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25-05-2021, 02:49 PM
Northernhibee

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Originally Posted by Lith

And i would say to you thats fine and its your opinion.... its defo not absurd to sack a manager in third.... we need to look at the bigger picture... he just doesnt motivate the players at all..... He has no fight in him at all and that reflects through the players performances.... 100% Lennon would not have stood for that first half performance and the second half would have been better

Its not all about 1 game though is it... we have had far too many performances like this all season.... Ross cant change how the games are going and his tactics to me seem pathetic...

I love Hibs and want the best for them and for me, it aint Jack Ross.....

We finished third and he has never failed to get us to Hampden in a cup competition.

Are we expected to win every single game or something? Even Rangers couldn’t do that.

And before you say that’s my opinion, it’s not. That’s all facts.
25-05-2021, 02:50 PM
nonshinyfinish

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Originally Posted by AgentDaleCooper

Another way of looking at it - what manager in their right mind would take a job at hibs if we sacked Ross after finishing 3rd. Trust between the manager and the board is something we as fans don't really get much insight into, but is surely incredibly important?

Nailed on that we'd get Jupp Heynckes in – he's been binned by two different clubs immediately after winning the Champions League.
25-05-2021, 02:50 PM
loanheadhibby

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

So we sack a manager after any mediocre performance despite the league campaign being our best in years? What kind of logic is that? What are we actually “accepting” there?

Mate, when are they parading the 3rd place trophy?

Did you see Callum Davidson doing a full belly flop across the changing room? Do you think Callum Davidson is thinking, goodness, I wished I had finished 3rd or do you think he is polishing 2 cups today?

As I said, I am not bothered if he stays or if he goes but I'll take a Scottish Cup & League cup win over 3rd place in the league every day of the week.
25-05-2021, 02:52 PM
Hibernia&Alba

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Originally Posted by AgentDaleCooper

Another way of looking at it - what manager in their right mind would take a job at hibs if we sacked Ross after finishing 3rd. Trust between the manager and the board is something we as fans don't really get much insight into, but is surely incredibly important?

Good point. It would represent the type of job insecurity you get at clubs like Real Madrid (win everything or go) only we aren't Real Madrid.
25-05-2021, 02:53 PM
Northernhibee

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Originally Posted by loanheadhibby

Mate, when are they parading the 3rd place trophy?

Did you see Callum Davidson doing a full belly flop across the changing room? Do you think Callum Davidson is thinking, goodness, I wished I had finished 3rd or do you think he is polishing 2 cups today?

As I said, I am not bothered if he stays or if he goes but I'll take a Scottish Cup & League cup win over 3rd place in the league every day of the week.

I get the feeling that some on here are polishing things other than trophies.

Is third place not an achievement for us? Should every single manager since we last finished third have been sacked too?

Honestly, have a word with yourself. How did you get yourself in the position where you’re putting forward arguments like that?
25-05-2021, 02:53 PM
matty_f

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Originally Posted by Lith

And i would say to you thats fine and its your opinion.... its defo not absurd to sack a manager in third.... we need to look at the bigger picture... he just doesnt motivate the players at all..... He has no fight in him at all and that reflects through the players performances.... 100% Lennon would not have stood for that first half performance and the second half would have been better

Its not all about 1 game though is it... we have had far too many performances like this all season.... Ross cant change how the games are going and his tactics to me seem pathetic...

I love Hibs and want the best for them and for me, it aint Jack Ross.....

Lennon got knocked out the cup, at home, to Queen of the South. He was capable of bad results and performances too.
25-05-2021, 02:54 PM
SaulGoodman

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Originally Posted by loanheadhibby

I hate the fact that none of the above turned up on Saturday when it really counted. Where were the mediocre front 3 with 36 goals on Saturday?

I can stomach losing most games, but Saturday was absolutely pathetic from the team that finished 3rd.

Go ahead and ignore the rest of my post why don’t you.
25-05-2021, 02:55 PM
loanheadhibby

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Originally Posted by AgentDaleCooper

No one is asking you to accept it.

This is almost the exact definition of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

I'm not suggesting he is sacked. I an neither here nor there on sacking him.

After 3 pathetic perfomances at Hampden tho, I fully understand why some people are not exactly over joyed by the prospect of Ross staying?

Put another way, his old team had 2 performances at Wembley and never showed up. His current team have had 4 performances at Hampden at turned up once. Jack Ross gets us there, but you cannot argue with the fact he has not delivered when it comes to the crunch?
25-05-2021, 02:56 PM
SaulGoodman

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Originally Posted by loanheadhibby

Mate, when are they parading the 3rd place trophy?

Did you see Callum Davidson doing a full belly flop across the changing room? Do you think Callum Davidson is thinking, goodness, I wished I had finished 3rd or do you think he is polishing 2 cups today?

As I said, I am not bothered if he stays or if he goes but I'll take a Scottish Cup & League cup win over 3rd place in the league every day of the week.

Can we not say the result on Saturday was **** but finishing 3rd was good? Why does not winning the cup void everything else from this season?
25-05-2021, 02:58 PM
Northernhibee

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Originally Posted by loanheadhibby

I'm not suggesting he is sacked. I an neither here nor there on sacking him.

After 3 pathetic perfomances at Hampden tho, I fully understand why some people are not exactly over joyed by the prospect of Ross staying?

Put another way, his old team had 2 performances at Wembley and never showed up. His current team have had 4 performances at Hampden at turned up once. Jack Ross gets us there, but you cannot argue with the fact he has not delivered when it comes to the crunch?

He led us to third in the league, our best league season in over a decade. We beat Aberdeen at Pittodrie (which we haven’t done since 2012) to do so. Is that not “the crunch”?
25-05-2021, 02:59 PM
loanheadhibby

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Originally Posted by SaulGoodman

Go ahead and ignore the rest of my post why don’t you.

What? Your points about the stadium and owner? I thought this thread was about the manager and whether he should stay or go? What has the owner and 20k stadium got to do with us not performing at Hampden?

the club is well run, it's a nice stadium, we have a fantastic owner, we need to start producing the goods when it really matters.
25-05-2021, 03:02 PM
loanheadhibby

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

He led us to third in the league, our best league season in over a decade. We beat Aberdeen at Pittodrie (which we haven’t done since 2012) to do so. Is that not “the crunch”?

You are stating facts, I am not disagreeing with them.

So as Hibs fans, we are delighted we won at Aberdeen for the 1st time since 2012 and won 3rd place in the league.

I'd take defeat at Aberdeen, 4th place in the league and 2 cups any day of the week. Just my preference. For me Saturday was the ultimate crunch. We sh*t the bed on Saturday.
25-05-2021, 03:02 PM
SaulGoodman

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Originally Posted by loanheadhibby

What? Your points about the stadium and owner? I thought this thread was about the manager and whether he should stay or go? What has the owner and 20k stadium got to do with us not performing at Hampden?

the club is well run, it's a nice stadium, we have a fantastic owner, we need to start producing the goods when it really matters.

No I meant the point where I blatantly said the cup final wasn’t good enough from the team or Jack Ross.

Thanks for proving my point about the fact some people will forget the fact our front 3 have been excellent all season because of one game.

Is 3rd place and European football not producing the goods? Or are the only goods winning cup finals?
25-05-2021, 03:03 PM
AgentDaleCooper

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Originally Posted by loanheadhibby

I'm not suggesting he is sacked. I an neither here nor there on sacking him.

After 3 pathetic perfomances at Hampden tho, I fully understand why some people are not exactly over joyed by the prospect of Ross staying?

Put another way, his old team had 2 performances at Wembley and never showed up. His current team have had 4 performances at Hampden at turned up once. Jack Ross gets us there, but you cannot argue with the fact he has not delivered when it comes to the crunch?

He won a crunch game against aberdeen, and our performance in the semi was a big test given our last game at hampden. I'd say he's hit and miss in crunch games, but over the piece, given it was his first full season, he's been pretty decent at least.
25-05-2021, 03:04 PM
Northernhibee

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Originally Posted by loanheadhibby

You are stating facts, I am not disagreeing with them.

So as Hibs fans, we are delighted we won at Aberdeen for the 1st time since 2012 and won 3rd place in the league.

I'd take defeat at Aberdeen, 4th place in the league and 2 cups any day of the week. Just my preference. For me Saturday was the ultimate crunch. We sh*t the bed on Saturday.

I’d take a night with Keira Knightley, a box of liquorice allsorts and a 1-1 draw to East Fife, didn’t happen though.

What’s your point, caller?
25-05-2021, 03:05 PM
hibsbollah

This is getting like Trump vs Biden. Differences of opinion not tolerated by the other side. Even asking the 'wrong' questions frowned upon.

That other thread was hard reading, looks like this is going the same way.
25-05-2021, 03:08 PM
SaulGoodman

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

I’d take a night with Keira Knightley, a box of liquorice allsorts and a 1-1 draw to East Fife, didn’t happen though.

What’s your point, caller?

That’s disgusting, this is a family forum you shouldn’t talk about things like that. Liquorice allsorts are rank.
25-05-2021, 03:09 PM
Northernhibee

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Originally Posted by SaulGoodman

That’s disgusting, this is a family forum you shouldn’t talk about things like that. Liquorice allsorts are rank.

Reported.
25-05-2021, 03:09 PM
Lith

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Originally Posted by matty_f

Lennon got knocked out the cup, at home, to Queen of the South. He was capable of bad results and performances too.

Matty.
My point on Lennon could have been any manager. i just mentioned Lennon... it could have been Yogi or Mixu.... Everyone is totally blinded by third place and have blinkers on or green specs on....
25-05-2021, 03:12 PM
SaulGoodman

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

Reported.

Just put me on ignore if you are happy to accept sweetie mediocrity and go along eating liquorice allsorts.
25-05-2021, 03:12 PM
loanheadhibby

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Originally Posted by SaulGoodman

No I meant the point where I blatantly said the cup final wasn’t good enough from the team or Jack Ross.

Thanks for proving my point about the fact some people will forget the fact our front 3 have been excellent all season because of one game.

Is 3rd place and European football not producing the goods? Or are the only goods winning cup finals?

have our front 3 been excellent all season tho? They have had a decent season but failed to deliver on Saturday.

See on 21st May next year, will you be watching reruns of David Grays winner or will you be watching replays of Doidge scoring the winner at Aberdeen to secure 3rd place?

I am not disputing 3rd place is a good achievement. I am greedy tho and wanted 2 cups as well. Why is it St Johnstone get to celebrate 2 cups? I am like a 5 years old kicking and screaming and make no apology. I wanted both they cups and would take 11th place in the league.
25-05-2021, 03:13 PM
AgentDaleCooper

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Originally Posted by loanheadhibby

You are stating facts, I am not disagreeing with them.

So as Hibs fans, we are delighted we won at Aberdeen for the 1st time since 2012 and won 3rd place in the league.

I'd take defeat at Aberdeen, 4th place in the league and 2 cups any day of the week. Just my preference. For me Saturday was the ultimate crunch. We sh*t the bed on Saturday.

This is the whole problem - you're only looking at the extremes. I'm not delighted about anything. I'm satisfied bordering very happy we came 3rd, yet gutted and very unimpressed with the final. Ross has a major point to prove, but that's a long way from meaning he should be sacked.
25-05-2021, 03:14 PM
fiolex1

Somebody else posted our cup failure rate and it’s pretty poor. I think to change a deep rooted culture and environment takes a long time and think Ron Gordon may achieve this in time but for me JR is lacking. JR has failed in the tactical game in my opinion and doesn’t have a plan B when we go behind in games. Some of our players when we’re in front seem to blossom but when we’re up against it and need players to stand up and be counted and play for the jersey, seem to fade away. Only my opinion of course.
25-05-2021, 03:18 PM
Northernhibee

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Originally Posted by SaulGoodman

Just put me on ignore if you are happy to accept sweetie mediocrity and go along eating liquorice allsorts.

You’re just not happy because Jack Ross isn’t up for the Crunchie games.
25-05-2021, 03:21 PM
SaulGoodman

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

You’re just not happy because Jack Ross isn’t up for the Crunchie games.

:hilarious
25-05-2021, 03:24 PM
blackpoolhibs

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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

You’re just not happy because Jack Ross isn’t up for the Crunchie games.

We could all do with a boost after Saturday.
25-05-2021, 03:25 PM
jeffers

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Originally Posted by Brightside

We know that Jack reads the forum too. Well done everyone. :rolleyes:

Good, maybe he’ll come on and apologise for Saturday or explain what his tactics were. He didn’t blame the players so is he accepting the responsibility for that pathetic performance ?
25-05-2021, 03:26 PM
Hibbyradge

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

We could all do with a boost after Saturday.

He doesn't know what to do when his tictacs aren't working.
25-05-2021, 03:26 PM
Hibbyradge

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Originally Posted by jeffers

Good, maybe he’ll come on and apologise for Saturday or explain what his tactics were. He didn’t blame the players so is he accepting the responsibility for that pathetic performance ?

Maybe he's giving St Johnstone the credit.
25-05-2021, 03:28 PM
blackpoolhibs

Can we see who voted which way on this?

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