Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

Um.... glad to be of service.... I think.... :wink:

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It was a cold blooded financial assassins words, whispered to The Huns as the final bullet leaves the chamber!





"Courage, mon brave.

If they are to be killed off, it has to be done the right way. Process and procedures p us all off, but they have to be gone through".... courtesy of CWG:cb

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

I dont understand CWG, a 14 day notice period for what? I thought there is no rangers anymore, and the new rangers do not fill ANY of the criteria any new club needs to apply to any of the Scottish leagues?

There's also no rule for any new club to apply to join the top league, any new club can apply to join, but must apply to join at the bottom?????

Surely thats enough to apply the rules now, and Dundee should be preparing for life in the SPL today?

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Just on this could the likes of Spartans who have applied before for an SFL Place not apply for any available space ?

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Originally Posted by cocopops1875

Just on this could the likes of Spartans who have applied before for an SFL Place not apply for any available space ?

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I'd imagine they could, there is a space right now but for some reason it appears the authorities are completely ignoring their own rules?

They should be inviting applications for a space in the 3rd division, and applying the laws already in place regarding teams fitting the application criteria.

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

I'd imagine they could, there is a space right now but for some reason it appears the authorities are completely ignoring their own rules?

They should be inviting applications for a space in the 3rd division, and applying the laws already in place regarding teams fitting the application criteria.

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What rules you on about? There is currently no space. SFL hasn't got a vacancy until Dundee get an invite from SPL.

At the moment old Rangers exist with an SPL share.

I'm not aware of any rules around their share being taken off them in current circumstances. The SPL is also aware there will be a request for a transfer of that share.

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Originally Posted by Andy74

What rules you on about? There is currently no space. SFL hasn't got a vacancy until Dundee get an invite from SPL.

At the moment old Rangers exist with an SPL share.

I'm not aware of any rules around their share being taken off them in current circumstances. The SPL is also aware there will be a request for a transfer of that share.

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Rangers are dead, The Rangers are applying to enter the SPL, they fit NONE of the criteria to even apply to the SFL. We are one team short, no matter how you dress it up.

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

Rangers are dead, The Rangers are applying to enter the SPL, they fit NONE of the criteria to even apply to the SFL. We are one team short, no matter how you dress it up.

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Technically rangers are not dead yet. They are still a company with an SPL share.

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Originally Posted by bernz

Technically rangers are not dead yet. They are still a company with an SPL share.

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But with no ground and no players.

That must be against the rules?

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

Rangers are dead, The Rangers are applying to enter the SPL, they fit NONE of the criteria to even apply to the SFL. We are one team short, no matter how you dress it up.

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Well almost dead, the OldCo hasnt quite given up the ghost and it's them that hold the licence at the minute that they are proposing to transfer to another i.e SevCo.

CWG is absolutely right, they have to be killed off within the rules so they can have no recourse. Frustrating but the correct way to do it. That things seem to be happening this way actually fills me with confidence we are really going to see justice done here :agree:

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Originally Posted by johnbc70

Kenny Shiels should be embarrassed with his comments about the Rangers situation being like a death in the family. I am sure plenty reading that who may have lost a loved one recently would wholeheartedly disagree that the situation and feelings you have will be the same. He should apologise for his insensitive remarks.

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I agree entirely but I couldn't help remembering a post on FF a couple of weeks ago. - "I lost both my mum and dad a few months ago but what is happening to my club puts that in the shade.". Hunbelievable!!!

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Originally Posted by jgl07

But with no ground and no players.

That must be against the rules?

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Have these been 100% confirmed?

If, and hopefully when, the New Huns are refused the SPL share will the meeting approve the share transfer to A N other like Dundee or will that require a further meeting with a further 14 days notice ?

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Originally Posted by bernz

Have these been 100% confirmed?

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I would have thought that a ground was essential. Also the ground must have at least 6,000 seats.

Falkirk got knocked back from promotion or promotion play-offs more than once because Brockville was deemed inadequate.

Ross County had to make groundshare provisions with Inverness because their own upgrades were not completed by the March deadline.

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Originally Posted by jgl07

But with no ground and no players.

That must be against the rules?

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... and add some mud in terms of who owns the stadium, and who has the players' contracts. :stirrer:

Lovely.

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

Rangers are dead, The Rangers are applying to enter the SPL, they fit NONE of the criteria to even apply to the SFL. We are one team short, no matter how you dress it up.

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All in good time. Old Rangers are still here with a share.

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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

... and add some mud in terms of who owns the stadium, and who has the players' contracts. :stirrer:

Lovely.

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I really don't think that rules and contracts etc. will matter at the conclusion of all this.

I believe that the major decisions will be taken away from the clubs - maybe even the SFA/SPL. They - the Hun - are too big, there are too many of them and that influence will be brought to bear in some form or other - I don't know what exactly - in sticking them straight back into the SPL.

And I really do believe that the fans will vote with their feet and that the SPL will consist mainly of part-time clubs before long.

Yes, I admit this is a defeatist view, but the whole country is ingrained with this Rangers/Celtic - Catholic/Protestant cancer. The real solution would be to see that Rangers cease to exist completely, then we would be on the road to recovery, Sadly that is not going to happen.

This goes way beyond football IMHO.


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There seems to be an assumption that Dundee would fill Team 12s shoes. I presume they would be invited and can therefore decide not to take up the offer? Maybe they (and the SFL2 & 3 teams in a similar position) don't want to rush into a promotion they may not be ready for and therefore be prime relegation candidates.

It might be a double whammy for the 3 div team that is promoted - miss out on TRFC visits boosting their coffers and pass them by should they be relegated and TRFC promoted next season.

I wonder if Dundee have sold any season tickets yet that would presumably be a lot cheaper than if they knew they were in the SPL?

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Originally Posted by Caversham Green

It crossed my mind that one way Hector could go after the employees is if he could show that the EBT arrangement was contrived with the employees' full knowledge - i.e. they knew it was illegal but went ahead with it anyway. Maybe Dodds, Ogilvie and Boumsong have been advised to go public with an 'I was duped' stance.

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Yup indeed - also very quick to say 'iwas not sure didn't want to sign' my advisers said it was ok....... That seemed a bit rehearsed to me....- hope these advisors have good prof indemnity insurance :)

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Originally Posted by Newry Hibs

There seems to be an assumption that Dundee would fill Team 12s shoes. I presume they would be invited and can therefore decide not to take up the offer? Maybe they (and the SFL2 & 3 teams in a similar position) don't want to rush into a promotion they may not be ready for and therefore be prime relegation candidates.

It might be a double whammy for the 3 div team that is promoted - miss out on TRFC visits boosting their coffers and pass them by should they be relegated and TRFC promoted next season.

I wonder if Dundee have sold any season tickets yet that would presumably be a lot cheaper than if they knew they were in the SPL?

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I don't see why there is this assumption that the place will go to Dundee. Natural justice dictates that it should go to Dunfermline, the team relegated during the season that another club cheated its way to 2nd spot. I'm sure John Yorkston must be making representations to this effect and I hope that our Rod supports him.

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Originally Posted by Seveno

I don't see why there is this assumption that the place will go to Dundee. Natural justice dictates that it should go to Dunfermline, the team relegated during the season that another club cheated its way to 2nd spot. I'm sure John Yorkston must be making representations to this effect and I hope that our Rod supports him.

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Originally Posted by jgl07

I would have thought that a ground was essential. Also the ground must have at least 6,000 seats.

Falkirk got knocked back from promotion or promotion play-offs more than once because Brockville was deemed inadequate.

Ross County had to make groundshare provisions with Inverness because their own upgrades were not completed by the March deadline.

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I meant has it been 100% confirmed that they no longer own the stadium or the players contracts?

Certainly seems a grey area to me.

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Originally Posted by Seveno

I don't see why there is this assumption that the place will go to Dundee. Natural justice dictates that it should go to Dunfermline, the team relegated during the season that another club cheated its way to 2nd spot. I'm sure John Yorkston must be making representations to this effect and I hope that our Rod supports him.

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Due to it already being in the SPL rules. If it happens after a team already relegated then they stay down and. Next team in SFL gets the invite.

Why would it be justice to get them back in? They've shown they weren't good enough to stay in.

What a total mess, only in Scotland.

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Originally Posted by johnbc70

What a total mess, only in Scotland.

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Yes.

And lets remember that Spartans were kicked out of the Scottish Cup for missing a signature on a registration form........,


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Originally Posted by Seveno

I don't see why there is this assumption that the place will go to Dundee. Natural justice dictates that it should go to Dunfermline, the team relegated during the season that another club cheated its way to 2nd spot. I'm sure John Yorkston must be making representations to this effect and I hope that our Rod supports him.

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My point was that whichever club is invited - could they decline it for the reasons outlined, what then? Offer the 3rd, 4th, 5th place until one accepts?

I wonder how much an SFL3 team could make with 2 TRFC visits? You hear about this sort of thing in cups where it makes a whole season for them. Would a team risk missing out by 'volunteering' to be promoted.

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Originally Posted by bernz

I meant has it been 100% confirmed that they no longer own the stadium or the players contracts?

Certainly seems a grey area to me.

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The jury is still out on the stadium etc. Popular culture has it that they were sold on. I'm not popular, though :greengrin

On the players, the default position is that they are not yet transferred. They can be, but don't have to be if the player doesn't want. Naturally, the players will be waiting to see the outcomes of the various decisions.

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Originally Posted by johnrebus

I really don't think that rules and contracts etc. will matter at the conclusion of all this.

I believe that the major decisions will be taken away from the clubs - maybe even the SFA/SPL. They - the Hun - are too big, there are too many of them and that influence will be brought to bear in some form or other - I don't know what exactly - in sticking them straight back into the SPL.

And I really do believe that the fans will vote with their feet and that the SPL will consist mainly of part-time clubs before long.

Yes, I admit this is a defeatist view, but the whole country is ingrained with this Rangers/Celtic - Catholic/Protestant cancer. The real solution would be to see that Rangers cease to exist completely, then we would be on the road to recovery, Sadly that is not going to happen.

This goes way beyond football IMHO.


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Nah :no way:

If not certain already Kilmarnock's opening fixture against club 12 will guarantee that Killie will vote yes to a newco. That's most of their August transfer budget right there, in fact wouldn't surprise me if they put word out they can have 3 stands.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by johnrebus

Yes.

And lets remember that Spartans were kicked out of the Scottish Cup for missing a signature on a registration form........,


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It was actually a missing date that Spartans got chucked out for - the document had to be dated in two places and they had only dated it once.

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Originally Posted by Caversham Green

It was actually a missing date that Spartans got chucked out for - the document had to be dated in two places and they had only dated it once.

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I stand corrected.


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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod

The jury is still out on the stadium etc. Popular culture has it that they were sold on. I'm not popular, though :greengrin

On the players, the default position is that they are not yet transferred. They can be, but don't have to be if the player doesn't want. Naturally, the players will be waiting to see the outcomes of the various decisions.

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Is this not just the media making assumptions?

Has anything official been seen/published regarding the stadium? Do property sales not need to be registered somewhere?