Correct. Why would anyone care that millions of people voted that way. What do they know? Really, how many of them come on here to be enlightened? 😂😈Quote:
Originally Posted by johnbc70
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Correct. Why would anyone care that millions of people voted that way. What do they know? Really, how many of them come on here to be enlightened? 😂😈Quote:
Originally Posted by johnbc70
We seem to have drifted off topic a little.
But while we're talking UKIP, here's their former Chairman in Scotland
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...-west-38638372
Nice chap!Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
After he was arrested he got one phone call and a roll of toilet paper.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
I dare say the folk who voted for Trump are mostly folk who see themselves as disaffected voters and buy into his anti 'political' establishment rhetoric ...... What worries me is how many of them will buy into his frenzied attack on the US media. Its one thing to attack reporting and press articles if you can back up that attack with hard evidence and prove that what was reported is either at best inaccurate, at worst a downright lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnbc70
But Trump is not doing that, he has immediately launched an offensive against the whole of the media and is trying to establish a climate in the USA where nothing they say will be accepted as the truth by his supporters, no matter how truthful it is. The spat over how big the crowd was at his inauguration being a case in point ...... there is a raft of evidence to show that his turn out was considerably smaller than Obama's and given the circumstances, IE .. that Obama was America's first black president, there should be no surprise or embarrassment for Trump attached to that. But instead of shrugging his shoulders and giving it a 'so what' he has tried to say that the press and TV have for some reason lied about that ... it was astonishing watching his press aid nearly having an aneurism as he ranted at and harangued the open mouthed White House press corps.
A man with an ego that can be so easily bruised and who is trying to turn everybody against the last bastion available to 'the people' when all else fails ...... a free press .... cant be good for democracy. How long before he is able to deflect criticism or the genuine uncovering of incompetence or nefarious goings on just by tweeting ..... 'fake news' .... and what's his next move after that, new laws to gag the press and media by the back door, journalists being arrested for breaking his 'fake news' legislation?
He is very clever though I'll give him that. Its easy to rant on about the career politicians in the "Washington swamp" and exaggerate the state they have made of the current US economy and of course blame them for the economic failings of the past decade or so ..... what people seem to forget and something Trump and his ilk love to see forgotten or ignored is that yes politicians were to blame, but only in so much as they failed to curb the excesses of people just like him whose unfettered and unchecked greed was the real reason the worlds economy went tits up.
Its really hard to understand why people who vote for the likes of Trump and Farage in the UK with their so called populist politics seem utterly blind to the fact that far from being the solution to the problem they were the folk who caused it in the first place ..... No doubt some folk will benefit from Trump being president, but if you ask me a hell of a lot more than that wont.
The Americans love to boast that in their country 'anybody can make it if they work hard enough or have talent' ..... but I've always thought that the downside and unspoken opposite of that is an attitude that bubbles under the surface of 'if you cant make it and are unable to work hard enough or just plain unlucky then hell mend you' ........ The likes of Trump and the people he is surrounding himself with will I fear ramp that up 100% and the 'land of the free' inhabited by the ill educated, unwell, disabled and disadvantaged will be a bloody miserable place to exist.
Indeed, let's keep putting fingers in ears and go la la la la la and watch as the likes of Brexit and Trump happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by beensaidbefore
Maybe if the people were listened to instead of being passed off as narrow minded twats as some on here have called them we would not be on this situation.
Interesting proposal. You could call it the 'hug a bigot' policy :aok:Quote:
Originally Posted by johnbc70
For me the crux of the problem is the silent voters those who won't say which way they are voting for fear of being labelled a bigot racist or any other name. Why not have a reasoned and fair debate instead of name calling. Some of the videos being shown by the anti trump protests better belief. There is one of a trump supporter getting her hair set on for by anti trump surely that negates all the protests they are doing. There is also one of protesters shouting about how it is a police state and duck the police but yet call for someone to be arrested who dares to stand up to them you couldn't make it up
I wonder what a typical Ukip supporter might say -Quote:
Originally Posted by johnbc70
'Immigrants out'
'No Blacks No Dogs No Irish allowed'
'Hang them high'
'Rule Brittania'
Sieg Heil'
'Kill the lefties'
etcetera etcetera.
Glory Glory
Possibly. But surely not everyone who voted for brexit?Quote:
Originally Posted by northstandhibby
Of course not. I was being flippant but Ukip is undoubtedly full of undesirable BNP type elements and there's also no doubt in my mind the brexit vote was won by a huge bunch of extreme right wing little englanders exploiting fears of immigration and stoking up undeserved resentment towards the EU.Quote:
Originally Posted by beensaidbefore
Glory Glory
I suppose, but when does a huge bunch become a valid number? The way things are at the moment it seems the bunch is getting bigger.Quote:
Originally Posted by northstandhibby
A free press? You think the press is free whilst the bulk of it is owned by a few powerful corporations?Quote:
Originally Posted by NAE NOOKIE
Attachment 17982
On the positive side.
There might be a number of countries in the the world that will be happy if Trump tries to put America first and leaves them alone.
The definition of a free press is a press that can say what it wants unfettered by government interference no matter the subject matter ...... Who owns it and their input into its political stance is a different matter, as we all know the right wing press dominates the landscape in the UK because most of the papers are owned by right wing publishers and no doubt the press in the US works the same way with the political outlook of whoever owns it bye and large determining its editorial policy.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenLake
None of that prevents anybody with the money or the will to do it setting up a newspaper or other media outlet that can set out the opposite political viewpoint ....... the founding of the 'The National' in Scotland as a direct response to the overwhelming siding of the main papers with the unionist side being a classic example.
When governments start painting all of the news media as liars and 'fake news' pedlars and telling people that the only thing that can be believed is what they say and their spouting of 'alternative truths' on twitter .... that's when they start making inroads into the freedom of the press.
Trump and the Media deserve each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by NAE NOOKIE
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Originally Posted by makaveli1875
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Originally Posted by makaveli1875
You've listed 5 seperate choices ???
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Originally Posted by NAE NOOKIE
:top marks:applause: Terrific post
The story so far...
To recap:
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the DOJ’s Violence Against Women programs.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the National Endowment for the Arts.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the National Endowment for the Humanities.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Minority Business Development Agency.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Economic Development Administration.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the International Trade Administration.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Manufacturing Extension Partnership.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Community Oriented Policing Services.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Legal Services Corporation.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Civil Rights Division of the DOJ.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Environmental and Natural Resources Division of the DOJ.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Overseas Private Investment Corporation.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Electricity Deliverability and Energy Reliability.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy.
* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Fossil Energy.
* On January 20th, 2017, DT ordered all regulatory powers of all federal agencies frozen.
* On January 20th, 2017, DT ordered the National Parks Service to stop using social media after RTing factual, side by side photos of the crowds for the 2009 and 2017 inaugurations.
* On January 20th, 2017, roughly 230 protestors were arrested in DC and face unprecedented felony riot charges. Among them were legal observers, journalists, and medics.
* On January 20th, 2017, a member of the International Workers of the World was shot in the stomach at an anti-fascist protest in Seattle. He remains in critical condition.
* On January 21st, 2017, DT brought a group of 40 cheerleaders to a meeting with the CIA to cheer for him during a speech that consisted almost entirely of framing himself as the victim of dishonest press.
* On January 21st, 2017, White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer held a press conference largely to attack the press for accurately reporting the size of attendance at the inaugural festivities, saying that the inauguration had the largest audience of any in history, “period.”
* On January 22nd, 2017, White House advisor Kellyann Conway defended Spicer’s lies as “alternative facts” on national television news.
* On January 22nd, 2017, DT appeared to blow a kiss to director James Comey during a meeting with the FBI, and then opened his arms in a gesture of strange, paternal affection, before hugging him with a pat on the back.
* On January 23rd, 2017, DT reinstated the global gag order, which defunds international organizations that even mention abortion as a medical option.
* On January 23rd, 2017, Spicer said that the US will not tolerate China’s expansion onto islands in the South China Sea, essentially threatening war with China.
* On January 23rd, 2017, DT repeated the lie that 3-5 million people voted “illegally” thus costing him the popular vote.
* On January 23rd, 2017, it was announced that the man who shot the anti-fascist protester in Seattle was released without charges, despite turning himself in.
* On January 24th, 2017, Spicer reiterated the lie that 3-5 million people voted “illegally” thus costing DT the popular vote.
* On January 24th, 2017, DT tweeted a picture from his personal Twitter account of a photo he says depicts the crowd at his inauguration and will hang in the White House press room. The photo is curiously dated January 21st, 2017, the day AFTER the inauguration and the day of the Women’s March, the largest inauguration related protest in history.
* On January 24th, 2017, the EPA was ordered to stop communicating with the public through social media or the press and to freeze all grants and contracts.
* On January 24th, 2017, the USDA was ordered to stop communicating with the public through social media or the press and to stop publishing any papers or research. All communication with the press would also have to be authorized and vetted by the White House.
* On January 24th, 2017, HR7, a bill that would prohibit federal funding not only to abortion service providers, but to any insurance coverage, including Medicaid, that provides abortion coverage, went to the floor of the House for a vote.
* On January 24th, 2017, Director of the Department of Health and Human Service nominee Tom Price characterized federal guidelines on transgender equality as “absurd.”
* On January 24th, 2017, DT ordered the resumption of construction on the Dakota Access Pipeline, while the North Dakota state congress considers a bill that would legalize hitting and killing protestors with cars if they are on roadways.
* On January 24th, 2017, it was discovered that police officers had used confiscated cell phones to search the emails and messages of the 230 demonstrators now facing felony riot charges for protesting on January 20th, including lawyers and journalists whose email accounts contain privileged information of clients and sources.
And most recently: the wall and a ban on Muslims entering from a large number of countries and the end to accepting Syrian refugees.
A busy man.
****ing mental. Can I copy/paste and use elswhere please?Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
That's frightening.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
It must be easy to follow through on electoral promises when you actually do no give a single **** about the world around you. Trumps ego, thin skin and inpulsiveness make him a very, very dangerous man.
I see he's reneged on his promise to release his tax returns once the audit was complete. He now says they will never see the light of day. :hmmm:
And he's STILL pushing the lie, with no evidence at all, that millions voted illegally, and is now promising an investigation. He isn't playing with a full deck.
Of course :aok: I'm sure it will be getting added to as the days go on. Building A Fascist State- A Beginners Guide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
Don't worry, our PM will head over, talk him straight and then we'll "lead, together, again"... whatever the fk that means.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
It means roughly the same as 'Brexit means Brexit' ie 'I don't have a ****ing clue what I'm doing'.Quote:
Originally Posted by steakbake
Brilliant post :faf: LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
Sums it up perfectly.
Keep waiting for May to crumble at one of her stage managed soundbite sessions and admit she hasn't a clue and can we all be very nice to her instead of asking important difficult questions about brexit as they UK will be up keech creek without a paddlle.
Glory Glory
That is beyond mental. Is there a site where someone is compiling everything he does and is that where your list came from? Cheers.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
It's troo, but.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
He got it from Bernhard Langer.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7546606.html
On January 25th he fired the entire Senior Management team from the State Department. Well, they resigned en-masse but resign is code for "you're fired" at that level.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
The lastest plan is to publish a weekly list of crimes commited by immigrants.
I wonder if the native American people will be asked to contribute? It could take a while.....
When they define immigrants, how far back are they going?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Boy
:greengrin