Newell on fans jeers vs Cove

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

Don’t think we’re any different to any other teams in the league, especially in that type of game. Go to Ibrox and Parkhead and it takes them about 15 minutes to start getting on their players backs if they’re not winning.

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Not sure about that - I think there is a booing mentality in our fans at games , and online, which tops most others . There may be exceptions but I can’t identify many. Celtic fans are largely great at supporting their team from the stands in my experience, particularly when they are in a hole .

My main point though was the reaction to the plea for help from Newell, being met with justification of the lack of support.

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Originally Posted by NAE NOOKIE

He has a point. Look at the team versus Cove, two guys playing their first ever game for the club and a midfield player on the right of a back three, all of them adapting to a new style of play. That against opposition on a 15 game unbeaten run who were clearly a better team than the league they are in, that was evident after about 15 minutes.

OK every fan, including me, can get disgruntled during the game at poor play or the ball not being played forward fast enough and have a moan ... but booing the team off at half time and full time is just totally unhelpful .... I just don't see the point of it.

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Exactly, well said, totally agree.

Typical example of threads on Hibs.net at the moment (and probably since day one). Posters take alternative views then bore the pants of fellow posters trying to defend their view.

The reality is somewhere in between. Newell, as typical of many of today's midfielders, has that ability to pass the ball straight back to where the ball came from. It frustrates the hell out of me, but is obviously the right thing to do when he's being closed down. However, I feel there are occasions when he could turn, look up and see what's on, but instead takes the 'safe' option. The more people 'boo' the more likely he'll take the safe option.

With Newell, there are many occasions when he does turn, look up and helps us drive forward and I think he is generally good at doing that. I just wish he would do that more often.

If it ain't Booing I ain't going.

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

Good players don’t wait to get the ball then take six touches and 10 seconds to figure out what they’re doing. I’m not saying Newell does that every time he has it, but too often it doesn’t move quick enough. Backwards and sideways is fine when required, shouldn’t be the first thought which I often think it is and it’s a big reason that we’ve struggled for goals relatively often. It’s not about him (or whoever else is playing in there) playing a defence splitting pass every time we get it but it needs to get in to the final third quicker.

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We have struggled for goals yes! Goal chances no! Poor officials and poor finishing more to blame than Joe's passing.

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Originally Posted by bigwheel

Not sure about that - I think there is a booing mentality in our fans at games , and online, which tops most others . There may be exceptions but I can’t identify many. Celtic fans are largely great at supporting their team from the stands in my experience, particularly when they are in a hole .

My main point though was the reaction to the plea for help from Newell, being met with justification of the lack of support.

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Celtic fans are great at supporting them when they’re winning. Lost their first cup tie in four years last season and they were chasing the team bus down the road, at a time when they weren’t even allowed in to the game!

Ultimately, I don’t think folk really need to justify booing. If they want to they can and if they don’t want to they won’t. Think folk generally call what they see, Maloney’s first game being a good example. Wasn’t pretty, not many there but got right behind them because they felt there was something worth getting behind.

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Originally Posted by theonlywayisup

I feel there are occasions when he could turn, look up and see what's on, but instead takes the 'safe' option. The more people 'boo' the more likely he'll take the safe option.

With Newell, there are many occasions when he does turn, look up and helps us drive forward and I think he is generally good at doing that. I just wish he would do that more often.

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But the bit in bold is the key thing. Its counterproductive.

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Originally Posted by bigwheel

Newell has come out and asked the fans for a wee bit patience . Sharing the challenge of changing the way the play and bedding in different players . He understands a fans frustration but is simply asking for a bit more support and patience during this transition period, as it can be unhelpful at times.

Yet, some fans on here come on and just justify the booing. We’ve got to have some of the grumpiest and least supportive supporters in our league …

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Absolutely no chance that is true. All over the world, fans boo their team if they are not performing. Certainly not any worse at ER than other grounds.

I wonder what the reaction to this would be if it was Nisbet doing the interview. People are literally falling over each other ripping into him.

If it's not entertaining some of the support will boo - the club can't complain as they sacked Ross for similar.

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Originally Posted by bigwheel

Not sure about that - I think there is a booing mentality in our fans at games , and online, which tops most others . There may be exceptions but I can’t identify many. Celtic fans are largely great at supporting their team from the stands in my experience, particularly when they are in a hole .

My main point though was the reaction to the plea for help from Newell, being met with justification of the lack of support.

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Celtic fans are laden with success.

Celtc fans last year weren't getting behind their side good or bad. That's for sure.

I like Newell, he’s a cracking player for our level. Robust, retains the ball, can carry the ball, reads the game, quality crosses and seems a good character. The fact he battled through the terrible start he had with us is a credit to him.

Could he be more aggressive, absolutely. However he will fill the role he is being directed to, much the same as when he was hung out on the left wing by Hecky.


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The boos at half time were very evident and noticeable because there was no clapping or cheering. I don't boo these days but that first half performance was terrible. Yes there was mitigation but we need to be doing better and fans can show the team their displeasure. I think what the players need to realise is that a failed forward pass showing ambition is very rarely criticised. A pass the buck backwards pass is never popular. I want to see signs that what Maloney wants to do is being worked on and we are on a journey. that wasn't very evident in a positive sense v Cove but there has been some glimpses in other games. Early days and he will need time and a fit squad. The last couple of managers weren't afforded that though

I hope to Jebus we’re 4-0 up at half time tonight or this place will self destruct…

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Originally Posted by Jones28

On a thread centered on the discussion around booing players its not a mad interpretation IMO.

Anyway, I don't want to argue with you for fear of being accused of picking fights with people - something only you seem to have picked up on - so I'll take my interpretation of you said and leave it at that.

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Jeez, I explained my post further but you've just decided to ignore what I'm actually saying and believe something else entirely!

I have never said 'i paid my money so i can boo if i want'.

Not even close, and not what I was saying at all.

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Originally Posted by EdinMike

I hope to Jebus we’re 4-0 up at half time tonight or this place will self destruct…

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This is as an example of the extreme of the other way, ripping the support and posters on here for not being completely positive. :aok:

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Originally Posted by CockneyRebel

We have struggled for goals yes! Goal chances no! Poor officials and poor finishing more to blame than Joe's passing.

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How many goals has Newell scored at Hibs? For a midfielder, regardless of their role, it's an awful stat (the answer is 3, in 90 games).

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Originally Posted by The 90+2

This is as an example of the extreme of the other way, ripping the support and posters on here for not being completely positive. :aok:

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Scared to say anything these days - it will soon be as quiet on here as ER is!!

If teams are playing crap then fans will let them know its not a new thing
I get the transition thing and we are trying to get a certain way of playing that's different etc but fans don't think about that freezing their nuts off watching us struggle against cove rangers
I guess it's just going to take time which is another thing that fans don't like to hear

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

Scared to say anything these days - it will soon be as quiet on here as ER is!!

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:agree: People are allowed to disagree but the beauty of .net was everyone was allowed to have an opinion. Recently there's loads of hounding plus "this is what is running this place down" comments. I haven't seen much change for people to say that but fair do's.

If Hibs are playing well I'll be positive and say, if they are playing gash then likewise.

The one gripe I've got is many people who backed Jack Ross (I know) and acknowledged back in October the run coming up, the injuries we had and the covid issues quite gladly threw him under a bus when he was sacked - the same people wouldn't hear a bad word said about the guy and others where negative if they posted otherwise - hundreds of abuse of posters saying it wasn't good enough under Ross... Now it's turned full circle it was all Jacks fault and won't hear anything said about Maloney or ripped :greengrin

I know it's a football forum and measured and balanced probably go hand in hand but people are allowed to be optimistic/pessimistic even deluded either way because that's their opinion and have every right to it.

I didn't go on Thursday - I watched on the TV, my opinion is you would have to be wired to the moon to expect no negativity after the first half against a part time football side. We picked up towards the end of the 90 and deservedly got the win. I'm glad Nisbet scored to help get people off his back - ironically many of them are the ones slating booing and anything usually that doesn't mean positivity.

For me it feels like there's some supporters who will either be negative or quiet! I sit in section 41 and there's loads of folk who sit passively and only comment critically.

Me and my mate often the only ones being encouraging and joining in with singing/ clapping. Other grounds do seem to have better atmospheres, though often smaller clubs like palace and Brentford spring to mind.

I suppose Newell is asking us to be a bit patient because we asked for the change. Supporters need to wise up to this and be a bit more intelligent and see the bigger picture. Got a good feeling about Maloney. We need to back him and the team to the hilt!

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Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..

Jeez, I explained my post further but you've just decided to ignore what I'm actually saying and believe something else entirely!

I have never said 'i paid my money so i can boo if i want'.

Not even close, and not what I was saying at all.

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I didn't ignore what you said, I interpreted it in a way you didn't intend.

I don’t really care what Newell has to say to be honest. I’m not one for booing during the game or at halftime, but booing at the final whistle is perfectly acceptable imo. You’ve just watched a team huff and puff against a lower division team and not be able to win in 90 minutes, are they looking for a round of applause after that? I’m all for being supportive and I always try and look for the positives, but there has to come a time when you’re at a game when you need to show your opinion of what you’ve seen.

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Originally Posted by superfurryhibby

How many goals has Newell scored at Hibs? For a midfielder, regardless of their role, it's an awful stat (the answer is 3, in 90 games).

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So you want him to make a defence splitting pass then chase after it and score a goal? He plays too deep (instructions?) to be a constant goal menace. Since SJM we have had no-one to do this nor are we likely too in our price range unless we dig a lucky one out of "youngsters with promise".

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Originally Posted by CockneyRebel

So you want him to make a defence splitting pass then chase after it and score a goal? He plays too deep (instructions?) to be a constant goal menace. Since SJM we have had no-one to do this nor are we likely too in our price range unless we dig a lucky one out of "youngsters with promise".

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I’m sorry but that’s a cop out, he’s had numerous chances to score and either passed or hit a tame effort wide or straight at the keeper, his shooting is woeful. I like Newell as a player but he is extremely frustrating at times, he can look like a world beater in some games and anonymous in others.

Bottom line is that a hibs player is asking the hibs support to more supportive. He shouldnt have to do that. We have a new manager with new ideas and 4 games in we should be totally behind them. This must affecting the players or i dont think he would have come out with this.

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Originally Posted by DIXIHIBS

Bottom line is that a hibs player is asking the hibs support to more supportive. He shouldnt have to do that. We have a new manager with new ideas and 4 games in we should be totally behind them. This must affecting the players or i dont think he would have come out with this.

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:agree:

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Originally Posted by DIXIHIBS

Bottom line is that a hibs player is asking the hibs support to more supportive. He shouldnt have to do that. We have a new manager with new ideas and 4 games in we should be totally behind them. This must affecting the players or i dont think he would have come out with this.

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Spot on.

Everyone will have their own explanation as to why but at the end of the day it doesn’t matter.

It’s negatively impacting the players.

Let’s get behind them, encourage and support them.

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Originally Posted by flash

Is it not when the team is struggling that the supporters are really needed?

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I have been at games where the crowd really backed the players for 90 mins and the players didn't respond but I have also seen the oppisite where the crowd offered next to no backing and the team delivered.

I don't think the crowd has as much of a bearing as some are suggesting but it can impact from time to time. The players need to be professional at the end of the day and put in performances that we want to see. Cove was as far away from that as any bad performances lucky Cove tired as that got us through in the end.

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Originally Posted by mixumatosis

A guy who has excelled in the EPL and is being widely touted for a £50m move to Man Utd.

Hard to imagine why we might be lacking that sort of player.

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Your point is? Does it take a £50m player to make a run into the box?

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Originally Posted by Gatecrasher

I have been at games where the crowd really backed the players for 90 mins and the players didn't respond but I have also seen the oppisite where the crowd offered next to no backing and the team delivered.

I don't think the crowd has as much of a bearing as some are suggesting but it can impact from time to time. The players need to be professional at the end of the day and put in performances that we want to see. Cove was as far away from that as any bad performances lucky Cove tired as that got us through in the end.

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Agree with this. I’m quite surprised this has cropped up to be honest, I didn’t think the crowd reaction against Cove was really that bad. Crowd can make a difference on occasion but the game last week is the least pressured environment you’re ever likely to play in as a Hibs player.