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13-09-2019, 11:37 AM
matty_f

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Originally Posted by danhibees1875

Uber for Hecky... :taxi

That's more like it!
13-09-2019, 11:45 AM
calumhibee1

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Originally Posted by J-C

Yes I am and proud of it, 30 years now and never once have I driven up Forest Rd the wrong way, turned right from Lothian Rd onto the west approach on the wrong side onto oncoming traffic. Nor have I went onto the bypass on the wrong slip road into oncoming traffic and had to reverse back up the slip road. But on you go if you meant to save that couple of quid.

I now see why Blackpoolhibs has a go at you all the time, once you get something in your teeth you go on and on until you think you're right.

And we’ve all seen plenty black cabs swing out in front of others cars without indicating to pick up a fair. Or been going well over the speed limit. There’s examples of **** drivers everywhere, black cabs aren’t any different, as much as a lot of taxi drivers would like to tell everyone otherwise. Majority are absolutely competent, some aren’t. Majority of Uber drivers or whatever other form of taxi we want to discuss are also absolutely competent, some aren’t.

No idea why some taxi drivers get so defensive over their profession or have such a sense of entitlement.

Don’t go having a strop because people prefer other methods of transport.
13-09-2019, 11:50 AM
lord bunberry

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Originally Posted by SMAXXA

Check the taxi drivers with the violins out in this thread 😂, always pleading poverty only 3 holidays a year poor *******s

There hasn’t been one post from a taxi driver up until your post. There seems to be a misconception that taxi drivers are sitting in their taxis raging that people are using Uber or whoever else. I’m not sure how long these app companies have been on the go, but it’s made zero difference to the black cab trade. Every company has seen a year on year increase in bookings and from a personal point of view my takings haven’t been affected. If people want to use these app companies then good for them, but let’s not try and make out they’re somehow sticking it up the taxi trade by doing so.
13-09-2019, 12:31 PM
calumhibee1

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Originally Posted by lord bunberry

There hasn’t been one post from a taxi driver up until your post. There seems to be a misconception that taxi drivers are sitting in their taxis raging that people are using Uber or whoever else. I’m not sure how long these app companies have been on the go, but it’s made zero difference to the black cab trade. Every company has seen a year on year increase in bookings and from a personal point of view my takings haven’t been affected. If people want to use these app companies then good for them, but let’s not try and make out they’re somehow sticking it up the taxi trade by doing so.

Think Uber has been around for 10 years or so. Good to hear that there is clearly enough work for everyone though. Something which is often suggested isn’t the case.
13-09-2019, 12:44 PM
tamig

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Originally Posted by J-C

It's up to all drivers to check on the council site what's open and whats not, my point was that nearly all Uber go by the satnav

Nearly all. There are bad black cab drivers as there are bad PHC drivers. Your peers aren’t flawless.
13-09-2019, 12:46 PM
tamig

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

And we’ve all seen plenty black cabs swing out in front of others cars without indicating to pick up a fair. Or been going well over the speed limit. There’s examples of **** drivers everywhere, black cabs aren’t any different, as much as a lot of taxi drivers would like to tell everyone otherwise. Majority are absolutely competent, some aren’t. Majority of Uber drivers or whatever other form of taxi we want to discuss are also absolutely competent, some aren’t.

No idea why some taxi drivers get so defensive over their profession or have such a sense of entitlement.

Don’t go having a strop because people prefer other methods of transport.

Because the emergence of the PHC is a threat to the gravy train.
13-09-2019, 01:46 PM
Fife-Hibee

These companies are going to end up pricing out taxi drivers who are required to do everything by the book, who have large overheads and who speak English and know where they're going.

We often complain about a low wage economy, but allow our greed as a consumer to actively facilitate it. It has "i'm all right jackery" written all over it.
13-09-2019, 01:54 PM
Gloucester Hibs

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Originally Posted by danhibees1875

Technically. But the point he's making is that it may as well just be considered a vegetable.

Like a Dyson vacuum is considered a hoover, cheap sticky tape is sellotape, and a beep beep/Uber is a taxi.

And....and... people also say “Tannoy” when what they mean is public address system!
13-09-2019, 02:04 PM
J-C

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Originally Posted by tamig

Because the emergence of the PHC is a threat to the gravy train.

No problem with competition, we've always had it. What we hate is the illegal picking up from PHC, the fact that they overcharge with their surges and many other dodgy stuff.

It can still be a good living but longer hours are required which isn't what many guys want when they get over 60 and see retirement round the corner.
13-09-2019, 02:43 PM
patch1875

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Originally Posted by J-C

No problem with competition, we've always had it. What we hate is the illegal picking up from PHC, the fact that they overcharge with their surges and many other dodgy stuff.

It can still be a good living but longer hours are required which isn't what many guys want when they get over 60 and see retirement round the corner.

Don’t know why taxis keep going on about the surge, Uber is about half the price of a black cab on its standard fare.

Try and get an Uber when it’s busy you are advised of this with an estimated cost not happy with it don’t accept it! You get plenty warning.
13-09-2019, 02:50 PM
calumhibee1

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Originally Posted by patch1875

Don’t know why taxis keep going on about the surge, Uber is about half the price of a black cab on its standard fare.

Try and get an Uber when it’s busy you are advised of this with an estimated cost not happy with it don’t accept it! You get plenty warning.

And taxis also put their price up during busy periods as well.
13-09-2019, 02:57 PM
Cataplana

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

And taxis also put their price up during busy periods as well.

I didn't know that, I thought the tariffs were the same all the time.
13-09-2019, 02:59 PM
BroxburnHibee

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

And taxis also put their price up during busy periods as well.

No they don't.

That's a blatant falsehood and you know it.
13-09-2019, 03:02 PM
calumhibee1

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Originally Posted by Cataplana

I didn't know that, I thought the tariffs were the same all the time.

There’s 4(I think?) different tariffs. That’s 4 different price points and an ability to put the prices up and down at busy periods. Hardly any different to Uber is it? Uber just do it on a more flexible, less fixed basis.

Taxi fairs are increased all weekend, every weekend from the base tariff judging by the ECC website if we really want to moan about Uber increasing theirs.
13-09-2019, 03:09 PM
patch1875

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Originally Posted by Cataplana

I didn't know that, I thought the tariffs were the same all the time.

There’s 4 tariffs that change day/night also Xmas new year tariff.
13-09-2019, 03:16 PM
easty

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Originally Posted by Fife-Hibee

These companies are going to end up pricing out taxi drivers who are required to do everything by the book, who have large overheads and who speak English and know where they're going.

We often complain about a low wage economy, but allow our greed as a consumer to actively facilitate it. It has "i'm all right jackery" written all over it.

Aye I often have to get out my phone and use google translate to have any kind of conversation with my Uber driver, right enough :confused:
13-09-2019, 03:30 PM
BroxburnHibee

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

There’s 4(I think?) different tariffs. That’s 4 different price points and an ability to put the prices up and down at busy periods. Hardly any different to Uber is it? Uber just do it on a more flexible, less fixed basis.

Taxi fairs are increased all weekend, every weekend from the base tariff judging by the ECC website if we really want to moan about Uber increasing theirs.

They are not increased all weekend. Again another falsehood.
13-09-2019, 03:32 PM
calumhibee1

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Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee

They are not increased all weekend. Again another falsehood.

http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/4118/taxi_fare_card_from_18_june_2018.pdf

This would seem to suggest from 6am on Saturday morning they’re increased until 6am Monday. So either I’m reading it wrong or you’re claiming they’re not increased ALL weekend because of the 6 hour window on Saturday morning before they go up..
13-09-2019, 03:33 PM
Cataplana

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Originally Posted by patch1875

There’s 4 tariffs that change day/night also Xmas new year tariff.

(The things you learn on here.)

Just looked it up, there are two tariffs, one for day during the week, and one for night and all weekend.

There are two more that replace these at Christmas, and New Year.

Not the same as surge charges on Uber.
13-09-2019, 03:33 PM
patch1875

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Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee

They are not increased all weekend. Again another falsehood.

Isn’t it tariff 2 all weekend?
13-09-2019, 03:34 PM
Cataplana

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/4118/taxi_fare_card_from_18_june_2018.pdf

This would seem to suggest from 6am on Saturday morning they’re increased until 6am Monday. So either I’m reading it wrong or you’re claiming they’re not increased ALL weekend because of the 6 hour window on Saturday morning before they go up..

6pm Friday, till 6 am Monday.
13-09-2019, 03:36 PM
calumhibee1

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Originally Posted by Cataplana

(The things you learn on here.)

Just looked it up, there are two tariffs, one for day during the week, and one for night and all weekend.

There are two more that replace these at Christmas, and New Year.

Not the same as surge charges on Uber.

Not the exact same because Uber’s increases aren’t defined in terms of when it’ll happen or by how much.. Other than that though it’s still an increase in the fair. So the same concept really, the fairs go up when it’s busier and/or less desirable to work. Just that the black cab version is more predictable.
13-09-2019, 03:36 PM
Cataplana

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

Not the exact same because Uber’s increases aren’t defined in terms of when it’ll happen or by how much.. Other than that though it’s still an increase in the fair. So the same concept really, the fairs go up when it’s busier and/or less desirable to work. Just that the black cab version is more predictable.

Yes, that's the essence. The black cab one is more predictable in that it is set a year in advance.
13-09-2019, 03:42 PM
BroxburnHibee

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/4118/taxi_fare_card_from_18_june_2018.pdf

This would seem to suggest from 6am on Saturday morning they’re increased until 6am Monday. So either I’m reading it wrong or you’re claiming they’re not increased ALL weekend because of the 6 hour window on Saturday morning before they go up..

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Originally Posted by patch1875

Isn’t it tariff 2 all weekend?

Yeah ok I got that bit wrong so apologies. In my defence I never work Sundays :greengrin

However that's a standard fare rate over the whole weekend - quite different from Calums quote "and an ability to put the prices up and down at busy periods."

We cant. Prices and rates are set by the council and cant be altered.
13-09-2019, 03:48 PM
calumhibee1

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Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee

Yeah ok I got that bit wrong so apologies. In my defence I never work Sundays :greengrin

However that's a standard fare rate over the whole weekend - quite different from Calums quote "and an ability to put the prices up and down at busy periods."

We cant. Prices and rates are set by the council and cant be altered.

Not at all, no need to apologise.

I didn’t mean that they can just be set willy nilly. But they do have the ability to go up or down at busy periods. The big difference is that it’s set in stone when that will be and what the increase will be. It’s not a massively dissimilar concept to surge pricing though. Just that Uber’s is a more “live” system.
13-09-2019, 03:58 PM
matty_f

Uber don't over-charge, they just charge - the user accepts or declines the fee. That's part of the transaction.

Over-charging would be if there was a prescribed rate and they charged more than that (i.e. Hibs advertising concession prices then charging concessions full price)
13-09-2019, 04:00 PM
lord bunberry

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

Not at all, no need to apologise.

I didn’t mean that they can just be set willy nilly. But they do have the ability to go up or down at busy periods, it’s just that it’s set at the start of every year. Maybe ability makes it sound more of a choice, but it does happen with black cabs. Like I said though, it’s just more predictable.

They don’t have the ability to up or down at busy periods. They’re set and can’t be changed until there’s a fare review. Your wording is suggesting that during busy periods the price can rise which just isn’t true. There’s a day shift rate, a night shift rate, and two rates during the Christmas and new year period. The busiest period of the year is the festival and the price then is the same as it is in January.
13-09-2019, 04:07 PM
calumhibee1

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Originally Posted by lord bunberry

They don’t have the ability to up or down at busy periods. They’re set and can’t be changed until there’s a fare review. Your wording is suggesting that during busy periods the price can rise which just isn’t true. There’s a day shift rate, a night shift rate, and two rates during the Christmas and new year period. The busiest period of the year is the festival and the price then is the same as it is in January.

Ok, apologies for the use of the word ability. I wasn’t suggesting that the fares can be changed as and when a black cab driver fancies.

Point still stands though, black cab rates vary and are increased at certain times which is exactly the issue people claim they have with Uber.

Having the technology that Uber have at their disposal allows them to do it on a sort of live, in-play, more variable basis which black cabs of course don’t. That’s the only real difference in the concept of it.
13-09-2019, 04:09 PM
Cataplana

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

Ok, apologies for the use of the word ability. I wasn’t suggesting that the fares can be changed as and when a black cab driver fancies.

Point still stands though, black cab rates vary and are increased at certain times which is exactly the issue people claim they have with Uber.

Having the technology that Uber have at their disposal allows them to do it on a sort of live, in-play, more variable basis which black cabs of course don’t. That’s the only real difference in the concept of it.

The point is that you always know what you will pay in a taxi meter car (PHC are on the same tariff) as the price is set annually. You can never be sure how much an Uber will cost you.

Imagine if pubs operated on a surge pricing system, it would cost you more for a pint the busier the pub was. You would never be sure what your round would cost every time you went to the bar.
13-09-2019, 04:10 PM
Mibbes Aye

We were down on Manchester for the cricket for a few days and used Uber a lot, as well as black cabs.

Uber tells you the price in advance and it does vary depending on demand, but that’s your choice. Our biggest problem was we were staying relatively close to Old Trafford so there were bigger fares on offer. This meant we got acceptances which then got cancelled but that’s the nature of it.

All our drivers have always been friendly, polite and spoke English well or perfectly. Same in Birmingham and Leeds. In fact it was Leeds where we had a black cab driver who tried to take us a far too long route back to our apartment as well as being a bit of a racist ****

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