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Did you read the post you quoted mate?Quote:
Originally Posted by WeeRussell
I can believe something happened and not categorically say that it 100% did (as I don’t have the proof).
And I gave lots of other reasons for why I believe it (probably) happened other than not liking the SNP haha.
Nope - there is a difference between saying I believe something probably happened (which is my opinion only) and saying something definitely did happen (which is a statement of fact).Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
Ok - I will take your word for that. I thought that was a direct quote. Thanks for clarifying.
I did. You said that whether you believe it to be true is not your opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
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Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
Oh my & I thought they were gettin back on top of these lying brexit russki lying types, with they’re trolling disinformation & influencing! Schoolboy error!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
Ah, the old defence of saying "allegedly " when accusing someone and thinking that means you didnt ,actually accuse them!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
Yes, what you have tried to pass off as quotes from Donaldson were actually what the MI5 officer alleged in his report. Never backed up by anyone else and again never believed by the then secretary of state or the police and therefore Donaldon was released without charge
Maybe I’m tired or something but I don’t get this post?Quote:
Originally Posted by majorhibs
Am I being called a liar? What have a lied about in either of those posts?
But I didn’t do that?? I am just telling you what I believe to be true. You seem to be upset that I personally believe something.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
I have conceded I can’t prove it and told you what my opinion is based on. But I believe it just like people believe in lots of things they can’t prove. Not something to get upset about.
Sorry if I have offended you in some way.
Personally I don't think you're lying, I think you are mistaken and have bought into a myth that keeps getting used by unionists to try to prove some kind of neo nazism in the SNP, allied to your dislike of the SNP you are happy to believe the mythQuote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
Ok well thanks for that. I’m not accusing the SNP of being neo-nazis either btw.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
I seem to be getting accused of being a troll, a liar and someone else who presumably posted on here previously.
I’ve maybe misjudged what can and can’t be posted - will stick to hibs topics to avoid hassle in future.
Honestly not offended in the slightest. The written word often doesn't come across well in a debate. One of my dearest friends is a unionist and nothing will ever persuade him otherwise. I would never fall out with him nor take offence at his stance. I don't agree with him but it's his right to his beliefs and I respect him for that. So no offence taken at allQuote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
How many times? OCD or what? What ye tryin to prove & who to? Who do you work for? How long since you last slept? Any chance postin summat sensible instead of what you obv know will be devisive here due to past posts? Or better still go oot & have a pint or find a girlfriend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
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Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
I'm not the SNP so have no problem talking about it. My very early memories of the SNP as a political party are from the 1970's when they seemed to be represented by some real cranks, a tiny amount of earnest students and some honest to goodness weirdos. Not even beneath the surface was a lot of Anti-English sentiment. I've no particular love or passion for the SNP so can see discuss the article.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
In your link Arthur Donaldson had this as his plan.
"The government would leave the country and England's position would be absolutely hopeless, as poverty and famine would be their only reward for declaring war on Germany. Scotland, on the other hand, has great possibilities," Mr Donaldson is recorded as saying.
"The movement in Scotland must then be able to show the German government that it is organised and has a clear-cut policy, that it is not with England in the war.
"The German government will give them every possible assistance in their early struggle, and when fire and confusion is at its height in England the movement can start in earnest."
That's disgusting. To seek to make political capitol from a neighbouring countries misfortune is the thought process of an absolute weirdo. It just goes to show though, fascism isn't anything to do with governing a country, its plain gangsterism as it was in Nazi Germany and as it is now in Russia. Power grabs and stroking egos with cash while using any old local petty bigotry to get a foothold. There's a book out there "Fascism In Scotland" which describes a "new form of bigotry trying to make a name for itself in an already crowded market" but all it does is use old ones to stoke division.
The SNP spokeman's answer is pathetic and they shouldn't keep quiet about it, the should talk about this guy as an example of how dangerous personalities can seek power.
If its true.
It was 60 years ago he was Leader of the SNP. It was niche partisan outfit. Politics change, in 1960 there were Tory politicians who came round to realising having a state owned power grid and railway could actually have a good effect on the economy.
At the moment for me the SNP or Indyref2 and arguing the whys and wherefores of is small fry compared to what is happening around us and what is within our country.
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Absolute not what posted before to your obv amusement. Not amusingQuote:
Originally Posted by majorhibs
Some hilarious stuff on here tonight.[emoji23]
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Knock yourself out.Quote:
Originally Posted by majorhibs
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Spot on Kato, but what is not being considered was the political climate during the late 30s was that owning a Daschund made you a quisling. I have read elsewhere that Donaldson would have liked to have worked with Nazi Germany had they succeeded in invading Great Britain, however imho he and his few members at this time would have been nothing but a nuisance rather than any credible threat. Real spies and agitators would have been of much more importance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
Absolutely, 100%, spot on completely, what I uselessly attempted last night with no eyes left, fingers thumbs, brain at -10% although may have mixed last 3 up, is how, nowadays, with alleged enlightenment, how decisions or actions in history can ever be related to actions now, when we all know decisions made by people in power today do NOT result in death/elimination of said person/family/nation but decisions & actions made in history did! Obviously excepting current Ukrainian situation, which seems to draw many comparisons with barbaric history. As far as the frankly disgusting deflection such a headline to this thread creates while the similar headlined thread was about pointing out ever yet more lies from a current government who imo must be by so far you couldn’t measure the biggest lying govt the UK has ever known, well that individual got WAY too much attention from me due to me stupidly thinking that it was a poster from long ago I’d liked, green & glaikit. Apologies to old time quality poster G & G, & I won’t be spending too much future time wasting on etonian wannabees like your near namesake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
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Originally Posted by majorhibs
History is there to learn from.
I like Vodka, Chekov's short stories, Gogol's novels and the idea of having a samovar with an endless brew. I'm not expecting either a medal from Putin or a tap on the door from MI5. If I'd been born in Russia, been allowed by their dictator to come to this country with a few billion in my pocket and sought to destabilise the UK economy, political institutions and relationships with the near neighbours I'd expect both. At the end of ww2 they had a programme of de-Nazification, sadly they didn't do it here.
The difference between you & me, my friend, is I have a rope around my neck, & you, do not! (c/o Tuco), the other big difference wi me is the bigger the lying politician, the bigger I dislike them! Why is it I feel pretty unique in this nowadays?
History, in all its horror & brilliance, is ruined nowadays by zealots who think they are anything.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-60767736
Thats not Blackford lying again is it ?
Home Office minister Kevin Foster tweeted: "It would be wrong to move children without attempting to reunite them with their family first and without the agreement of their home and host governments."Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
This appears to be his response to Blackford's remarks about orphans. And this demonstrates that Blackford's lying? :confused:
Nah mate. Nowadays anything’s fair game! Orphans living in Orphanages? Move along now, greenginge & torys don’t see a story or headline here. Sortae sums them up imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
**** me, this thread is badly in need of an interpreter at this stage.
Let's reunite orphans with their parents seems to the UK government plans all along.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Read the article. There has been no agreement with Ukraine or Polish governments to move the children. ( not surprising considering well over 1 million people have crossed the Polish border )Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
The Home Office will facilitate travel if consent is given.
In other words the children can’t be moved without Polish and Ukraine permission.
Blackford states “” a week on and the Home Office is the ONLY obstacle in the way “
That sounds like a lie to me, either that or Blackford hasn’t got a clue what he’s talking about.
Good morning!Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
This tells me two things. One, that your world is neatly divided into black and white, where issues are either one thing or another, with no room for nuance. And two, that you believe the UK Gov explanation and don't believe the SNP explanation. We're all acting on what is reported, it's just that we differ in who we believe.
He has said today that he has all of the relevant approvals except for the UK government. They have missed the plane on Friday but if the UK gov don't get the finger out they will also miss Monday's flightQuote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
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Originally Posted by greenginger
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Originally Posted by grunt
https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?...=1#post6893855Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
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They won’t make the plane, we have missed the deadline for Home Office approval and it has had to be postponed.
The report found:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mcbizz1998
The Scottish government does not have an analysis of the total amounts paid out to different sectors.
For sector specific funding administered by national organisations, such as Scottish Enterprise, about 20% of payments cannot currently be matched to council areas.
And information to enable wider analysis of how funding supported specific groups, such as female-owned businesses, is not available from centrally held data.
Not sure how any of that justifies the Labour "mired in secrecy" complaint as reported by BBC. "Lack of granularity" would be more accurate shirley.
Given the huge praise Stevie C has given Ian Blackford on the main page think you might be due him an apology.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
:agree:Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
No doubt Blackford put a lot of effort into the situation, but he still turned it into a political bashing issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-60787601
Read the article.
” Patel says,
I am extremely grateful to the authorities in Ukraine, who have NOW confirmed to me that the children can come here “
Nothing could happen without Ukraine approval, and considering they have millions of cases it wasn’t going to happen overnight.
But just blame the U k Gov. if it makes you feel good.
Gie it a rest, you're making yourself look a bit foolishQuote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
If the UK government had been as welcoming as Poland, Moldova, Romania, Hungary and Slovakia with open borders and no unnecessary paperwork this could have been resolved without the need for Blackford's intervention.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Also from that BBC article
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"While this process has been more difficult than it needed to be, all that matters now is that these children will be in a place of safety and I am pleased beyond words," he said.
"I want to pay tribute to everyone who has worked hard to make this happen, including the Scottish charity Dnipro Kids, the Ukrainian and Polish authorities, the Scottish government, Edinburgh City Council, and all those who have helped resolve issues at the Home Office."
He added: "It's essential that the UK government learns lessons and removes unnecessary barriers and delays to supporting displaced children and families."
You called Ian Blackford a slob earlier in the thread. You may wish to retract this slur and apologise, given the amount of work he's put in to help the Dnipro kids charity, or are you so hateful it's beneath you.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
So Ukraine wasn't bothered about the orphans leaving the country (they had already left) but it was Ukraine that was preventing them being in the UK. Seems plausible.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
“Patel says” is never a good way to begin your argument…Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Anyway, you are aware it is possible for her to confirm it’s now been confirmed and not mean it wasn’t held-up at this end rather than in Ukraine? It’s not like Patel left a voicemail and has been waiting for them to call back and say aye.
Jeez take a day off man. I’ll take Stevie’s on the ground account of what has gone on to get this done over a bunch of known liars in the UK government or their simps on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Well done to Ian Blackford and your work in supporting the Dnipro kids, I still don’t like him, but credit where credit is due.
I kind of see where you are coming from by the letter of the apparent law here but really cannot see that our Home secretary has done anything proactive here, or generally at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
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Eh? She's stood up in the House of Commons and proclaimed that the UK's got a great record of looking out for refugees. If that's not the same thing as helping refugees I don't know what is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
Oh don’t - that line is still ringing in my head from question time last night!Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
Was it on the side of a bus though?Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
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No, of course not. Putting something on the side of a bus was a pure populist stunt by Vote Leave, and no government department would stoop to that. Home Office traditionally uses the sides of a van to promote its policies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
HiFirstly , there is no way the UK gov could move those children to the UK without Ukrainian Gov consent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
As orphans they will be the responsibility of the Ukrainian State.
Now if someone could obtain a copy of this permission and its dated 10 days ago , then Patel and Co are to blame.
If on the other hand permission only came through yesterday, the the moon- howlers on here have made ar**s of themselves once again.
I'm just thinking Patel must have been doing off the radar style lobbying to get it done then.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
No doubt Blackford (whose party I do not support) was the one doing the pressing to get it across the line...
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As StevieC posted in the wee small hours of this morningQuote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?356787-Dnipro-Kids-Evacuation-Update&p=6894867&viewfull=1#post6894867
I cannae stand the pompous windbag either but I'd assumed he was involved with this as a member of the charity/Hibs fan rather than as an attempt to make some sort of political capital from it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
Regardless of political allegiances, EVERYBODY needs to listen to Stevie C; he knows what has been/is happening.
If he contradicts someone's view, then I know who I believe. I can't imagine that GG meant to call him a moon howler and an a**e, but he disagrees with him, so maybe he did?
iirc, Stevie is an SNP member. I can't imagine he's going to appear on GG's xmas card list!Quote:
Originally Posted by ACLeith
Politicians from all sides of the House were full of praise for her in the Commons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
If you search online there's plenty of positive stuff about it, but it might mean you reading positive stories about a Tory so tread carefully!
You'll not read about it on here or in the Guardian though, only bad things the gov does are allowed.
And she’s a secret hun, according to the Manchester Evening News?Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
My favourite Truss story, tops even Cheese and Pork Markets.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/top-tory-liz-truss-filmed-21774565.amp
Not going to fall out with you on this one[emoji106]Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
I don't by Newspapers or subscribe to the guardian
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Politicians from all sides of the House were full of praise for the Home Secretary? Link please, I've completely missed that.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
Isn't it strange then, that loads of other countries have managed to take in thousands of Ukrainian refugees. If it was the Ukrainians holding things up, then why were they only stopping them coming to the UK?Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
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It was in the Commons when she announced the news. Not sure how to find a link but I'm sure you'll manage to find it if you look!!Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
It was on every news channel though, dunno how you missed it.
That's a belter!!Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Didn't realise she was a gay Tory. Whatever next :greengrin
I'm no fan of hers, but credit where it's due.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
She got the job done though, which is the most important point in all of this. I'm pretty sure we all agree on that.
First thing that comes up, a story two hours old, is Tories complaining about her. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2038961.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
Sorry, my mistake, I thought we were talking about Liz Truss.
Humanitarian reasons? 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
IQuote:
Originally Posted by ACLeith
Of of course I wasn’t referring to Stevie C
I was referring to the half dozen or so posters on here who turn virtually every thread into some kind of UK gov bashing thread.
As far as I can see from Stevie C’s posts , he’s never joined that club , so to suggest I included him was false.
However who caused the delay might or might not come out one day, but let’s all just be happy that the kids are here and safe.
Never crossed my mind that you were.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
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Oh, her. How some leftie wags are characterising that isQuote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
"Will you pay the £400million to free Radcliffe?"
Johnson: No
Hunt: No
Raab: No
Truss: Ok then
Were politicians of all hues really saying she'd played a blinder, or just welcoming the overdue release? I didn't see the announcement live.
I’m with the 1/2 dozen or so moon howlers & erses every time V the tories or greenginger, frankly imo screamin Lord Sutch was vastly superior at politics than any of this current lot & I think he grasped the ins & outs better also, because the Planet he was coming from actually was closer to our Planet here than greenginge/patel/Johnson’s etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Yes it is unusual the UK seems to be the only country that the Ukrainians would have an issue with their citizens fleeing war going to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
Maybe all the other countries didn't have all those folk howling at the moon we keep hearing about, so you can surely understand why the Ukrainian government would want to see refugees fleeing for their lives to go there first?Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
Especially if, as has been pointed out, the Ukrainian government seemed to have a need to pre approve / delay entry into other apparent places of safety.
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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
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Not sure which of the SNP threads this belongs on but I think that no matter how strong anyone's allegiance to te Scottish government, most would agree this is a screw-up of hefty (and clearly ongoing) proportions:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-60837254
There should be a full enquiry into that and if criminality is found people should go to jail. If its just incompetence the people should be sacked and named.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
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No dressing that up, that is ****ing ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
What a f up, seeing Salmond's face right in the middle of it does help the PR either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
Right up there with Grayling spending money on boats that didnt exist.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/ar...ith-no-ferries
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Yup, they should really go to town on f-ups like that.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
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I agree with this. The govt shouldn’t be getting into the ship building industry or trying to run airports. So far, they haven’t managed to make either viable businesses.
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I'm starting to get nervous about them running the ScotRail franchise now. A lot of chat about services & station facilities being reduced/slashed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Got to agree with this. It's got impending disaster written all over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by speedy_gonzales
I think the Calmac and Prestwick things are ultimately well meaning attempts to save jobs, but Scotgov must take some lessons from how badly they've turned out and that cutting corners, however well intentioned, is not a good thing when you're using public money.
100% correct. Both were the right thing to do at the time, just been badly managed. I don't necessarily think we need to privatise them again as in principle I have no issues with publicly owned industry. The government needs to learn from these on how to run a nationalised industry. They should also take lessons from the publicly owned Scottish Water which generally seems to be ok, not without issues but okQuote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
These aren’t nationalised industries though, they are nationalised companies that are competing with private companies. In the case of Prestwick, there is a reason it needed saving. It’s an airport that is too far away from any population centres and it’s competing with two bigger airports in the two biggest population centres in Scotland. If it’s problems were only short term then it would have been sold by now. As for Ferguson Marine, it looks like we have saved a shipyard that can’t build boats. We’re those jobs worth saving? Thankfully we seem to have learned a lesson there and the latest order for ferries went to somewhere that can.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
Scotrail is a bit different in that it’s a natural monopoly so it’s possible to run it properly but it needs done at arms length from govt. There are plenty example of nationalised railways done properly but they all need govt subsidy of one form or another.
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I think we are in agreementQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Considering some of the hoops small firms have to jump through to get onto public sector tender lists and the, sometimes expensive and over specified, insurances and bonds that have to be in place in order to be awarded contracts it seems completely ridiculous that a contract was entered into without the required guarantees in place to protect the client. Who in their right mind goes into a contract of that size without being contractually secure?Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
Err the Scottish GovernmentQuote:
Originally Posted by Sergio sledge
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/topic...ticles/z7dyvk7Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
Very good… nice piece of deflectionQuote:
Originally Posted by CapitalGreen
So what now? This order is projecting to be at least £153million over budget. That is £500,000 per job. Is the business really saved? Are the jobs really saved? Why has the order for 2 more ferries gone to Turkey?
It’s a balls up, plain and simple. The jobs are not saved as it’s hard to see why anyone would ask that yard to ever build a boat for them now. They have no chance of ever getting UK govt work while it’s owned by the SG. The minute these ferries are eventually finished I think this yard will be closed. This was a stupid idea from day one and plenty people said so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
As for the last question, I would have thought it was obvious?
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I hope people are aware that the wiring which is not fit for purpose and needing replacing was complete before the Scottish Government became involved.
When did that ever stop critics of the SNP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
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And as I understand it, it they were fit for purpose when installed. design changes made after the cables were installed meant they were no longer fit for purpose to the new design.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
But when did that ever stop some supporters of the SNPQuote:
Originally Posted by Skol
Literally in the 10 posts or so before yours there's SNP supporters saying the government got it wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by Berwickhibby
Edit: Apologies, I'm guessing you mean 'some' .. and on that I agree, its clear to see with some supporters of the other parties as well. There's always some :agree:
Edited to some as you are absolutely correctQuote:
Originally Posted by Just Alf
Derek Mackay seems to be getting the blame:
Nicola Sturgeon ‘throwing Derek Mackay under the bus’ after blaming him for ferry fiasco | Scotland | The Times
The pics of one of the unfinished ferries being 'launched' with painted-on windows is especially cringeworthy.
I wonder if it’s a school bus 🤭🤭Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
The Scottish Government will be praying nothing goes wrong with the Lochaber Smelter plant, they are on the hook for nearly £600M in guarantees if it does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
The Ferry's and Prestwick would be small fry compared to this.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-59332620
"They came up with something called "Project Boots", in which investors would buy bonds in return for guaranteed quarterly payments.
What was unusual about this transaction was that the Scottish government was also involved - guaranteeing to meet the payments even if the power stations broke down or the smelter couldn't afford them.
The Financial Times has fought a two-year freedom of information battle to confirm the size of this "taxpayer guarantee" - and, following intervention from Scotland's information commissioner, the government has revealed the figure to be £586m."
What would the price be if all the devolved Govt's investments came home to roost. £2B? £3?
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McColl: Ferry contract was awarded for 'political gain':
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/s...oost-bd7mdlpg9
Like the "levelling up" projects favouring constituencies who voted Tory?Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
I don't see the scandal with this unless both are scandals?
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I guess nothing's ever a scandal if whataboutery can be deployed as the default response.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
Yousaf certainly seems to think there's nothing to see here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-60886637
It is a scandal by the looks of it. I'm joining in with you, as I said above if any SNP person is guilty of wrongdoing in this they should be taken to task, jailed if need be. You can read what I said above.Quote:
Originally Posted by He's here!
If whataboutery means going after other political criminals, like gaslighting rapists, PPE fraudsters, COVID loan fraudsters, MP liars, litigious money launderers, those in cahoots with Putins oligarch minions - surely now is the time to go after them as well. Where is your whataboutery, when whataboutery is very much required these days? If politics is to function as a positive force we need more and consistent whataboutery to get rid of ALL the criminals/incompetents.
They are "loathsome" and "horrible" as well, no? Or is your silence of these elements within the Conservative and Unionist Party tacit support?
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