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16-06-2025, 03:50 PM
Ozyhibby

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16-06-2025, 03:52 PM
Hibspur

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Originally Posted by Bishop Hibee

Both vile regimes.

Even under the current Israeli government, your life would be immeasurably more liberated than in Iran, especially if you're a woman or gay.

To put that in context, Israel is the only Middle Eastern country to offer legal protections for LGBT+ people (Tel Aviv's Pride parade is among the biggest in the world), while in Iran homosexuality remains punishable by death. Iranian legislation also allows the imposition of the death penalty on women who defy the compulsory veiling laws.
16-06-2025, 04:12 PM
Stairway 2 7

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Originally Posted by Hibspur

Even under the current Israeli government, your life would be immeasurably more liberated than in Iran, especially if you're a woman or gay.

To put that in context, Israel is the only Middle Eastern country to offer legal protections for LGBT+ people (Tel Aviv's Pride parade is among the biggest in the world), while in Iran homosexuality remains punishable by death. Iranian legislation also allows the imposition of the death penalty on women who defy the compulsory veiling laws.

But if your one of the 10k Palestinian bairns slaughtered, not so liberated
16-06-2025, 04:12 PM
Bishop Hibee

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Originally Posted by Hibspur

Even under the current Israeli government, your life would be immeasurably more liberated than in Iran, especially if you're a woman or gay.

To put that in context, Israel is the only Middle Eastern country to offer legal protections for LGBT+ people (Tel Aviv's Pride parade is among the biggest in the world), while in Iran homosexuality remains punishable by death. Iranian legislation also allows the imposition of the death penalty on women who defy the compulsory veiling laws.

There’s only one of those regimes committing genocide at present. Don’t use ‘whitabootery’ to let the far right maniacs leading Israel off the hook.
16-06-2025, 04:14 PM
Hibspur

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Originally Posted by WestStandWillie

Russia and Israel are the root of all evil.

That's quite the exaggeration when it comes to Israel. How about China under Mao (nearly 50 million killed)? The Nazi Holocaust (14 million dead)? The Soviet Union under Stalin (13 million dead)? The Khmer Rouge/Pol Pot? Or more recently the genocides in Rwanda and Darfur? Israel's current (democratically elected) government is hard line and their current actions polarise opinion, but the country has consistently found itself fighting to preserve the Middle East's only Jewish state. There's a lot of focus on 1948 being the start of the Arab/Israeli conflict, but Jews have been one of the most consistently persecuted races in history and their battle against anti-Semitism in the region goes back many centuries.
16-06-2025, 05:09 PM
AgentDaleCooper

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Originally Posted by WestStandWillie

Russia and Israel are the root of all evil.

How many more innocent people must die for the purposes of land grabbing?

this is absolute horse ****.

Israel, as it exists today, is a direct and more-or-less deliberate result of Europe outsourcing its massive anti-semitism problem onto the middle east, whilst in the process turning an utterly devastated and traumatised population into an attack dog for the purposes of western interests. It needn't have been done this way, and the fact that it was is almost entirely the west's fault. This isn't to say that the west is the root of all evil - i think that root can be found in people all over the world. that is, the impulse towards imperialism, and the willingness of populations to turn a blind eye to it when it suits them to do so.

i'll give you this though - Netenyahu and Putin are evil.
16-06-2025, 05:34 PM
Smartie

Talk of there being all sorts going on at the G7 - Americans falling out with folk left, right and centre.

It'll be the G6 after this...

Incredibly tense and hostile, instead of it being the G7, the Chinese, Indians, Mexicans and others are there too. "Americans not reading the room" seemingly.
16-06-2025, 07:26 PM
Stairway 2 7

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Originally Posted by Hibspur

That's quite the exaggeration when it comes to Israel. How about China under Mao (nearly 50 million killed)? The Nazi Holocaust (14 million dead)? The Soviet Union under Stalin (13 million dead)? The Khmer Rouge/Pol Pot? Or more recently the genocides in Rwanda and Darfur? Israel's current (democratically elected) government is hard line and their current actions polarise opinion, but the country has consistently found itself fighting to preserve the Middle East's only Jewish state. There's a lot of focus on 1948 being the start of the Arab/Israeli conflict, but Jews have been one of the most consistently persecuted races in history and their battle against anti-Semitism in the region goes back many centuries.

Some crown for Netanyahu, you're not as bad as Pol Pot. Israel is certainly an evil regime. Being persecuted doesn't mean you deliberately flatten areas when you have the most precise weapons in the world. Thousands of children butchered in revenge of having the wrong regime in charge of them.
16-06-2025, 09:21 PM
Hibspur

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

Some crown for Netanyahu, you're not as bad as Pol Pot. Israel is certainly an evil regime. Being persecuted doesn't mean you deliberately flatten areas when you have the most precise weapons in the world. Thousands of children butchered in revenge of having the wrong regime in charge of them.

There's only so much precision possible when (as another poster pointed out a few days ago) the terrorists you're targeting embed themselves in civilian infrastructure - thereby increasing civilian casualties for propaganda purposes.

Extremists on both sides, no question, but Hamas too often get a free pass for the misery they've deliberately manufactured for the people they claim to represent.
16-06-2025, 09:48 PM
Stairway 2 7

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Originally Posted by Hibspur

There's only so much precision possible when (as another poster pointed out a few days ago) the terrorists you're targeting embed themselves in civilian infrastructure - thereby increasing civilian casualties for propaganda purposes.

Extremists on both sides, no question, but Hamas too often get a free pass for the misery they've deliberately manufactured for the people they claim to represent.

Bollocks quite frankly. Have you seen drone footage flown over raffa, every building hit for miles. Hamas weren't hiding in every home it's a disgusting cop out. EMN in the US estimate Israel has dropped 100,000 tons of bombs on gaza or 100 kiloton. The Hiroshima bomb was 15 kiloton so roughly the equivalent of seven dropped on Gaza. The footage of burning refugee tents and limbless kids must be hiding the Hamas military behind them
16-06-2025, 10:15 PM
Kato

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Originally Posted by Hibspur

There's only so much precision possible when (as another poster pointed out a few days ago) the terrorists you're targeting embed themselves in civilian infrastructure - thereby increasing civilian casualties for propaganda purposes.

Extremists on both sides, no question, but Hamas too often get a free pass for the misery they've deliberately manufactured for the people they claim to represent.

Propaganda purposes. Sure...

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