Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by PaulSmith

Now come on Jason Leitch, now you are being offensive :)

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I may have taken that too far. :greengrin

Daily Scottish update;

33 new cases since yesterday
Decrease of 51 in hospital with either confirmed or suspected Covid-19. Not sure of the confirmed cases breakdown
No change in intensive care numbers from yesterday
11 deaths registered since yesterday

Weekly NRS data;

131 deaths have occurred in the week up to 31st May where Coronavirus was mentioned on the death certificate. This is nearly 100 less than the week before and is the fifth week in a row where the numbers have fallen and it's 80% lower than the peak which happened in the week between 19th and 26th April.

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Originally Posted by PaulSmith

I still think that the virus should be controlled tightly at places where the highest risk of death is and that clusters should be identified and tackled as and when they happen.

I’m also very unsure why you are really interested in a football fans view of how to control a virus.. I’d much rather critique what the experts are saying.

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Isn't that what you're doing though? You've referenced refraining from dragging up posts from people previously (presumably to illustrate that you were right and they were wrong), so if you're so interested in football fans' views to the point where you'd consider casting them up again, why not yours?

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

https://i.ibb.co/tHbjSQj/covid.png

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Thanks. It'll be interesting to see how this develops as more and more nations move out of full lockdown.

The Independent is especially scathing of the Swedish approach:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9539206.html

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Originally Posted by matty_f

Isn't that what you're doing though? You've referenced refraining from dragging up posts from people previously (presumably to illustrate that you were right and they were wrong), so if you're so interested in football fans' views to the point where you'd consider casting them up again, why not yours?

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I’ve tried to de-escalate some of the posts from last night and make it non personal, why start it all over again?

It was a childish thing for me to cast up previous posts, I got caught up in the moment simply because some of the comments made towards my opinion were OTT. I should’ve been the better person.

If someone wants to quote some of my previous threads and take great pleasure in proving me wrong then crack on, I really don’t take any offence in this virtual world of made up names.

It is what it is.

All Welsh schools to re-open this month:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52895374

I'm guessing their term-time is similar to England's (ie summer holidays don't start until late July) as opposed to the Scottish system where schools would normally be breaking up for the holidays in a couple of weeks.

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Originally Posted by G B Young

All Welsh schools to re-open this month:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52895374

I'm guessing their term-time is similar to England's (ie summer holidays don't start until late July) as opposed to the Scottish system where schools would normally be breaking up for the holidays in a couple of weeks.

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The Welsh schools go on their summer break on the 3rd week of July so they still have about another 6 weeks left.

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

Daily Scottish update;

33 new cases since yesterday
Decrease of 51 in hospital with either confirmed or suspected Covid-19. Not sure of the confirmed cases breakdown
No change in intensive care numbers from yesterday
11 deaths registered since yesterday

Weekly NRS data;

131 deaths have occurred in the week up to 31st May where Coronavirus was mentioned on the death certificate. This is nearly 100 less than the week before and is the fifth week in a row where the numbers have fallen and it's 80% lower than the peak which happened in the week between 19th and 26th April.

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One grim stat from today is that care home deaths now make up a larger number than those that died in hospital.

The decision to move 1,000 people from hospital to care homes at the start of the crisis looks to have been a death sentence for some.

Thankfully the death rate appears to be cratering across the board now with excess deaths ‘only’ at about 10% last week.

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Originally Posted by RyeSloan

I’ve seen you quote the 2,000% increase in pneumonia deaths a few times but Ive not seen that quoted anywhere in the excess deaths analysis that I’ve read...do you have a link / source for that number?

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Not sure where I saw it may have been a reporters tweet or article. Some figures outlined here indicating significant increase in flu pneumonia related deaths.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52361519

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

Not sure where I saw it may have been a reporters tweet or article. Some figures outlined here indicating significant increase in flu pneumonia related deaths.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52361519

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Thanks. The article itself wasn’t much use but I did see their graph with the flu deaths number had a source.

So I checked that source (ONS death registrations) and can see that they publish a weekly number for ‘deaths where the underlying cause was a respiratory illness’ that is the number that the BBC are quoting as flu deaths.

I then checked the numbers for 2019 for the same period.

And I can now report that the 2,000% figure is bollox (not that such a large increase was remotely possible anyway) and actually the numbers of said type of death in 2020 are almost directly comparable to those in 2019.

In other words there has been no reported spike in flu deaths at all and certainly not the oft quoted 2,000%.

Not the best use of my time I’m happy to admit but I’ll also admit your persistent use of that unqualified stat was beginning to bug me (for no reason at all apart from I’m a bit of a pedant I think! [emoji2957])

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Originally Posted by RyeSloan

One grim stat from today is that care home deaths now make up a larger number than those that died in hospital.

The decision to move 1,000 people from hospital to care homes at the start of the crisis looks to have been a death sentence for some.

Thankfully the death rate appears to be cratering across the board now with excess deaths ‘only’ at about 10% last week.

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It does.

However, I'm not sure they shouldn't have been moved. I am sure that they shouldn't have been moved to care homes where every member of staff wasn't given adequate PPE and that they should all have been isolated within the care home for 14 days quarantine.

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Originally Posted by RyeSloan

One grim stat from today is that care home deaths now make up a larger number than those that died in hospital.

The decision to move 1,000 people from hospital to care homes at the start of the crisis looks to have been a death sentence for some.

Thankfully the death rate appears to be cratering across the board now with excess deaths ‘only’ at about 10% last week.

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I heard a stat on the news last night than 1 out of 10 people in every care home in England has died of it

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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

It does.

However, I'm not sure they shouldn't have been moved. I am sure that they shouldn't have been moved to care homes where every member of staff wasn't given adequate PPE and that they should all have been isolated within the care home for 14 days quarantine.

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Absolutely agree with that.

Highest UK daily death toll in a fortnight today.

It’ll be interesting to see what happens over the next couple of weeks given the recent lifting of restrictions. Thousands of folk gathering in London parks for protests today won’t be helping I wouldn’t imagine!

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

Highest UK daily death toll in a fortnight today.

It’ll be interesting to see what happens over the next couple of weeks given the recent lifting of restrictions. Thousands of folk gathering in London parks for protests today won’t be helping I wouldn’t imagine!

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When was be day?

Sure its about now we should be seeing the effects of that

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Large jump today in UK deaths today - 359.

Really worrying watching the scenes in London just now in terms of the effect it will have on the numbers over the next few weeks.

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Originally Posted by Callum_62

When was be day?

Sure its about now we should be seeing the effects of that

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Nearly 4 weeks ago.

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Originally Posted by RyeSloan

Thanks. The article itself wasn’t much use but I did see their graph with the flu deaths number had a source.

So I checked that source (ONS death registrations) and can see that they publish a weekly number for ‘deaths where the underlying cause was a respiratory illness’ that is the number that the BBC are quoting as flu deaths.

I then checked the numbers for 2019 for the same period.

And I can now report that the 2,000% figure is bollox (not that such a large increase was remotely possible anyway) and actually the numbers of said type of death in 2020 are almost directly comparable to those in 2019.

In other words there has been no reported spike in flu deaths at all and certainly not the oft quoted 2,000%.

Not the best use of my time I’m happy to admit but I’ll also admit your persistent use of that unqualified stat was beginning to bug me (for no reason at all apart from I’m a bit of a pedant I think! [emoji2957])

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Cool response apologies for not remembering where it came from but definitely wouldn't have just repeated if not from source semi reliable. Here's another article outlining large increases in pneumonia deaths in US.

https://eu.courier-journal.com/story...ly/5245237002/

Apparently Sweden has now overtaken France in the number of Covid-19 deaths (per-capita).

I don't think it reflects well on their decision not to enforce a lockdown of some kind.

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

Large jump today in UK deaths today - 359.

Really worrying watching the scenes in London just now in terms of the effect it will have on the numbers over the next few weeks.

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Big number of backdated again. Of the 179 NHS deaths only 20 were in the last 24 hours. 76 were from more than 1 week ago with quite a long tail and 28 going as far back as March. 149 public health England deaths which also seem to be heavy with catch up registrations.

Positive case % well down from start of May. 1.4% v 4%.

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Originally Posted by PaulSmith

I’ve tried to de-escalate some of the posts from last night and make it non personal, why start it all over again?

It was a childish thing for me to cast up previous posts, I got caught up in the moment simply because some of the comments made towards my opinion were OTT. I should’ve been the better person.

If someone wants to quote some of my previous threads and take great pleasure in proving me wrong then crack on, I really don’t take any offence in this virtual world of made up names.

It is what it is.

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Fair play chief.

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

Cool response apologies for not remembering where it came from but definitely wouldn't have just repeated if not from source semi reliable. Here's another article outlining large increases in pneumonia deaths in US.

https://eu.courier-journal.com/story...ly/5245237002/

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Aha I hope you are not subliminally suggesting I go off and fact check the US numbers as well :-)

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Originally Posted by Keith_M

Apparently Sweden has now overtaken France in the number of Covid-19 deaths (per-capita).

I don't think it reflects well on their decision not to enforce a lockdown of some kind.

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Yeah they have, they're now 7th in that list behind San Marino, Belgium, Andorra, UK, Spain and Italy (in that order).

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Originally Posted by RyeSloan

One grim stat from today is that care home deaths now make up a larger number than those that died in hospital.

The decision to move 1,000 people from hospital to care homes at the start of the crisis looks to have been a death sentence for some.

Thankfully the death rate appears to be cratering across the board now with excess deaths ‘only’ at about 10% last week.

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When this is over, there needs to be an enquiry into decisions like this. The way this was handled was quite obviously wrong and has lead to the deaths of thousands.


If the killing of black people at the hands of the police in the US justifies mass outrage (which it obviously does), then surely the needless deaths of literally thousands of people by killed by the state and the health service in this country should also be a source of outrage, and people need to be brought to justice for those deaths.

I still can't believe as well that the UK is finally introducing quarantine for travellers to the UK in June.... around four months too late!

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Originally Posted by Mon Dieu4

I heard a stat on the news last night than 1 out of 10 people in every care home in England has died of it

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Jesus Christ!

I personally know of two care homes deaths in England. One of the girls working for me lost her Gran. And an ex colleague of mine lost his Dad. Both in English care homes.

J

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Originally Posted by Keith_M

When this is over, there needs to be an enquiry into decisions like this. The way this was handled was quite obviously wrong and has lead to the deaths of thousands.


If the killing of black people at the hands of the police in the US justifies mass outrage (which it obviously does), then surely the needless deaths of literally thousands of people by killed by the state and the health service in this country should also be a source of outrage, and people need to be brought to justice for those deaths.

I still can't believe as well that the UK is finally introducing quarantine for travellers to the UK in June.... around four months too late!

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Pretty sure Bojo has delegated the blame to individual clinicians and doctors who sent them back to care homes.

(Never mind that they were sent back to keep the beds ready for young fit people due to lack of ICU beds).

J

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Originally Posted by RyeSloan

Aha I hope you are not subliminally suggesting I go off and fact check the US numbers as well :-)

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:greengrin

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Originally Posted by Hibby Bairn

Big number of backdated again. Of the 179 NHS deaths only 20 were in the last 24 hours. 76 were from more than 1 week ago with quite a long tail and 28 going as far back as March. 149 public health England deaths which also seem to be heavy with catch up registrations.

Positive case % well down from start of May. 1.4% v 4%.

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Number of cases is still around 6 times higher than Spain and Italy. They're both in the low hundreds now whereas the UK is just below 2000.

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

Number of cases is still around 6 times higher than Spain and Italy. They're both in the low hundreds now whereas the UK is just below 2000.

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Both Spain and Italy remain without official national figures for cases and deaths in care homes or outwith hospitals as far as I'm aware. Very tricky therefore to come up with accurate comparisons.

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Originally Posted by Keith_M

Apparently Sweden has now overtaken France in the number of Covid-19 deaths (per-capita).

I don't think it reflects well on their decision not to enforce a lockdown of some kind.

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I mentioned this earlier. Sweden actually had the highest per capita death rate in the world for the week leading up to 2nd June. They've now acknowledged they might have got things wrong:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52903717

I guess we'll get a better idea about their strategy if they continue to have the world's highest per capita rate over the next few weeks and months and countries which went into lockdown see an ongoing decline in their per capita rate.