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11-08-2019, 12:18 PM
lapsedhibee

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Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba

Aye, working in the quote section. Not sure what happened there :greengrin

From that report, it seems many local residents don't want these August bonfires, but a group of youngsters are determined to go ahead, using the fires as cover for violence. Is their reasoning as inane as "they (loyalists) have bonfires, so we need them"? I don't see the connection between commemorating internment and lighting bonfires; surely there are more constructive and educational methods.

While we're on it, what's the connection between Guy Fawkes and bonfires? He was sentenced to be hung drawn and quartered, not burnt at the stake.
11-08-2019, 12:23 PM
bigwheel

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

While we're on it, what's the connection between Guy Fawkes and bonfires? He was sentenced to be hung drawn and quartered, not burnt at the stake.

Bonfires Pre date guy fawkes - originally it was to ward off evil spirits...only after gunpowder plot where they renamed “guys” which by then was a derogatory term.... it subsequently became
Linked to the failed plot
11-08-2019, 12:26 PM
MSK

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

While we're on it, what's the connection between Guy Fawkes and bonfires? He was sentenced to be hung drawn and quartered, not burnt at the stake.

Something to do with his role in the gunpowder plot, traditionally they would burn his effigy on bon fires and let off fireworks on 5th November, with regards his death by hanging, he was kinda lucky in a way, he avoided hanging by falling from the scaffold breaking his neck in the process 😆
11-08-2019, 12:42 PM
Hibernia&Alba

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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee

While we're on it, what's the connection between Guy Fawkes and bonfires? He was sentenced to be hung drawn and quartered, not burnt at the stake.

I think the government of the day ordered the lighting of bonfires after the plot was uncovered, as a celebration. It has been maintained since.
11-08-2019, 12:43 PM
Hibernia&Alba

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Originally Posted by MSK

Something to do with his role in the gunpowder plot, traditionally they would burn his effigy on bon fires and let off fireworks on 5th November, with regards his death by hanging, he was kinda lucky in a way, he avoided hanging by falling from the scaffold breaking his neck in the process 😆

That was the easy part. He'd been tortured for days beforehand. Death must have been a relief.
11-08-2019, 01:54 PM
Moulin Yarns

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Originally Posted by bigwheel

Bonfires Pre date guy fawkes - originally it was to ward off evil spirits...only after gunpowder plot where they renamed “guys” which by then was a derogatory term.... it subsequently became
Linked to the failed plot

Bonfires, just a vanity project.
19-08-2019, 12:01 PM
cabbageandribs1875

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Dunkeld at the weekend :) get these marches off our streets

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19-08-2019, 12:09 PM
Moulin Yarns

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Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875

Dunkeld at the weekend :) get these marches off our streets

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There is a lodge in the square. I think this is a procession to the lodge rather than a full blown hatefest. Not that I condone it. :wink:
19-08-2019, 12:20 PM
cabbageandribs1875

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

There is a lodge in the square. I think this is a procession to the lodge rather than a full blown hatefest. Not that I condone it. :wink:

yeah i know, and a tiny little 'protest' but at least they got their message across :)
19-08-2019, 12:34 PM
Moulin Yarns

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Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875

yeah i know, and a tiny little 'protest' but at least they got their message across :)

Where did you find the photo out of curiosity? It looks like it is taken from outside a shop that I have stuff for sale in. Also, if it was at the weekend, there were both SNP and Green stands in the town.
19-08-2019, 12:40 PM
cabbageandribs1875

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

Where did you find the photo out of curiosity? It looks like it is taken from outside a shop that I have stuff for sale in. Also, if it was at the weekend, there were both SNP and Green stands in the town.

saw it on FB yesterday, i'l look it out for you later this afternoon :aok:

https://www.facebook.com/85755838094...type=3&theater
19-08-2019, 01:34 PM
Hibrandenburg

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Originally Posted by stoneyburn hibs

Why should a town (Broxburn) be locked down for 4 hours because of this?

It boils my blood that this neanderthal pish is allowed, it's 2019 ffs.

Ignore them, apparently they'll go away if left alone.
30-08-2019, 07:59 PM
BS44

Celtic and Rangers fans warming up for Sunday at a republican march in Govan tonight
30-08-2019, 08:04 PM
Colr

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Originally Posted by bigwheel

Bonfires Pre date guy fawkes - originally it was to ward off evil spirits...only after gunpowder plot where they renamed “guys” which by then was a derogatory term.... it subsequently became
Linked to the failed plot

That’s right. Part of the Samhain festival.
30-08-2019, 09:28 PM
green&left

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Originally Posted by BS44

Celtic and Rangers fans warming up for Sunday at a republican march in Govan tonight

Kicked off. Full riot police deployed with horses etc. Govan Road closed off by the police.
30-08-2019, 09:29 PM
The Harp Awakes

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Originally Posted by BS44

Celtic and Rangers fans warming up for Sunday at a republican march in Govan tonight

BBC reporting serious disorder and police laying the blame at a 'disruptive' loyalist counter demonstration.
31-08-2019, 07:59 AM
The Modfather

Is this march any different to the orange marches? It’s not done out of any celebration, it’s just tribal sectarianism. Bizarre that’s still the way of the world in Glasgow in 2019, glad we live a relatively sheltered life in Edinburgh.
31-08-2019, 08:05 AM
Cataplana

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Originally Posted by The Modfather

Is this march any different to the orange marches? It’s not done out of any celebration, it’s just tribal sectarianism. Bizarre that’s still the way of the world in Glasgow in 2019, glad we live a relatively sheltered life in Edinburgh.

I suspect it's as much about drawing police attention away from other things, as anything else. Crates a smoke screen for other dodgy activities.
31-08-2019, 08:07 AM
lapsedhibee

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Originally Posted by The Harp Awakes

BBC reporting serious disorder and police laying the blame at a 'disruptive' loyalist counter demonstration.

Neandrathals.
31-08-2019, 08:20 AM
stoneyburn hibs

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Originally Posted by The Modfather

Is this march any different to the orange marches? It’s not done out of any celebration, it’s just tribal sectarianism. Bizarre that’s still the way of the world in Glasgow in 2019, glad we live a relatively sheltered life in Edinburgh.

It still baffles me to this day how set apart Edinburgh is from Glasgow in that respect.

You could actually set the counter at 5 miles outside Edinburgh, the diversity is so different for such a small distance.
31-08-2019, 08:43 AM
DaveF

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Originally Posted by stoneyburn hibs

It still baffles me to this day how set apart Edinburgh is from Glasgow in that respect.

You could actually set the counter at 5 miles outside Edinburgh, the diversity is so different for such a small distance.

Memory could be dodgy but I'm certain the James Connolly march originated in Edinburgh as I remember then going along Niddrie Mains Road. Jim Slaven and co were behind them and I guess maybe still are.

Just moved to Glasgow for a bigger audience.
31-08-2019, 09:10 AM
stoneyburn hibs

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Originally Posted by DaveF

Memory could be dodgy but I'm certain the James Connolly march originated in Edinburgh as I remember then going along Niddrie Mains Road. Jim Slaven and co were behind them and I guess maybe still are.

Just moved to Glasgow for a bigger audience.

Aye, I think the last big Connolly march in Edinburgh was 2013.
31-08-2019, 09:26 AM
Billy Whizz

Why were they allowed to walk around Govan in the 1st place
31-08-2019, 09:35 AM
makaveli1875

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

Ignore them, apparently they'll go away if left alone.

If the alternative to ignoring them is to mob up , go out swinging and start a massive riot then yeah im all for ingnoring them .
31-08-2019, 11:42 AM
BS44

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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

Why were they allowed to walk around Govan in the 1st place

Doesn't answer your question but Govan has had in the past a large Irish population. Supposedly Celtic took the open top bus with the European Cup through Govan in 67
31-08-2019, 12:00 PM
Cataplana

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Originally Posted by BS44

Doesn't answer your question but Govan has had in the past a large Irish population. Supposedly Celtic took the open top bus with the European Cup through Govan in 67

There was no open topped bus in 1967. There was a lorry and it went through the East End to Parkhead.
31-08-2019, 12:03 PM
Cataplana

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Originally Posted by Billy Whizz

Why were they allowed to walk around Govan in the 1st place

Because the other side is allowed to walk in areas that are provocative, as well. Say what you like about the weedgies, when it comes to fair play on bigotry they are centuries ahead of us.
31-08-2019, 04:29 PM
BS44

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Originally Posted by Cataplana

There was no open topped bus in 1967. There was a lorry and it went through the East End to Parkhead.

Okay. The European Cup was supposedly taken to a area in Govan called Wine Alley
31-08-2019, 05:05 PM
Cataplana

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Originally Posted by BS44

Okay. The European Cup was supposedly taken to a area in Govan called Wine Alley

Right, that's an interesting story, and I haven't heard it before. Sounds like an urban myth, to be honest.

You did make me curious though, and as far as I can find out, the cup did not go through Govan, they crossed the Clyde at the Clyde Tunnel.

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The ensuing bus trip through the streets of Glasgow was just amazing. Contrary to what some people have said since about how good we felt passing Ibrox with the European Cup, we did not go that route. Indeed, the itinerary had been laid out in the evening papers. We headed towards the city from the airport, cut north through the Clyde Tunnel, then travelled east along Argyle Street and the Gallowgate to Parkhead Cross, came down Springfield Road and then west along London Road to the driveway up to the front door of Celtic Park.

https://www.football50.co.uk/26th-may-1967-homecoming/

Wine Alley (Moorepark) seems to be quite a bit off the route - but as the M8 was not there in 1967, I wonder if they could have made a diversion?

Some stuff here about the diversity of Govan, https://thecelticstar.com/green-whit...story-edition/
31-08-2019, 06:40 PM
cabbageandribs1875

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but i thought the union/loyalist filth didn't like marches, well, they didn't like last nights march anyway....or ANY marches but their sectarian ones

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