Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

If Scottish football has been depending on an institutionally corrupt club like Rangers for survival then it deserves to perish.

The authorities recognised three years ago that the game had problems, spent time and money on the McLeish report and then proceeded to do absolutely sod all until Rangers got found out. Then they still did sod all until it was nearly too late and now they're running around like blue-arsed chickens finding new ways to do and say exactly the wrong things.

The fundamental changes the game needs is now being forced upon them and if that destroys some clubs so be it - harsh on the individual clubs, but the hardest-learned lessons are the best-remembered.

Scottish football needs to be re-invented - rip it up and start again.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Twa Cairpets

Even it comes down to straight maths, the sum is simple. Very short term gain < catastrophic long term loss and demise.
If acting on behalf of the shareholders results in the choice between potential short term difficulties and the certain death of the club in 2-3 years, then its not a difficult decision

---

Agree that surely the "long term" business point of view has to be the decisive factor and therefore your statement is correct.
I just think that club directors are trying to forage around and find an answer that tries to do everything all at once. I think that is an impossible ask and no matter what happens they are going to have some serious issues to address when the fallout from this occurs.

In the case of the Hibs board I do sympathise to a degree. Our club has been well run as a business with it's long term security paramount in the boards strategy. Sadly this has led to a short term (hopefully) decline in the actual product offered to it's customers. I think it's a tad unfair that now these guys are being faced with this horrible dilema through no real fault of their own.

I wouldnt want to be in their shoes right now for all the tea in China, in fact I think I'd rather be CEO of Barclays Bank (then again....)

As a supporter of football I want TRFC placed in the very bottom tier of Scottish football but I can see the dilema this causes ours (& other boards) in terms of securing their clubs long term financial viability and therefore being able to discharge their duties as company directors.

Still want them papped into SFL3 mind but can see the problems this is causing the clubs.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Skanko79

so, if Rangers get to stay in the SPL or get to go to the 1st division are you going to stop supporting Hibs and going to Easter Road?

---

Yes.

Here's a question for YOU:

In just over a year's time, when the newly promoted, now debt-free, "Newco" team (having avoided paying 92,000,000 GBP in tax, plus untold other amounts to other creditors/businesses and having fielded illegally paid players to win titles/cups/european places in every game over almost the last 20 years) play their first SPL game of the season at ER and their nazi-saluting, sectarian-song-singing "fans" are celebrating the team pumping us silly, will you be at all bothered? Or will the thought "ach well, at least I still support Hibs" keep you warm?

:cb

Of 18,625 Scotsman readers who have expressed an opinion in a poll on Sevco's place in the game, 18,522 believe Sevco should start in SFL3

The Pars say no to Newco in SFL1.

https://twitter.com/tyronestv/status/218714210258010112

If this is true, and the SFA have given then till today to apply for a license, maybe Greeny has no plans to run a football club?

https://twitter.com/janelewissport/s...18848801701888

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Salt & Sauzee

Of 18,625 Scotsman readers who have expressed an opinion in a poll on Sevco's place in the game, 18,522 believe Sevco should start in SFL3

---

Probably because the poll doesn't have a 'juniors' option - I don't think they should waltz onto Division 3

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by green glory

If this is true, and the SFA have given then till today to apply for a license, maybe Greeny has no plans to run a football club?

https://twitter.com/janelewissport/s...18848801701888

---

is that the wifey that presents the sport on scotland today or reporting scotland?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by green glory

The Pars say no to Newco in SFL1.

https://twitter.com/tyronestv/status/218714210258010112

---

I cant cut and paste the text, but heres a link to the pars statement.

I think it kind of defines "unequivocal".

I'm now relaxing again - Der Hun are back to being solidly f*****

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by bingo70

is that the wifey that presents the sport on scotland today or reporting scotland?

---

Scotland today.

For these propsals to be passed by the SPL, ie the passing over of £1 million of TV revenue to the SFL should require a Special Resolution (90% approval) as it is a variation to Section C of the SPL Rules which cover financial affairs of the League.

Has this been confirmed or is Doncaster going to have approved by a majority or other fiddle.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Steve20

Agree with this. If it had been any other team but Rangers, the majority of people threatening to never go back wouldn't even bother. It's just that there is such hatred towards them on here that people want them gone.

I couldn't care less if they're in Division 1 or Division 3, as long as Hibs are doing well.

---

I know, been searching for a 500 page thread for when it happened to gretna and dundee and livvy but im struggling to find one somehow.....................

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Twa Cairpets

I cant cut and paste the text, but heres a link to the pars statement.

I think it kind of defines "unequivocal".

I'm now relaxing again - Der Hun are back to being solidly f*****

---

well done the Pars :top marks

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sunny1875

I know, been searching for a 500 page thread for when it happened to gretna and dundee and livvy but im struggling to find one somehow.....................

---

Were those teams liquidated and reformed as a newco?

Alex Thomson: Just had an extraordinary conversation with a senior Hampden insider. They're inundated with angry fans demanding integrity. Scottish football fanpower called the SPL bluff over R return. Will the same thing unfold over the Division 1 rule-book re-write?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by joe breezy

I'll send a similar email - thanks for the template

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by bingo70

is that the wifey that presents the sport on scotland today or reporting scotland?

---

She reported it on the Radio Scotland news bulletin just after 4pm today.

This is quite a unique situation Scotland is on the brink of being the laughing stock of football if Newco end up anywhere bar Division 3 on the other hand they have the chance to show by applying the rules no matter who it is they we have chance to come out of this with respect for our game.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sunny1875

I know, been searching for a 500 page thread for when it happened to gretna and dundee and livvy but im struggling to find one somehow.....................

---

The rules were properly applied in those cases. That's why.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Seveno

She reported it on the Radio Scotland news bulletin just after 4pm today.

---

So am i right in saying the Newco Huns haven't even applied to join any league yet and pressumably they need to by 5 or they're completely oot?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by bingo70

So am i right in saying the Newco Huns haven't even applied to join any league yet and pressumably they need to by 5 or they're completely oot?

---

Quite possibly yes. If what has been claimed on Hunmedia that Charles Green said to John Brown "I'll turn this place to dust" is true, it would explain him not bothering applying for a license.

Would loooooove that to be true lol.

Maybe Tesco have made Greeny an offer he couldn't refuse lol.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by hibs13681

Were those teams liquidated and reformed as a newco?

---

Don't think so.

The closest parallel I can think of is the case of Airdrieonians, who went completely out of existence.

Jim Ballantyne and a group of supporters applied for entry to SFL3 but were refused - Gretna got the place.

Ballantyne and Co then bought out the terminally-sick Clydebank FC, moved that club to Airdrie, re-named it Airdrie United, adopted the old Airdrie 'Diamonds' red-and-white strip, and set up to play in SFL2.

TBH, I'm surprised that no one's proposed doing that on Rangers behalf this time around - buy out some struggling SFL (or SPL!) team, and just move the whole concern back to Ibrox.

Mind you, if they tried THAT and got away with it, the ordure wouldn't half collide with the air-conditioning and no mistake ...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by hibs13681

Were those teams liquidated and reformed as a newco?

---

Gretna certainly were.

They joined the East of Scotland League.

Apparently Sevco have not lodged their documents with the SFA to apply for membership, the deadline was today.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by jgl07

Gretna certainly were.

They joined the East of Scotland League.

---

Livi were, IIRC, within a day of liquidation when a deal was sorted out to keep the club in existence.

Financial irregularities on the part of the previous owners (that's being as economical and charitable a description as I can give of what was going on) meant they were relegated to SFL3.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sunny1875

I know, been searching for a 500 page thread for when it happened to gretna and dundee and livvy but im struggling to find one somehow.....................

---

Were those teams allowed to parachute debt free into Div 1?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by The Story So Far...

If any club fails to adapt accordingly to the loss of the Rangers income, hell mend them :agree:

---

Absolutely correct IMO
If any business , regardless who or what , loses a contract they must become more prudent until they find other ways of making up the ' lost revenue '
There may well be problems short term but in the future these clubs will hopefully become self sufficient and therefore stronger .
This is a massive opportunity to ' cleanse' Scottish football : lets hope those in charge don't ' bottle it '
:thumbsup:

Popular wisdom has it that there are far too many clubs in Scotland...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Salt & Sauzee

My sheer rage is driving me through all of this, feel free to get equally as angry! :aok:

---

https://twitter.com/celticnetwork11/...67047238156288

Apols for the Celtc link (retweet by splfansurveys) but suggestions for email addresses are there

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Doddie

Don't think so.

The closest parallel I can think of is the case of Airdrieonians, who went completely out of existence.

Jim Ballantyne and a group of supporters applied for entry to SFL3 but were refused - Gretna got the place.

Ballantyne and Co then bought out the terminally-sick Clydebank FC, moved that club to Airdrie, re-named it Airdrie United, adopted the old Airdrie 'Diamonds' red-and-white strip, and set up to play in SFL2.

TBH, I'm surprised that no one's proposed doing that on Rangers behalf this time around - buy out some struggling SFL (or SPL!) team, and just move the whole concern back to Ibrox.

Mind you, if they tried THAT and got away with it, the ordure wouldn't half collide with the air-conditioning and no mistake ...

---

The rules were changed after the Airdrie buy out to stop it happening again.

Mind you rules are there to be broken.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

Popular wisdom has it that there are far too many clubs in Scotland...

---

Yup.

Time for a bit of fire and brimstone. Take 'em down in flames.

"Blow, winds, and crack your cheeks! rage! blow!
You cataracts and hurricanoes, spout
Till you have drenched our steeples, drowned the cocks!
You sulphurous and thought-executing fires,
Vaunt-couriers to oak-cleaving thunderbolts,
Singe my white head! And thou, all-shaking thunder,
Strike flat the thick rotundity o' the world!
Crack nature's moulds, all germens spill at once
That make ingrateful man!"

... as King Lear might put it.

(Not totally sure about line 3, mind. "Thick rotundity" is an obvious allusion to Jim Jefferies.)