.

I would be very surprised if were not still in the market for more new faces. Also expecting 3-4 outgoings also.

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Originally Posted by Stanton Spence

I think the £5m quoted was for both Doig and Nisbet combined, not a chance we would turn down £5m for anyone on our books

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Yes, I know, it was shown on prior post. Apologies for not making it clear.

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Originally Posted by Winston Ingram

Mixture of things i think.

Technically, his first touch and hold-up play has never been particularly good but I think it's mainly down to attitude.

People are saying his confidence is low, which it probably is but you don't need confidence to work hard.

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But our coaching staff must disagree with all that. Especially the attitude or he would be dropped. Otherwise you are saying that the staff dont care about his "poor attitude".

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Originally Posted by Since90+2

Nisbet's value has plummeted since that offer was made. We'd be lucky to get offered half of what we did back then.

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That's good, it means he won't be going anywhere and he has a great incentive to improve his form.

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Originally Posted by Since90+2

Of course we wouldn't. Even the suggestion we would knock back £5 million for Nisbet is ludicrous.

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I didn't make that suggestion. I responded to your post where you quoted £5m for Nisbet and Doig combined. The 2 posts need to be read together.

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Originally Posted by brog

That's good, it means he won't be going anywhere and he has a great incentive to improve his form.

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It's good his value has plummeted?

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Originally Posted by brog

That's good, it means he won't be going anywhere and he has a great incentive to improve his form.

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He'll be back on loan at Dunfermline by July if he carries on at this rate.

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Originally Posted by brog

That's good, it means he won't be going anywhere and he has a great incentive to improve his form.

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Personally I feel a bit sorry for the boy and I really feel he'll come good in the not too distant future.

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Originally Posted by Brightside

But our coaching staff must disagree with all that. Especially the attitude or he would be dropped. Otherwise you are saying that the staff dont care about his "poor attitude".

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Must they? They were sacked and his car crash form had a major hand in that.

Our current coaching staff have only been in 3 games and I'm sure they have now seen enough to do something about it.

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Originally Posted by brog

Yes, I know, it was shown on prior post. Apologies for not making it clear.

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[emoji1303] No probs bud

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Originally Posted by Lago

Personally I feel a bit sorry for the boy and I really feel he'll come good in the not too distant future.

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I feel sorry for him in so much as it can’t be easy or pleasant to play through this loss of form with the glare of the public on you.

That sympathy is limited though, as I don’t think he does everything he can to help himself.

The striker role in this team is an important one. A lack of alternatives for the out of form Nisbet probably contributed as much as anything else to Jack Ross getting the bullet. The new coaching team will soon have alternatives - I’d be very surprised if Nisbet keeps his place for long if he doesn’t buck his ideas up big time.

He’s been a glaring weakness in our team for nearly a year.

I'm not getting this 'loss of form'.

It's more likely that this is his default level. A player can't simply be off from for a whole year or more.

There is no evidence whatsoever of the prediction "he will come good, only needs a goal".

That miss against Celtic seems to point some crazy idea that KN holds himself up as a gifted footballer, the way he attempted to score with the outside of his foot. I can think of no other striker who would have done anything like that.

Even a centre half would have just blasted it over the line, from what, 3 yards out?

Further back up for the default level is his continual one trick pony attempt at passing the ball into the net ala Mo Salah, but allowing the keeper to make an easy save, or missing the target completely.

Maybe we were fooled by his record in the 'we're no very good' leagues. And KN is in the 'he's no very good' class.

St Johnstone have made a bid for Allan Forrest of Livingston hoping to get him in this window as his contract expires in the summer.

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Originally Posted by Winston Ingram

Must they? They were sacked and his car crash form had a major hand in that.

Our current coaching staff have only been in 3 games and I'm sure they have now seen enough to do something about it.

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Lets see. Going with your thoughts on it they will have him on the transfer list now.

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Originally Posted by Brightside

Lets see. Going with your thoughts on it they will have him on the transfer list now.

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Incredible that his form has been so bad he retains a place in a decent international squad.

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

Incredible that his form has been so bad he retains a place in a decent international squad.

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Its amazing really. All these coaches must be blind. :confused:

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Originally Posted by Brightside

Lets see. Going with your thoughts on it they will have him on the transfer list now.

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I'm not sure they will as they'll know no one is coming in with an offer.

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

Incredible that his form has been so bad he retains a place in a decent international squad.

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Yep. Feverishly holding back the brutal competition from Eamon Brophy and Calum Paterson

Away from all the Kevin Nisbet chat

Really hope we’re still actively looking to strengthen the squad with some real quality that instantly improves the starting 11.

Also hoping a couple are moved on.

An interesting one for me is Hallberg, I think Maloney could be a fan of him.

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Originally Posted by Sioux

I'm not getting this 'loss of form'.

It's more likely that this is his default level. A player can't simply be off from for a whole year or more.

There is no evidence whatsoever of the prediction "he will come good, only needs a goal".

That miss against Celtic seems to point some crazy idea that KN holds himself up as a gifted footballer, the way he attempted to score with the outside of his foot. I can think of no other striker who would have done anything like that.

Even a centre half would have just blasted it over the line, from what, 3 yards out?

Further back up for the default level is his continual one trick pony attempt at passing the ball into the net ala Mo Salah, but allowing the keeper to make an easy save, or missing the target completely.

Maybe we were fooled by his record in the 'we're no very good' leagues. And KN is in the 'he's no very good' class.

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He's had 4 decent months and 12 bad months.

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Originally Posted by Winston Ingram

Yep. Feverishly holding back the brutal competition from Eamon Brophy and Calum Paterson

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Lol he really has shat in your chips at one point

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

Incredible that his form has been so bad he retains a place in a decent international squad.

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Not just retains, he was first picked 10 months ago (& been a regular ever since)despite several on here telling us he's been minging for at least a year!

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Originally Posted by brog

Not just retains, he was first picked 10 months ago (& been a regular ever since)despite several on here telling us he's been minging for at least a year!

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Yep some of the critique has been ridiculous

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Originally Posted by Since90+2

It's good his value has plummeted?

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Firstly, it's only your opinion his value has plummeted. Given he became a full internationalist after the Brum bid I'm not sure it has. Secondly. KN's contract has more than 2 years to run. A return to goalscoring form would help us on the pitch, increase his chances of a big move & see his value increase, a win/win/win.

Shame the way Nisbet is being spoken about. Nowhere near as bad as folk are making out imo.

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

Yep some of the critique has been ridiculous

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While I agree, he's hardly been turning in performances that you would think would lead to being in the national team.

He got in at the right time as part of a tight knit squad that now knows how to win. He got there initially on merit, but since then his performances for hibs have not been great. I want him to do well because we saw him score some great goals, but he doesn't seem capable of getting back to that level for whatever reason.

He must be great in training because Clarke likes him, Ross liked him, and Maloney hasn't dropped him yet, so he has something we arent seeing.

7 goals in 28 games isn't a great return, with a record like that in this league I don't think if he played for another team people would be falling over themselves to sign him.

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

Lol he really has shat in your chips at one point

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Yeah that’s it🙄

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Originally Posted by Winston Ingram

He's had 4 decent months and 12 bad months.

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Tony Watt has had 4 decent months in a decade and folk want to sign him.

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Originally Posted by Sioux

I'm not getting this 'loss of form'.

It's more likely that this is his default level. A player can't simply be off from for a whole year or more.

There is no evidence whatsoever of the prediction "he will come good, only needs a goal".

That miss against Celtic seems to point some crazy idea that KN holds himself up as a gifted footballer, the way he attempted to score with the outside of his foot. I can think of no other striker who would have done anything like that.

Even a centre half would have just blasted it over the line, from what, 3 yards out?

Further back up for the default level is his continual one trick pony attempt at passing the ball into the net ala Mo Salah, but allowing the keeper to make an easy save, or missing the target completely.

Maybe we were fooled by his record in the 'we're no very good' leagues. And KN is in the 'he's no very good' class.

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Spot on.

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Originally Posted by 500miles

Tony Watt has had 4 decent months in a decade and folk want to sign him.

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Eventually finds himself a club he seems ideally suited to then buggers off elsewhere at the first opportunity, for a bit more cash. Maybe if Motherwell hadn't offered every season ticket holder a free renewal, they might might have been able to keep Watt.

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Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES

Shame the way Nisbet is being spoken about. Nowhere near as bad as folk are making out imo.

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I put it down to the transfer request a year ago. Some folk cannot get over it, like a jilted lover. Do we know for sure that he actually put in a request? I only ever saw it in a "newspaper" which makes stuff up all the time to get clicks.

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Originally Posted by 007

I put it down to the transfer request a year ago. Some folk cannot get over it, like a jilted lover. Do we know for sure that he actually put in a request? I only ever saw it in a "newspaper" which makes stuff up all the time to get clicks.

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I'm just puting it down to using my eyes, but maybe thats a little too way out there for some folk to understand.

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Originally Posted by Sioux

I'm not getting this 'loss of form'.

It's more likely that this is his default level. A player can't simply be off from for a whole year or more.

There is no evidence whatsoever of the prediction "he will come good, only needs a goal".

That miss against Celtic seems to point some crazy idea that KN holds himself up as a gifted footballer, the way he attempted to score with the outside of his foot. I can think of no other striker who would have done anything like that.

Even a centre half would have just blasted it over the line, from what, 3 yards out?

Further back up for the default level is his continual one trick pony attempt at passing the ball into the net ala Mo Salah, but allowing the keeper to make an easy save, or missing the target completely.

Maybe we were fooled by his record in the 'we're no very good' leagues. And KN is in the 'he's no very good' class.

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100% correct in everything you say.

His “attempt” was pathetic. Also on your point regarding passing it into the net, he never seems to strike a ball with the laces, very odd for a “striker”

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Originally Posted by 500miles

Tony Watt has had 4 decent months in a decade and folk want to sign him.

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…and?

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Originally Posted by 007

I put it down to the transfer request a year ago. Some folk cannot get over it, like a jilted lover. Do we know for sure that he actually put in a request? I only ever saw it in a "newspaper" which makes stuff up all the time to get clicks.

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So nothing to do his rank rotten form. Righto 👍🏻 🥴

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Originally Posted by S4uzee

100% correct in everything you say.

His “attempt” was pathetic. Also on your point regarding passing it into the net, he never seems to strike a ball with the laces, very odd for a “striker”

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Agree. I really hope he isn't rewarded with a start tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by Since452

Agree. I really hope he isn't rewarded with a start tomorrow.

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Rewarded? What is wrong with people?

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Originally Posted by Sioux

I'm not getting this 'loss of form'.

It's more likely that this is his default level. A player can't simply be off from for a whole year or more.

There is no evidence whatsoever of the prediction "he will come good, only needs a goal".

That miss against Celtic seems to point some crazy idea that KN holds himself up as a gifted footballer, the way he attempted to score with the outside of his foot. I can think of no other striker who would have done anything like that.

Even a centre half would have just blasted it over the line, from what, 3 yards out?

Further back up for the default level is his continual one trick pony attempt at passing the ball into the net ala Mo Salah, but allowing the keeper to make an easy save, or missing the target completely.

Maybe we were fooled by his record in the 'we're no very good' leagues. And KN is in the 'he's no very good' class.

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It could just be that top Championship/bottom premiership is his level, he hit the ground running after getting his deal with us but since the death of his father and a couple of niggly injuries, he's regressed badly. I don't think he's a bad player but just not as good as a lot of people think he is, similar to Shankland and McNulty who struggled moving up to a higher level (McNulty's best form came playing in English Div1+2, good cameo for us but then struggled again)

Hope Kevin Nisbet does not read these pages. If he does I expect he will understand that most of the posters talk a load of sh*te.

He's a striker at Hibs. Aye, he missed a sitter the other night and has not been anywhere near the form he was when he first signed but this is why he is at Hibs. If he was banging in over 20 goals every season, playing consistently well he would not be here.

It's just his turn to be the one who is getting targeted for abuse. Over the last few months it's been a choice of Hanlon, Porteous, Wright, Newell to name a few.

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Originally Posted by Hibees1973

Hope Kevin Nisbet does not read these pages. If he does I expect he will understand that most of the posters talk a load of sh*te.

He's a striker at Hibs. Aye, he missed a sitter the other night and has not been anywhere near the form he was when he first signed but this is why he is at Hibs. If he was banging in over 20 goals every season, playing consistently well he would not be here.

It's just his turn to be the one who is getting targeted for abuse. Over the last few months it's been a choice of Hanlon, Porteous, Wright, Newell to name a few.

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Agreed. One of the issues is that we're creating so few chances for him & he's seeing so little of the ball that every mistake is magnified. Lucky if he gets half a dozen touches in a game & few of those he can do anything useful with.

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Originally Posted by Hibees1973

Hope Kevin Nisbet does not read these pages. If he does I expect he will understand that most of the posters talk a load of sh*te.

He's a striker at Hibs. Aye, he missed a sitter the other night and has not been anywhere near the form he was when he first signed but this is why he is at Hibs. If he was banging in over 20 goals every season, playing consistently well he would not be here.

It's just his turn to be the one who is getting targeted for abuse. Over the last few months it's been a choice of Hanlon, Porteous, Wright, Newell to name a few.

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Well said, as I said in an earlier post I feel sorry for the lad he doesn't deserve some of the stuff
That's being said about him.

Cove Rangers have announced the signing of former Aberdeen, Motherwell, Sheffield Wednesday and Dundee United defender Mark Reynolds.

The 23-year-old has agreed an 18-month contract and – subject to clearance – will be in the squad for tomorrow night’s Scottish Cup fourth round tie with Hibernian at Easter Road.

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Originally Posted by Tambo

Cove Rangers have announced the signing of former Aberdeen, Motherwell, Sheffield Wednesday and Dundee United defender Mark Reynolds.

The 23-year-old has agreed an 18-month contract and – subject to clearance – will be in the squad for tomorrow night’s Scottish Cup fourth round tie with Hibernian at Easter Road.

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A regular Benjamin Button

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Originally Posted by Tambo

Cove Rangers have announced the signing of former Aberdeen, Motherwell, Sheffield Wednesday and Dundee United defender Mark Reynolds.

The 23-year-old has agreed an 18-month contract and – subject to clearance – will be in the squad for tomorrow night’s Scottish Cup fourth round tie with Hibernian at Easter Road.

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He’s not played for United for a while, thought he was injured

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Originally Posted by Tambo

Cove Rangers have announced the signing of former Aberdeen, Motherwell, Sheffield Wednesday and Dundee United defender Mark Reynolds.

The 23-year-old has agreed an 18-month contract and – subject to clearance – will be in the squad for tomorrow night’s Scottish Cup fourth round tie with Hibernian at Easter Road.

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He's young for so many clubs [emoji102]

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Originally Posted by Steven79

He's young for so many clubs [emoji102]

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He’s actually 34.

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Originally Posted by greenginger

He’s actually 34.

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Just noticed that myself. Was a copy and paste from sky sports.

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Originally Posted by Hibees1973

Hope Kevin Nisbet does not read these pages. If he does I expect he will understand that most of the posters talk a load of sh*te.

He's a striker at Hibs. Aye, he missed a sitter the other night and has not been anywhere near the form he was when he first signed but this is why he is at Hibs. If he was banging in over 20 goals every season, playing consistently well he would not be here.

It's just his turn to be the one who is getting targeted for abuse. Over the last few months it's been a choice of Hanlon, Porteous, Wright, Newell to name a few.

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Originally Posted by Hibees1973

Hope Kevin Nisbet does not read these pages. If he does I expect he will understand that most of the posters talk a load of sh*te.

He's a striker at Hibs. Aye, he missed a sitter the other night and has not been anywhere near the form he was when he first signed but this is why he is at Hibs. If he was banging in over 20 goals every season, playing consistently well he would not be here.

It's just his turn to be the one who is getting targeted for abuse. Over the last few months it's been a choice of Hanlon, Porteous, Wright, Newell to name a few.

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Wee Lewis is probably thinking it was high time it was someone else's turn..... :greengrin

Wonder if we're looking at Charles-Cook, I've been impressed with him for a while now and that's another 2 goals and created the other one. Seems to be involved in a lot of goals and assists for them.

I don't watch them enough to know much about his weaknesses but must be attracting at least some interest.

I wonder if other teams are looking at him too

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Originally Posted by Hibees1973

Hope Kevin Nisbet does not read these pages. If he does I expect he will understand that most of the posters talk a load of sh*te.

He's a striker at Hibs. Aye, he missed a sitter the other night and has not been anywhere near the form he was when he first signed but this is why he is at Hibs. If he was banging in over 20 goals every season, playing consistently well he would not be here.

It's just his turn to be the one who is getting targeted for abuse. Over the last few months it's been a choice of Hanlon, Porteous, Wright, Newell to name a few.

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I think he does. He has certainly deleted his social media, to the delight of some virgins in our support.

In the wake of all the focus and attention on Martin boyle and the life changing money supposedly on offer, I wonder if that’s partly the reason Nisbet can’t find the back of the net.

Maybe he thinks his big money move might not happen for him now,whilst I can’t stand a player who hands in a transfer request I still believe Kevin Nisbet has a lot to offer hibs.
He’s an international striker playing on the biggest stages,that is progress he made at Hibernian.
Birmingham whilst probably more money on offer than hibs don’t look like a side vying for glory.
My advice would be this to Kev.
Knuckle down give your all and start playing with a smile on your face.earn the respect of the supporters in the stand.and take a leaf out of boyles book and show your committed to our club.

Was Nisbet no offered or discussing a new deal?
I would like to see that signed and try and bring out the talent he obviously has again.

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Originally Posted by tonyrougier123

In the wake of all the focus and attention on Martin boyle and the life changing money supposedly on offer, I wonder if that’s partly the reason Nisbet can’t find the back of the net.

Maybe he thinks his big money move might not happen for him now,whilst I can’t stand a player who hands in a transfer request I still believe Kevin Nisbet has a lot to offer hibs.
He’s an international striker playing on the biggest stages,that is progress he made at Hibernian.
Birmingham whilst probably more money on offer than hibs don’t look like a side vying for glory.
My advice would be this to Kev.
Knuckle down give your all and start playing with a smile on your face.earn the respect of the supporters in the stand.and take a leaf out of boyles book and show your committed to our club.

Was Nisbet no offered or discussing a new deal?
I would like to see that signed and try and bring out the talent he obviously has again.

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He was offered a new deal on improved terms but KN knocked it back, was in one of the Hibs stories either yesterday or day before

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Originally Posted by tonyrougier123

In the wake of all the focus and attention on Martin boyle and the life changing money supposedly on offer, I wonder if that’s partly the reason Nisbet can’t find the back of the net.

Maybe he thinks his big money move might not happen for him now,whilst I can’t stand a player who hands in a transfer request I still believe Kevin Nisbet has a lot to offer hibs.
He’s an international striker playing on the biggest stages,that is progress he made at Hibernian.
Birmingham whilst probably more money on offer than hibs don’t look like a side vying for glory.
My advice would be this to Kev.
Knuckle down give your all and start playing with a smile on your face.earn the respect of the supporters in the stand.and take a leaf out of boyles book and show your committed to our club.

Was Nisbet no offered or discussing a new deal?
I would like to see that signed and try and bring out the talent he obviously has again.

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No chance I'd be offering him an improved deal again. If indeed he has rejected one then he's made his bed and he can lie in it.

If he knuckles down and improves his attitude on the park then the rest should follow and maybe he'll deserve an improved deal then. Or even the move out of Hibs that he was so desperate for before.

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Originally Posted by Dazzjw1875

He was offered a new deal on improved terms but KN knocked it back, was in one of the Hibs stories either yesterday or day before

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I'd not be offering him a penny more, players need to be playing well to get a conttact extention with an increase.

He's been out of form way too long to even think about any increase, and it is looking like a bad move now by Hibs, when we rejected that bid by Birmingham.

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Originally Posted by Dazzjw1875

He was offered a new deal on improved terms but KN knocked it back, was in one of the Hibs stories either yesterday or day before

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Did he knock it back?

I know we were discussing a new deal with him but I just assumed we put the talks on hold when his form fell off a cliff.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...ker-3534179?jj

Another coach just not seeing what many on here are seeing. Despite having so much data at his hands.

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Originally Posted by Brightside

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...ker-3534179?jj

Another coach just not seeing what many on here are seeing. Despite having so much data at his hands.

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Football manager backing his player, shocking news, would you prefer he was more like Lennon?

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

Football manager backing his player, shocking news, would you prefer he was more like Lennon?

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What about a fan backing his team’s striker, shocking news, would you prefer he was more like Winston?

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

Football manager backing his player, shocking news, would you prefer he was more like Lennon?

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I agree with you and Brightside.

I think if he was being lazy, it would show up in his stats and he wouldn’t play. That said, Maloney has to back his player publicly, especially when he’s so new into the job, doesn’t really mean anything.

I just think the guys confidence is shot to pieces and would benefit from a spell out the team. I don’t think he’s not trying.

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

What about a fan backing his team’s striker, shocking news, would you prefer he was more like Winston?

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Fans have backed him. Through the good and the bad. It’s crunch time for him. Start scoring and improve current performances or find himself on the bench for a period of time.

It really is that simple.

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

What about a fan backing his team’s striker, shocking news, would you prefer he was more like Winston?

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I'm pretty sure if you go back, you will see me and plenty others back him to the hilt. I'd love him to get back to the form he had, but at this moment and for quite a long time, in fact way too long, he's been pish.

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Originally Posted by bingo70

I agree with you and Brightside.

I think if he was being lazy, it would show up in his stats and he wouldn’t play. That said, Maloney has to back his player publicly, especially when he’s so new into the job, doesn’t really mean anything.

I just think the guys confidence is shot to pieces and would benefit from a spell out the team. I don’t think he’s not trying.

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He's been pish for months, lets not kid ourselves here, it's been way too long bar the odd glimpse. I've no idea if he's short of confidence, although the way he tried to score that tap in the other night would suggest otherwise.

I agree with you about him that he shouldnt be in the team right now, and we do seem to have more alternatives.

If that gets him back to form, great, but we need better now and he's not capable of that now.

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

Football manager backing his player, shocking news, would you prefer he was more like Lennon?

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We have fans on here questioning the boys commitment and attitude. There is not a chance he would be playing if that was true. The staff know a lot more about the players than anyone on here ever will.

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Originally Posted by Brightside

We have fans on here questioning the boys commitment and attitude. There is not a chance he would be playing if that was true. The staff know a lot more about the players than anyone on here ever will.

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We've had nobody else, Doidge was injured, Mueller and Mekelson had not been signed, it was him or nobody.

You are right, the club do know more about the players than we will ever do, we only have our eyes, i suppose some folk's sight is better than others.:greengrin

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

We've had nobody else, Doidge was injured, Mueller and Mekelson had not been signed, it was him or nobody.

You are right, the club do know more about the players than we will ever do, we only have our eyes, i suppose some folk's sight is better than others.:greengrin

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We had other options. There are always other options.

I agree on your second point though. :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Brightside

We have fans on here questioning the boys commitment and attitude. There is not a chance he would be playing if that was true. The staff know a lot more about the players than anyone on here ever will.

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The not trying stuff is ridiculous. That undermines everything else any poster trotting it out has to say about Nisbet. Even if he was Messi, if a manager and teammates thought a player couldn’t be bothered, he just wouldn’t be playing.

I totally accept Nisbet has had a serious loss of form. I do also wonder if his first half season was a bit of a flash in the pan. It’s clear his confidence is shot and he’s out of sorts, a bit like the rest of the team tbh.

As a lone striker, Nisbet’s main opportunity to influence the game is crucial to the team’s fortunes, yet he also has less chance to bring that influence to bear in terms of frequency and opportunity on the ball. Your average striker is going have fewer touches as other players in the side.

The question for me is whether Nisbet’s initial goalscoring form was a freak and the past year is a true reflection of his standard? For a guy half through what is only his second season in top flight football, his record is very much one of two extremes.

I believe he is better than his current form, but his confidence has gone. The team itself have been misfiring for many months now too. Part of his issue lies in the wider malaise within the side.

Hopefully, with Doidge back and regaining fitness, after returning early from serious injury, and Melkersson and Mueller on board, we will see an upturn in Nisbet’s fortunes.

Either way, some of the stuff on here, it’s truly pathetic. No one is beyond criticism, but the not trying stuff, it’s nonsense.

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Originally Posted by bingo70

I agree with you and Brightside.

I think if he was being lazy, it would show up in his stats and he wouldn’t play. That said, Maloney has to back his player publicly, especially when he’s so new into the job, doesn’t really mean anything.

I just think the guys confidence is shot to pieces and would benefit from a spell out the team. I don’t think he’s not trying.

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The thing is with Stats is they are sometimes subjective... for example, Nisbet may do a lot of running about, but that doesn't tell you if he sprinted for a pass or ran into the right positions.... there is something in his play in the past few months that shows a real lack of urgency, and this is what i think a lot of fans are noticing.... he doesn't bust a gut to get into the box at times, he tries too many fancy first time passes (which if they come off would be brilliant) and more often than not he makes a poor choice in his finishing, like trying to side foot it when he should be putting his laces through it or curling it round a keeper....

Personally i think its all in his head, once he gets a wee streak maybe we will see the Nisbet of old. I dont think we have seen quite the same lad since his dad passed away.

Strikers are streaky. When Sam Cosgrove went to Dons I think he played about 15-20 games without scoring. Suddenly he was unstoppable. Last night, Greenwood, Rashford and Tonev all scored for 1st time in many games, that doesn't make them bad players. If Nisbet had scored with his early chance against Celtc, & he certainly should have, then that would have been 2 in 2. Coincidentally, Hibs TV are currently advertising Cove game by showing highlights of previous game. Have a look and spot Christian hitting the bar with a free header to an empty goal from a yard. These things happen to the best of players. One things for sure, no player gets better by being booed and encouragement can often help.

He's not lazy, but I think maybe this is his level. Hopefully the new team can improve him, he must offer something in training that we do not see since he's still in the Scotland squad and basically undroppable at hibs despite putting in some seriously poor performances in the last year.

Occasionally he holds the ball up well and makes a fantastic pass, but there is little consistency, as most of the time when under pressure from a defender he will lose the ball even after taking a good first touch. He seems to have relied on this side foot placement shot a lot in the past and it feels like he is always looking for it, which is frustrating to watch sometimes, ironically if he had just side-footed the chance against Celtic he would have scored.

I am not a coach so don't know how to fix this, but what I see watching him once a week for the last year is someone who is mediocre at best in this league.

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Originally Posted by brog

Strikers are streaky. When Sam Cosgrove went to Dons I think he played about 15-20 games without scoring. Suddenly he was unstoppable. Last night, Greenwood, Rashford and Tonev all scored for 1st time in many games, that doesn't make them bad players. If Nisbet had scored with his early chance against Celtc, & he certainly should have, then that would have been 2 in 2. Coincidentally, Hibs TV are currently advertising Cove game by showing highlights of previous game. Have a look and spot Christian hitting the bar with a free header to an empty goal from a yard. These things happen to the best of players. One things for sure, no player gets better by being booed and encouragement can often help.

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Nisbet has consistently played like he is playing for a year now, so I think it's fair he is seeing some criticism. Some people take it too far obviously because its hibs.net, some people here still hate Joe Newell because he had a bad first game.

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Originally Posted by bingo70

I agree with you and Brightside.

I think if he was being lazy, it would show up in his stats and he wouldn’t play. That said, Maloney has to back his player publicly, especially when he’s so new into the job, doesn’t really mean anything.

I just think the guys confidence is shot to pieces and would benefit from a spell out the team. I don’t think he’s not trying.

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Let's face reality here!

The only reason he has been playing the last 6 months is we didn't have anybody elase.

Now we have other options. I would imagine Nisbet will dully get a spell on the bench.

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Originally Posted by Brightside

We had other options. There are always other options.

I agree on your second point though. :greengrin

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The only other option was Gullan and Ross deemed not good enough except the odd 10 mins here and there. We went into the new season knowing we were a striker short, didn't even look at a loan signing to cover, instead we got an unfit winger and a no good CH on loan.

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Originally Posted by BlackSheep

The thing is with Stats is they are sometimes subjective... for example, Nisbet may do a lot of running about, but that doesn't tell you if he sprinted for a pass or ran into the right positions.... there is something in his play in the past few months that shows a real lack of urgency, and this is what i think a lot of fans are noticing.... he doesn't bust a gut to get into the box at times, he tries too many fancy first time passes (which if they come off would be brilliant) and more often than not he makes a poor choice in his finishing, like trying to side foot it when he should be putting his laces through it or curling it round a keeper....

Personally i think its all in his head, once he gets a wee streak maybe we will see the Nisbet of old. I dont think we have seen quite the same lad since his dad passed away.

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I think you are under selling the data available to the coaches.... they dont just get how much running about he does. They do a huge amount of analysis on every player in every game. Its a full time job.

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Originally Posted by J-C

The only other option was Gullan and Ross deemed not good enough except the odd 10 mins here and there. We went into the new season knowing we were a striker short, didn't even look at a loan signing to cover, instead we got an unfit winger and a no good CH on loan.

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That's pretty much it for me. That disastrous summer window hit us hard as many on here predicted it would at the time.

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Originally Posted by Brightside

I think you are under selling the data available to the coaches.... they dont just get how much running about he does. They do a huge amount of analysis on every player in every game. Its a full time job.

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Yeah, that post did undersell a lot of the technical analysis but i guess was trying to simplify what i was getting at too.... Trust me i want Nisbet to get back to scoring and being happy, Im just not seeing the effort that some on here seem to be seeing.

Can we please start a new thread for Nisbet instead of filling his thread with chat about him.

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Originally Posted by Unseen work

Away from all the Kevin Nisbet chat

Really hope we’re still actively looking to strengthen the squad with some real quality that instantly improves the starting 11.

Also hoping a couple are moved on.

An interesting one for me is Hallberg, I think Maloney could be a fan of him.

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I hope Hallberg gets a chance under Maloney, he’s a player i really like and has done well when given a chance. His performance in the semi final last year was class, was unfairly dropped for the final IMO

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I hope Hallberg gets a chance under Maloney, he’s a player i really like and has done well when given a chance. His performance in the semi final last year was class, was unfairly dropped for the final IMO

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I'd like to see him instead of Newell, we need someone who will look forward from that position.

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

I'm pretty sure if you go back, you will see me and plenty others back him to the hilt. I'd love him to get back to the form he had, but at this moment and for quite a long time, in fact way too long, he's been pish.



He's been pish for months, lets not kid ourselves here, it's been way too long bar the odd glimpse. I've no idea if he's short of confidence, although the way he tried to score that tap in the other night would suggest otherwise.

I agree with you about him that he shouldnt be in the team right now, and we do seem to have more alternatives.

If that gets him back to form, great, but we need better now and he's not capable of that now.

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Doidge hasn’t been getting played so it’s really only now with the new signings that there is more alternatives for Maloney
So will be interesting to see his team selections over next few weeks


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Originally Posted by Coco Bryce

Let's face reality here!

The only reason he has been playing the last 6 months is we didn't have anybody elase.

Now we have other options. I would imagine Nisbet will dully get a spell on the bench.

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I keep asking, what other options? Doidge was available at start of season, Nisbet was 1st choice. Gullan and Scott were also available, they weren't considered. The young Norwegian is only new option we have & he's not available. I would be astonished if Nisbet doesn't remain #1 choice.

Not so sure. If Hibs drop him his sale value might plummet and that's going to be a part of any decision-making. There's also the case of playing a player until form is recaptured/not denting confidence further by dropping him. It's a really difficult situation.

The pro-longed dip in form will now have impacted his value and I suspect Doidge will now be given his chance (unless Maloney doesn't fancy him).

Whether its effort, form or confidence something isn't right and the central striker in a 3-4-3 is pivotal for the whole team.

There is no doubt that the effort of players is a variable and its a myth that every player gives 100% every game.

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Kevin Nisbet on the whole has been off form for a considerable amount of time and his performances do merit constructive criticism, we've been waiting a while for him to get back to doing well for Hibs, hopefully that will be soon.

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Originally Posted by Key West

Kevin Nisbet on the whole has been off form for a considerable amount of time and his performances do merit constructive criticism, we've been waiting a while for him to get back to doing well for Hibs, hopefully that will be soon.

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This sums it up pretty well.

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Originally Posted by brog

I keep asking, what other options? Doidge was available at start of season, Nisbet was 1st choice. Gullan and Scott were also available, they weren't considered. The young Norwegian is only new option we have & he's not available. I would be astonished if Nisbet doesn't remain #1 choice.

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Doidge had a very bad covid case which meant he missed the majority of pre season, he came on and scored at Motherwell and then started against Ross County in the 2nd game played 90 mins and scored. He then got injured prior to the next game which was reijka away. The new options people will be referring to are a hopefully fit doidge who has hardly been available post injury due to a red card on his 2nd game back, melkersen & I assume mueller who can play across the front 3. Nisbet is out of form but still a good striker and if all were firing I’d expect to be No1. That being said the squad as it is rn if everyone’s available it’s perfectly conceivable that you could start a front 3 without nisbet.

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Originally Posted by The young one

Doidge had a very bad covid case which meant he missed the majority of pre season, he came on and scored at Motherwell and then started against Ross County in the 2nd game played 90 mins and scored. He then got injured prior to the next game which was reijka away. The new options people will be referring to are a hopefully fit doidge who has hardly been available post injury due to a red card on his 2nd game back, melkersen & I assume mueller who can play across the front 3. Nisbet is out of form but still a good striker and if all were firing I’d expect to be No1. That being said the squad as it is rn if everyone’s available it’s perfectly conceivable that you could start a front 3 without nisbet.

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Originally Posted by The young one

Doidge had a very bad covid case which meant he missed the majority of pre season, he came on and scored at Motherwell and then started against Ross County in the 2nd game played 90 mins and scored. He then got injured prior to the next game which was reijka away. The new options people will be referring to are a hopefully fit doidge who has hardly been available post injury due to a red card on his 2nd game back, melkersen & I assume mueller who can play across the front 3. Nisbet is out of form but still a good striker and if all were firing I’d expect to be No1. That being said the squad as it is rn if everyone’s available it’s perfectly conceivable that you could start a front 3 without nisbet.

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Melkerson isn't available though and Mueller isn't a centre forward, so we right now we have Doidge, who didn't get on the park on Monday and the lamentable James Scott.

It is conceivable that we could have a front three without Nisbet, but I reckon he will start tonight, and hopefully score.

Nisbet will get a couple of goals tonight and kick on from there.

If Boyle goes this week can we blame Jack Ross?

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If Boyle goes this week can we blame Jack Ross?

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Right now Nisbet seems most likely to get the blame.

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Originally Posted by The young one

Doidge had a very bad covid case which meant he missed the majority of pre season, he came on and scored at Motherwell and then started against Ross County in the 2nd game played 90 mins and scored. He then got injured prior to the next game which was reijka away. The new options people will be referring to are a hopefully fit doidge who has hardly been available post injury due to a red card on his 2nd game back, melkersen & I assume mueller who can play across the front 3. Nisbet is out of form but still a good striker and if all were firing I’d expect to be No1. That being said the squad as it is rn if everyone’s available it’s perfectly conceivable that you could start a front 3 without nisbet.

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