Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

I think that might be right - but there is no jab and not likely to be for at least a year. I'm not worried for myself but surely most of us have relatives who regularly are advised to get flu jabs to protect them?

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I am advised to get the flu jab every year. I dont, I'm still here

The flu jab is a relatively recent phenomenon, what did we do before it?

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Originally Posted by Cataplana

I am advised to get the flu jab every year. I dont, I'm still here

The flu jab is a relatively recent phenomenon, what did we do before it?

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Quite a lot of people died.

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Originally Posted by Cataplana

I am advised to get the flu jab every year. I dont, I'm still here

The flu jab is a relatively recent phenomenon, what did we do before it?

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Lost more people to flu.

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Originally Posted by J.S

I dont know.

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It would be a good place to keep an eye on. It may save you needless worry about a doomsday scenario.

I get people's well founded concerns, but it seems to be a panic is breaking out based on what might happen, rather than what is happening.

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Originally Posted by Cataplana

I am advised to get the flu jab every year. I dont, I'm still here

The flu jab is a relatively recent phenomenon, what did we do before it?

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You seem rather relaxed about it.

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Originally Posted by Cataplana

It would be a good place to keep an eye on. It may save you needless worry about a doomsday scenario.

I get people's well founded concerns, but it seems to be a panic is breaking out based on what might happen, rather than what is happening.

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Thats a rather condascending post.
Im not panicking by any means. Im having a discussion. Do china make announcements on cancelled ops or staff shortages? Can we guage their health system against ours?

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

Lost more people to flu.

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How many more? Not being facetious, it's just I don't remember hearing of people dieing of flu in great numbers.

Why am I not dead if I haven't taken the jab?

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Originally Posted by Cataplana

I was wondering what your attitude to the risk of getting the flu is. I really wanted to reassure you that this virus doesn't appear to be any more serious than the flu.

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I've a very week immune system due to other health problems (nothing serious) and get the jags as I'm self-employed and can't afford to take to much time off work.
Something else to think about. If we did/do go into lock down for a good period of time, I'd be financially ducked.

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Originally Posted by J.S

Im not panicking by any means. Im having a discussion. Do china make announcements on cancelled ops or staff shortages?

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Sorry, i didn't mean to come across that way. I don't actually know, but that would be the first place to think about if you are concerned.

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Originally Posted by J.S

Would you feel more at risk in the office if you had an underlying health condition? Assuming you dont of course. It is resulting in pneumonia so anybody with copd or even asthma could be at risk not even going down the chemo and immune disorder route

I posted last night and deleted it as i felt it was too personal but one thing i did say was what if it gets into care homes, not just for the elderly but for any vulnerable group? How are we going to staff hospitals? The knock on effect from vital operations being cancelled due to staff illness is huge.

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I've got allergy induced asthma and occasionally use an inhaler.

I'm not saying it's nothing to be concerned about but the near hysteria in parts of the media is helping no one. As it stands even in China the virus has infected only 0.008% of the population and the infection rate seems to be stabilising.

I totally understand people's fears and the WHO, amongst others, seems to be treating this seriously but the general panic among people who really have little to fear isn't helpful and arguably leads to a general complacency that heightens the threat to those most at risk of developing serious illness.

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Originally Posted by DH1875

I've a very week immune system due to other health problems (nothing serious) and get the jags as I'm self-employed and can't afford to take to much time off work.
Something else to think about. If we did/do go into lock down for a good period of time, I'd be financially ducked.

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I can see why it would worry you. Although I don't have underlying problems , I would be wiped out by a prolonged period of illness too.

I don't deny the doomsday scenarios don't niggle at me occasionally, but I think if it does get that bad we will all be in the same boat, and life will go on.

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

I've got allergy induced asthma and occasionally use an inhaler.

I'm not saying it's nothing to be concerned about but the near hysteria in parts of the media is helping no one. As it stands even in China the virus has infected only 0.008% of the population and the infection rate seems to be stabilising.

I totally understand people's fears and the WHO, amongst others, seems to be treating this seriously but the general panic among people who really have little to fear isn't helpful and arguably leads to a general complacency that heightens the threat to those most at risk of developing serious illness.

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I know people.are panicking and maybe over reacting but id rather that than people who have just came back from.Tenerife or Italy swan about as if they are not a risk. Refusing to self.isolate etc, i personally dont think thats a huge help anyway as you can carry it without being ill apparently or be in the incubation period but people should be putting a little thought into it at least.

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Originally Posted by Cataplana

How many more? Not being facetious, it's just I don't remember hearing of people dieing of flu in great numbers.

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Not all of these are flu but a significant proportion are (the 2018 spike is apparently because a new strain emerged after the vaccine for that year was developed).

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/11...3577389141.jpg

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Why am I not dead if I haven't taken the jab?

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If you run back and forward across Shandwick Place blindfold you will not necessarily get run down by a bus.

Plus there is a general level of immunity in the population due to previous exposure to the flu and others having taken the vaccine. This does not apply to Covid-19 which will be spreading itself in entirely fertile ground to begin with.

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

Not all of these are flu but a significant proportion are (the 2018 spike is apparently because a new strain emerged after the vaccine for that year was developed).

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/11...3577389141.jpg




If you run back and forward across Shandwick Place blindfold you will not necessarily get run down by a bus.

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I know, I've tried it.

I note that fly deaths were falling from the 50s on, and that was before the time of mass vaccination. Is it possible other factors could have played a part?

Covid has not caused the devastation predicted in China.

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Originally Posted by Cataplana

I know, I've tried it.

I note that fly deaths were falling from the 50s on, and that was before the time of mass vaccination. Is it possible other factors could have played a part?

Covid has not caused the devastation predicted in China.

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Yes, you would imagine general rising levels of hygiene and nutrition among the population and standards of healthcare would also contribute to less deaths.

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Originally Posted by Cataplana

I know, I've tried it.

I note that fly deaths were falling from the 50s on, and that was before the time of mass vaccination. Is it possible other factors could have played a part?

Covid has not caused the devastation predicted in China.

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Yet (hopefully it won't at all but it's early to say atm), and remember that's with draconian limitations imposed on the population which might be harder to enforce here.

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

Yes, you would imagine general rising levels of hygiene and nutrition among the population and standards of healthcare would also contribute to less deaths.

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Has it hit India yet?

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

Yet (hopefully it won't at all but it's early to say atm), and remember that's with draconian limitations imposed on the population which might be harder to enforce here.

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The recovery rate is encouraging enough for me to say that reports of the end of mankind appear greatly exaggerated.

Have they got it in the US yet?

Total profiteering going on from Amazon on this. Charging £8 a bottle plus for pocket sized sanitizer gel that usually sells for £1.

£2 each for disposable single use face masks.

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Originally Posted by Colr

Total profiteering going on from Amazon on this. Charging £8 a bottle plus for pocket sized sanitizer gel that usually sells for £1.

£2 each for disposable single use face masks.

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The Chinese wore these masks before the virus, even when on holiday here. Doesn't seem to have done them any good.

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Originally Posted by Cataplana

The recovery rate is encouraging enough for me to say that reports of the end of mankind appear greatly exaggerated.

Have they got it in the US yet?

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Are there such reports? Or is it you that's greatly exaggerating?

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Originally Posted by Cataplana

The recovery rate is encouraging enough for me to say that reports of the end of mankind appear greatly exaggerated.

Have they got it in the US yet?

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I agree, but there is a large area of middle ground between "the end of the world" and "nothing to worry about".

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

I agree, but there is a large area of middle ground between "the end of the world" and "nothing to worry about".

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I agree, a sensible and dispassionate approach to a potential danger is a good way to go about it.

I support the measures in place at the moment, and the fact we have testing centres, and the ability to open "fever hospitals" if the need arises should be reassuring.

Keep Calm and Carry On.

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Originally Posted by Cataplana

You a big fan of Mark Twain? There was a hint of irony in what I was saying.

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"Irony" :faf:

Several posts accusing people of panicking needlessly and then greatly exaggerating about people greatly exaggerating isn't the best use of irony. Regardless of my thoughts on Mark Twain.

Also, you didn't mean "irony".

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Originally Posted by Colr

Total profiteering going on from Amazon on this. Charging £8 a bottle plus for pocket sized sanitizer gel that usually sells for £1.

£2 each for disposable single use face masks.

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My work sells alcohol gel, primarily to the hospitality industry.

10 phone calls this morning asking for it and there is literally none to be had. All 3 of our chemical suppliers are completely out.

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Originally Posted by WeeRussell

"Irony" :faf:

Several posts accusing people of panicking needlessly and then greatly exaggerating about people greatly exaggerating isn't the best use of irony. Regardless of my thoughts on Mark Twain.

Also, you didn't mean "irony".

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Ok, I disagree with what you say, but respect your right to hold that opinion.

I actually deleted the post you are referring to because I thought it was a bit smart arsed. Hopefully we can move on.

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

My work sells alcohol gel, primarily to the hospitality industry.

10 phone calls this morning asking for it and there is literally none to be had. All 3 of our chemical suppliers are completely out.

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My ex turned up with 3 bottles for me - he cares more than I expected :greengrin

His company are doing wee bottles with the company logo on it like you used to get umbrellas erc

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Originally Posted by Cataplana

Ok, I disagree with what you say, but respect your right to hold that opinion.

I actually deleted the post you are referring to because I thought it was a bit smart arsed. Hopefully we can move on.

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Absolutely :aok: I'd have not bothered responding had I noticed you deleted it before I posted again! I assumed you deleted it as you realised you hadn't been ironic :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

I've got allergy induced asthma and occasionally use an inhaler.

I'm not saying it's nothing to be concerned about but the near hysteria in parts of the media is helping no one. As it stands even in China the virus has infected only 0.008% of the population and the infection rate seems to be stabilising.

I totally understand people's fears and the WHO, amongst others, seems to be treating this seriously but the general panic among people who really have little to fear isn't helpful and arguably leads to a general complacency that heightens the threat to those most at risk of developing serious illness.

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Your point earlier about "unknowns" was a good one as well though.

Theoretically, in principle, a virus has the potential to have a devastating impact on humans. It is often hard to know when to stay calm and when to panic.

It can take a bit of time before understanding the nature of a virus and how best to treat it, in the meantime it can cause great human suffering. My Dad graduated as a doctor in 1979 and had various jobs between graduating and getting his first proper GP post in 1984. One of his jobs was at the health centre in Sighthill just as the HIV epidemic was taking off and the way he talks about it is terrifying. Obviously we know a lot more about that virus now and how to manage it but it caused a lot of death and suffering (and still does) before we got even close to understanding it.

As things stand, we shouldn't be panicking. Yet. But we should all be at the very least respectful of the impact this virus could have, and mindful of the fragility of certain members of our society.

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Originally Posted by Cataplana

Ninewells, Crosshouse, Queen Elizabeth University Hospital, Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh, etc.

In short a world class public health system.

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I keep reading in the SNP & Independence threads or hearing on the BBC that it's a shambles