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Are the daily figures no longer read out at FMQs? I turned it on bang on 12pm so I don't think I missed anything.
Tomorrow I believe. I think it's open for all matches at the tournament.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
I’m the same. Since I’ve now had the virus too I can be totally honest and say I’m not being as stringent in terms of following the rulesQuote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
I totally understand that. I'm as bad (good) as ever though, I started doing the lateral flow tests at home today because I feel as things open up and I venture out I'm more likely to be at risk of carrying and spreading it. I've had two doses of the vaccine and use hand gel constantly . Having the vaccine hasnt proved yet that I cant spread it , probably symptom free. I just dont want to be the cause of things slowing down for the kids to get normality back.Quote:
Originally Posted by DiscoDoidge
Why did having the virus make you stop?Quote:
Originally Posted by DiscoDoidge
Absolutely this. We have to be careful to not become asymptomatic spreaders.Quote:
Originally Posted by J.S
Hand gel whilst it prevents many things has no use for covid. Pretty much completely airborne transmissionQuote:
Originally Posted by J.S
So we stop using it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Just phoned the NHS Lothian number who said there was no appointment due for myself. Looking like i’ll have wait a while to get my first vaccine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santa Cruz
For covid purposes, really good for killing germs though so I use it. Although that's only when I can't wash my hands as that is far betterQuote:
Originally Posted by J.S
Daily Scottish update;
735 new cases since yesterday - 2.8% positivity rate
No change in the confirmed cases in hospital since yesterday
No change in the confirmed cases in intensive care since yesterday
3,441,217 people have now received their first dose of the vaccine - 18,786 people since yesterday
2,345,181 people have now received their second dose of the vaccine - 31,486 people since yesterday
1 death registered since yesterday
* Yesterday's hospital number ended up 3 higher than Tuesday's number as a result of a delay in reporting from NHS Lothian. Today's figure is the same as yesterday's.
Quite a decent day comparatively to recent ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
Really encouraging that the hospital numbers aren't going up too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
The number of people in England waiting for routine hospital treatment has topped five million - the highest number ever recorded.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...tment-12329156
Unfortunately that is going to lead to people dying prematurely in the months and years to come. It won't be an insignificant number either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
I'd hate to see the number of people on mental health support waiting lists, and how long some of those lists currently are. If it's less than 18 months in some places, I'd be surprised.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
There's going to be a genuine epidemic of mentally unwell people in this country in the coming years, and I'd absolutely hate to see the suicide statistics from last March til now.
Covid really is going to cause an avalanche of changes to our future lives.
Is there similar waiting list numbers available for here? I read not that long ago the figure for a diagnostic endoscopy appointment had topped 100,000.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
Is that true?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Seems mental that:
Every single advert encourages hand-washing and everywhere is littered with hand sanitiser.
'Elbowing' is encouraged rather than hand-shaking and high 5s in sport... despite needing to go closer to the person to touch elbows than you do to shake hands.
Everywhere and everything needs wiped-down after use to avoid spreading.
Contactless payments only encouraged in most shops and restaurants. As well as contactless delivery.
Surely there must be a fair bit of risk through contact rather than just sharing the same air :confused:
You're a scientist. Do you have any evidence at all that the suicide statistics for that period are higher than normal? :dunno:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylar
It's quite frightening to think about how many people will die prematurely due to knock on effects of covid on the NHS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santa Cruz
I wouldn't be surprised if it's higher than the amount of people who died due to covid itself.
*This not a arguement that lockdown shouldn't have occured just a simple observation.
A quick search brought this up but not sure if it's like for like or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santa Cruz
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...almost-double/
7,393 cases and 7 deaths registered in the UK today.
Ta.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
Yes and it's frustrating many how much time is spent on messaging on washing hands from gov. People only listen to a short advert quickly, so focuson distance and being outside.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeeRussell
I'm a building manager at the uni seconded into covid prevention. The biology department has been pleading constantly for months with the board focus on ventilation. Unfortunately time moves slowly at the top and we've this week spent millions on hand sanitiser and the ok for 6 months more touch point cleaning.
I'm happy the cleaners are getting overtime but money would be better spent on ventilation
I'm not surprised you're frustrated by it. Reason I asked was it's genuinely the first time I've heard that hand hygiene is effectively useless and seemed mental how much of a focus there has been and still is on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
As you say, still a nice bonus if people do take more care in washing hands etc in general.
Hand sanitiser is anti bacterial rather than anti viral. The original message was a catch all because we were not as well informed about the way the virus transmitted. I think it was a way to encourage better hygene which is not a bad thing. Having said that washing with soap and water is just as effective, but a small bottle of hand sanitizer fits in the pocket.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeeRussell
Me, I use hand sanitiser now after I have been in shops.
Hand hygiene is important, it reduces transmission of respiratory disease by up to 20%Quote:
Originally Posted by WeeRussell
Do a search and you'll see how many countries health agencies etc promote it for that very reason.
That's not to suggest that ventilation isn't a bigger issue but it's a much harder and more expensive one to fix in existing buildings.
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Depends if it has alcohol in it or not. Soap is actually the best of the hand cleansing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.uch...navirus/%3famp
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While I would not dispute that airborne transmission is more important, the attached article indicates that gels do work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/art...us-study-finds
According to the BMJ in March, there is no evidence that completed suicide events have risen during the pandemic, however, I'd advice caution on that assessment. This does not by any means there isn't going to be an increase. Suicide is a complex subject and mere dry data doesn't always tell the true tale.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n834
There have been many (arguably reasonable) claims of increases. A common one circulated last year was that suicides in the UK had increased 'by 200%). This was untrue but nevertheless circulated around 31,000 times before being debunked and taken down.
A problem with this can be that it's potentially harmful to those who are struggling with their mental health. It can reinforce any suicide ideation they have, possibly fatefully.
Still the reports of lack of an increase seem to confound. Across the people I have given treatment to over the past fifteen months there has been a noticable worsening of individuals' problems. The general suicidal thoughts have had more of a tendency to evolve intoactual plans for suicide as an example. Other issues such as domestic abuse are not only more prevalent but also increasingly more severe, relationships hitting problems a ittle more often ending in break-ups. That's how it feels to me anecdotally. There have been more episodes where emergency services have had to be called to literally save people's lives too.
Football fans heading to the Euro 2020 fan zone in Glasgow have been warned not to bring alcohol – or bagpipes.
Fan zone rules for supporters
Following physical distance guidance.
Wear a face mask when moving around.
Don’t bring large amounts of food or bags larger than a small rucksack.
Don’t bring any alcoholic drinks.
Noise-making instruments, glass containers, balls and inflatable items are all banned.
Flags and poles cannot be larger than one metre by two metres and no large umbrellas are allowed.
Everyone attending must scan the QR code to “check-in” with Test & Protect
Use card and contactless payment methods when purchasing food, drink or merchandise.
https://news.stv.tv/west-central/nae...0-fan-zone?top
I wonder if the principle that societies undergoing a common threat show lower rates of suicide than normal (for example, in wartime) might have some effect on the eventual stats, particularly in the earlier part of last year when people were out in the streets displaying common cause.Quote:
Originally Posted by stu in nottingham
Breakdown of today's cases by council area;
Edinburgh - 142
Glasgow - 117
Dundee - 72
North Lanarkshire - 37
Renfrewshire - 29
East Lothian - 26
Angus - 26
Midlothian - 23
West Lothian - 22
West Dunbartonshire - 22
North Ayrshire - 21
Fife - 21
Perth and Kinross - 20
East Renfrewshire - 19
East Ayrshire - 18
Stirling - 14
South Lanarkshire - 14
South Ayrshire - 13
East Dunbartonshire - 13
Clackmannanshire - 10
Aberdeenshire - 10
Highland - 7
Falkirk - 7
Aberdeen - 7
Scottish Borders - 5
Dumfries and Galloway - 5
Inverclyde - 4
Argyll and Bute - 1
That just shows it kills it so does bleach but only trum wants you to drink it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ballengeich
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7481174/
It will live on a surface but it's very hard for it to grow even in lab conditions once taken from surface.
The who are most cautious and say its highly unlikely to pass by touch but hand health is important anyway. Cdc says chances of getting covid if touching a surface with covid is less than 10,000 to 1 but probably much less due to sample size.
Even at the start of the year scientists were asking to change attention away https://theprint.in/health/coronavirus-likelier-in-air-we-breathe-than-surfaces-touched-what-scientists-say-we-got-wrong/586051/
It doesn't reduce covid by even 1%. You can get a hepa air purifier that does multiple classrooms at once for 30 quid. I know we have a ridiculous amount of classrooms in the UK but if you can afford laptops for each pupil..Quote:
Originally Posted by degenerated
Yes, you make a very good point LH. There is a belief that, especially earlier last last year as you say, various protective factors also surfaced in the pandemic where, for example, people were very conscious of supporting others in the community, especially those disadvantaged in any way. This could very likely have balanced out some of the heightened stressors on mental health. It's one of the reasons why data doesn't necessarily tell the full story.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
I'd be interested to see your source for the <1% figure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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The proto program at Edinburgh University found it impossible to get covid to culture after being picked up from a surface.Quote:
Originally Posted by degenerated
The first link in the text you quoted was a study that also found, low feasibility for indirect fomite transmission. They could not get any samples to infect other cells even in perfect lab conditions. The biology department at the uni who have 14 labs studying covid were willing and forceful to bet millions, that it is completely airborne transmission
HmmmQuote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
Yeah, I think I’ll watch it in the garden with a BBQ, beer, and as many 2m + flags as I want.
Cheers, you'd think they would make people aware of that so they can focus the money being spent on excess sanitary products on other measures instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Clearly makes the argument for face coverings being around for a long time though.
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Same here except the BBQ. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
In the immortal words of Jack Jarvis esq “linin’ the stomach means ye can drink mare” 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveHFC
Probably because hand hygiene is so important and we could all do with less people in hospital with s and d ect. All I've talked about at work is covid for over a year. But still when I'm on a bus I want to wash my hands after touching the railings because covid 😆 doesn't make sense but we've been on edge protecting ourselves for a yearQuote:
Originally Posted by degenerated
And defo for masks. I know people hate them but face masks for 20 minute bus journeys or 10 minutes in supermarket isn't a hardship until this is done. When I went to Hanoi I felt weird being the only one not having one on
I'm sort of used to the mask thing now, last year I was on ferry to Harris for 3 hours and found it no bother at all so doesn't bother me for going into shops etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Mind, I spend as much of my spare time as I can with my heid wedged into a motorbike helmet :greengrin
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What about the bagpipes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jones28
Daily update - first dose;Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
UK - 40,886,878 (78% of adult population)
Wales - 2,195,485 (87.8% of adult population)
England - 34,148,547 (77.6% of adult population)
Scotland - 3,441,217 (76.5% of adult population)
Northern Ireland - 1,101,629 (76% of adult population)
Second dose;
UK - 28,857,102 (55.1% of adult population)
England - 24,461,363 (55.6% of adult population)
Wales - 1,314,368 (52.6% of adult population)
Scotland - 2,345,181 (52.1% of adult population)
Northern Ireland - 736,190 (50.8% of adult population)
Same here but inside 😉 it is Scotland after all.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveHFC
Can be almost certain nay transmission at they speeds haQuote:
Originally Posted by degenerated
True but he could be a super fast spreader 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Will be toasting hot to watch England get beat on Sunday thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
BIL is a very good piper 👍🏻Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
Attachment 24795
Cases are now high enough in Edinburgh. You'd be 6 times safer getting az than covid, 30 times if 30 to 39.
Problem with fancy graphs is they can be used against you, although damage will be done on confidence.
Although we have so much spare az, you could open some walk in centres in places of high prevalence. All ages no appoappointment get az today or wait over a month if 18 , might get some.
https://mobile.twitter.com/nick_coatsworth/status/1401992413703331840Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Actually this graph was before Australian doctors said treatment could turn the death rate from 1 to 5 to 1 to 40. So az unbelievably more safe than getting covid
I've been running the bike in so anything but fast, I was overtaken by a whole load of scooterists the other day. I think they thought I was taking the proverbial [emoji1787]Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
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Nicola Sturgeon not going to the game on Monday as is working. Neither would I, sounds chronic 3 hours before with a bottle of water. I'll be in the boozer with Nic
3 hours of doe a deer, i think I'd go to the pub as well :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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I'm not saying it's no different. I'm saying people's acceptance and compliance will take similar paths.Quote:
Originally Posted by J.S
Screwed over again by Nippy and her Government ,change of wording yesterday on the Scottish Government website including not allowing DJs or outside equipment to be used for background music 🎶 at weddings or wakes ...still no indicative date for when music and dancing could start... plus no discretionary fund for businesses who live in level one.....all Scots are equal but some seem more equal than others
"Normality, as we knew it in 2019, is still some way off," the Northern Ireland health minister has said.
The health paper also said testing for coronavirus over the past few days has indicated that up to 25% of new cases here may be the Delta variant.
The document warns of another possible "significant fresh surge" of positive cases and hospitalisations by late summer or early autumn.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-57420151
For those interested or following the age related roll out of vaccinations my daughter (aged 23) has received her first appointment this morning (by text) for 26th June. She lives in Edinburgh.
Tbf your right , you didnt say it was the same. You said it was a fake argument and that people will stop moaning about the fact they had to 'endure' slight inconveniences unless they had a chip on their shoulders about authority.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
I think my main point is that it's none of that to many. If your a car driver who doesnt work or works from home the chances are that wearing a mask for five mins while you pop into the shop really isnt much of an inconvenience but that's not the experience of everybody and it would be nice to be supported rather than scorned as moaning or being spurious.
My criticism is aimed at the people who are perfectly capable of putting up with the minor inconvenience, but are so arrogant that they brag about defying the rules, or their intention to do so, and therefore as usual, spoil it for everyone, including those who genuinely struggle.Quote:
Originally Posted by J.S
Apart from people who live in cultures where mask wearing is common place, very few would choose to do so and the government wouldn't force it on the population unless there was good reason to do so.
I don't know anyone who enjoys wearing a mask, but I don't know anyone who doesn't do so or who will stop doing so until they're told it's ok to go without.
100% spot on as far as I’m concerned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
:aok: Thanks for clarifyingQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
It’s not really a minor inconvenience though, is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
If I go into my work just now I have to wear a mask for the full shift. A full shift of being completely uncomfortable to the point you just sit there all day thinking about how desperate you are to leave. Communicating with people becomes significantly more difficult, something which is key in my work. I’ve had customers in my work completely lose the rag because they can’t understand me through a mask, I can’t understand them through a mask and the whole communication becomes a **** show.
People have convinced themselves that wearing a mask, social distancing etc is a minor inconvenience because we’ve done it for so long. In reality, it’s a huge inconvenience which nobody would have accepted pre covid and nobody should be putting up with once everyone is vaccinated. Vaccinations are the way out of this to the point of going back to normal. Not to the point of still living heavily restricted lives.
So far 6 youngsters I know aged between 18 and 24 have had texts this morning with vaccine apppintments for next week.
Have you tried a perspex full face visor instead of the face mask?Quote:
Originally Posted by calumhibee1
https://news.stv.tv/scotland/interna...mpression=true
Good news.[emoji106]
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https://twitter.com/kallmemeg/status...914895876?s=21
Reasonable thread where the suggestion is that the Delta variant is more transmissible and leads to more hospitalisation. Double vaccination is having an impact. 73% of delta cases have no vaccination, only 3.7% are double vaccinated
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Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibbyradge
Scotland's national clinical director has warned there must be a "reverse gear" if Glasgow's Euro 2020 fan zone leads to a surge in Covid cases.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...-west-57439870
Should have insisted on testing like everywhere else in the UK and it could have minimised the risks. It's almost like we've not got the 60,000 testing capacity the FM has mentioned but never used once.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
This is after the Health secretary saying yesterday it's a low risk event. Now the Clinical Director is suggesting there is a possibility it could lead to a surge in cases?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
Bit of a contradiction isn't it.
I'm really angry at the rollout now and going to write to my MSP I think. I know two people, 35 and 36, who have to wait until end of June for their first dose.Quote:
Originally Posted by J.S
I’m 26 and have to wait until the end of June. Surely it’s just to do with availability in your location?Quote:
Originally Posted by neil7908
I think that's only if you're over 40.Quote:
Originally Posted by J.S
Yeah I just realised that sorry. I was gonna say supply but people in their 30s will get the same vaccine as the younger folk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
Maybe log in and try for a quicker one?
I would say so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
This is quite clearly a political decision, it's fairly obvious that the medical people are uncomfortable with the whole thing.
Get my first vaccine on the 29th of June at Midlothian Community Hospital.
Bring it on.
Have they logged into the online system to see if there's an earlier appointment? I'm 32 and my original appointment was supposed to be tomorrow but I got done last Sunday - also changed it to a more convenient location.Quote:
Originally Posted by neil7908
Amidst ever increasing cases, this is classed as 'low-risk' whilst 600 at the Scottish Cup Final was seen as too dangerous to proceed with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
Blatantly political decisions such as this, in the face of most public health guidance, will see more and more people begin to disregard these rules.
They'll only have themselves to blame.
There's maybe an argument that we need to do test events where there aren't mitigating measures in place to see what the comparative spread of Covid is like at events like these when you just let anyone in without checking for tests/vaccines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santa Cruz
I'm not convinced that's the plan here but it will provide benchmarking data regardless.
Although it might be harder to catch all the data in doing so. They'd probably need to do something like get everyone to do a Covid test 10 days after (or sooner if they had symptoms) to catch the data fully.
Then the supply and provision needs to be moved so its fairer. I should also add I know a couple of people aged 30 who live in the same part of Edinburgh as I do and they are already done with their first dose.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaulGoodman
I was looking at the Superdrug website last night and noticed a section on Covid-19 Vaccination. I got a bit curious and it turns out England, Wales and N.I. have been using Community Pharmacies as part of their programme for a number of months in various locations. The SG appears to have planned to use locum pharmacists as vaccinators but then renegaded on an agreement, sounds like it was pay related dispute but maybe I've read the Pharmacist Union's statement wrong?
https://www.the-pda.org/pharmacists-...tion-sessions/
Why haven't we used pharmacies if the RoUK have managed to bring some on board, it doesn't make sense to me?
https://pharmaceutical-journal.com/a...s-england-says
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/h...id-19-20301514
https://www.health-ni.gov.uk/news/co...rvice-launches
Surely it'd be quicker for you/them to change their appointment online?Quote:
Originally Posted by neil7908
Is there a discernable benefit to the vaccine rollout by using pharmacies?Quote:
Originally Posted by Santa Cruz
Yes, if you make a programme more accessible, you get less DNA's and wasted appointments and potentially vaccine supplies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Grieves
Will look into that but it's not the point in terms of the issues I've raised - they haven't rolled out as fairly or equitably based on my experience and of others I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Grieves
We've called 3 times, filled out the missing appointment link and was just told to wait each time. I should also add I was on the shielding list and we got a letter about 8 weeks ago saying my partner who lives with me could come forward now for her vaccination now. Called the same day and same thing - we've got your details, we'll get in touch.
The call centre has been useless. Not the staffs fault, it's been clear they don't know what's going on imo. Trying to actually get anything done has been very hard.
Exact same experience here. Phoned again earlier, assured a Team Lead will call me back today. Said registration for 18-29 year olds closes tonight at 8pm, I'm looking for an appointment for a 16 year old. I read the CMO's letter to them stressing the urgency, not getting anywhere. Even that letter from the CMO was late, the JCVI updated the guidance on 1 April, it took them a further 4 weeks to issue the letters.Quote:
Originally Posted by neil7908
If these are major issues you'd think it would be evidenced in the vaccine stats. The reality is our uptake among priority groups is comparable to elsewhere in the UK and we've vaccinated a higher percentage of our population than 2 of the countries you've mentioned. Not to say the rollout is perfect but I'm guessing that's the same everywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santa Cruz
Let me know if I can PM you, I've found a contact willing to help you todayQuote:
Originally Posted by neil7908
Please do, that is really appreciated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santa Cruz
SentQuote:
Originally Posted by neil7908
There has been major issues with DNA's, it's been widely reported. There could be a multitude of reasons for that, I'm sure I heard the FM say accessibility to site location was one of the possible explanations along with people having to take time of work to travel to further away sites. I just think make it as easy as you can, and you avoid that scenario. It wouldn't necessarily achieve higher vaccination rates, it would avoid slots going unused because someone didn't show, meaning someone else has missed out on the slot where accessibility wouldn't be an issue for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Grieves
The power of Hibs.bet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santa Cruz
Maybe we should take over the vaccination programme
I'm not sure if the OP has got my PM, there's nothing in my sent items. I don't know what I'm doing with PM's tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaulGoodman
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/07/u....co/cLLJoDGTXM
Adults will be able to claim a free marijuana joint when they receive a Covid-19 vaccine in Washington State. The promotion, called “Joints for Jabs,” is part of the state’s push to increase vaccinations.
PM's don't automatically save into your sent box unless you tick the box when sending.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santa Cruz
Daily Scottish update;
1,104 new cases since yesterday - 4.1% positivity rate
Increase of 8 in the confirmed cases in hospital since yesterday
Decrease of 1 in the confirmed cases in intensive care since yesterday
3,459,063 people have now received their first dose of the vaccine - 17,846 people since yesterday
2,375,246 people have now received their second dose of the vaccine - 30,065 people since yesterday
No deaths registered since yesterday
* Please note that Public Health Scotland are aware of a change in the laboratory processing of specimens in the Glasgow Lighthouse lab on 10/06/21, which has resulted in slower processing. This change resulted in yesterday’s reported figures being lower than otherwise might be expected by approximately 150-200 positive cases.
:aok:Quote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2