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Originally Posted by Scouse Hibee

There will be no way of enforcing that and we will all still look after our elderly relatives as we see fit.

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I agree with that. Hope the weather gets better, and she can at least sit in her garden
Looks like me and anyone else with elderly relatives, will be doing a lot of shopping for them

Cautious optimism from South Korea: their Health Minister has just been on the Andrew Marr show discussing the downward trend on cases there. The last 3 days have now seen more people recovering than new cases, and she thinks they're over the worst. She was a very impressive, cool individual and stressed the need for governments to remain calm and prevent panic.

Interestingly, they didn't go into 'lockdown' but have focused on mass testing (on a scale not seen anywhere else), keeping the population fully informed, and using their IT infrastructure.

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Originally Posted by SideBurns

Cautious optimism from South Korea: their Health Minister has just been on the Andrew Marr show discussing the downward trend on cases there. The last 3 days have now seen more people recovering than new cases, and she thinks they're over the worst. She was a very impressive, cool individual and stressed the need for governments to remain calm and prevent panic.

Interestingly, they didn't go into 'lockdown' but have focused on mass testing (on a scale not seen anywhere else), keeping the population fully informed, and using their IT infrastructure.

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That’s reassuring
When did they get their 1st cases diagnosed

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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

Reading that within weeks, over 70’s will have to possibly self isolate
Does that mean that my elderly mum, who I take out twice a week, I won’t be able to visit her?

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They'll only be able to issue guidance on that, there's no way they can enforce such measures. There's not enough police for a start.

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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

That’s reassuring
When did they get their 1st cases diagnosed

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20th January.

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

20th January.

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That’s very good news

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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

That’s reassuring
When did they get their 1st cases diagnosed

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Think she said China shared the genetic data in mid-January which enabled their pharmaceutical companies to develop the testing equipment but can't recall if that was when they saw the first case. However, she said their situation spiked at the end of February with 700-odd new cases, so if she's right that they've started coming out the other side then that sounds a pretty quick turnaround.

Just saw SDG saying first case was 20th January.

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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

Reading that within weeks, over 70’s will have to possibly self isolate
Does that mean that my elderly mum, who I take out twice a week, I won’t be able to visit her?

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It’s such a crazy thing for them to suggest. My Grandparents are both in their 70’s and are fit, active and healthy. Self isolating for months will do their mental health no good at all.

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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

Reading that within weeks, over 70’s will have to possibly self isolate
Does that mean that my elderly mum, who I take out twice a week, I won’t be able to visit her?

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Advice will be for them not to go out at all and to keep contact with carers and relatives to the bare minimum. Personal care will need to go on of course. I look after my reasonably independent 85 yr old mother with respiratory and heart problems. I'll continue to shop weekly for her, keep visits brief and observe the 2m rule

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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

I agree with that. Hope the weather gets better, and she can at least sit in her garden
Looks like me and anyone else with elderly relatives, will be doing a lot of shopping for them

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They are saying that the elderly will get their shopping dropped off to them at the door. Aye right, my gran will be able to lift bags of messages to the kitchen. Ducking morons, she'll no even be able to bend down for the bags.
Then there's the worry of my parents, uncles and aunties. There not gonna sit there and watch as the family struggle, there all gonna want to help each other out if need be. All but one is over 60 and have a host of health problems between them.

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Originally Posted by SideBurns

Think she said China shared the genetic data in mid-January which enabled their pharmaceutical companies to develop the testing equipment but can't recall if that was when they saw the first case. However, she said their situation spiked at the end of February with 700-odd new cases, so if she's right that they've started coming out the other side then that sounds a pretty quick turnaround.

Just saw SDG saying first case was 20th January.

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They have less deaths per number of cases than both Spain and France.

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Originally Posted by SideBurns

Think she said China shared the genetic data in mid-January which enabled their pharmaceutical companies to develop the testing equipment but can't recall if that was when they saw the first case. However, she said their situation spiked at the end of February with 700-odd new cases, so if she's right that they've started coming out the other side then that sounds a pretty quick turnaround.

Just saw SDG saying first case was 20th January.

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Well I hope we work with them, to try and help us in the U.K.

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

They have less deaths per number of cases than both Spain and France.

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Given the mass testing they've done, possibly their statistics are more accurate than in other countries too (since we can assume there are plenty folk here and elsewhere who have it but remain undiagnosed)?

South Korea is a wonderful country and you would expect them to do better than most countries when it comes to beating this.

I have a mentor in my line of work and he regularly visits South Korea and brings back techniques from there. 2 cultural advantages I would say they would have there that would lead to improved results - a devotion to science/ evidence (and far less likely to have a waffling imbecile as PM overriding science with self-interest amongst other things) and better levels of self-discipline than we have here.

As a general rule, compliance with medical advice there and respect for clinicians is far superior than in the UK. In fairness though, that respect is earned.

It is likely that the advice received by their public will have been well thought out, and it is highly likely that it will have been obeyed. Frankly, here in the UK our politicians don't deserve respect so whether they are right or wrong adherence to their advice will be variable. As testing is expensive though and we already have an overstretched and grotesquely underfunded health service, we are not going to be able to carry out extensive testing a la South Korea.

I dearly hope we can listen and learn though, and it is very heartening to hear a good news story at a time like this.

Re visiting elderly relatives etc.

The best thing you can do if you look after elderly relatives is to be ruthlessly clinical about your chances of catching it yourself, take no risks whatsoever. Obviously you cannot manage that risk down to zero but by absolutely minimising it you are doing the very best you can. No "I feel fine so I'll just go to the pub", just don't go. Effectively self isolate yourself as much as you can. Consider how you travel to the relatives (consider how you travel full stop - should you be using public transport to go anywhere?). Wash hands upon arrival and wipe door handles.

And we can surely do without a wee kiss, cuddle or a shake of the hand for a while.

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Originally Posted by DH1875

They are saying that the elderly will get their shopping dropped off to them at the door. Aye right, my gran will be able to lift bags of messages to the kitchen. Ducking morons, she'll no even be able to bend down for the bags.
Then there's the worry of my parents, uncles and aunties. There not gonna sit there and watch as the family struggle, there all gonna want to help each other out if need be. All but one is over 60 and have a host of health problems between them.

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Is there someone who could move in with her for a wee while? Maybe someone else who is isolating? Would be good company and good to keep an eye on her properly.

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Originally Posted by hibee_girl

It’s such a crazy thing for them to suggest. My Grandparents are both in their 70’s and are fit, active and healthy. Self isolating for months will do their mental health no good at all.

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my Father in law is 72 does a park run every week and snowboards!

ive been wondering if I’ve already had it, possibly to early but I was floored in December with the flu and a dry cough.

im an occasional Uber driver and had many Chinese tourists and students in the car.

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Originally Posted by J.S

Is there someone who could move in with her for a wee while? Maybe someone else who is isolating? Would be good company and good to keep an eye on her properly.

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The point of self isolation is that you shouldn't be in the same room as anyone else.

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

Sky News reporting that the USA will be extending the ban on flights to include the UK and Ireland.

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I’m meant to be going to Vegas start of May which doesn’t feel likely now. Due to pay for it all in April so going to wait until closer the time and hopefully I’ll be able to move it to the end of the year.

They’ve not long ago this morning had a Scottish politician on the BBC who is involved on the health side of things (sorry, I didn’t get her name) who seemed to suggest that we will be doing a lot more testing for it going forward.

Maybe means we’re moving more towards what South Korea have done?

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Originally Posted by Barney McGrew

They’ve not long ago this morning had a Scottish politician on the BBC who is involved on the health side of things (sorry, I didn’t get her name) who seemed to suggest that we will be doing a lot more testing for it going forward.

Maybe means we’re moving more towards what South Korea have done?

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Coronavirus: Scottish Covid-19 testing expanded to communities https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-51895936

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Originally Posted by hibee_girl

It’s such a crazy thing for them to suggest. My Grandparents are both in their 70’s and are fit, active and healthy. Self isolating for months will do their mental health no good at all.

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The alternative is worse, no?

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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

Coronavirus: Scottish Covid-19 testing expanded to communities https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-51895936

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They should expand testing to as many people as possible. Not just for the purposes of helping slow it down but also because if people know they have had it and are now immune and can no longer pass it on then they could be very helpful to their families and the community in general.


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

They should expand testing to as many people as possible. Not just for the purposes of helping slow it down but also because if people know they have had it and are now immune and can no longer pass it on then they could be very helpful to their families and the community in general.


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Has it been confirmed that you're immune after having recovered from it?

If so, that's a great shout. :agree:

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Originally Posted by patch1875

my Father in law is 72 does a park run every week and snowboards!

ive been wondering if I’ve already had it, possibly to early but I was floored in December with the flu and a dry cough.

im an occasional Uber driver and had many Chinese tourists and students in the car.

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I was speaking to someone yesterday who lives and works in London and he swears he had it in January.

Thanks to Mrs Colr and Amazon, I know have 200 Italian toilet rolls!!

I was in Lidl and then Morrisons this morning and it's amazing how people still have their limits even when it comes to panic buying.

Lidl were completely out of Cushelle and their own regular brand toilet roll but they had mountains of their 'simply' range single ply stuff. On the flip side in Morrisons all the Carex and similar hand soap at about £1 a pop was gone but there was plenty of the Baylis & Harding at £3.50 and some pretentious ***** made with sea water at £5.

It seems even in a crisis people still have their limits. I got my rolls, sausage and ketchup.

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

The point of self isolation is that you shouldn't be in the same room as anyone else.

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Thats if you have symptoms. Im.suggesting someone moves in with their elderly relative without symptoms. Surely if you already live with your gran shes not gonna have to stay in her room?

I am classed as vulnerable, i tick many boxes in the underlying health condition catergory so am isolating as much as i can. I am more than capable of carrying message bags and putting them away and doing the cleaning etc. If my brother didnt already live with my mum id consider moving there now while we are both well and isolating together rather than her being confined alone for months.

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

The point of self isolation is that you shouldn't be in the same room as anyone else.

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Not if you isolate all at same time.

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Originally Posted by Smartie

I was speaking to someone yesterday who lives and works in London and he swears he had it in January.

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There were a few people at work who seemed to have the symptoms of this (more so than a normal cold / flu) in January. Quite possible given China suppressed information about this happening to begin with).