Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

I guess Lord Bunberry will be selling his tickets now 😉

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I wasn’t going anyway, but I’m definitely not going now. :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

I came across this attitude at the Lloyd's bar (wetherspoons) in the Omni Centre, no trainers allowed!!

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They just mustn't have liked the look of you. 😉

I've never witnessed that rule being enforced in there and I've been known to venture in once or twice.

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

About 1.30 until just after half 2 so we probably crossed over.

I enjoyed it, the rules didn't feel too restrictive. It's just I'm so used to that pub being absolutely rammed with a crowds all around the bar and in the middle of the floor, everyone seated at tables made it still feel a bit less normal.

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I know, I felt that way the first time I was in the Guildford last year but I've used it fairly regularly in the last few months so it actually seemed more normal to me yesterday!

NHS Lothian has halted non-urgent elective operations amid staff shortages and rising patient demand.

The health board has also postponed non-urgent outpatient appointments.

The move comes two days after NHS Borders cancelled all scheduled routine operations until the end of next week due to pressure on services.

NHS Lothian said increased levels of staff sickness, combined with holidays and those having to self isolate, led to a “significant reduction” in nurses and midwives in the previous two months.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...mand-staffing/

Daily Scottish update;

1,542 new cases since yesterday - 6.6% positivity rate
Decrease of 3 in the confirmed cases in hospital since yesterday
Decrease of 1 in the confirmed cases in intensive care since yesterday
4,044,950 people have now received their first dose of the vaccine - 5,724 people since yesterday
3,412,051 people have now received their second dose of the vaccine - 18,151 people since yesterday
8 deaths registered since yesterday

https://twitter.com/natalie_allison/...202548224?s=21

The end of a school board meeting in Franklin, parents threatening the medical experts because they dared to suggest masks in schools was a good idea.

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Originally Posted by hibee

https://twitter.com/natalie_allison/...202548224?s=21

The end of a school board meeting in Franklin, parents threatening the medical experts because they dared to suggest masks in schools was a good idea.

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I know this involves children so my reply isn't totally relevant.

However I'm reaching a point where I think we have to stop inconveniencing a majority to protect a minority. This isn't comparable to when we locked down everyone to protect vulnerable groups, there was good reason for that as we all played our part in seeding and spreading the virus (or not doing so if we followed the rules)

We are now approaching a point in the UK and much of the developed world at which everyone who wants a significant level of protection against serious illness has it. As and when booster vaccines become available then those who rolled up their sleeve first time around will do so again and early data, linked in a post earlier in the thread, suggests that could be a gamechanger in terms of transmission. If people choose not to accept that protection then fine. They will get ill (there's no maybe about it) and some will die. Let the rest of us continue on a path back to normality, inconvenience those who won't do the selfless thing by banning them from certain arenas and focus our efforts on vaccinating the world and those in developing nations who want protection but can't access it yet.

If some ignorant ******** chooses to listen to an equally ignorant twat on YouTube over mountains of peer reviewed science then let them deal with the consequences. Be that exclusion from things they want to do or illness. I'm beyond pandering to mobs like those filmed above now.

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

I know this involves children so my reply isn't totally relevant.

However I'm reaching a point where I think we have to stop inconveniencing a majority to protect a minority. This isn't comparable to when we locked down everyone to protect vulnerable groups, there was good reason for that as we all played our part in seeding and spreading the virus (or not doing so if we followed the rules)

We are now approaching a point in the UK and much of the developed world at which everyone who wants a significant level of protection against serious illness has it. As and when booster vaccines become available then those who rolled up their sleeve first time around will do so again and early data, linked in a post earlier in the thread, suggests that could be a gamechanger in terms of transmission. If people choose not to accept that protection then fine. They will get ill (there's no maybe about it) and some will die. Let the rest of us continue on a path back to normality, inconvenience those who won't do the selfless thing by banning them from certain arenas and focus our efforts on vaccinating the world and those in developing nations who want protection but can't access it yet.

If some ignorant ******** chooses to listen to an equally ignorant twat on YouTube over mountains of peer reviewed science then let them deal with the consequences. Be that exclusion from things they want to do or illness. I'm beyond pandering to mobs like those filmed above now.

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Agree with every single word of this.

I hope we bring in vaccine passports for near enough everything. Pubs, restaurants, large events, travel. Make it virtually impossible for unvaccinated people to enjoy life if they’re not going to take the vaccine, by far the most effective weapon we have against this virus.

I’ve seen numerous people sharing a post on my Instagram from Josh Taylor comparing masks to a fart getting out of your arse cheeks. And these people actually allow posts like this to help them decide whether they want to get vaccinated etc.

You want to decide not to get vaccinated because someone who gets punched in the head for a living says so rather than listen to the thousands of scientists who say to do it? Crack on. But **** off and don’t leave your house because you can’t get in anywhere in that case.

32,700 cases and 100 deaths registered in the UK today.

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

I know this involves children so my reply isn't totally relevant.

However I'm reaching a point where I think we have to stop inconveniencing a majority to protect a minority. This isn't comparable to when we locked down everyone to protect vulnerable groups, there was good reason for that as we all played our part in seeding and spreading the virus (or not doing so if we followed the rules)

We are now approaching a point in the UK and much of the developed world at which everyone who wants a significant level of protection against serious illness has it. As and when booster vaccines become available then those who rolled up their sleeve first time around will do so again and early data, linked in a post earlier in the thread, suggests that could be a gamechanger in terms of transmission. If people choose not to accept that protection then fine. They will get ill (there's no maybe about it) and some will die. Let the rest of us continue on a path back to normality, inconvenience those who won't do the selfless thing by banning them from certain arenas and focus our efforts on vaccinating the world and those in developing nations who want protection but can't access it yet.

If some ignorant ******** chooses to listen to an equally ignorant twat on YouTube over mountains of peer reviewed science then let them deal with the consequences. Be that exclusion from things they want to do or illness. I'm beyond pandering to mobs like those filmed above now.

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I agree with all of that, the people choosing not to be vaccinated should be the ones being restricted now.

Even my 17 yr old son who didn’t really think he needed it has thought about the wider issues this week so went off to a drop in centre and got vaccinated today while I was working.

I agree that folk who've positively chosen not to take the vaccine should be left to show the courage of their convictions, but what about those who can't take the vaccine?

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Originally Posted by Glory Lurker

I agree that folk who've positively chosen not to take the vaccine should be left to show the courage of their convictions, but what about those who can't take the vaccine?

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That’s a different story and I’d suggest there would need to be some sort of exemption for them.

People who genuinely can’t take it are few and far between so chances are you’d rarely if ever encounter someone in that situation.

https://amp.theguardian.com/commenti...mpression=true

More and more people saying we shouldn't be giving booster jags in the west when most of the world don't have 1 dose. 2 doses makes covid less harmful to death than the flu. Jcvi think its unethical, government aren't budging

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Sajid Javid and other ministers are very much expecting that booster doses will be administered to 30m+ people over the autumn and are working on putting the infrastructure in place.

Looking like an increasingly public clash between ministers and their advisers is on the way...

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

https://amp.theguardian.com/commenti...mpression=true

More and more people saying we shouldn't be giving booster jags in the west when most of the world don't have 1 dose. 2 doses makes covid less harmful to death than the flu. Jcvi think its unethical, government aren't budging

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Sajid Javid and other ministers are very much expecting that booster doses will be administered to 30m+ people over the autumn and are working on putting the infrastructure in place.

Looking like an increasingly public clash between ministers and their advisers is on the way...

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Have to say I agree with the opinion in that piece. But we shouldn't be surprised; the Government has already made clear its attitude to foreign aid of any sort.

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

That’s a different story and I’d suggest there would need to be some sort of exemption for them.

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Yes, agreed. The problem we've got is that neither Holyrood or Westminster seem to have the stomach for vaccine passports, let alone special dispensation for the "can't" population. Instead they are marginalised by what's effectively a play to the lowest common denominator.

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Originally Posted by Glory Lurker

I agree that folk who've positively chosen not to take the vaccine should be left to show the courage of their convictions, but what about those who can't take the vaccine?

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That's one of the reason's we all need to take the vaccine, to offer those who can't some herd immunity. Those who have decided not to get vaccinated have for whatever reason intentionally decided that their wants/needs come ahead of the herd's, fine, then let them no longer be part of the herd.

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

https://amp.theguardian.com/commenti...mpression=true

More and more people saying we shouldn't be giving booster jags in the west when most of the world don't have 1 dose. 2 doses makes covid less harmful to death than the flu. Jcvi think its unethical, government aren't budging

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Sajid Javid and other ministers are very much expecting that booster doses will be administered to 30m+ people over the autumn and are working on putting the infrastructure in place.

Looking like an increasingly public clash between ministers and their advisers is on the way...

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Ah, capitalists. Love the global economy, clueless about global consequences.

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Originally Posted by Glory Lurker

Yes, agreed. The problem we've got is that neither Holyrood or Westminster seem to have the stomach for vaccine passports, let alone special dispensation for the "can't" population. Instead they are marginalised by what's effectively a play to the lowest common denominator.

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I suspect they see it as a rehearsal/rehash of the debate on Identity Cards, which is fraught with difficulties as well as emotive stances. They may both be waiting to see how things play out elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

I suspect they see it as a rehearsal/rehash of the debate on Identity Cards, which is fraught with difficulties as well as emotive stances. They may both be waiting to see how things play out elsewhere.

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I started this reply by typing that the anti-ID arguments were in "peacetime" but have to be swept aside in the crisis we're dealing with. I suspect you'll be pleased to know that reading it stopped me on my tracks - the very last time you want a participation programme to be set up is when there's a crisis!

However, I would like to hear more noise from Holyrood about it. Stupidly, or not, I trust them not to set up an abusive system. Are aspects of it reserved? Not that that would justify it as we all know Nicola loves a wee wander into the Forbidden Land (with my full support, natch! :-)). Where is she? Why not?

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

That's one of the reason's we all need to take the vaccine, to offer those who can't some herd immunity. Those who have decided not to get vaccinated have for whatever reason intentionally decided that their wants/needs come ahead of the herd's, fine, then let them no longer be part of the herd.

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Breakdown of today's cases by council area;

Glasgow - 190
North Lanarkshire - 134
Edinburgh - 123
South Lanarkshire - 111
Fife - 104
North Ayrshire - 67
Dumfries and Galloway - 66
West Lothian - 65
Highland - 56
Falkirk - 48
East Ayrshire - 46
Aberdeen - 44
Renfrewshire - 43
East Dunbartonshire - 40
Dundee - 39
Argyll and Bute - 39
Aberdeenshire - 35
East Renfrewshire - 33
East Lothian - 33
Perth and Kinross - 31
Stirling - 28
Midlothian - 24
South Ayrshire - 21
Clackmannanshire - 21
West Dunbartonshire - 20
Scottish Borders - 20
Inverclyde - 17
Angus - 16
Moray - 12
Na-h Eileanan Siar - 9
Orkney - 3

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

Daily update - first dose;

UK - 47,170,968 (90% of adult population)

Wales - 2,309,415 (92.4% of adult population)
England - 39,577,515 (89.9% of adult population)
Scotland - 4,039,226 (89.8% of adult population)
Northern Ireland - 1,244,812 (85.8% of adult population)

Second dose;

UK - 40,013,470 (76.4% of adult population)

Wales - 2,127,921 (85.1% of adult population)
Northern Ireland - 1,104,905 (76.2% of adult population)
England - 33,386,744 (75.9% of adult population)
Scotland - 3,393,900 (75.4% of adult population)

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Daily update - first dose;

UK - 47,215,352 (90.1% of adult population)

Wales - 2,310,898 (92.4% of adult population)
England - 39,612,597 (90% of adult population)
Scotland - 4,044,950 (89.9% of adult population)
Northern Ireland - 1,246,907 (86% of adult population)

Second dose;

UK - 40,206,029 (76.7% of adult population)

Wales - 2,132,116 (85.3% of adult population)
Northern Ireland - 1,109,693 (76.5% of adult population)
England - 33,552,169 (76.3% of adult population)
Scotland - 3,412,051 (75.8% of adult population)

Four Scottish health boards have now halted non-urgent procedures amid rising pressure on the NHS.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-58204236

80,000 in the US now in hospital with covid, that number is doubling every 13 days. It should be their biggest hospital wave in around 10 days. Also of note 81% of cases are in trump states.

Although uptake is better than alot of countries, older groups and those with morbidities are much lower uptake than most in the west. So whilst our big spike in cases last month meant little hospitalisations, we had almost 100% uptake in over 60s.

Most states are fairly open even with huge cases sadly too. Stories like this is even more depressing when they have plenty vaccines

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1900318.html

Florida mother dies from Covid-19 days after giving birth

The cost of NHS coronavirus tests for international arrivals to the UK have been reduced, the government has said.

Test and Trace tests have been cut from £88 to £68 for people arriving from green-listed countries and for those coming from amber-listed countries who are fully vaccinated.

Meanwhile, the price of two tests for amber arrivals who have not had both jabs has been cut from £170 to £136.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58206517

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

The cost of NHS coronavirus tests for international arrivals to the UK have been reduced, the government has said.

Test and Trace tests have been cut from £88 to £68 for people arriving from green-listed countries and for those coming from amber-listed countries who are fully vaccinated.

Meanwhile, the price of two tests for amber arrivals who have not had both jabs has been cut from £170 to £136.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58206517

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Is that not England

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

Daily update - first dose;

UK - 47,215,352 (90.1% of adult population)

Wales - 2,310,898 (92.4% of adult population)
England - 39,612,597 (90% of adult population)
Scotland - 4,044,950 (89.9% of adult population)
Northern Ireland - 1,246,907 (86% of adult population)

Second dose;

UK - 40,206,029 (76.7% of adult population)

Wales - 2,132,116 (85.3% of adult population)
Northern Ireland - 1,109,693 (76.5% of adult population)
England - 33,552,169 (76.3% of adult population)
Scotland - 3,412,051 (75.8% of adult population)

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The problem with updating these figures now is that they include many youngsters who are not adults. Working in the vaccination centre about half of those attending are 16 or 17 with a few younger vulnerable children. The number of first vaccines had been steady at about 2,000 a day but has gone up in the last few days to about 5,000 and is due to this age group being vaccinated.

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

80,000 in the US now in hospital with covid, that number is doubling every 13 days. It should be their biggest hospital wave in around 10 days. Also of note 81% of cases are in trump states.

Although uptake is better than alot of countries, older groups and those with morbidities are much lower uptake than most in the west. So whilst our big spike in cases last month meant little hospitalisations, we had almost 100% uptake in over 60s. but c

Most states are fairly open even with huge cases sadly too. Stories like this is even more depressing when they have plenty vaccines

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1900318.html

Florida mother dies from Covid-19 days after giving birth

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It is hard to work out what is going on in the USA. They have about 128,000 cases per day at present and although they are increasing the doubling time is slowing and is about 17 days. 128,000 cases sounds a lot but with 5 times the population of the UK they have less cases per head than year. I guess the main difference is that the cases are concentrated in a handful of states and almost 25% of the most vulnerable population is not vaccinated.

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Is that not England

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No Scotland (and presumably the rest of the UK) too.

When I replied to Calum's post yesterday about requirements for travelling to Spain, I linked to a page on the Scottish Government website which said the test you had to do on your return from an amber country cost £88.

That same page now says the cost is £68.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/co...ist-countries/

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Originally Posted by goosano

The problem with updating these figures now is that they include many youngsters who are not adults. Working in the vaccination centre about half of those attending are 16 or 17 with a few younger vulnerable children. The number of first vaccines had been steady at about 2,000 a day but has gone up in the last few days to about 5,000 and is due to this age group being vaccinated.

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Yeah I know, sadly I've nothing to refer to though as both the PHS dashboard and UK Government websites still continue to quote the uptake percentages for those aged 18+ only so I have no other figures to refer to.

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

The cost of NHS coronavirus tests for international arrivals to the UK have been reduced, the government has said.

Test and Trace tests have been cut from £88 to £68 for people arriving from green-listed countries and for those coming from amber-listed countries who are fully vaccinated.

Meanwhile, the price of two tests for amber arrivals who have not had both jabs has been cut from £170 to £136.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58206517

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Good stuff.

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

No Scotland (and presumably the rest of the UK) too.

When I replied to Calum's post yesterday about requirements for travelling to Spain, I linked to a page on the Scottish Government website which said the test you had to do on your return from an amber country cost £88.

That same page now says the cost is £68.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/co...ist-countries/

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That's good as I'd read Scotland was a bit of a monopoly where you couldn't do it private, just at the rip off price

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Originally Posted by goosano

It is hard to work out what is going on in the USA. They have about 128,000 cases per day at present and although they are increasing the doubling time is slowing and is about 17 days. 128,000 cases sounds a lot but with 5 times the population of the UK they have less cases per head than year. I guess the main difference is that the cases are concentrated in a handful of states and almost 25% of the most vulnerable population is not vaccinated.

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https://mobile.twitter.com/VictimOfMaths/status/1425109797750333449

Decent thread on it, they have much less vaccinated older adults which is critical when fighting covid

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

That's good as I'd read Scotland was a bit of a monopoly where you couldn't do it private, just at the rip off price

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It's a step in the right direction but still a bit too high for me.

I wasn't too fussed about going on my trip to Cyprus next month which I've had booked since the start of last year and already deferred once, but paying nearly £70 for a test has pretty much made my mind up.

If I'm going to Cyprus as a fully vaccinated person, the only Covid-19 related requirement is for me to complete a Cyprus flight pass before travelling. I'd hope that we are taking note of how it's going in Cyprus and several other EU countries which have removed all requirements for providing a negative test for travellers who are fully vaccinated.

Some passengers have complained of being crammed into carriages with strangers refusing to wear masks on Welsh trains, despite Covid laws.

In Wales face masks remain a legal requirement on public transport, while in England they are only advised.

A number of passengers told BBC Wales people were ignoring calls to put on masks, leaving them feeling unsafe.

Transport for Wales (TfW) said it was urging travellers to wear masks on all services.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-58144669

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

Some passengers have complained of being crammed into carriages with strangers refusing to wear masks on Welsh trains, despite Covid laws.

In Wales face masks remain a legal requirement on public transport, while in England they are only advised.

A number of passengers told BBC Wales people were ignoring calls to put on masks, leaving them feeling unsafe.

Transport for Wales (TfW) said it was urging travellers to wear masks on all services.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-58144669

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I was on a couple of trains yesterday. Only short hops, Brunstane to Haymarket then Haymarket to Waverley later in the day.

I would say those of us wearing masks stood out more than those who weren't. A definite majority not wearing. The no alcohol rule was being largely ignored as well.

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

I was on a couple of trains yesterday. Only short hops, Brunstane to Haymarket then Haymarket to Waverley later in the day.

I would say those of us wearing masks stood out more than those who weren't. A definite majority not wearing. The no alcohol rule was being largely ignored as well.

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Is the no alcohol rule a nationwide thing? I’m going down to London on the train next week and would have taken a few beers for the journey down as I didn’t know anything about it.

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Is the no alcohol rule a nationwide thing? I’m going down to London on the train next week and would have taken a few beers for the journey down as I didn’t know anything about it.

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You can drink from the border.

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You can drink from the border.

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Is the no alcohol rule a nationwide thing? I’m going down to London on the train next week and would have taken a few beers for the journey down as I didn’t know anything about it.

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The ban's in place in every station in Scotland plus all Scotrail trains. Not sure if any Scotrail trains go into England or not but if they do then alcohol still can't be consumed until you board another provider's train.

I'm looking at going out to Croatia and would appreciate a bit of help on the testing side. I can see that on the way back I'll need a PCR within 2 days of return to the UK, and I have to use the 1 Scot Gov approved provider.

But Croatia requires a PCR test result taken within 72 hrs of departure to get in. I'm a bit unclear where I get this. Do I have to use the same Scot Gov provider? Or can I use anyone (I.e. Order a PCR through the NHS)?

Both my partner and I will be fully vaccinated before we go but I don't think that makes a difference to entry.

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Originally Posted by neil7908

I'm looking at going out to Croatia and would appreciate a bit of help on the testing side. I can see that on the way back I'll need a PCR within 2 days of return to the UK, and I have to use the 1 Scot Gov approved provider.

But Croatia requires a PCR test result taken within 72 hrs of departure to get in. I'm a bit unclear where I get this. Do I have to use the same Scot Gov provider? Or can I use anyone (I.e. Order a PCR through the NHS)?

Both my partner and I will be fully vaccinated before we go but I don't think that makes a difference to entry.

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You're correct, the fact you're double vaccinated makes no difference in Croatia.

To be allowed entry into Croatia, all travellers from the UK regardless of their vaccination status must present either a negative COVID-19 antigen test, which must not be older than 48 hours, or a negative PCR test, no older than 72 hours on arrival. People travelling to Croatia from the UK are not permitted to do these tests on arrival in Croatia. Passengers arriving without a valid test certificate will be denied entry to Croatia.

Any private test seems to be fine.

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-ad...y-requirements

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

Four Scottish health boards have now halted non-urgent procedures amid rising pressure on the NHS.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-58204236

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I’ve got a hospital appointment in a couple of weeks, I’ve not heard anything about it being cancelled yet. I’m not hopeful of it going ahead after reading that though.

Can I just say a big thanks to all that post answers to the questions on this thread. Trying to book a holiday just now is a bit of an information minefield so it’s very much appreciated :greengrin

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

Can I just say a big thanks to all that post answers to the questions on this thread. Trying to book a holiday just now is a bit of an information minefield so it’s very much appreciated :greengrin

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Friend is back from Croatia, said it was easy. Got a private test beside airport but could use any. Quick through airport then a test before he came home, said everywhere was advertising them for 25 euro. Then test when home, although not heard from track and trace over a week later now. Another in Spain says similar.

Adds 160 per person if Croatia about 90 for Spain, but save much more than that on the prices just now.

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

80,000 in the US now in hospital with covid, that number is doubling every 13 days. It should be their biggest hospital wave in around 10 days. Also of note 81% of cases are in trump states.

Although uptake is better than alot of countries, older groups and those with morbidities are much lower uptake than most in the west. So whilst our big spike in cases last month meant little hospitalisations, we had almost 100% uptake in over 60s.

Most states are fairly open even with huge cases sadly too. Stories like this is even more depressing when they have plenty vaccines

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1900318.html

Florida mother dies from Covid-19 days after giving birth

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1017 deaths in Florida alone yesterday, staggering when vaccines were open to all over 12 in May their

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

Can I just say a big thanks to all that post answers to the questions on this thread. Trying to book a holiday just now is a bit of an information minefield so it’s very much appreciated :greengrin

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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news....erson-12381039

I’m not sure if this applies to Scotland or not?

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https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news....erson-12381039

I’m not sure if this applies to Scotland or not?

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Yep it does.

Daily Scottish update;

1,383 new cases since yesterday - 5.6% positivity rate
Decrease of 17 in the confirmed cases in hospital since yesterday
Decrease of 2 in the confirmed cases in intensive care since yesterday
4,050,011 people have now received their first dose of the vaccine - 5,061 people since yesterday
3,431,062 people have now received their second dose of the vaccine - 19,011 people since yesterday
5 deaths registered since yesterday

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Yep it does.

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Ok that’s great thanks

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

You're correct, the fact you're double vaccinated makes no difference in Croatia.

To be allowed entry into Croatia, all travellers from the UK regardless of their vaccination status must present either a negative COVID-19 antigen test, which must not be older than 48 hours, or a negative PCR test, no older than 72 hours on arrival. People travelling to Croatia from the UK are not permitted to do these tests on arrival in Croatia. Passengers arriving without a valid test certificate will be denied entry to Croatia.

Any private test seems to be fine.

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-ad...y-requirements

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Cheers!

29,520 cases and 93 deaths registered in the UK today.

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

1017 deaths in Florida alone yesterday, staggering when vaccines were open to all over 12 in May their

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No, that’s across a whole week, they are only releasing figures weekly now, which is causing huge controversy considering they are the biggest basket case COVID wise in the US.

Meanwhile in Glasgow....

https://news.stv.tv/west-central/pie...ow-city-centre

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No, that’s across a whole week, they are only releasing figures weekly now, which is causing huge controversy considering they are the biggest basket case COVID wise in the US.

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Yep 1,071 deaths over 7 days not yesterday so an average of 153 per day.

In contrast in the UK we've averaged around 87 deaths per day despite having more than 3 times the population of Florida.

Florida's death toll isn't quite as bad as it was previously made out to be but it's still considerably worse than ours.

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No, that’s across a whole week, they are only releasing figures weekly now, which is causing huge controversy considering they are the biggest basket case COVID wise in the US.

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Ah cheers weird they have changed it. So 6 times worse than ours per head. Problem is they deaths are from cases 4 weeks ago when 7 day average was about 5,500 cases per day. Cases are now at 20,000 a day so deaths should quadruple in the month, and case are going up vertical. Its brutal and mirrored in most red states

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I was on a couple of trains yesterday. Only short hops, Brunstane to Haymarket then Haymarket to Waverley later in the day.

I would say those of us wearing masks stood out more than those who weren't. A definite majority not wearing. The no alcohol rule was being largely ignored as well.

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I've been on the train a couple of times in the last week and it was a large majority wearing masks, hardly anyone not.

The only alcohol I saw was a few celtic fans drinking on Thursday.

It was the daily mail that said it but will Spain be put on the red list for 2.9% of returning travellers testing positive? That is a lot less than our positivity rate.

Breakdown of today's cases by council area;

Glasgow - 150
North Lanarkshire - 125
Edinburgh - 122
Fife - 114
South Lanarkshire - 99
Dumfries and Galloway - 82
West Lothian - 54
North Ayrshire - 51
Renfrewshire - 44
East Dunbartonshire - 42
Highland - 40
East Ayrshire - 40
East Lothian - 38
Aberdeenshire - 35
Scottish Borders - 32
West Dunbartonshire - 31
Inverclyde - 31
Falkirk - 30
Dundee - 30
Argyll and Bute - 29
Perth and Kinross - 28
Aberdeen - 25
South Ayrshire - 22
East Renfrewshire - 18
Stirling - 16
Clackmannanshire - 16
Angus - 13
Midlothian - 12
Moray - 9
Na-h Eileanan Siar - 2
Orkney - 1

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Daily update - first dose;

UK - 47,215,352 (90.1% of adult population)

Wales - 2,310,898 (92.4% of adult population)
England - 39,612,597 (90% of adult population)
Scotland - 4,044,950 (89.9% of adult population)
Northern Ireland - 1,246,907 (86% of adult population)

Second dose;

UK - 40,206,029 (76.7% of adult population)

Wales - 2,132,116 (85.3% of adult population)
Northern Ireland - 1,109,693 (76.5% of adult population)
England - 33,552,169 (76.3% of adult population)
Scotland - 3,412,051 (75.8% of adult population)

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Daily update - first dose;

UK - 47,254,399 (90.2% of adult population)

Wales - 2,310,898 (92.4% of adult population)
England - 39,645,073 (90.1% of adult population)
Scotland - 4,050,011 (90% of adult population)
Northern Ireland - 1,248,417 (86.1% of adult population)

Second dose;

UK - 40,372,981 (77% of adult population)

Wales - 2,132,116 (85.3% of adult population)
Northern Ireland - 1,113,944 (76.8% of adult population)
England - 33,695,859 (76.6% of adult population)
Scotland - 3,431,062 (76.2% of adult population)

** Wales no longer release any data on a Saturday. **

The leader of New South Wales has warned this is "the worst situation Australia's been in" since the start of the Covid-19 pandemic.

State Premier Gladys Berejiklian said rules would be tightened in Sydney, the state capital, which is in lockdown.

Covid fines will also go up to AU$5,000 (US$3,685; £2,656) from AU$1,000.

"This is literally a war, and we've known we've been in a war for some time, but never to this extent," Ms Berejiklian told reporters.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-58170440

Update on florida these are for one day, they are going to have hundreds of deaths a day for months unfortunately

BNO Newsroom

BREAKING: Florida reports 25,812 new coronavirus cases, the biggest one-day increase on record, and 209 new deaths

If the current SG close down gigs last minute in the forthcoming weeks, then they can forget my vote next time.
Ive continually stuck up for them, however there is NO excuse to cancel any gigs in Scotland.

Do it.

Regret it.

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If the current SG close down gigs last minute in the forthcoming weeks, then they can forget my vote next time.
Ive continually stuck up for them, however there is NO excuse to cancel any gigs in Scotland.

Do it.

Regret it.

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If the current SG close down gigs last minute in the forthcoming weeks, then they can forget my vote next time.
Ive continually stuck up for them, however there is NO excuse to cancel any gigs in Scotland.

Do it.

Regret it.

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Was out tonight in the city centre for a few hours and would say it was 50/50 in terms of wearing masks and keeping your distance.

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It was the daily mail that said it but will Spain be put on the red list for 2.9% of returning travellers testing positive? That is a lot less than our positivity rate.

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No it isn't, latest ONS study suggests 1 in 190 people in Scotland have covid, which is about 0.5%.

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No it isn't, latest ONS study suggests 1 in 190 people in Scotland have covid, which is about 0.5%.

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But that's not based on testing. The daily positivity rate from testing was 5.6% yesterday.

UK is in a weird situation right now as we have some of, if not the worst, numbers in Europe. But because of the high vaccine levels, are getting a bit of a free pass when comparing ourselves with other countries.

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But that's not based on testing. The daily positivity rate from testing was 5.6% yesterday.

UK is in a weird situation right now as we have some of, if not the worst, numbers in Europe. But because of the high vaccine levels, are getting a bit of a free pass when comparing ourselves with other countries.

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I suppose it depends on the reason for testing here compared to all travellers being tested. Without testing everybody they can only guess.

Is Scotland lagging behind on vaccine certificates?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-57519070

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Is Scotland lagging behind on vaccine certificates?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-57519070

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It's beyond laughable, they've said it's coming imminently for 2 months. If a Scots person visits France Greece ect to see family he won't be able to go inside a restaurant. People from England can though as their apps are now linked

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Is Scotland lagging behind on vaccine certificates?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-57519070

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We do, and could be the end of next month before we have the app available

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It's beyond laughable, they've said it's coming imminently for 2 months. If a Scots person visits France Greece ect to see family he won't be able to go inside a restaurant. People from England can though as their apps are now linked

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Agreed. This kind of thing should never have been devolved and there should have been one app/process developed for the whole UK.

Daily Scottish update;

1,498 new cases since yesterday - 7.4% positivity rate
Decrease of 5 in the confirmed cases in hospital since yesterday
Increase of 1 in the confirmed cases in intensive care since yesterday
4,054,842 people have now received their first dose of the vaccine - 4,831 people since yesterday
3,449,901 people have now received their second dose of the vaccine - 18,839 people since yesterday
No deaths registered since yesterday

Breakdown of today's cases by council area;

Glasgow - 187
Edinburgh - 135
North Lanarkshire - 112
South Lanarkshire - 97
Fife - 97
Dumfries and Galloway - 80
Renfrewshire - 57
Highland - 55
North Ayrshire - 51
West Lothian - 49
East Lothian - 47
Aberdeenshire - 43
Aberdeen - 41
West Dunbartonshire - 37
Inverclyde - 34
Falkirk - 34
East Dunbartonshire - 33
Dundee - 33
East Renfrewshire - 32
Angus - 32
Midlothian - 30
Scottish Borders - 27
East Ayrshire - 26
South Ayrshire - 25
Perth and Kinross - 24
Stirling - 22
Argyll and Bute - 19
Moray - 15
Clackmannanshire - 15
Na-h Eileanan Siar - 7
Shetland - 1

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But that's not based on testing. The daily positivity rate from testing was 5.6% yesterday.

UK is in a weird situation right now as we have some of, if not the worst, numbers in Europe. But because of the high vaccine levels, are getting a bit of a free pass when comparing ourselves with other countries.

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That positivity rate is for people who have gone for a test because they think they might have covid. That's not comparable to testing returning travellers, all of whom are being tested.

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Agreed. This kind of thing should never have been devolved and there should have been one app/process developed for the whole UK.

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If England had a solid track record in producing this sort of stuff it might have been a viable option.

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If England had a solid track record in producing this sort of stuff it might have been a viable option.

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There's has been running for two months you can use it all over Europe, yet Scotlands is just round the corner. And they have had a working app for years not for this purpose but it was integrated easy so..

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There's has been running for two months you can use it all over Europe, yet Scotlands is just round the corner. And they have had a working app for years not for this purpose but it was integrated easy so..

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Like I said, if England had previously produced anything app wise during this crisis that actually did what it was supposed to the devolved nations might have been confident in adopting this one. However their track record is appalling both in application and cost.

GOAL!

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Like I said, if England had previously produced anything app wise during this crisis that actually did what it was supposed to the devolved nations might have been confident in adopting this one. However their track record is appalling both in application and cost.

GOAL!

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Can't be worse possibly than our application. Our passport app will be 3 months behind all of Europe. Our track and trace equivalent pinged 60 times less per head of population than England each week, unfortunately their wasn't nearly as little cases as that

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That positivity rate is for people who have gone for a test because they think they might have covid. That's not comparable to testing returning travellers, all of whom are being tested.

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Is it only tests for people who think they might have it or do those who are routinely tested count in the numbers?

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Can't be worse possibly than our application. Our passport app will be 3 months behind all of Europe. Our track and trace equivalent pinged 60 times less per head of population than England each week, unfortunately their wasn't nearly as little cases as that

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I take what you're saying about the passport but is their any evidence to suggest our track and trace was not working properly? Particularly as England had to tweak theirs to be less sensitive and Scotlands cases continued to fall.

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I take what you're saying about the passport but is their any evidence to suggest our track and trace was not working properly? Particularly as England had to tweak theirs to be less sensitive and Scotlands cases continued to fall.

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We were getting 1000 per week they were getting 600,000. 60 times less and that was in a month when we were getting the same amount of cases roughly, July. They are now getting 300,000 so still 30 times us

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We were getting 1000 per week they were getting 600,000. 60 times less and that was in a month when we were getting the same amount of cases roughly, July. They are now getting 300,000 so still 30 times us

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And our cases continue to fall.

It suggests to me another failing of the English app, I suspect they'll be tweaking it again.

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Is it only tests for people who think they might have it or do those who are routinely tested count in the numbers?

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It's a bit of both but the fact that it's ten times higher than ONS figures tells you it's not representative of population prevalence sp comparing it to positivity rates of returning travellers from Spain makes no sense.

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Ours is working well - can't even get into restaurants in France! 🙄

26,750 cases and 61 deaths registered in the UK today.

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And our cases continue to fall.

It suggests to me another failing of the English app, I suspect they'll be tweaking it again.

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Our cases are up about 10% England's up about 3% this week, although they have no rules.

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Daily update - first dose;

UK - 47,254,399 (90.2% of adult population)

Wales - 2,310,898 (92.4% of adult population)
England - 39,645,073 (90.1% of adult population)
Scotland - 4,050,011 (90% of adult population)
Northern Ireland - 1,248,417 (86.1% of adult population)

Second dose;

UK - 40,372,981 (77% of adult population)

Wales - 2,132,116 (85.3% of adult population)
Northern Ireland - 1,113,944 (76.8% of adult population)
England - 33,695,859 (76.6% of adult population)
Scotland - 3,431,062 (76.2% of adult population)

** Wales no longer release any data on a Saturday. **

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Daily update - first dose;

UK - 47,302,445 (90.3% of adult population)

Wales - 2,313,528 (92.5% of adult population)
England - 39,684,496 (90.2% of adult population)
Scotland - 4,054,842 (90.1% of adult population)
Northern Ireland - 1,249,579 (86.2% of adult population)

Second dose;

UK - 40,577,198 (77.4% of adult population)

Wales - 2,141,039 (85.6% of adult population)
Northern Ireland - 1,116,681 (77% of adult population)
England - 33,869,577 (77% of adult population)
Scotland - 3,449,901 (76.7% of adult population)

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It's a bit of both but the fact that it's ten times higher than ONS figures tells you it's not representative of population prevalence sp comparing it to positivity rates of returning travellers from Spain makes no sense.

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I had a look and the ONS number for England was 1 in 75, 1 in 190 here.
This is made up from survey results and I'd guess if it was testing results the number would be quite a bit higher.

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Agreed. This kind of thing should never have been devolved and there should have been one app/process developed for the whole UK.

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If this kind of thing wasn’t devolved then we would have been part of their £37bn test and trace program. Thankfully we were not and it has saved us a lot of money. If our passport app is a little slower coming out then I still think we are ahead on the deal.
Btw, my mate is in Ibiza this week and he has had no problem getting into places.[emoji106]


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I had a look and the ONS number for England was 1 in 75, 1 in 190 here.
This is made up from survey results and I'd guess if it was testing results the number would be quite a bit higher.

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The survey IS testing. They send swabs to a statistically representative sample of the population which are then processed the same way as all the other PCR tests. So even taking the English number of 1 in 75 (about 1.3%), if 2.9% of returning travellers from Spain have covid that's more than double the UK prevalence.

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The survey IS testing. They send swabs to a statistically representative sample of the population which are then processed the same way as all the other PCR tests. So even taking the English number of 1 in 75 (about 1.3%), if 2.9% of returning travellers from Spain have covid that's more than double the UK prevalence.

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Spain has a lower rate overall than the UK. Holidaymakers not behaving or infected whilst travelling?

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If this kind of thing wasn’t devolved then we would have been part of their £37bn test and trace program. Thankfully we were not and it has saved us a lot of money. If our passport app is a little slower coming out then I still think we are ahead on the deal.
Btw, my mate is in Ibiza this week and he has had no problem getting into places.[emoji106]


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Ibiza's not in France though! :greengrin

Our company has just cancelled phase 3 return

That's across the globe

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The survey IS testing. They send swabs to a statistically representative sample of the population which are then processed the same way as all the other PCR tests. So even taking the English number of 1 in 75 (about 1.3%), if 2.9% of returning travellers from Spain have covid that's more than double the UK prevalence.

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I've said all along I wouldn't pay attention to ons figures for scot, N I or Wales. They do 100,000 tests a week less than 1000 are not from England. Its a joke but a decent judge on English numbers. Travelers are more heavily in the younger age groups, who have a much much higher positivity rate than older people

Despite the 1200 medics in the lancet saying England fully opening would cause a bloodbath, its clearly went fine. It's mainly worked because so many old people stepped up unlike America, throw in past infection being heavily waited in refusers also

https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamJKuch...91162369155074

Adam Kucharski
Lots of countries will be looking at England for insights into how COVID relaxation could play out elsewhere – but need to look beyond comparisons of overall % vaccinated nationally, because age distribution could mean very different outcomes in terms of severe disease

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I've said all along I wouldn't pay attention to ons figures for scot, N I or Wales. They do 100,000 tests a week less than 1000 are not from England. Its a joke but a decent judge on English numbers. Travelers are more heavily in the younger age groups, who have a much much higher positivity rate than older people

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They've averaged over 9,000 a week in Scotland alone over the past 6 weeks so I'll maybe continue to pay attention to the actual Office for National Statistics, whilst acknowledging their published confidence intervals, rather than random posts on the internet.

My household is part of the ONS survey group - a local rep comes at a pre-arranged time to your door once a month, you answer a series of questions and carry out a PCR swab which is taken away by the rep.

It's a very well organised and efficient operation.

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My household is part of the ONS survey group - a local rep comes at a pre-arranged time to your door once a month, you answer a series of questions and carry out a PCR swab which is taken away by the rep.

It's a very well organised and efficient operation.

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How often do they mix it up and target not so well organised households?

Daily Scottish update;

1,567 new cases since yesterday - 9.6% positivity rate
Increase of 6 in the confirmed cases in hospital since yesterday
Decrease of 1 in the confirmed cases in intensive care since yesterday
4,058,482 people have now received their first dose of the vaccine - 3,640 people since yesterday
3,467,817 people have now received their second dose of the vaccine - 17,916 people since yesterday
No deaths registered since yesterday