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13-09-2019, 04:15 PM
J-C

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

And taxis also put their price up during busy periods as well.

No we don't, that's a complete lie. There are 2 normal prices 6am-6pm starts at £2.60 and 6pm-6am is £3.60, only prices dearer are xmas and new year. I've seen quotes from Uber at busy times going from city centre to the airport of £45-60 during a surge, our prices stay the same even when we're chocka but don't let the truth get in way of having a dig at taxi drivers.
13-09-2019, 04:30 PM
calumhibee1

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Originally Posted by Cataplana

The point is that you always know what you will pay in a taxi meter car (PHC are on the same tariff) as the price is set annually. You can never be sure how much an Uber will cost you.

Imagine if pubs operated on a surge pricing system, it would cost you more for a pint the busier the pub was. You would never be sure what your round would cost every time you went to the bar.

There’s no doubting that a surge system has downsides to it. But when you consider the fact that the fares are so low when it’s not surging then I think it’s something that most folk are happy to accept as part of the package.
13-09-2019, 04:33 PM
Cataplana

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

There’s no doubting that a surge system has downsides to it. But when you consider the fact that the fares are so low when it’s not surging then I think it’s something that most folk are happy to accept as part of the package.

The option is there if they want to take it. It pays to shop around.
13-09-2019, 04:34 PM
calumhibee1

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Originally Posted by J-C

No we don't, that's a complete lie. There are 2 normal prices 6am-6pm starts at £2.60 and 6pm-6am is £3.60, only prices dearer are xmas and new year. I've seen quotes from Uber at busy times going from city centre to the airport of £45-60 during a surge, our prices stay the same even when we're chocka but don't let the truth get in way of having a dig at taxi drivers.

So they don’t go up.. yet you go on to tell us about how they start at £2.60 then go up to £3.60 and then up again at Xmas and new year :aok:

With regards to a £60 Uber to the airport I’ve never saw anything close to that. However, I could pay for a good few £60 Uber’s to the airport and still end up better off because of how much I’ve saved elsewhere on them. That’s the nature of their pricing structure. Just because the meter is the traditional taxi method of deciding a fare it doesn’t make a new, more technologically advanced method wrong, as much as you might like to think it.
13-09-2019, 04:40 PM
patch1875

I done Uber for 3 months through last winter never seen an airport fare anywhere near that.

Cabbies think that the surge is constant trust me it’s not.
13-09-2019, 04:52 PM
calumhibee1

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Originally Posted by patch1875

I done Uber for 3 months through last winter never seen an airport fare anywhere near that.

Cabbies think that the surge is constant trust me it’s not.

I use it to go to and from the airport for work regularly and I’ve never saw it close to that either. And the 3x surge that has been mentioned a few times I’ve never saw anything close to that. I don’t even think I’ve saw it go 2x.

I’m not doubting that the system would allow it and it may well have even happened. But it would be a rarity to say the least.
13-09-2019, 05:01 PM
easty

On Christmas Day last year, I got an Uber from kingsknowe, to stop by the canny man in Stockbridge, then on to liberton golf club.

Just checked on the app.

2pm Christmas Day

£13.18

Cannae complain.
13-09-2019, 05:05 PM
patch1875

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

I use it to go to and from the airport for work regularly and I’ve never saw it close to that either. And the 3x surge that has been mentioned a few times I’ve never saw anything close to that. I don’t even think I’ve saw it go 2x.

I’m not doubting that the system would allow it and it may well have even happened. But it would be a rarity to say the least.

Even 2x will be cheaper than a black cab.

I’ve said before if it a surge cancel and try again in 5 mins as it draws cars to the area the demand will drop.
13-09-2019, 05:09 PM
calumhibee1

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Originally Posted by easty

On Christmas Day last year, I got an Uber from kingsknowe, to stop by the canny man in Stockbridge, then on to liberton golf club.

Just checked on the app.

2pm Christmas Day

£13.18

Cannae complain.

Wtf is the Canny Man? I live in Stockbridge and I’ve never heard of it :greengrin
13-09-2019, 05:13 PM
Pretty Boy

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

Wtf is the Canny Man? I live in Stockbridge and I’ve never heard of it :greengrin

The only Canny Man I can think off in Edinburgh is in Morningside.

There's a lot of detail about it on one of the 'worst pubs in Edinburgh' threads kicking about on here. It's by no means a rough pub but definitely merits it's place on the list.
13-09-2019, 05:36 PM
tamig

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Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee

These companies are going to end up pricing out taxi drivers who are required to do everything by the book, who have large overheads and who speak English and know where they're going.

We often complain about a low wage economy, but allow our greed as a consumer to actively facilitate it. It has "i'm all right jackery" written all over it.

Thats a pretty disgraceful generalisation you’ve made there.

I do have a bit of sympathy for J-C and the like having to go through The Knowledge etc, but there are choices for the drivers as well as the punters nowadays.
13-09-2019, 05:42 PM
Smartie

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

The only Canny Man I can think off in Edinburgh is in Morningside.

There's a lot of detail about it on one of the 'worst pubs in Edinburgh' threads kicking about on here. It's by no means a rough pub but definitely merits it's place on the list.

Anybody having a day out that included the Canny Man and a golf club should have some serious questions to answer regarding their jambo credentials.

The poster in question is allowed the benefit of the doubt for making the journey by uber. 399000 out of 400000 jambos would have just taken the rover.
13-09-2019, 05:48 PM
tamig

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Originally Posted by J-C

No we don't, that's a complete lie. There are 2 normal prices 6am-6pm starts at £2.60 and 6pm-6am is £3.60, only prices dearer are xmas and new year. I've seen quotes from Uber at busy times going from city centre to the airport of £45-60 during a surge, our prices stay the same even when we're chocka but don't let the truth get in way of having a dig at taxi drivers.

Do you not have rogue black cab drivers who rip folk off with surcharges? I think the bundle of joy that is hermit mentioned it in another post recently. Maybe in his beloved Musselburgh thread.
13-09-2019, 06:00 PM
easty

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

The only Canny Man I can think off in Edinburgh is in Morningside.

There's a lot of detail about it on one of the 'worst pubs in Edinburgh' threads kicking about on here. It's by no means a rough pub but definitely merits it's place on the list.

I meant morningside
13-09-2019, 06:01 PM
easty

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Originally Posted by Smartie

Anybody having a day out that included the Canny Man and a golf club should have some serious questions to answer regarding their jambo credentials.

The poster in question is allowed the benefit of the doubt for making the journey by uber. 399000 out of 400000 jambos would have just taken the rover.

I don’t was being dropped off there to go to dinner on Jordan Lane. My dad was going on to dinner at the golf club.
13-09-2019, 06:32 PM
Pete

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

Why does it matter if someone is forced to do a job or not? Do we just accept exploitative working conditions in any industry because 'no one is forcing them to do it'? I've done a few crap jobs in my time, particularly when I was younger; crap pay, crap conditions and being treated like ***** on someone's shoe would have been a step up on the respect ladder. It wasn't always as simple as 'just get a better job'.

Surely as a society we are better than that? I blame politicians and commentators who have turned 'hard working families' into a meaningless buzz word. It often appears to be made in reference to people working ridiculous hours, across multiple jobs in some instances, to make enough money to barely get by. That's then painted as some noble endeavour rather than the disgrace it is. It's a sad legacy for an entire generation of people to leave, they'll happily lecture a 20 something telling them that having a mobile phone is why they are struggling to get by though.

Implementing a proper living wage would have a bottom up effect of giving everyone a bit more money to spend. It will never happen though because there's too many vested interests and people happy to lay the blame at the feet of those who are struggling rather than asking why that is the case.

Spot on, especially your last paragraph. These companies should work out how much it takes to make their drivers employees and base the fares on what is actually possible.
This bogus self employment and ‘flexibility’ is a nonsense that flies in the face of all the workers rights that we’ve fought so hard for. Technology has the potential to make so many people’s lives better but far too often it’s enabling the select few to line their pockets while everyone else is gradually finding things tougher.
It’s a shame that people’s financial circumstances force them into a corner by taking the cheaper option, exacerbating the problem.
13-09-2019, 06:44 PM
Killiehibbie

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

I use it to go to and from the airport for work regularly and I’ve never saw it close to that either. And the 3x surge that has been mentioned a few times I’ve never saw anything close to that. I don’t even think I’ve saw it go 2x.

I’m not doubting that the system would allow it and it may well have even happened. But it would be a rarity to say the least.

The surge was well and truly over 3x the night The Rolling Stones were on last year. A girl waiting on the bus told me her normal 15-17 quid fare was quoted at £62, this was Princes St at half past midnight.
13-09-2019, 07:01 PM
patch1875

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Originally Posted by Killiehibbie

The surge was well and truly over 3x the night The Rolling Stones were on last year. A girl waiting on the bus told me her normal 15-17 quid fare was quoted at £62, this was Princes St at half past midnight.

It does happen when big events are on as the demand is much higher 5x was common at Hogmanay.
13-09-2019, 07:04 PM
J-C

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

So they don’t go up.. yet you go on to tell us about how they start at £2.60 then go up to £3.60 and then up again at Xmas and new year :aok:

With regards to a £60 Uber to the airport I’ve never saw anything close to that. However, I could pay for a good few £60 Uber’s to the airport and still end up better off because of how much I’ve saved elsewhere on them. That’s the nature of their pricing structure. Just because the meter is the traditional taxi method of deciding a fare it doesn’t make a new, more technologically advanced method wrong, as much as you might like to think it.

Look at his post again, he said taxi go up in price when it's busier, nonsense. The prices are set by the council and are a daytime and nighttime starting price which all metered PHC ( all 5's, all 7's ) have as well, we cannot decide to up our prices whenever it gets really busy like after a rugby match or busy times during the festival.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/511249...cause-of-snow/
13-09-2019, 07:31 PM
J-C

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Originally Posted by MSK

Ooft, way below the belt mate, you are better than that JC, play the baw not the man 👍

Probably right, typed before engaging the brain, can you delete yours too ta.
13-09-2019, 07:36 PM
MSK

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Originally Posted by J-C

Probably right, typed before engaging the brain, can you delete yours too ta.

Done mate 👍
13-09-2019, 07:37 PM
J-C

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Originally Posted by MSK

Done mate 👍

:aok:
14-09-2019, 08:20 AM
calumhibee1

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Originally Posted by J-C

Look at his post again, he said taxi go up in price when it's busier, nonsense. The prices are set by the council and are a daytime and nighttime starting price which all metered PHC ( all 5's, all 7's ) have as well, we cannot decide to up our prices whenever it gets really busy like after a rugby match or busy times during the festival.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/511249...cause-of-snow/

I’ve already said that I maybe worded it poorly. Point still stands though, taxis increase their prices at certain times, just like Uber do. It’s just on a more fixed, advertised basis. You’ve ignored numerous posts from me where I’ve acknowledged they can’t just do it as and when they feel like it so I’m not sure what your point is there.

Without knowing for certain what the logic is for the pricing increases and the time of them I’m presuming it’s because certain times are busier and/or less desirable to work (such as Christmas). If that’s not the case then maybe you can tell me what the logic behind the different tariffs is? And you could maybe even do it like an adult without pathetic personal insults.
14-09-2019, 08:32 AM
Cataplana

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

I’ve already said that I maybe worded it poorly. Point still stands though, taxis increase their prices at certain times, just like Uber do. It’s just on a more fixed, advertised basis. You’ve ignored numerous posts from me where I’ve acknowledged they can’t just do it as and when they feel like it so I’m not sure what your point is there.

Without knowing for certain what the logic is for the pricing increases and the time of them I’m presuming it’s because certain times are busier and/or less desirable to work (such as Christmas). If that’s not the case then maybe you can tell me what the logic behind the different tariffs is? And you could maybe even do it without pathetic personal insults.

People are incentivised to work anti social hours by a higher tariff. It's much the same as many other industries in that way.
14-09-2019, 08:36 AM
calumhibee1

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Originally Posted by Cataplana

People are incentivised to work anti social hours by a higher tariff. It's much the same as many other industries in that way.

I don’t have an issue with the fact there’s tariffs btw. It makes sense to me to have them. I also don’t have an issue with Uber’s surge set up.
14-09-2019, 08:44 AM
Cataplana

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

I don’t have an issue with the fact there’s tariffs btw. It makes sense to me to have them. I also don’t have an issue with Uber’s surge set up.

Neither do I. It's fair enough, and now I know a bit more about Uber, I might consider them.

If using a taxi meter service though, I'll put my trust in someone who knows the best route, before an unskilled driver that doesn't know the city.

PHC discounts tend to get eaten up by the crap touted tgeyr drivers take.
14-09-2019, 08:46 AM
calumhibee1

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Originally Posted by Cataplana

Neither do I. It's fair enough, and now I know a bit more about Uber, I might consider them.

If using a taxi meter service though, I'll put my trust in someone who knows the best route, before an unskilled driver that doesn't know the city.

PHC discounts tend to get eaten up by the crap touted tgeyr drivers take.

I presume Beep Beep is a PHC?
14-09-2019, 08:48 AM
Cataplana

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

I presume Beep Beep is a PHC?

I think it's an app driven service like Uber.
14-09-2019, 08:49 AM
calumhibee1

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Originally Posted by Cataplana

I think it's an app driven service like Uber.

:aok:
14-09-2019, 10:44 AM
J-C

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

I presume Beep Beep is a PHC?

It's all the 7's, they already have large signs on the west stand.

My point was also taxis do not raise prices willy nilly like Uber do just because it's busy.

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