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Bozo probably hasn't realised what the unionist bit in conservative and unionist party stands for.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
Sturgeon and Irish Nationalists generally just need to sit back and do nothing and see how far the shambling mess can propel their causes.
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Ursula von der Leyen is a trained gynecologist, I'm sure she recognised what Johnson is at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
Do you mean proctologist?Quote:
Originally Posted by stu in nottingham
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Sometimes you need to step back and really think about what’s being done to us here. I’d personally almost forgotten about Brexit, or at least allowed myself to not think about for a while. We’re staggering towards No Deal. There’s barely any outrage. Even Brexiteers I know regarded No Deal as a nightmare scenario, which would never happen because we would negotiate something at the last minute because the Germans and the French will always want to sell us their cars. But it’s all going to crap and there’s no outrage despite it all. What’s going on?
Covid.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
The tories are now trying to claim the reason the talks have gone so badly is because of the SNP, those that voted remain etc.
https://twitter.com/AndrewBowie_MP/s...49496662069250
Disaster is looming, so this lot of cretins are trying to pin the blame for the inevitable disaster on anybody but themselves.
I know. But you can still have a cold and notice when someone’s punching you in the face at the same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
It is genuinely astonishing. I think people are so mentally and physically Iin bunkers from the last 12 months that they just don’t have the will to confront the reality of a no deal Brexit just now. They’re going to do Christmas and then face this afterwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
And if it is no deal then I think there will be a serious political reckoning for the Conservatives down the line. You can spin Brexit all you like when it hasn’t actually happened yet, but trying to bluster and narrate you’re way away from people experiencing the reality of it once it’s impacting on both individuals and business is another ball game.
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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
Do you have some obsession with boiling frogs?
Just seemed a bit of a strange analogy, and I'm not sure I really understood it.
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I'm alright Jack.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
We're yet to actually leave the EU. We're yet to feel the negative impact of that, and to a certain extent we may be yet to experience the worst of Covid.
When people are losing their jobs, losing their homes, keeping jobs but finding that there wages don't go as far because everything is much more expensive - that's when they'll start getting angry. Right now it is still fairly comfortable for most people as they look forward to the opposite of all of these things happening.
I suspect we'll probably hear quite a lot more about the Barnett formula when that little lot properly starts to kick in for those who were sold the Brexit pup.
Agree with this, will ultimately come down to the blame game as there's not much chance that those who campaigned for it, and those who supported the version we've got by voting for it will step up and be accountable for the consequences.Quote:
Originally Posted by One Day Soon
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https://twitter.com/DavidGauke/statu...829101568?s=19
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Brexit hasn't happened yet though and and until it does and jobs are being lost as a direct result then there will be little outrage. All most people want at the moment is to see the mass vaccination completed and our basic freedoms restored.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
According to the Daily Express, that's what Brexit will do. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
I think your grossly underestimating the affect all the populist propaganda is having on a lot of folk especially in these difficult times. When life sucks, like it is at the moment where hundreds of thousands are worried about their jobs and paying bills and with covid on top of that then they will look for somebody to blame and the likes of Johnson and the right wing element of the media spout their bile then unfortunately as we saw with brexit, millions will believe their lies. We live in scary times where norms we took for granted are being swept asideQuote:
Originally Posted by One Day Soon
The depressing thing is that everyone on the remain side of the argument could see this coming a mile off yet people down south voted for this idiot in their millions!
We laugh at the USA when we have a vast amount of our country willing to argue that being part of this ****show down south is the better option.
I truly despair.
It's utterly pointless asking Johnson to make promises or give guarantees, as he has no qualms about lying because he knows there are no consequences for him doing so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
https://twitter.com/sturdyAlex/statu...979246593?s=19
Read it and weep.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frogQuote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...b0&oe=5FFA1894
i don't feel in the slightest insulted, speak for yourself mate, as for Millions ? yeah right
mon Merkel
Why would he need to speak to Merkel and not the group that's actually doing the negotiations?Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
The only shocking thing about this is how haphazard it appears
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Quite literally!Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
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Originally Posted by Callum_62
i think it was a cry for help because the EU representatives were most likely always laughing at him :greengrin personally i'd preferred if she did answer the call but only to say those three magic words.......... go **** yerself
You're spot on. One of my history teachers once said that you can divide people into 3 categories based on their ability to make use of the information available. Those at the top end of the scale will be able to make use of previous known information to ascertain what will happen, those in the middle can understand what will happen if it's explained to them and those at the bottom will actually have to make the experience themselves to understand what happened. Put simply, there's those who have a brief understanding of thermodynamics and pain who won't put their hand on a cooker hot plate because they're capable of putting 2 and 2 together, there are those who will not touch the hot plate because they've understood the warning and there are those who will only understand the consequences once they've actually touched it. I fear the silent and loud majority belong in group 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
I'm good with it, Bozo had an oven ready deal to pop in the oven months ago so what's the point in the phone call?Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
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Can understand her not taking the call. Why would she want to listen to him gloating?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
But the EU have more to lose as they sell more to the UK than we sell to them! When asked if 27 countries will be more able to absorb the impact it all went quiet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
If she took the call it would be seen as her undermining the EU negotiating team who represent the whole EU whereas Merkel only represents Germany. It looks like Boris has swallowed the whole Germany controls the EU guff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
You need to ask?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
Boris. Women.
Very transparently trying to subvert the negotiating procedure. Highly unlikely that accomplished politicians such as Merkel or Macron would fall for something so juvenile. Pretty certain they and the majority, if not all, European leaders have nil respect for Johnson in any case. Which is more than he deserves.
Juvenile? The UK? The UK that broadcast to the world that their world-beating medical regulation system led to the priority vaccination of someone called William Shakespeare?Quote:
Originally Posted by stu in nottingham
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Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
the reptilian Gove coming out with some crap as well
Gove "Northern Ireland have the best of both worlds with access to both the EU and British markets"
AYE..WE ALL DID YA DOBBER
Grade A Tory Clown
https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...00&oe=5FF7FCED
can imagine him trying to play the jester
Even though Wales voted for Brexit, I can see a no deal being an absolute gift to Plaid Cymru as well. I think the union is toast regardless of what happens to Brexit, but a no deal in the middle of a crippling pandemic? I can see the disintegration of the union going into turbo charge. It's just a shame it's going to take an absolute roaster of a PM and lots of grief for everyone to make it happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
He's the self-appointed, unofficial "Minister of The Union". Check the guys track record. The Union and sense of unity is done for.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
That was his only ploy, then, divide and conquer. You would think he might have noticed that in the last four years Brexitery predictions that the EU would fall apart when the UK decided to leave haven't materialised, and that the EU does sticking together rather well. Struggling to think of anything at all that's ever worked better when he's taken 'personal charge' of it. What a ******* embarrassment.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
I wouldn’t be too sure of that. Starmer has nearly four years to sort labour and make them electable. My main worry is that we go through three years of hell then things start to improve in 2024 as the election looms. Plus I doubt the clown Johnson will be there by then. As with the USA just the worst time to have juvenile and frankly out of their depth parties in charge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diclonius
Population growth.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
‘We’ll send in gunboats’ to protect our fishing fleet days the Mail and the Express.
It’s probably a good post No deal economic opportunity to be fair, intercepting refugee dinghys in the summer, attacking the French in the winter :aok:
The more I live here the more embarressed I am of this "country"
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It is farcical now.
Worst decision ever taken by a government, followed by the worst negotiation ever by a government. Now pandering to the xenophobic morons who follow them by threatening to use warships against neighbours fishermen. Scotland needs to GTF away from these dangerous ****wits asap.
Try living abroad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
The headline is a bit of smokescreen, they are not wanting to protect the fish. They will be killed by UK fishermen instead of Johnny foreigners.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
But then Il be mixing with foreigners?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
Actually I'm half foreigner now after gaining a 2nd citizenship for when I did live abroad
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You half foreigners, coming back home and stealing our jobs!!....Quote:
Originally Posted by Callum_62
I was surprised we had four boats left. That must be about the whole Royal Navy these daysQuote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-no...mpression=true
As well as NI business having an inbuilt advantage over the rest of the UK, NI residents will continue to have access to EHIC, Erasmus and freedom of movement.
It's hard to argue we're still one United Kingdom
I was looking at some stats the other day, the fishing industry is such an inconsequential part of the U.K. economy. Less than a billion £ per year. By value Peterhead dwarfs all the other ports. Places like Grimsby and the south coast and Cornwall really hardly contribute anything. Culturally it’s important, I get that. But the prominence it’s given in the negotiations is out of scale and probably reflects a nationalistic desire to hark back to the 70s and the ‘war’ with the Icelandic trawlers. These days English fishing ports mostly depend on short stay tourism to stay alive.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
COD, them were the days. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Indeed, it's the way to rise through the Nasty party, they expect it, but Bozo and the gang genuinely seem not to have the political nous to live with the people they are up against here, spouting and bullying doesn't seem to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
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Hopefully we won't have to send any aircraft carriers in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.exp...-Falklands/amp
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It was stated on a sea fishing forum that both lawnmowers and pet food are just 2 examples of industries that are financially worth more than fishing. Over 60% of English caught fish are either landed abroad or caught by foreign vessels. We need to be like Iceland and Norway in the respect of banning all trawlers from inshore fishing as we could then be like these countries in having a sustainable industry. Why our fishermen believe they have anything to gain is incredible as they've done nothing short of raping our seas and then selling their quotas to the foreigners they pretend to hate.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Not much chance of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
It's currently tied up in Portsmouth after another flood, this time damaging an engine room.
It was supposed to be over in the states, getting their planes tested, and won't be continuing sea trials until spring next year.
HMS Springaleak
I'm still desperately hoping for some kind of last minute breakthrough, or for Johnson to be blaming a stupid game of brinkmanship that he ultimately backs down from. But that seems incredibly unlikely.
If we get no deal this country is going to be in trouble. I started looking at migrating over the last few months but I'm now desperate to leave. The vaccine cheered me up but I'm really down again this morning. The sooner Scotland gets out the better.
‘Merkel wants Britain to Walk Over Broken Glass’- The Express.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Our media is no different to the Pyongyang Times really.
Ursula VDL is a trained gynecologist, I'm certain she's seen Boris for what he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Ed Miliband putting in a very impressive performance explaining the absurdity of this on Marr
"No deal is like worrying you might spring a leak in your roof in five years time so choosing to bulldoze your house now."
I've been impressed anytime I've seen him speak recently - especially his performance in the commons where he ripped to shreds the Internal Market Bill.
To do that properly would require a proctologist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
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It’s also displayed as if it came from Merkel, when it was a UK government quote....the only real link we see now is that both our Government, and some of our press, are similar to Germany in the 30s.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
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Keith Jackson clearly writing about Brexit these days...Boris in the Kevin Thomson role, Merkel as John CollinsQuote:
Originally Posted by bigwheel
Add to that, British fishing rights were sold to EU fishermen and if they no longer have access, they may want to take that up legally.Quote:
Originally Posted by HappyAsHellas
Only got themselves to blame in my view. Cornwall was an Objective 1 area and got lots of EU funding. Voted overwhelmingly for Brexit. Funding now stops. Obviously that wasn’t on the side of a bus eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
They’ve all got themselves to blameQuote:
Originally Posted by Scorrie
Talks now extended until later in the week
Some unknown Scottish Office minister says tariffs would "not necessarily be the end of the world".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...lands-55293187
It would have been a major surprise if they hadn't been extended. It means little, maybe a little extra time for Johnson to work out how to save face and protect his own future career.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
David James Duguid is a Scottish Conservative Party politicianQuote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
All you need to know about his motivations.
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This last bit could be key. A few extra days for him to continue to do nothing while his advisors do all the real work drawing up a Crap Deal to take the place of No Deal, it’s favourable to the EU but it gets spun as the opposite. He then presents it as a great triumph of Boris the Statesman and the media toe the line obediently on Thursday.Quote:
Originally Posted by stu in nottingham
I still can't believe we are doing this, the national equivalent of sticking needles in our eyes, but to leave the EU without a trade deal would be disastrous. However, I'm sure that's what many of the Brexit hardliners wanted all along, despite their claims it would be the 'easiest deal in history' etc. So many lies were told by the TWO Brexit campaigns (giving convenient deniability to both) and the Brexit supporting press, it's astounding the referendum was so close.
What a lot of Brexit hardliners want is to stop people who are not like them coming to the UK, by which I mean skin colour and language.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
Shocked. What with that and the 'blue' passports also going to France, it's almost like the UK government wants the UK to lose jobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peevemor
:agree: And anyone who believes that the main driving force behind Brexit wasn't xenophobia are kidding themselves. Not everyone who voted for Brexit is a xenophobe, but it was xenophobia that won the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
The government is suddenly instructing supermarkets to stockpile. But how, when UK warehouse capacity is more or less maxed out? I warned about this a few weeks ago, but couldn't get anyone in government or the media to take an interest.
https://t.co/riW1vBw2nj
Of course, yet the same people who are so opposed to free movement of labour are devoted to free movement of capital. At least the likes of Milton Friedman were consistent in their neoliberal dystopia by supporting free movement of both, yet the right wing Brexiteers want to unleash the revolutionary force of anarcho-capitalism whilst simultaneously preserving a twee and stable 1950s version of British society, which isn't possible. Brexit is a Thatcherite fantasy of the compatibility of rapidly changing free market economics and a solidly unchanging social order of old.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
It’s a mess but it’s certainly not Thatcherite. It’s naked English Nationalism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
Xenophobia has driven Euroscepticism since day one. It has been its central tenet. I do get that not everyone who voted leave was a xenophobe but, by god, they lent their vote to the xenophobes very recklessly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
I'd love to say it was different over here but the right wing rhetoric gets louder by the week. The AfD love a crisis, if Germany is having a hard time, then populism has an easy time, I guess the principle is the same for Farage and his ilk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glory Lurker
Thatcher would have supported Brexit. She became increasingly Eurosceptic during her premiership, and certainly more so afterwards. She was quintessentially a representation of Tory England and had no understanding or sympathy beyond the home counties. She was at the forefront of pushing the revolutionary change free market capitalism creates whilst trying to maintain some traditional idea of stable (white) post-war social democratic society, which is simply impossible.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
The Food company I do agency work for, brought loads of stock into the U.K. last month and this monthQuote:
Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Goods all in external storage. These sort of things don’t help manufacture cash flow
I think it was Will Self who said that not everyone that voted for Brexit was racist, but all racists voted for Brexit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
Yep, he said it in front of the inflatable idiot Francois, who said Self should apologise to 17.4 million people, as Francois hadn't understood the difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by GlesgaeHibby
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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
Overwhelmingly voted for Brexit then act surprised when they lose the handouts.
It's almost as if Cornwall might be better off seeking independence then applying to join the EU?Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
Maybe the could have some sort of referendum on the matter.
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I disagree. She always kept the ambitions of the weirdo "little Englander", upper class tories at arms length. She was a shopkeepers daughter and understood free-trade more than most. She might/would have been at odds with the EU's political endeavours but would have fought them from within (or just used the UK's veto, something the Brexit Gang conveniently forgot existed.) She may have been an evil, deranged, sack-of bones, meat-puppet disguised as a human but she wasn't a stupid, evil, deranged, sack-of bones, meat-puppet disguised as a human.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
...but we're not allowed to call them idiotic twats who haven't a clue what is good for them or who their real enemy is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
Led to a hilarious staring out contestQuote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
https://youtu.be/AOWzwv36GKU
You reap what you sow. Sadly however these clowns will continue to vote Conservative and against their own self interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
I disagree and believe Thatcher would have been entirely behind the Brexit project by 2016. Her parochial nonsense would have ultimately prevailed and taken us out today. It's all part of right wing drift towards the recidivism of a misplaced greatness; an embarrassing machismo lacking subtlety and the need to empathise. It's a bizarre fantasy of the Daily Mail reader which harks back to some mythologised past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
That is how they win: make enough people vote against policies which would help them; appeal to fear and prejudice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lendo
Yep and wrap it in the Union / England flagQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
Just heard one on TV saying they need to take it all back and sell the catch to the 7 billion fish eating people in AsiaQuote:
Originally Posted by Colr
I think we can all agree this is a disturbing development.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killiehibbie
I thought that was a more South American thingQuote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Goddam sharks, the Daily Mail warned us all about this when they exclusively revealed to their readers that Jeremy Corbyn was planning to import people eating fish from China if they didn't vote for Brexit and a Boris Johnson led government.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
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Not at all. It's nature's way of controlling population growth.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
There’s always one :rolleyes: Taking the opposite view just for the halibut.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future17
Admittedly, it wasn't my plaice to say it.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
I need to mullet over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future17