The package didn’t cover the cup so it won’t be involved. It will 100% go ST, Half, Public. And that’s as it should be. It will also be 1 ticket per ST. So people better get their Network setup quick.Quote:
Originally Posted by green day
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The package didn’t cover the cup so it won’t be involved. It will 100% go ST, Half, Public. And that’s as it should be. It will also be 1 ticket per ST. So people better get their Network setup quick.Quote:
Originally Posted by green day
Is this the authorities taking revenge on us for having the audacity to beat the Huns and spoil their OF ‘big cup final’?
As said before, there is a dangerous precedent being set here for any further finals/semi’s we get to against the OF (also for the likes of Hearts & Aberdeen, who should be supporting us in complaining to the SPFL) and flies in the face of sporting integrity and fair play. Never would this sort of one sided bias be allowed when arranging supporters allocation for an English cup final.
I think the club should make a stance and say it's either a 50/50 split, or refuse to take any tickets. This wont be the last final we make, and this is now the rules for future finals.:rolleyes:
That'll get support right enough :faf:Quote:
Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
100% Agree one of the best ways to handle this is to grant those who purchased semi final tickets first chance of final tickets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brooster
Looking at the detail of our seating allocation, it would suggest that we will again have Opposition fans above us in the south upper . We only have been given section Q…yet upper sections M and N are above our south stand allocation all the way to the corner flag area ….
That won’t happen. STs will always get first dibs on anythingQuote:
Originally Posted by Stokesy's on fire
Madness for anyone to suggest otherwise- someone attending a one off match has dibs over someone who’s shelled out £400 this season and the same last (for no matches)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
Never going to happen and ridiculous to even think about.
Why do you always pretend to know absolutely everything? You constantly speak about our owner as if you know him personally. You seem to appear on so many threads telling everyone they’re wrong. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by CMurdoch
Ridiculous. Sure, if we are lucky enough to be winning/win the game, those fans above us will take it all in good grace and won’t even think about chucking objects down 🙄Quote:
Originally Posted by bigwheel
is it even possible to buy a half ST? I’m on the website and can only see STs and 5 or 8 match packages for saleQuote:
Originally Posted by Brightside
Not yet but the club will be missing a trick if they don’t do them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pagan Hibernia
They were also available (from around mid-December) last year but it wasn’t heavily advertised.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pagan Hibernia
Of course it wont get the support it should get, but you watch the next time we get to a final against either cheeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crunchie
It will then just be expected we receive a smaller allocation.
You just know your place Crunchie, and bend over please.:rolleyes:
Part of the issue is their seems to be no rules or guidelines.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
It wasn’t like they said semi finals will dictate final allocation.
1st final with fans post covid where we had no fans for a year and you would think they would want to be as fair as possible but if you aren’t the old firm you aren’t getting 50 % of tickets for a final anytime soon.
I’m assuming if people signed up to the 5/8 package of games they’ll be able to upgrade to a half season ticket if Hibs go down that route, all becomes a bit complicated then. The fans that have committed to these games should be given this opportunity if it’ll help secure them a final ticket.
Could we orchestrate a campaign to swamp the SPFL social media channels with allegations of corruption. I have just started in my own small way and will spend some time posting up comments on the corruption of that body on any thread relating to the semi, final or league cup. Let's make a mess of their Social Media and try and at least embarrass them. If there are contacts with other fans groups from other clubs they could join the fun as this will be a similar story for them when they next reach a final
I think you should all boycott the game! :grr:
(at least until I can get a ticket :wink:)
I'm also thinking of contacting my MSPs, Murdo Fraser will surely take up the baton on our behalf for fairness.Quote:
Originally Posted by wookie70
That's a good idea. Agree to take 17.500 and sell none. Leave the whole end empty and boycott. Then the SFA may realise this is not fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
The North Stand is a major player/twelfth man for any club.
spflQuote:
Originally Posted by canonhannon
It won't do any harm but this is a football issue imo and should be kept within the game and its supportersQuote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
That's what we need to do as if we lie down and accept this then next time they will give us even less.Quote:
Originally Posted by wookie70
It's time to get organised!
Hit sponsors as well as once that happens then the pressure will be put on the SPFL.
Yep and also gives them the majority of the best seats in the stadium while we are stuck behind the goals.Quote:
Originally Posted by CanonHannon
We need to fight this and also make sure plenty of banners are at the game showing Scottish football for the joke setup that it is.
Also keep askiing why we are in the West Side of ground when we are coming from Edinburgh?
That would cost us money, unless a club makes a stance on this, then this is the norm for ever. Football needs to be fair, even when we know it's not, it needs to be seen to be fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by CanonHannon
I can see them getting more if we couldnt sell those tickets, but now it is just take what you are given and be quiet.
We are next up in a cup final, we are the ones who are being trod all over, we should have the backbone to stand up and tell them to shove their tickets, it's either 50/50 or none.
Bombard the SPFL with complaints
Phone:0141 620 4140
Email: [email protected]
As much as I'm annoyed that the SPFL/SFA decide on the end we're in according to who the opposition are, I'm happy that we're in the West this time, as it means I can get to and from the stadium with a lot less hassle.
Nothing to do with the SFAQuote:
Originally Posted by CanonHannon
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Originally Posted by green day
True, but the SFA actually own the stadium so, in this instance, it might be worth while complaining to them as well as the SPFL
Ridiculous as per usual from the people running our game, any team no matter who should start with a 50% allocation for semi’s and finals, these games are taken from club grounds to be neutral anything less than 50/50 takes that away and has one team at a disadvantage.
Any tickets not sold the other club should get the opportunity to take up the seats no brainer IMO but the opportunity to take a 50% share to the national stadium for a final should be given to all clubs first.
ThisQuote:
Originally Posted by Steven79
We need to fight this all the way and quickly as it will start off with 17,500 but next time they will give us even less.Quote:
Originally Posted by gbhibby
The time to fight is now or we and every other club that plays the Old Firm in a final from here on in will be pushed further out...
Every little bit we can do, but it's a real battle as NO 50/50 = "No Sporting Integrity"Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven79
Time to get emailing.
GGTTH
Tickets on sale later this week.
We need banners on the day in our end as well on the day, let's create a siege mentallity and take on the SPFL and beat them then beat Celtic in Glasgow to lift the cup.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Hi-Bee
We need fans of other teams to get on board as this isn't just Hibs as some day it will be Hearts, Aberdeen, Dundee United etc etc being shafted.
I emailed this. Please join the fun and at least get a good vent in an email and try to embarrass this corrupt group.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven79
I was at Hampden to watch my beloved Hibs defeat Rangers in the semi final of the Premier Sports League Cup on Sunday. This allowed us to progress to the Final of the competition where I assumed there would be a neutral venue chosen by the SPFL.
I was not shocked to see that despite the vast majority of the Hibs support travelling from the east of the country we have yet again been given the end furthest away from our supporter base. Strange that what most fans would see as a practical decision or flip of the coin has yet again gone against a team that is not Rangers or Celtic. Allowing these clubs to have their own end at a neutral stadium reeks of favouritism and corruption and screams in the face of sporting integrity.
As a fan for over 40 years I fully expect favouritism towards Rangers and Celtic when it comes to which end they get. They have always been treated more equally than other clubs at Hampden. I was however shocked when the ticketing arrangements were announced. My club have been denied a 50:50 split of seats for the final and the SPFL have effectively created a home ground for Celtic in what should be a neutral venue. Not only does Celtic get more tickets but they also get the seats closest to the pitch which is a massive advantage in creating the "12th man" effect. This so clearly shows a lack of sporting integrity and Hibs are already shooting up the hill against a governing body.
There is no reason given for this clear favouritism both in terms of position of seats and of number and going by past finals there is no doubt that Hibs would easily sell out half of the stadium.
A sporting body has to be seen to be fair and also be fair. The SPFL fail on both counts and continue to run Scottish Football for the benefit of two clubs.
Do the right thing and give Hibernian a fair share of the tickets and a fair distribution of position in the stadium. At the very least at least be seen to be fair.
Spot on!Quote:
Originally Posted by wookie70
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Agree with this. It's the club that needs to take a strong stand here. If this fails, then everyone needs to make a right stink in the media at every opportunity.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
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I am dismayed at the ticketing arrangements made for the Scottish League Cup Final taking place on the 19 of December.
In an unprecedented move, you have decided to arbitrarily change the way you allocate tickets to the respective finalists.
Hampden is supposed to be our National stadium, a true neutral venue at which to play a cup final. Yet Hibernian, who have no history of selling fewer than half the capacity of Hampden for national finals, have for some bizarre reason had their allocation cut.
I refer to previous fixtures in the final of this competition: namely against Ross County in 2016, Kilmarnock in 2007 and Livingston in 2003. All fixtures in which Hibernian sold well more than the 20,000 or so that should be allocated in 2021, and were in fact closer to selling 40,000 than 20,000.
Other cup finals (excluding the 2021 Scottish Cup) against Hearts in 2012, Celtic in 2013 and Rangers in 2016 saw Hampden split equally, as it should be for a cup final. Why has this suddenly been changed?
What is even more dismaying is that Hibernian fans haven't even been given the opportunity to sell out their half of the stadium. That is the real disgrace here. Now Hibs fans will face a scramble to get their hands on 4,000 or so fewer tickets than the regular allocation. If it were the case that with a week to go before the match there were 2/3k tickets left to sell there would be no complaints about tickets being made available for Celtic fans to buy, but you haven't even given Hibernian fans the chance.
Further to that, the pricing. In the aftermath of a pandemic, where many people will struggle with money and in the week before Christmas, for the cheapest adult ticket to be £35 is scandalous. This especially galling when the semi-final was priced the way it was.
This is not to mention Celtic receiving their "end", as usual. In what way is it ok that 2 teams, when they visit Hampden, are pre-allocated an end of the national stadium regardless of who they are playing?
As a Hibs supporter who has been struggling financially, I could have even forgiven the pricing and Celtic being given their usual end of Hampden if you had given Hibs a fair chance at selling out half the ground.
This is a ridiculous decision, and one that I look forward to receiving a full explanation for.
Totally agree Matty. However, as I mentioned earlier in the thread, they charge these prices because, ultimately, us fans will pay it to watch a cup final. They could charge £100 and people would want to go. Until fans actually vote with their feet, this scandalous pricing will continue. Will that happen? Of course not.Quote:
Originally Posted by matty_f
All we can do is complain. To the SPFL, the club, the fans rep. The club have been deafeningly silent around the pricing-it would be interesting to hear why they agreed to it.
The 2016 final against Ross County… were RC given the opportunity to sell an equal allocation as us and simply failed to do so, meaning there were loads sent back to us? Or did the SPFL decide before hand that we were getting a far larger allocation than them?
Fired this to them. At the very least it is making me feel better but if lots of fans take the time it may actually get us somewhere. This really has to be done today though as once Celtc start selling tickets it will be too lateQuote:
Originally Posted by Steven79
I note that Glen’s Vodka are an official partner of the SPFL. As a partner perhaps you should be concerned about the lack of sporting integrity shown by that organisation in terms of ticketing for this year’s Premier Sports League Cup Final. No doubt your brand would view all football fans equally as potential or existing customers so you may be interested that your partner in Scottish Football has shown utter contempt for Hibernian Fans in giving them less than 50% of tickets and also seating us in areas of the stadium further from the pitch. As someone who does buy Vodka I will certainly have the SPFL in my mind the next time I come to choosing a bottle.
why do celtic have 50,000 season ticket holders a good percentage from all over scotland? GLORY HUNTERS, next it will be you get your average home attendance as an allocation .Quote:
Originally Posted by CMurdoch
We sold two thirds of Hampden - if not more - against Ross County in 2016 FFS. Completely in the huff as we trounced the SFAs team.
Great stuff, hopefully lots of fans will take the timeQuote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
Following this logic I'm not allowed to support Hibs and would have to support one of the Old Firm.Quote:
Originally Posted by CMurdoch
Fairly certain that's against the Geneva convention forcing me to follow one of those two.
Let’s just make sure we have the most supporters in the stadium at the end of the game.:flag::cb
Move it to Murrayfield and they can have 35-40k, we'll sweep up the remaining 25-30k.
Everyone's a winner?
Probably better off complaining to Premier Sports as the main event sponsor. Remember to be civil otherwise they'll likely just ignore the complaint (deep breathes before writing and no caps lock for the full email folks!)Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven79
https://www.premiersports.com/complaints-policy
CEO Richard Webb - [email protected] or [email protected]
Obviously the more people asking the question on their twitter, etc the better as it hopefully gains support from other fan bases.
[email protected]
It's the only one really that you need
I mentioned previously, any Hibs official/player speaking publicly about the match should now refer to it as an away tie rather than a cup final.
Embarrass the authorities and the sponsors at every opportunity.
I think the (previously) done thing is clubs start at 50/50 - that club then has the chance to say ‘no we won’t need anywhere near that, give us 8k with the proviso of another 5k if required’ (numbers for reference just made up). The other side can then get the rest of the tickets plus the possibility of that other 5k if it’s not needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pagan Hibernia
We did ok without any fans in the North Stand on Sunday.Quote:
Originally Posted by CanonHannon
Maybe so, but I’d far rather that view than the one I had.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamig
The north stand is the view the cameras pick up throughout the match. For anyone watching it will look like a home match for them, not just the fact it's the better viewing stand.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamig
Don't put a dot on the end of the email address, it may not get to who you intend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven79
[email protected]
Bet that's what Dundee done that time.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Hi-Bee
I think that’s only happened in the past once. 2001 Cup Final IIRC. Luckily I was at the semi v Livi For that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brooster
Not going to happen in this day and age.
As has been said
ST & Half ST then Public sale.
J
Where did you hear that from?Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveHFC
Cheers
J
The actual ticket allocation seating is on our main site now. Depending on the segregation plan, some of us could have Celtic fans above us in the south stand. Umbrellas will be needed if so.
To be honest, I couldn’t really care what it looks like on the telly.Quote:
Originally Posted by gaz1875
The South is always an option. Not checked the prices though so I’d imagine it will be a bit more expensive than behind the goal. Was a great view from the South on Sunday.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbysam
Response from Neil Doncaster:
Dear Peter,
Thank you for your email and for contacting me with your concerns.
I presume that you are a Hibernian FC supporter and if so, I hope very much that you enjoyed your day at Hampden Park on Sunday and are looking forward to what should be a fantastic final on Sunday 19 December.
Ticket allocation decisions are often difficult and there are many factors which need to be taken into account by the SPFL and the Stadium Authorities, including the history of sales in semi-finals and finals, and the limited segregation options within Hampden Park.
In this instance, the agreed initial ticket allocations will ensure that every Hibernian supporter who was at the match on Sunday will have the opportunity to buy a ticket for the final, with a minimum of a further 8,000 tickets available. In contrast, over 12,000 Celtic supporters who were at Saturday’s semi-final tie will not have the opportunity to buy a ticket for the final.
It is important also to note that these numbers are initial allocations only and there will likely be the opportunity for further allocations to both clubs depending on sales.
I understand that the decision may be disappointing to you, but I do hope that you recognise the rationale outlined above.
Kind regards,
Neil
YepQuote:
Originally Posted by tamig
Same tickets for the final (at the other side of the tunnel obvs) would be fantastic - I always used to prefer the North, but I think that bit of the South was better on Sunday.
Its the wrong decision but we've really only ourselves to blame. If we take 20k to our last 3 league Cup semis, this never happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pagan Hibernia
If that is the official response then it needs to be challenged, and publicised. Any sports phone in, off the ball etc, so that supporters of other clubs know what they are up against.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pagan Hibernia
Marie Todd is the sport minister at Holyrood, the negative publicity of it being raised in Parliament might make a difference.
This isn’t a semi final though - what’s our attendance at the last 3 finals been like?Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
The number of celtic fans attending the semi that cannot attend the final has absolutely no bearing on the question being asked and cannot come into an explanation for reasons for not having a 50/50 split. Is he also suggesting there that we might get more if celtic can't sell out haha. There also has to be an understanding that the further down you go, the bigger the difference will be between semi supports and final supports. Pathetic if that is seen as a response thats going to fly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pagan Hibernia
This is absolute rubbish. We have only once taken this amount to a semi final this century, and even then we failed to sell out our allocation.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
By your logic, we will never be allowed 50% allocation in an old firm final ever again!?! What about St Johnsotne, who took 2k (apparently) on Saturday. They should receive 3500 tickets for a final against the old firm?
We are being shafted here, and you have the cheek to blame the fans.
We've never done that for semi finals though. This is a separate game at a neutral venue. The last three league cup finals we have been in we have taken more than 30k to all three.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
I will contact a few Government MP's tonight when I get home from work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
I'm on a first name basis with a few so hopefully they can push from their side.
Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk
I understand the reasoning behind the argument of a Celtic STH who went to the semi final, and earlier rounds, not getting to go but it completely misses the point about the sporting integrity of a national cup final.
I can't think of this ever happening before? Is this the first time and the start of a precedent?
No idea when it started, but it’s definitely in the League Cup rules and regulations nowQuote:
Originally Posted by danhibees1875
His logic is baffling and potentially dangerous in terms of precedent. As posters have said above, what will clubs that take less than us be allocated in future finals? What would happen if Hibs and Hearts both made the final but for whatever reason had different levels of support in the semi? And when was it decided that crowds at the preceding semi made a difference to final allocation? Or was it just on a whim? Farcical.
For a neutral game, surely the obvious approach is to start with an equal split and take it from there.
Semi final attendance should have nothing to do with it. The only question that should be asked is “is there a chance that Hibs are likely to sell 50% in this final”. If the answer is “yes” (which it would be) then we absolutely should be given the opportunity to do soQuote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
I had a similar but slightly different response from Neil Doncaster. At least he is reading the messages and responding, which I appreciate. I have however written back to him to thank him for his response but point out I don't agree with it!
Dear Neil,
Thank you for your email and for contacting me with your concerns.
I presume that you are a Hibernian FC supporter and if so, I hope very much that you enjoyed your day at Hampden Park on Sunday and are looking forward to what should be a fantastic final on Sunday 19 December.
Ticket allocation decisions are often difficult and there are many factors which need to be taken into account by the SPFL and the Stadium Authorities, including the history of sales in semi-finals and finals, and the limited segregation options within Hampden Park.
In this instance, the agreed initial ticket allocations will ensure that every Hibernian supporter who was at the match on Sunday will have the opportunity to buy a ticket for the final, with a minimum of a further 8,000 tickets available. In contrast, over 12,000 Celtic supporters who were at Saturday’s semi-final tie will not have the opportunity to buy a ticket for the final.
It is important also to note that these numbers are initial allocations only and there will likely be the opportunity for further allocations to both clubs depending on sales.
It is in fact quite a common occurrence for one team in a final to be allocated more tickets than their opponents. Indeed, the 2016 Scottish League Cup final saw Hibernian receive an initial 25,800 tickets (with Ross County getting 7,000).
I understand that the decision may be disappointing to you, but I do hope that you recognise the rationale outlined above.
Kind regards,
Neil
Same thing happened to Aberdeen in 2018.Quote:
Originally Posted by danhibees1875
In the mists of time it was quite common, eg. 1993 League cup final at Parkhead we had behind the goal and a bit of there main stand whereas the Old Huns had the "Jungle" side on top of that.
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Originally Posted by Neil4Hibs
This bit is total Donkey bollocks - Ross County got 7K because that's what they asked for. It was all agreed by both clubs.
That was the gist of my response to him. Not sure if I will get a further reply.......Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Whats in the regulations now Billy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
What he says is factually correct though.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Going by his logic next time a old firm semi/final comes up then Celtic should get more tickets as they have more season ticket holders and we all know that wouldn't happen...Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil4Hibs
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Yes, but unless the point being made was that Celtc should only be allowed half the stadium even if Hibs can't sell the other half, it's also irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamig
Factual correct as a statement in isolation, but not in context. That would only be relevant if Hibs asked for 17.5k tickets, which we didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamig
It's apples and orange in the context of this matter and I'm surprised Doncaster was not clever enough to see how transparent the deflection is.
I’m thinking this is perhaps karma from the authorities for our ‘exuberance’ after the 2016 final?.
I agree with you, and I'm not blaming the fans so wind it in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee Marvin
My point is they'll do anything to **** us over and help the old firm. We've given them that chance, in their eyes at least. It's an awful decision because we know we'd sell 50%, but they can now point to x and y and say we wouldn't
Sorry, that ticketing and pricing for semi finals and Final, are determined by the board. Not sure when this was introducedQuote:
Originally Posted by tamig
10.7.1 on page 15
Think they also introduced a rule where away fans in the knock out rounds, weren’t guaranteed a % of tickets
https://spfl.co.uk/admin/filemanager...21-Jun-21).pdf
Anyone else reading the AST email as ST holders are being allowed to purchase more than one ticket?
I realise some people are going to take this the wrong way, and there's not much I can do about that, but I'm just trying to come up with a sensible compromise, so please at least bear with me when I ask....
Would it be possible to designate one of the areas behind the goals (e.g. Section B) as the place to go if you absolutely must stand?
It's obvious that there's a lot of people that do want to stand in seated areas, as evidenced by Sunday's game, but there are loads of us that only do it because we have no choice and would rather sit down.
I was stood next to one old guy that literally couldn't stand any longer and missed the last thirty minutes of the game because he had to sit down, and there were two kids in front of us that couldn't see a thing for nearly the whole match. I'm sure they weren't alone in that
I also had relatives at the game that asked why they had paid £25 for a seat and never got to use it.
I'm really not taking any side in this, as it's always a heated debate, just trying to think up something that suits both parties.
But it’s not the same scenario. In 2016 both clubs were given what they wanted. Ross County got 7k with the chance to up it if needed. We’re being given less than we’ve asked for with no hope of getting moreQuote:
Originally Posted by tamig
That wouldn’t make sense - you can only use one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hermit Crab
Quote:
Originally Posted by Danderhall Hibs
You could only use one on Sunday but ST holders were allowed to purchase up to 20 could they not? :dunno:
Complete opposite is how I read itQuote:
Originally Posted by Hermit Crab
If you want to sit with friends, you have to withdraw from the AST for the game
Just this bit Billy,Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
Please confirm if you wish to be removed from the scheme to purchase additional tickets with family or friends as we are unable to add any additional to the payment run.
Basically means that any AST holders that wish to purchase tickets outwith the AST scheme have to ask to be removed. This will allow them to purchase tickets with other Season ticket holdersQuote:
Originally Posted by Hermit Crab
You have to remember that some semi finals were also played at other grounds in previous years so not even the chance to try sell more tickets.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomtownHibeys
Hibs played at Tynecastle for example and Hearts played at Easter Road.
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Originally Posted by Ringothedog
To me additional tickets means more than 1. :dunno:
Got almost the same but they did mention the 38k tickets we got for the Livi final as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil4Hibs
Asked for clarification on paragraph 5. If I get a response I will share it.
I would go further and Hibs should advertise a signing section in section B.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
I would imagine front of B1 will be where Block 7 will go.
But even have a large section who want to stand and sing will avoid annoying other folk who don’t want to stand for 90 mins and families who want to sit etc
Maybe Kieran Power can take this back to the club??