Hamas attack on Israel

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Originally Posted by Hibspur

Genocidal fanatics stage a raid on a neighbouring country they despise, taking out as many of its citizens as they can, then claim their neighbours are the genocidal ones when they come to hunt them down. Other people buy into this.

That would be my take on it.

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"Come to hunt them down" seems to be a blunt, broad term there.

There are genocidal maniacs on both sides of that situation. The Palastinians have Hamas who are fanatics and the Israelis have a fundamental element whose religious book warrants genocide and gives instructions from their God to do so.

They are both sick in the head.

The Irish situation started to seem more resolvable once terms like "men of violence" started to be used. The term would be useful here but I understand it doesn't suit either sides agenda or those who seek to profit from it.

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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...fending-israel

UK jets heading to the region.

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Originally Posted by Hibspur

Iran is a fundamentalist dictatorship. Whatever you feel about their current government, Israel is a parliamentary democracy (the only one in the Middle East) and an indispensable strategic ally to the West.

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Democratic governments and dictatorships appear a bit more blurred given recent events

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Originally Posted by Hibspur

Or perhaps a useful reminder of the fact that this supposed genocide was triggered by a mass terrorist attack involving the slaughter of civilians and the taking of hostages? Terrorists who embed themselves within and below civilian infrastructure, content to increase civilian casualties for propaganda purposes. Hamas knew fine well the consequences of their actions and appear to care not a jot for the people they're purported to 'govern'.

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Supposed genocide ffs

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Originally Posted by Hibs4185

Who’s the European state?

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Not sure if that's a serious question, but they no longer exist. The allies defeated them and their plans of expansionism to take over Europe in WW2

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Originally Posted by makaveli1875

It's not quite as simple as that is it . Israel has been under attack for the entirety of its existence. They had to learn to fight or there wouldn't be an Israel today .

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As well as the excellent BBC series mentioned the Netflix documentary Inside The Mossad goes deep into exactly that steely determination to fend off threats to Israel's statehood. In addition the pursuit of Nazis, particularly thee way they brought Adolf Eichmann to justice, is compelling stuff.

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Originally Posted by He's here!

As well as the excellent BBC series mentioned the Netflix documentary Inside The Mossad goes deep into exactly that steely determination to fend off threats to Israel's statehood. In addition the pursuit of Nazis, particularly thee way they brought Adolf Eichmann to justice, is compelling stuff.

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The biggest threat to Israeli statehood are the genocidal extremists leading Israel at present.

Iranians starting to flee Tehran today.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/06/15/m...i-strikes-intl

Guess without the protection of an 'iron dome', state of the art bomb shelters and warning systems, safest thing to do is just leave.

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Iranian experts have said that by attacking residential areas in Iran, Israel has “crossed the Rubicon” – or passed the point of no return – and is inviting attacks of the same kind from Tehran.

“We don’t support the Iranian regime, but we are against Israel attacking residential areas and civilians,” said an older male Tehran resident. “If Israel is against Iran’s nuclear program and military capabilities, they should target those areas and not create another situation like what is happening in Gaza.”

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Unlike Israel, Iran’s capital Tehran doesn’t have modern bomb shelters, so the city must make use of tunnels, basements or older shelters used in the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980s – the last time the country faced such a grave national emergency.

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