SNP are lying b******s as well !

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It is. Or at a more micro level that Inverness interests dominate Highland. It is beyond ridiculous that "local" government stretches from Ardnamurchan to Caithness!

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It's an interesting debate. The old district and regional council structures could be argued as top heavy, but they allowed for the grouping of services at a more granular level. Issues with a particularly local focus like housing were at district level, whereas services that benefited from economies of scale, like social work and education, were at a regional level. Argyll used to be cited as an area that benefitted from standards being raised because of the wider experience of Glasgow being in the same region. I think that would address some of the points you raise, but I don't think it could be justified on over governance grounds. Is there a case for more councils but with shared services for certain functions?

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That's a slightly different take to what some have been arguing here. But again it falls into the trap of seeing things through an English, Scottish, Welsh or NI prism. It totally ignores things like economic interests. It also fundamentally ignores that MPs do not vote on whether they are from England, Scotland etc. By that logic Mhari Black and Douglas Ross would vote together for Scotland's interests. They don't because they have different philosophical views on what Scotland interests are. And that applies across Westminster.

I posted yesterday about the complaint from Aberdeen that central belt interests dominate in Holyrood. Do you think that is an issue too?

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You're missing a fundamental point as is your way with your posts.

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And that point is?

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And that point is?

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You regularly miss fundamental points when they don't suit.

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You regularly miss fundamental points when they don't suit.

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That's just getting personal now Jack. So the fundamental point is?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-64978689

Shock.

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Someone will be along shortly to paint on the windows :faf:

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Just when you think our Islanders have suffered enough. There are real consequences for peoples lives because of this absolute farce. And still nobody takes responsibility.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-64978689

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The shock is it's on the BBC website... Aye? :wink::greengrin

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/s...lling-29479637

'SNP lurching to right and falling apart, claims Starmer'

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He would say that. Also has a veiled pop at the Scottish branch and shows a bit disregard for Donald Dewar's devolution settlement.

And if he thinks any SNP leaver is going to join Labour he needs his head looked.

Next!

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He would say that. Also has a veiled pop at the Scottish branch and shows a bit disregard for Donald Dewar's devolution settlement.

And if he thinks any SNP leaver is going to join Labour he needs his head looked.

Next!

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Do you think SNP leavers have joined Alba?

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Probably haven’t joined anywhere and are still there to be won back over by a new SNP leader. I think they still vote SNP.


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I don't. I think the vast majority have just gone back to being yessers who aren't party members, i know a handful who are in that camp. Theyll still vote SNP and still want independence but are no longer party members.

What are the benefits of being a member of a political party? Is it just getting to vote on leadership contests?

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Probably haven’t joined anywhere and are still there to be won back over by a new SNP leader. I think they still vote SNP.


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You might be right. I was more thinking if you're a member of any party, that indicates you are more interested in politics than your more typical voter who just places a vote. If you then leave for whatever reason but still hold strong political views, I would have thought you move your vote to a party who supports issues you most align with. At the same time showing you protest against the party you were a member of but feel let down by.

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He would say that. Also has a veiled pop at the Scottish branch and shows a bit disregard for Donald Dewar's devolution settlement.

And if he thinks any SNP leaver is going to join Labour he needs his head looked.

Next!

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Yes he would say that, but with the SNP in a mess now's the time to capitalise - and he does acknowledge the mass exodus of SNP members doesn't mean they'll automatically switch to Labour. I do think though that the chance to put a Labour government in place (thereby ensuring Scottish voters DO get the government they vote for) will help him make inroads into changing the Scottish political landscape.

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Yes he would say that, but with the SNP in a mess now's the time to capitalise - and he does acknowledge the mass exodus of SNP members doesn't mean they'll automatically switch to Labour. I do think though that the chance to put a Labour government in place (thereby ensuring Scottish voters DO get the government they vote for) will help him make inroads into changing the Scottish political landscape.

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Although some people have made it clear they would love it to be the case, the SNP isn't in a mess.

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Yes he would say that, but with the SNP in a mess now's the time to capitalise - and he does acknowledge the mass exodus of SNP members doesn't mean they'll automatically switch to Labour. I do think though that the chance to put a Labour government in place (thereby ensuring Scottish voters DO get the government they vote for) will help him make inroads into changing the Scottish political landscape.

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Although some people have made it clear they would love it to be the case, the SNP isn't in a mess.

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I think even their most ardent supporters would acknowledge they've hit troubled waters.

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Win? As in a majority of Scottish Westminster seats? Doubtful, but I think they are in with a good shout of becoming a credible contender again.

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I think even their most ardent supporters would acknowledge they've hit troubled waters.

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I don't know any SNP supporter who thinks otherwise. No point in pretending on here that all is well just to have an argument with the likes of you. It's a mess, if KF gets in then that will help but there are still huge issues to overcome. I know some longstanding party members and they're scunnered.

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Win? As in a majority of Scottish Westminster seats? Doubtful, but I think they are in with a good shout of becoming a credible contender again.

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They are a contender because they're not the SNP. It's certainly not due to anything Scottish Labour have come up with.

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I don't know any SNP supporter who thinks otherwise. No point in pretending on here that all is well just to have an argument with the likes of you. It's a mess, if KF gets in then that will help but there are still huge issues to overcome. I know some longstanding party members and they're scunnered.

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Think you're right. The in-fighting and briefings against the new leader, whoever that is, will continue. That's a problem for any political party when that happens, but much worse if the party is in Gov.

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Win? As in a majority of Scottish Westminster seats? Doubtful, but I think they are in with a good shout of becoming a credible contender again.

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So not the govt we voted for as you claimed?


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It doesn't mean anything. Look at how many votes the SNP got at the last election when they had over 100k members. Labour got nearly half that amount of votes with less than a fifth of party member numbers in comparison to the SNP.

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Labour are definitely only another post about ferries or link to the telegraph away from taking complete control.

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Yeh, I think right now it's a long shot but not impossible if the SNP continue to unravel at the present rate. I do, though, think the Scottish electorate will have a bigger say in who takes power than they have since Blair, even that doesn't equate to a Labour majority here.

Scottish politics has become a stagnant pond under the SNP. Talk of another referendum in five years is hardly going to invigorate their followers. It's time to change the narrative, which should hopefully work in Labour's favour.

I do find it funny how people are looking at the SNP and talking about unravelling, turmoil etc. That has been the Labour party for my entire voting life, apart from a brief spell when Blair was leader. Tories are always a **** show. Political parties will go through phases like this. Thankfully for snp, and Scotland, it's not their default position

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What are those numbers?

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What are those numbers?

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Thanks. I should have read the subsequent posts.

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It doesn't mean anything. Look at how many votes the SNP got at the last election when they had over 100k members. Labour got nearly half that amount of votes with less than a fifth of party member numbers in comparison to the SNP.

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It doesn't mean the amount of voters they attract is proportionate. It does mean what it says though, they have a vastly larger membership.

And also a very high per-capita membership for a UK party notwithstanding this drop off. For comparison, the most recent Lab figure I can see is 430K (equivalent to 35Kish in Scotland) . So Scot Lab is hugely underperforming the UK party when it comes to attracting members. The Tories have less than half of Lab and the poor old Libs less in the whole UK than even this reduced SNP figure.

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Yeh, I think right now it's a long shot but not impossible if the SNP continue to unravel at the present rate. I do, though, think the Scottish electorate will have a bigger say in who takes power than they have since Blair, even that doesn't equate to a Labour majority here.

Scottish politics has become a stagnant pond under the SNP. Talk of another referendum in five years is hardly going to invigorate their followers. It's time to change the narrative, which should hopefully work in Labour's favour.

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When half the electorate or thereabouts want Scotland to be a normal country what makes you think they're going to start voting for a unionist party like Labour?

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It doesn't mean the amount of voters they attract is proportionate. It does mean what it says though, they have a vastly larger membership.

And also a very high per-capita membership for a UK party notwithstanding this drop off. For comparison, the most recent Lab figure I can see is 430K (equivalent to 35Kish in Scotland) . So Scot Lab is hugely underperforming the UK party when it comes to attracting members. The Tories have less than half of Lab and the poor old Libs less in the whole UK than even this reduced SNP figure.

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All this ‘size of our membership’ talk by SNP supporters sounds a bit FOH to me 😀

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What are the benefits of being a member of a political party? Is it just getting to vote on leadership contests?

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Financial support for elections and campaigns (assuming your party tells you where the money went).

A little bit of a chance to try and shape policy at conference etc

Countless emails

20% off at the Co-Op

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When half the electorate or thereabouts want Scotland to be a normal country what makes you think they're going to start voting for a unionist party like Labour?

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Because unionist/nationalist isn't the only prism people have in deciding who to vote for.

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Another SNP loss in Council by election…to the Tories in Stirling 🙄

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Because unionist/nationalist isn't the only prism people have in deciding who to vote for.

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It’s is the dominant prism in Scotland. We have Tories voting for Labour and Labour supporters voting tactically for the Tories in Scotland. The constitution is the single biggest issue in Scottish politics and it’s not changing soon. I live in ACH constituency that he won by a country mile and I haven’t met a single person who doesn’t think he’s a bit of a dick but I’ve met loads who voted for him.


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You’re right. I suppose the difference is FOH members know where their money goes.

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It’s is the dominant prism in Scotland. We have Tories voting for Labour and Labour supporters voting tactically for the Tories in Scotland. The constitution is the single biggest issue in Scottish politics and it’s not changing soon. I live in ACH constituency that he won by a country mile and I haven’t met a single person who doesn’t think he’s a bit of a dick but I’ve met loads who voted for him.


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I wonder if that might change given a)Labour in the UK being in its strongest position for years b) stronger emphasis on getting the Tories out c) possible fall out from SNP leadership election?

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Dunblane and Bridge of Allan. Always was going to be a Tory win. The SNP vote share went up so not too bad a result while not unexpected

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I wonder if that might change given a)Labour in the UK being in its strongest position for years b) stronger emphasis on getting the Tories out c) possible fall out from SNP leadership election?

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It is a fallacy to suggest that you need to vote Labour in Scotland to get rid of the Tories. Labour need to win in England, end of. If they don't they will not win the election.

Mainly greens going to tory

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Dunblane and Bridge of Allan (Stirling) by-election, first preferences:

Conservative: 1832 (41%, +10.9)
SNP: 1202 (26.9%, +1.1)
Labour: 600 (13.4%, +1.6)
Lib Dem: 399 (8.9%, -0.4)
Green: 389 (8.7%, -7.3)
Family: 50 (1.1%, +0.4)
(Non-returns 6.2% in 2022

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It is a fallacy to suggest that you need to vote Labour in Scotland to get rid of the Tories. Labour need to win in England, end of. If they don't they will not win the election.

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The point I'm making is that an electable Labour is a more attractive proposition. That will apply here too. At lot will depend on how the new FM does. If the history of Labour teaches us anything it's that nothing lasts forever.

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It doesn't mean the amount of voters they attract is proportionate. It does mean what it says though, they have a vastly larger membership.

And also a very high per-capita membership for a UK party notwithstanding this drop off. For comparison, the most recent Lab figure I can see is 430K (equivalent to 35Kish in Scotland) . So Scot Lab is hugely underperforming the UK party when it comes to attracting members. The Tories have less than half of Lab and the poor old Libs less in the whole UK than even this reduced SNP figure.

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'notwithstanding this drop off'...losing more than 40% of your members in a short space of time is more than a drop-off. It lays bare the party's direction of travel right now, so it's little wonder they were so reluctant to release the figures.

When your raison d'etre is independence (ie a specific cause to rally round) it's more likely you'll get folk signing up to that cause. While other factors/policies will likely have contributed to so many members drifting away, the sense that independence is as far away as ever is the most common reason for disillusionment.

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It is a fallacy to suggest that you need to vote Labour in Scotland to get rid of the Tories. Labour need to win in England, end of. If they don't they will not win the election.

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Pretty sure Theresa May had Scottish Tory votes to thank for keeping them in power in 2017. Had Labour been more successful here they'd have been in a position to form a government.

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When half the electorate or thereabouts want Scotland to be a normal country what makes you think they're going to start voting for a unionist party like Labour?

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The other half of the electorate or thereabouts would prefer to see the dead weight of constitutional debate pushed way down the agenda when it comes to Scottish politics. In the current economic climate it may well be that the mass exodus of members from the SNP reflects that view too. There are simply bigger priorities for many these days.

Sturgeon kicked up a stink about the 'democracy denial' of the Supreme Court decision and the s35, yet membership has continued to fall in the wake of such rabble-rousing hyperbole (probably a key aspect of her decision to quit). The opportunity to actually make a difference at the ballot box may well sway voters next time out. Labour, though, really need to ramp up their credentials here to ensure that happens, so I suspect we'll see plenty more of the rhetoric from Starmer that he's been coming out with this week.

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Well, it's on the way down sharply, so we can but hope FOH follows suit. :wink:

It is pretty remarkable what happened to the SNP membership following the Indyref and I guess we are now seeing that, suprise!, it was an anomalous high and things are trending back to the mean.

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To be fair it was a non-SNP supporter that 1st posted something relating to the party falling apart, it's fair it's responded to IMHO.

That said... I can see your point! :greengrin

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Well, it's on the way down sharply, so we can but hope FOH follows suit. :wink:

It is pretty remarkable what happened to the SNP membership following the Indyref and I guess we are now seeing that, suprise!, it was an anomalous high and things are trending back to the mean.

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It's remarkable the numbers stayed steady for 7 years post referendum. It also is how it's fell of a cliff particular in the last year. It will certainly effect finances but it won't necessarily matter, as long as the leavers doesn't show a trend of people stopping voting snp

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It's remarkable the numbers stayed steady for 7 years post referendum. It also is how it's fell of a cliff particular in the last year. It will certainly effect finances but it won't necessarily matter, as long as the leavers doesn't show a trend of people stopping voting snp

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Guessing this is what may lie behind the Murrell loan.

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Dunblane and Bridge of Allan. Always was going to be a Tory win. The SNP vote share went up so not too bad a result while not unexpected

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They lost to Labour up in Aberdeen a few weeks ago as well.

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Just when you think our Islanders have suffered enough. There are real consequences for peoples lives because of this absolute farce. And still nobody takes responsibility.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-64988304

A few hours after Ash Regan raised concerns about her actions in the FM elections, Liz Lloyd resigns. She was Nicola Sturgeons chief of staff and says she was always going to go when NS quit, so goes weeks later

https://www.heraldscotland.com/polit...service-chief/

"So there are lots of questions here. What has been promised to [Liz Lloyd]? Why is it that Liz Lloyd is being paid by the taxpayer helping Humza Yousaf, the party’s favourite candidate?" they said.

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The other half of the electorate or thereabouts would prefer to see the dead weight of constitutional debate pushed way down the agenda when it comes to Scottish politics. In the current economic climate it may well be that the mass exodus of members from the SNP reflects that view too. There are simply bigger priorities for many these days.

Sturgeon kicked up a stink about the 'democracy denial' of the Supreme Court decision and the s35, yet membership has continued to fall in the wake of such rabble-rousing hyperbole (probably a key aspect of her decision to quit). The opportunity to actually make a difference at the ballot box may well sway voters next time out. Labour, though, really need to ramp up their credentials here to ensure that happens, so I suspect we'll see plenty more of the rhetoric from Starmer that he's been coming out with this week.

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Yep. SNP members are leaving because they don’t want independence any more.

Murray Foote SNPs media manager quits. He said to the media last month that it was nonsense they lost 30,000 members and said similar on twitter. He's chucked a grenade as he's going saying that the information was from HQ.

Bizarre. No wonder they are routing for Yousaf as there would be sackings at HQ for incompetence. Any more resignations coming today or we quite done?

https://mobile.twitter.com/GregoryHo...91880309522435

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Murray Foote SNPs media manager quits. He said to the media last month that it was nonsense they lost 30,000 members and said similar on twitter. He's chucked a grenade as he's going saying that the information was from HQ.

Bizarre. No wonder they are routing for Yousaf as there would be sackings at HQ for incompetence. Any more resignations coming today or we quite done?

https://mobile.twitter.com/GregoryHo...91880309522435

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Murrell should surely be considering his own position now.

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Murray Foote SNPs media manager quits. He said to the media last month that it was nonsense they lost 30,000 members and said similar on twitter. He's chucked a grenade as he's going saying that the information was from HQ.

Bizarre. No wonder they are routing for Yousaf as there would be sackings at HQ for incompetence. Any more resignations coming today or we quite done?

https://mobile.twitter.com/GregoryHo...91880309522435

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What a shambles. This is the guff he put out:

https://www.thenational.scot/news/23318753.snp-reject-report-30-000-quit-party-nicola-sturgeon-gender-reforms/

Liz Lloyd...was she not at the heart of the alleged attempt to make the Salmond allegations 'go away'?

Yousaf will be hoping a lot of people voted early because being the continuity candidate now is not a great look.


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where can it be watched?

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Thought these had finished?

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https://www.heraldscotland.com/polit...service-chief/

"So there are lots of questions here. What has been promised to [Liz Lloyd]? Why is it that Liz Lloyd is being paid by the taxpayer helping Humza Yousaf, the party’s favourite candidate?" they said.

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Published today by Andy Wightman https://andywightman.scot/archives/4998

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If any of the other two win the stench won’t stop. The SNP are looking just as dysfunctional as the Tories right now. What a mess.

No mention from anyone of Stephen Flynn on QT last night?

I’ve never seen anyone turn an audience like that in my life 😂

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No mention from anyone of Stephen Flynn on QT last night?

I’ve never seen anyone turn an audience like that in my life 😂

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Big chance on the national telly and he blew it in his first response.

It isn’t even that he was saying anything unexpected, the SNP are desperately trying to avoid a Starmer majority. It was the way he said it, the room thought he was an idiot.

Worst thing for him and whoever advised him on his lines was that he had made a decent start, although slagging a Tory budget is the political equivalent of shooting fish in a barrel.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64993032 It appears something is rotten at Murrell Towers

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Big chance on the national telly and he blew it in his first response.

It isn’t even that he was saying anything unexpected, the SNP are desperately trying to avoid a Starmer majority. It was the way he said it, the room thought he was an idiot.

Worst thing for him and whoever advised him on his lines was that he had made a decent start, although slagging a Tory budget is the political equivalent of shooting fish in a barrel.

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His first response was the “decent start” (?!) and he was applauded by the audience for most of his input throughout. Sure, the woman next to him rolled her eyes a couple of times and his opposition thought he was an “idiot”.

I assumed it was the Keir Starmer tie comments you took exception to. Like I say, no issue for me personally - saying what so many of us think, including Labour supporters. If your main take from Question Time last night was that Stephen Flynn looked an idiot and blew a big chance then I can’t see either of us budging.

I enjoyed him and think he done well. Happy to agree to disagree with no condescending essays required.

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Originally Posted by WeeRussell

His first response was the “decent start” (?!) and he was applauded by the audience for most of his input throughout. Sure, the woman next to him rolled her eyes a couple of times and his opposition thought he was an “idiot”.

I assumed it was the Keir Starmer tie comments you took exception to. Like I say, no issue for me personally - saying what so many of us think, including Labour supporters. If your main take from Question Time last night was that Stephen Flynn looked an idiot and blew a big chance then I can’t see either of us budging.

I enjoyed him and think he done well. Happy to agree to disagree with no condescending essays required.

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Agreed. The tesco guy and the lady sitting to his right just had knee-jerk reactions to whatever he said, hardly a win for them. Did like some of what the tesco guy said.

Can't say I enjoy hearing those things he said on question time as its the reality for the country/unitary state. Seems like whatever crap the Tories fling at the fan some people can't wait to willfully fling themselves towards the backflow and proclaim it practical or patriotic or whatever it is they pretend it to be at any given time. Someone has to say it though. I'd also quite enjoy hearing him say "round and round the ragged rascal ran", but that's and another matterrr.

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Originally Posted by WeeRussell

His first response was the “decent start” (?!) and he was applauded by the audience for most of his input throughout. Sure, the woman next to him rolled her eyes a couple of times and his opposition thought he was an “idiot”.

I assumed it was the Keir Starmer tie comments you took exception to. Like I say, no issue for me personally - saying what so many of us think, including Labour supporters. If your main take from Question Time last night was that Stephen Flynn looked an idiot and blew a big chance then I can’t see either of us budging.

I enjoyed him and think he done well. Happy to agree to disagree with no condescending essays required.

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Your essay wasn’t condescending, be kind to yourself.

I was just intrigued that no one from the SNP fold on here had posted any comment about their Westminster leader, and by the sounds of it, much-preferred Holyrood leader. That was his first appearance on QT wasn’t it?

He got a great round of applause for Tory-bashing, in a way that the ‘outsider’ on the panel can. Then he made his jibe about Starmer. I didn’t take exception to it. I was laughing out loud. More importantly, the audience who had been on his side went stone-cold silent, some rumbling and growling even. Talk about not being able to read a room. It’s little wonder all he ended up doing after that was trying to shout over Lucy Powell.

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Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye

Your essay wasn’t condescending, be kind to yourself.

I was just intrigued that no one from the SNP fold on here had posted any comment about their Westminster leader, and by the sounds of it, much-preferred Holyrood leader. That was his first appearance on QT wasn’t it?

He got a great round of applause for Tory-bashing, in a way that the ‘outsider’ on the panel can. Then he made his jibe about Starmer. I didn’t take exception to it. I was laughing out loud. More importantly, the audience who had been on his side went stone-cold silent, some rumbling and growling even. Talk about not being able to read a room. It’s little wonder all he ended up doing after that was trying to shout over Lucy Powell.

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Don’t watch QT so not really got an opinion.


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

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He should already be gone. The party has lied and the buck stops with him.

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Originally Posted by marinello59

He should already be gone. The party has lied and the buck stops with him.

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I agree. They have had a shocking couple of weeks.


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Originally Posted by Kato

Agreed. The tesco guy and the lady sitting to his right just had knee-jerk reactions to whatever he said, hardly a win for them. Did like some of what the tesco guy said.

Can't say I enjoy hearing those things he said on question time as its the reality for the country/unitary state. Seems like whatever crap the Tories fling at the fan some people can't wait to willfully fling themselves towards the backflow and proclaim it practical or patriotic or whatever it is they pretend it to be at any given time. Someone has to say it though. I'd also quite enjoy hearing him say "round and round the ragged rascal ran", but that's and another matterrr.

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I’m glad you made that last statement first, not me :greengrin. It becomes more prominent when he gets excited and his voice gets higher-pitched too. I would have imagined the SNP did media training for their MPs but then it turns out he has just quit!

And before anyone gets too hot under the collar, one of the things Ed Miliband was lampooned for was his adenoidal voice. It’s a bit cheap to use it as a weapon but it nevertheless has some effect, which I guess says more about people in general than it does about Miliband or Flynn.

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

I agree. They have had a shocking couple of weeks.


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Do you not think they should spoil the ballot papers received and re-start the voting process again?

Snps excuse for lying is awful. They say when they were asked if they had lost 30k members they were being asked if they lost 30k members due to grc.


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Don’t watch QT so not really got an opinion.


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It will be on catch-up. I think they repeat the programme during the week as well. :greengrin

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Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye

It will be on catch-up. I think they repeat the programme during the week as well. :greengrin

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I mean that I don’t ever watch it. It’s not really my cup of tea. And Newsnight on the other channel.


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

I mean that I don’t ever watch it. It’s not really my cup of tea. And Newsnight on the other channel.


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Yeah, I’m being a bit unfair to be honest, sorry.

I go through phases with it. I don’t think it will ever match its heyday, c.1995-1997. The audience used to boo the Tory panellist just about from the minute they were introduced, and every time they gave a response, even if it couldn’t possibly offend anybody :greengrin

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What did he say, I'm proud of being Mr continuity, Peter Murrell why would I get rid of him he's an election winner, I don't go down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories the other candidates should stop listening to innuendo.

He's literally not mentioned change once, any criticism of the snp was doing the opponents work. Now when it's a shambles, they are nothing to do with me I wanted change

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What did he say, I'm proud of being Mr continuity, Peter Murrell why would I get rid of him he's an election winner, I don't go down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories the other candidates should stop listening to innuendo.

He's literally not mentioned change once, any criticism of the snp was doing the opponents work. Now when it's a shambles, they are nothing to do with me I wanted change

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Yousaf’s slogan should be ‘Follow me, I’ll be right behind you.’ :greengrin

Mandy Rhodes now - when she was told not to question the press officer's integrity re: J. Cherry questions.

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Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye

I’m glad you made that last statement first, not me :greengrin. It becomes more prominent when he gets excited and his voice gets higher-pitched too. I would have imagined the SNP did media training for their MPs but then it turns out he has just quit!

And before anyone gets too hot under the collar, one of the things Ed Miliband was lampooned for was his adenoidal voice. It’s a bit cheap to use it as a weapon but it nevertheless has some effect, which I guess says more about people in general than it does about Miliband or Flynn.

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I like both Miliband and Flynn.

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Originally Posted by Kato

I like both Miliband and Flynn.

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I voted for Ed in 2010. I think history will treat him more kindly than the electorate did. His policies were portrayed as extreme at the time and are pretty much orthodox now.

As for Flynn, he seems a very earnest fellow, which is an admirable trait in my book. Not enough earnestness these days, regardless of what one is being earnest about.

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Originally Posted by Santa Cruz

Do you not think they should spoil the ballot papers received and re-start the voting process again?

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Why? Please explain that as I have no idea why that needs to happen.