Hearts just keep scratching away at any clump of dirt they see to try and find something that isnt there, i cannot wait until this shambolic episode is done and dusted and they sit in the championship where they belong.
They are there on merit, 100%
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Hearts just keep scratching away at any clump of dirt they see to try and find something that isnt there, i cannot wait until this shambolic episode is done and dusted and they sit in the championship where they belong.
They are there on merit, 100%
Someone really should talk Budge down from the ledge.
Not me... I’m just watching, wondering if she will back down before she kills her club. But someone should.
Needs a bit of alternate thinking and a bit of a 'conspiracy' outlook. Dundee voted, the vote would have prolonged the season - hindsight tells us that would have been impossible but back then who knows, we could have been playing again by the end of May. The vote wasn't counted and the reason given sounds a bit dodgy (caught in a spam folder, hmmm), Doncaster has a word and Dundee change their minds. So....why were the SPFL so keen to end the season? Was there some kind of 'arrangement' between the two to make Dundee change their minds? Was it financial? A place on the board? Support for any future resolutions?Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Any of the three could be viewed as corruption and while in themselves not reasons to restructure the league or reverse relegations, it does make Doncaster's position untenable and creates an argument for reversing the first vote to end the season.
Lets say it comes to pass that something of that nature happened, we either play the season (in every division) to conclusion behind closed doors or we offer all relegated clubs a compensation payment that will make demotion financially beneficial.
The only 'motive' I can see for ending the season when we did though is that prolonging the uncertainty or playing behind closed doors could have put a number of smaller clubs out of business, hardly self serving. If there was a word with Dundee it would most likely be to point that out, a 'facilitation deal' is highly unlikely.
I still think there is more to come in the form of punishment for Hearts and PT, this isn't just an SFA matter, its UEFA rules they have broken.....do nothing regarding the taking the SFA to court and this has ramifications across Europe, it creates a president any club in any league can cite. If the SFA don't punish Hearts and PT, UEFA may very well punish the SFA.
Its not magic beans but Mr Magic Deans they have their hope in. Insert pi££in ma pants smileyQuote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
Only in a Tom English, Leslie Deans Jambo fantasy land.Quote:
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The vote has already been investigated and declared as following SPFL rules and procedures.
Or the President’s :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by 007
This documentary is going to have some ammount of episodes
Quite simply UEFA were encouraging leagues to make a decision on their leagues. We have only just started contact training in the last week and the new commercially stronger Sky deal starts from August. All premier teams voted for league to end and points per game.Quote:
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Unanimous.
Hearts are relegated and just need to realise it. It’s taking the cretins a while mind.
One of the Hibs experts on Keekback ,who supposedly has an in at The Rangers posted earlier today that he has a friend who is an ex teammate of Jack Ross who was telling him that Jack Ross told him that Hibs are in a very bad way,meat and drink for the obsessed overby i suppose, Dingles R Us would be a better name for Keekback!!Quote:
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What would Doncaster’s motivation be to act in a corrupt way? What would he have to gain? Much more than he would have to lose. I’m sure. The corruption/conspiracy stuff has been invented by Sevco and Hearts who have reason to sow confusion to avoid 9IAR and relegation. It’s all nonsense and the “shambles” that they complain about has been caused by these two clubs aided and abetted by Inverness and Partick among others. The vast majority of clubs are keeping quiet and getting on, as best as they can, preparing for next season. The longer this goes on the less sympathy the footballing public will have fof Budge and the famous.Quote:
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Exactly and I'd add pundits like Tom English and all the other Jambo sympathisers to the aided and abetted list.Quote:
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It's exactly what Jack Ross would do don't you think ?Quote:
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Tell fans of rival clubs how much s*"% we're in financially
They really are a stupid bunch of cretins
Yes 10,000 seasons is approximately £4 million in income. We must be in a bad way. Then there is the shirt sales...Quote:
Originally Posted by poolman
Interesting that they are shafting fellow WWI champions Raith Rovers but don’t have an ounce of remorse. It’s almost like they just use the pointless slaughter of millions to benefit the image of their cretinous little club.
It'll be closer to £3 million. Still good money though.Quote:
Originally Posted by FilipinoHibs
i particularly dislike the insinuation that their sacrifice was greater than others. They demean they battalion, their club and themselves when they do soQuote:
Originally Posted by 660
There was a shinty club from up North that was decemated BBC Scotland featured a play that was written about them. hearts were not the only ones impacted. And as we know other football teams were impacted. A big part of a generation of Leithers were wiped out in the Gretna rail disaster. All loss of life in such circumstance is tragic.
Bill Leckie gets it spot on in his piece in the Sun today.
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/spo...w-bill-leckie/
Hopefully the arbitration panel see it the same way. This is the most sense I’ve read from anyone in the media regarding this whole shambles
Just posted this on the Legal Challenge thread.Quote:
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This needed to be copied for all to see. This needs to be circulated to all - a perfect summary of where we are at the moment. Scottish Football is in meltdown all because of one person and her incompetence.
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That's it then, we're finished, an insider at the other club that went bust has access to all the key information at Hibs, but obviously never seen it coming at his own club the now defunct Glasgow rangers.Quote:
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That Leckie piece is excellent. I feel a statement coming in response :agree:Quote:
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Who is he talking about at the start of his article?Quote:
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Not for the first time that is a fantastic article by Bill Leckie and to me a totally accurate summary of the shambles.
Leckie gets it spot on, I'll be using this article when I'm asked down here to explain how Scottish football got into it's latest mess.Quote:
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Craig GordonQuote:
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Thanks.Quote:
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It's actually nearer £2.5 million, but your point is still valid.
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Craig Gordon?
Tom English and the other maroon sycophants should be challenged to respond on this and the informative article on the BBC website about the huge challenges in scheduling the fixtures this season.
Any hurried reconstruction that increased the number of top flight games was always a nonsense.
So what Hearts wanted was to cancel relegation and promotion. The questions they have to answer are these:
1. If relegation is so unfair, how is it less unfair to deny Dundee Utd promotion?
2. If you cancel relegation and promotion how on earth can you still say that Celtc are champions?
3. Given that the league rules have been implemented as usual, relegated clubs are already compensated with parachute payments, and all clubs have been severely impacted by this crisis, on what grounds can they possibly claim additional compensation?
Posted by Firsttimecaller on Kickback. He won’t last long in there.
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I'm aware this is an essay, but nevermind!
It’s come to the point where I feel I can’t stand by any more. A reality check needs to kick-in at some point here.
At the time when the league was suspended, Hearts were bottom. They were beaten 1-0 by St Mirren in a game which the vast majority of Hearts supporters, and everyone else, had labelled as “must win”. Hearts didn’t win this game, and were therefore four points adrift at the bottom of the table with eight games to play. Hearts had won four games all season. The performance at St Mirren was described variously as “meek”, “insipid” and “lacking threat”. Hearts nearest rivals for relegation were unbeaten in their last five home matches and had kept clean sheets in four of those.
Hearts supporters shared the view that, from a sporting point of view, they were the worst team in the league. On 14th March, under the title of “At What point Did You Think Our Season Was Doomed?”, various posters on JKB acknowledged how poor Hearts were. Saughton Jambo, who has recently been noticeably vocal around fairness with regards to the Court of Session case, pointed out “This is worse than the 80-81 season [when Hearts were relegated]. We had an excuse back then... we don’t now”. Stan pointed out that “Going 3 down to Killie after the break … was the last chance to turn the corner and finish the season well”. Famous 1874 said that “It’s hard to say when we were doomed as we’ve been s***e all season bar a handful of results”. In a poll on the 14th March on JKB, 12.8% of Hearts own fans acknowledged that they deserved to be relegated.
From a sporting perspective, Hearts were the worst football team in the league. In the match thread following the St Mirren defeat, the overall mood was disappointment and acknowledgment of how poor a team they were. In that match thread, Fozzyonthefence noted prior to the defeat “Lose on Wednesday and we’re down. I think you’re the only person on here that doesn’t think that” in response to a poster suggesting they could stay up. JimmyCant pointed out that “We’ve got 5 key games left … We’ll need to win 4 out of those 5. That’s becoming a big ask the more you look at it.” Bear in mind, this is a Hearts team that had won four times all season.
On sporting merit, Hearts deserved to be relegated.
There is also the worrying trend emerging around Hearts supporters expressly hoping for negative outcomes for other clubs whilst at the same time becoming noticeably vocal around the concept of fairness. There is the startling example of the post on the aforementioned St Mirren matchday thread of a poster highlighting how funny it would be to beat St Mirren, sending them bottom, and then for the season to be called due to COVID19. I’m fairly certain the poster in question has had this particular post copy/pasted several times, and so I’ll spare them the reminder of it. This schadenfreude has now been replaced by hoping that other clubs go into administration, seemingly based on the assumption that they “voted against Hearts” in order to relegate them.
Throughout various threads, numerous assertions have been made as to which clubs people would like to go into administration. The thread titled “Administration” from 26th June notes that some fans believe that “quite a few” will suffer this fate and that Hearts should “Get that interdict served ASAP”. Amongst others, Dundee, Hibs, St Mirren, Ross County, Hamilton and Albion Rovers are all named as clubs that posters hope enter administration, a process which results in numerous job losses and can end in financial hardship for ordinary employees. It’s noteworthy that several of these clubs were Hearts rivals within the bottom six of the league.Thank goodness for the few comments of common sense on such matters, notably Sassenach, who said “I've suffered admin events … It's horrible, and I wouldn't wish it on any fellow football fans”. Some things surely transcend sport.
The matter of finance also comes into play in issue. Hearts suffered a previous administration event, ultimately leading to their relegation in the 2010s. This was caused largely by financial mismanagement. Within their list of creditors, Hearts included fellow football clubs Ayr United, Livingston, Musselburgh Athletic, Stenhousemuir and Rangers. They also owed monies to a variety of public bodies, including the City of Edinburgh Council, Scottish Water and Scottish Police Authority. There are no winners in administration events. Supporter boycotts of all clubs who voted against Hearts league reconstruction proposals have been widely mentioned online.
To a significant extent, supporters of other clubs (the Pie & Bovril forum is a marker of this) do sympathise with the situation in which Hearts currently find themselves, but many have expressed a significant distaste for the sense of entitlement being displayed. Under the JKB thread of “Wigan Go Into Administration”, posters note that there may be “decent freebies to be had” and that this is “karma for Webstergate”. The irony and understanding of the concept of karma and justice for perceived previous wrongdoings is an interesting one.
Similarly, the suggestion that Dundee United are a target of Hearts fans’ dislike appears to be an interesting perspective. Taken from the thread last week on JKB “I Used To Post On Here About Liking Dundee Utd”, Salad Fingers notes that he/she “recently developed a strong hatred of them and their fans”. The supposed crime committed by Dundee United is defending themselves and their promotion in the Court of Session and being asked to pay £50,000 for the privilege.
The thread posted this morning on JKB titled “Merging Clubs” highlights and reinforces the prevailing sense of entitlement amongst posters on the site, perhaps representative of the wider Hearts support. The assertion from Space Pirate that there are “far too many wee diddy clubs” and that clubs should merge underlines the contempt in which other clubs in Scotland are held.
As it stands, the hugely successful Foundation of Hearts brings circa £2M into the club each year from fans and it has been revealed that James Anderson has acted as a benefactor over recent times. During this time, Hearts have spent £17M on a main stand within Tynecastle and this is yet to be fully completed. During the recent Court of Session case, various figures of compensation have been raised and noted, both on JKB and within the Scottish media. It has been suggested that Hearts are seeking compensation and damages in the region of £8M.
Following on from the Court of Session hearing, Hearts supporters are seemingly painting the club, and Ann Budge in particular, as champions of justice, noting that there is a crucial role to be played in fighting corruption. Indeed, it has been suggested that Ann Budge previously stepped down from her role on the SPFL Board as she wanted to challenge the corruption that she saw. Reporting of the matter would seem to indicate otherwise - https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.c...l-board-583624
Throughout this process since March, there has been much play with regards to revisionism. The term relegated has been replaced with expelled, for instance. Interestingly, manager Daniel Stendal’s contract reputably had a clause allowing it’s termination in the event of relegation, as confirmed by both Ann Budge and Daniel Stendal. This clause was enacted. The tone and portrayal of Ann Budge has shifted too. Compare the descriptions with regards to her perceived leadership skills that were expressed on JKB during January and February to now.
Before Hearts continue to fall further down the rabbit hole of blaming other people, clubs and institutions, perhaps the blame needs to lie closer to home.
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