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I wondered when the UK government testing facilities would be used as a stick to beat the Scottish government.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
If it's UK testing, then as Scotland is part of the UK, it's our testing.
We're either part of the UK or not, which is it?
As you've alluded to the UK Gov, and testing. How many tests have been done in all care homes in England and Wales including their families?
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Murdo admitting Sturgeon does a good job every day and it needs to be stopped.[emoji23]
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Me too mate, I am staying as close to home as possible but I have have go to the hospital pretty much weekly and to be honest going to my local shop is the only communication I have. As I said in a previous post I am going to my local for a coffee in a bit., going to savour that moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by neil7908
Ex labour council chief can't get her holidays. How can we spin this one says the Scotsman. 😆Quote:
Originally Posted by G B Young
Any idea what the ransom demands are?
He's bricking it, as his coats on a shoogly peg on the list system. IPS are gunning for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
There's nothing wrong with UK government tests being included, I was simply asked to explain why I had said the Scottish government gets off lightly when it comes to testing. Even with the UK government tests included, the figure in Scotland is very poor.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
As for your second point, I have said this repeatedly but happy to do so again, the response from the whole of the UK to this disaster has been, to coin a topical phrase, shambolic.
I have made it clear that I am no fan of this current UK government so please don't think that this is some kind of political point scoring exercise where I try and paint the UK government to be the good guys and the Scottish government to be the bad guys. However I live in Scotland and my only concern is how things are handled here and as far as the response to this pandemic is concerned, Sturgeon has continually been at pains to point out that Scotland's way of dealing with Covid-19 is separate to any other nation in the UK, again I've no issue with that but you can't then blame anyone in Scotland for scrutinising the record of her government when it comes to things like testing.
As I said the UK tests are our tests. You seem to think they're different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
Put it this way, they only provide 30% of our requirement, leaving us to do 70%.
Broad shoulders indeed. See what I did there. 👍
No numbers on England and Wales?
Hope you enjoy the coffee today - sounds like it's a well deserved.Quote:
Originally Posted by wpj
What makes you say the testing numbers are very poor? WHO recommendations say that for testing numbers to be reliable the rate of positive tests should be less than 5%. In Scotland over the past week it has been 0.27%. UK figures appear to be broadly similar but of course the shenanigans around counting tests which have been posted out but not returned makes those numbers a little murky. So given that our testing volumes are nearly 20 times the WHO recommended level is it really fair to call the numbers poor? What level do you think they should be?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
I suppose this reply plays into your narrative about criticism of Scottish government being fiercely challenged but, really, you need to consider having some substance to the criticism if you don't want it to be questioned.
Segria county in Spanish lockdown for fear of second wave.
200,000 people.
Thanks, there's already about 12 folk at the bar. Im home now but i think it's going be a very busy day thereQuote:
Originally Posted by neil7908
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No….. penal servitude that’s what I call for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocky
To reiterate, why publish a list of air bridge countries that are exempt from quarantine if you can’t visit them or they can’t visit you?
This UK administration couldn’t run bath at the moment.
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Originally Posted by Rocky
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They're not air bridge countries, they're countries which are exempt from UK quarantine requirements. Every country in the world is either exempt or not exempt from the quarantine requirements. It would be silly for Australia to not be exempt considering it's in much better shape than UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Curried
And another Tory not doing irony shockaroonie!Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
Aye, I saw a chart the other day that showed loads of US states above 5% and a few up at the 20% mark. And Trump reckons they're testing too much!Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
The tests carried out by the army manned mobile testing centres were not included in the Scottish figures but were counted in the total UK figures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
They are our tests in the sense that people in Scotland are benefitting from them, I don't dispute that. My point was specifically in relation to the Scottish government's record on testing.Quote:
Originally Posted by ronaldo7
I don't have any numbers on England and Wales as it's not of any interest to me and has no bearing on my views on the situation in Scotland.
For the hard-of-thinking Australians have been locked down since march and unable to leave their country. Moreover, they are unlikely to be let out any time soon as the virus has gone pear-shaped in Melbourne over the past week....300,000 in lock-down tonight and cases rising to the highest daily figures recorded in Australia since the pandemic begun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocky
So other countries are testing too much then? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocky
Eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
It seems a wee bit rich of you calling anyone hard of thinking when you appear to be struggling so much with a basic concept such as quarantine exemption.Quote:
Originally Posted by Curried
Another tory makes bad jokes about closing the borders.
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news...o-that-of-hiv/
I've never heard of John Ferry, but the Bloomberg stats he cites re the increasing correlation between deprivation and localised outbreaks across Europe are interesting:
https://twitter.com/JohnFerry18/stat...36225820880896
It's tempting to be cross but all the pics I've seen today of the big reopening of pubs have featured sad old dudes, desperate for lager but also longing for company and reassurance. Let's not hate. Let's try and understand how hard this has been for some people.
#WelcomeBackPubs
12 o’clock, first customer in. Love it. https://t.co/pBYm9rtejA
#NeverSpoons Wetherspoons hikes drink prices on Super Saturday as pubs reopen https://t.co/yB85PTjkzT
A quarantine exemption is time limited. It may be good today, but may be revoked tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocky
Australia did well to suppress the virus, but numbers in Victoria are escalating exponentially now.
The more salient question is why put Australia on a UK quarantine exemption list when people are banned from travel between the two countries? Non-Australian citizens are not allowed to travel to Australia, and Australian citizens are not allowed to leave Australia. It's like giving UK citizens a quarantine exemption to the moon....total pointless.
You were saying that the positive tests needs to be <5%. Are the countries that are testing far more than us, doing too many tests?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocky
The USA for example has an almost 8% hit rate, should they actually slow things down?
If I had a classic car in my garage with no wheels, engine or gearbox it would still be exempt from car tax. Would I expect the rules to be rewritten to make my car not exempt on the basis that it's not going on the road any time soon?Quote:
Originally Posted by Curried