The generic Hearts thread

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Originally Posted by jacomo

Budge promised her plan ‘by Friday’ (today), so latest estimate is a week from next Tuesday.

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5 minutes to put together the plan and 3 days to write her statement for their site.

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Originally Posted by Aldo

Indeed it’s not but Karma can be a real bitch.

I think if she had just shut her pus and not spouted threats and all her crap some teams may have had sympathy for her. I think any goodwill has gone.

They are relegated plain and simple and I really don’t think anything she puts on the table will be approved. As I’ve said before I cannot see St Mirren, Accies, Utd, Ross County, Well, ourselves or Killie going for less money so it’s dead in the water. Hopefully very early decision so we can see what their legal bid will be.

O as someone else posted earlier. This docusoap is going to be priceless.


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With you there Aldo, so the SPFL now has to brace itself for the monumental legal action coming their way funded by the Duncans of Calimero????

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Originally Posted by Bostonhibby

Maybe they just read that bellends post on Kickback where he said close the season down immediately after they beat St Mirren so relegating them.

Karma.

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Originally Posted by Waxy

They said so.

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As said above, Fitzpatrick came out through the week and stressed that it was his personal opinion there shouldn’t be reconstruction but his board are open to it.

Not really St Mirren saying no is it?

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Originally Posted by Heckys Wheel

As said above, Fitzpatrick came out through the week and stressed that it was his personal opinion there shouldn’t be reconstruction but his board are open to it.

Not really St Mirren saying no is it?

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Well maybe it’s not St Mirren saying no.
It’s pretty far from them saying yes though.
Do you really think St Mirren will say yes we want reconstruction to something that makes alot less sense?

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Originally Posted by jacomo

Boom.

The great thing about Budge is that she is never quite sure what she is saying. She has all but admitted that Hearts should be treated as a special case, and it is obvious to all that she wouldn’t give a second thought to reconstruction if Hearts hadn’t finished in last place.

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Exactly She has now stoked up so much resentment in some Quarters by this nonsense they are a Special Case that it has no chance of getting voted through
So just get a date and tell her that’s the Final discussion about it and she needs to abide by it
If she then goes to Court do be it
But we can’t be held to Ransom and Bullied by one Club
The more she is allowed to speak to people and canvass views the more she will then say she needs more time and use others to further her own cause
She Needs Shut Down as soon as so we can get on with the important planning around when and his leagues can restart
We now have the the Political Blue print of how we move out of Lockdown
Now we need one for Football


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Not seen anything on the new reconstruction offer / plan for a few days now. A hearts friend says they have now got a QC on board i wonder if they have realised its a wast of time and jumped to the last resort Legal. Need to check out keekback see what they are saying.

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Originally Posted by bingo70

The English seem to be a bit behind us having the same arguments as we did weeks ago.

Heard a few pundits say how unfair it is to relegate teams but I’ve not heard one give a realistic alternative option, when they are pushed they just come back reiterating that it doesn’t seem fair to them.

There isn’t any fairer alternative solution, it’s as simple as that.

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Had a twitter "discussion" with a The Rangers fan who continually said that it was unfair to relegate Hearts. However he could not come up with a decent alternative. I asked him repeatedly!

He could not see how clubs would be disadvantaged be reconstruction. I tried to educate him but to no avail.

At least he did not mention null and void. That ship has sailed.

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Originally Posted by Waxy

Well maybe it’s not St Mirren saying no.
It’s pretty far from them saying yes though.
Do you really think St Mirren will say yes we want reconstruction to something that makes alot less sense?

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I’d be very surprised if they say yes especially if Budge proposes 3/4 teams going fiends the following year. No disrespect to St Mirren but they would be right in about that mix if they voted yes.


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Originally Posted by Ronniekirk

Exactly She has now stoked up so much resentment in some Quarters by this nonsense they are a Special Case that it has no chance of getting voted through
So just get a date and tell her that’s the Final discussion about it and she needs to abide by it
If she then goes to Court do be it
But we can’t be held to Ransom and Bullied by one Club
The more she is allowed to speak to people and canvass views the more she will then say she needs more time and use others to further her own cause
She Needs Shut Down as soon as so we can get on with the important planning around when and his leagues can restart
We now have the the Political Blue print of how we move out of Lockdown
Now we need one for Football


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Budge's biggest issue is that she has gone hard way too early on so many things.

Threatened legal action before any decision was made on the leagues.

Threatened dismissal if the players didn't accept wage cuts as soon as football was suspended.

You only react like this if you are under pressure. In this case probably financial.

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Originally Posted by Aldo

I’d be very surprised if they say yes especially if Budge proposes 3/4 teams going fiends the following year. No disrespect to St Mirren but they would be right in about that mix if they voted yes.


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Youd have around eight or nine teams with a chance of going down.
I’d thought she had to have this out by today?
Nothing said about it anywhere in the news.strange.

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Originally Posted by Waxy

Youd have around eight or nine teams with a chance of going down.
I’d thought she had to have this out by today?
Nothing said about it anywhere in the news.strange.

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Indeed and not just that, some teams would have meaningless fixtures if a 6/8 spilt was proposed.

I thought that too. I’m sure we will hear about it soon enough and it will get leaked.

She will also be working on the acceptance no wait the legal route statement over the weekend too. It’s going to get very interested in the next few days or week!


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Originally Posted by Aldo

I’d be very surprised if they say yes especially if Budge proposes 3/4 teams going fiends the following year. No disrespect to St Mirren but they would be right in about that mix if they voted yes.


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Plus Sky would be delighted if we reconstruct the leagues. Would give them the perfect opportunity to re-negotiate the deal downwards plus adding in loads of caveats and clauses around Covid19 that could add further financial penalties onto the deal. No way will clubs allow that deal to be re-opened in the current climate.

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Originally Posted by Real Emerald

Plus Sky would be delighted if we reconstruct the leagues. Would give them the perfect opportunity to re-negotiate the deal downwards plus adding in loads of caveats and clauses around Covid19 that could add further financial penalties onto the deal. No way will clubs allow that deal to be re-opened in the current climate.

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Correct. Clubs know this and will not want to lose anymore money then they already are. However you have to understand that no club should be unfairly treated unless Budge and go can benefit.

Dead in the water before it starts and if for some strange reason clubs vote for reconstruction then there will be almighty backlash from a lot of their supporters.

Looking forward to seeing the proposal and what Budges plans are for saving them.


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Originally Posted by Aldo

Correct. Clubs know this and will not want to lose anymore money then they already are. However you have to understand that no club should be unfairly treated unless Budge and go can benefit.

Dead in the water before it starts and if for some strange reason clubs vote for reconstruction then there will be almighty backlash from a lot of their supporters.

Looking forward to seeing the proposal and what Budges plans are for saving them.


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Exactly. The furore if hertz are saved could be seismic. Their threats of legal action I’m sure will have peeved off a few who were still open minded. I would be gobsmacked if reconstruction happened but nothing should surprise us in Scottish football. Ron knows he can’t afford to vote for it and St Mirren are definite nos. The only outcome is increased parachute payments which I think was budges goal all along. How long does it take to come up with a different proposal.

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Originally Posted by Waxy

Youd have around eight or nine teams with a chance of going down.
I’d thought she had to have this out by today?
Nothing said about it anywhere in the news.strange.

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Very odd how quiet it’s been on the reconstruction front. Very odd indeed.

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Originally Posted by Waxy

Youd have around eight or nine teams with a chance of going down.
I’d thought she had to have this out by today?
Nothing said about it anywhere in the news.strange.

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Agreed i get the feeling that the route of reconstruction is dead in the water , they have one option left if that's the case which might explain the silence. Buying time as some have said!
If a legal eagle has been appointed i doubt it will take long to advise on what grounds if any they have to appeal the decision of their fellow member clubs.
Whatever Happens this not Hearts finest hour and making enemy's along the way is not clever.

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Originally Posted by eastmainsmsh

Budge is like a jack Russell humping away no matter how many times you tell it off it just won't listen

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I always thought she looked more like a ****zu.

Stendel in the papers saying he expects hertz to be in the championship next season. Obviously not with the programme. 🤣

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Originally Posted by Caversham Green

They're exactly the same with the supposed £3m cost of relegation. It's only £3m because Budge came up with that figure but hasn't once substantiated it.

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The £3m is calculated on the basis that having assembled a highly paid playing squad they had factored in winning the Premiership next season. Not only is it unfair that they have been expunged, we are also denying them the prize money for winning next seasons Premiership.

It's not fair.

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Meanwhile in other news, the EEN continue to advertise Hickey for Hearts.

"Hearts ace tracked by Celtic and Premier League duo - reports"

"His performances have alerted the attention of clubs across the UK and abroad with Hearts having held discussions with Manchester City regarding the player."


"Hickey has also seen himself linked with Bayern Munich, AC Milan and Celtic."

Says who?

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Originally Posted by mjhibby

Exactly. The furore if hertz are saved could be seismic. Their threats of legal action I’m sure will have peeved off a few who were still open minded. I would be gobsmacked if reconstruction happened but nothing should surprise us in Scottish football. Ron knows he can’t afford to vote for it and St Mirren are definite nos. The only outcome is increased parachute payments which I think was budges goal all along. How long does it take to come up with a different proposal.

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She’s bleated on about losing this and losing that because of this pandemic yet I don’t really hear many other clubs shouting from the rooftop about it. All are going about their business in a professional manner, as they should.

Budge is using C019 pandemic as a smokescreen for their current financial plight and they are using every conceivable trick in the book to get more money, and this includes threats of legal action and threats to players.

Panic mode set in right away and why doesn’t Benny out more money in.... simple because she knows she’s ****ed up and big time.

Hopefully this reconstruction pish can finally get put to bed and then the next saga of what legal action they will take.


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Still struggling to see a legal case. UEFA asked governing bodies to decide the league on sporting merit, SPFL had a vote and it was passed.

I did think they could have a case on loss of earnings but the more I think about that is dead in the water. All 42 clubs could argue the same case especially Hibs as we lost a place.

I do feel Partick might have a case as they played a game less and was impossible for them to be safe, however it goes back to same argument above that was voted on.

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Originally Posted by Peevemor

Meanwhile in other news, the EEN continue to advertise Hickey for Hearts.

"Hearts ace tracked by Celtic and Premier League duo - reports"

"His performances have alerted the attention of clubs across the UK and abroad with Hearts having held discussions with Manchester City regarding the player."


"Hickey has also seen himself linked with Bayern Munich, AC Milan and Celtic."

Says who?

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Hearts need money badly. These stories will be getting pushed hard over the next few weeks and months. Sevco will continue their two year long campaign to get someone to buy Morelos as well.


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Originally Posted by Peevemor

Meanwhile in other news, the EEN continue to advertise Hickey for Hearts.

"Hearts ace tracked by Celtic and Premier League duo - reports"

"His performances have alerted the attention of clubs across the UK and abroad with Hearts having held discussions with Manchester City regarding the player."


"Hickey has also seen himself linked with Bayern Munich, AC Milan and Celtic."

Says who?

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Their only sellable asset. Funnily enough I believe they are due Celtic money in respect of a development fee for Hickey, which they’ll obviously try and avoid.


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Originally Posted by Aldo

Their only sellable asset. Funnily enough I believe they are due Celtic money in respect of a development fee for Hickey, which they’ll obviously try and avoid.


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They will be due money from the sale of Hickey. Nof sure what the % agreed is.

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Originally Posted by CB_NO3

Still struggling to see a legal case. UEFA asked governing bodies to decide the league on sporting merit, SPFL had a vote and it was passed.

I did think they could have a case on loss of earnings but the more I think about that is dead in the water. All 42 clubs could argue the same case especially Hibs as we lost a place.

I do feel Partick might have a case as they played a game less and was impossible for them to be safe, however it goes back to same argument above that was voted on.

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I can’t see it either. All clubs voted, UEFA agreed and all clubs will lose something financially, more than others. Their issues are they have spent well outwith their means yet again and are now struggling.


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Originally Posted by 04Sauzee

They will be due money from the sale of Hickey. Nof sure what the % agreed is.

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Let’s hope it’s not and it goes to a tribunal and it screws Budge and co over big time.

The more I read about Budge and the more statements she pushes out spouting pish, the more I want them to suffer.


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Originally Posted by Tug Wilson

Had a twitter "discussion" with a The Rangers fan who continually said that it was unfair to relegate Hearts. However he could not come up with a decent alternative. I asked him repeatedly!

He could not see how clubs would be disadvantaged be reconstruction. I tried to educate him but to no avail.

At least he did not mention null and void. That ship has sailed.

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One alternative is equally or maybe even more unfair on Dundee United.

Another alternative is then unfair on the top 12 who subsidise Hearts

Or Hearts could say reconstruct and we will forego prize money and TV income regardless of where we finish, but at least let us benefit from bigger crowds. This would be the least worst option but does mean 3 teams then go down which isnt fair on them