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16-11-2009, 05:52 PM
Toaods

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

I see.

Your post was taking the moral high ground on the right side of the law by suggesting that "Road Safety" had somehow scored 4.

you are a man who seems to enjoy a stat or two, I simply gave you one (so to speak) to add to your collection.

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

Personally, I haven't ever sung the Mercer song, but your comparison is flawed.

Mercer tried to kill Hibs.

The 4 teenagers that died, had no connection to Hibs at all.

I'll have to take your word that you've never sung although I didn't say you personally had. I'd suggest there's few that haven't participated at some stage or in some shape or form.

Of course we all know Mercer tried to 'kill' Hibs as you put it, but whilst I wouldn't expect these lads to have any connection to Hibs, you never know, stranger things have happened.
16-11-2009, 05:58 PM
Toaods

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

It was young guys, some still children.

I will be utterly surprised if they aren't found to have been speeding or drunk or on drugs.

But I don't find it a cause for celebration.

4 - 0 for Road Safety, my erse.

You should come to my work and voice that thought. Seriously.

Why do you continue this vein of 'celebration' on my part...:confused:

I have no interest in where you work or what you do, although I might have hazarded a guess at some Insurance type firm, perhaps now NHS. Don't bother responding though, no need.
16-11-2009, 06:05 PM
Phil D. Rolls

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

I agree, but where is the debate?

What debate could there possibly have been?

"Boy Racers are good for society."

"Naw theyre no."

I don't believe for a nano second that there was any legitimate tactic behind the OP.

Otherwise we'd know what is was by now.

Instead we get the usual dismissive PC brigade defence.

That's as bad as playing the race card, imo.

Who knows where it could have gone? Maybe people who had suffered at the hands of boy racers might have felt that they had a relevant story to tell.

OK, try and stay on your seats, I see the whole thing in the same way that I regarded the Marcus Harvey portrait of Myra Hindley. Very harrowing that he used children's hand prints to build up the image. However by provoking our senses he made people think about what was so abhorrent about Hindley.

Maybe a bit pretentious, so how about the Sex Pistols signing their record deal with A&M outside Buckingham Palace?

Well maybe not. But it could have been, anyway I hear the sound of women in false beards in the distance. I'm offski Jehova!
16-11-2009, 06:16 PM
Hibbyradge

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Originally Posted by Toaods

you are a man who seems to enjoy a stat or two, I simply gave you one (so to speak) to add to your collection.

Amazing foresight you have there.

You knew I was going to post some statistics about road deaths so you posted one first. Clever stuff.

I could be wrong, but I think there was a hint of sherry on your lips and you posted a crass and insensitive thread.

Being the man you are, you can't admit that though.

But I could be wrong about speed, drink and or drugs being involved in the accident too.

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Originally Posted by Toaods

I'll have to take your word that you've never sung although I didn't say you personally had. I'd suggest there's few that haven't participated at some stage or in some shape or form.[/COLOR]

Of course we all know Mercer tried to 'kill' Hibs as you put it, but whilst I wouldn't expect these lads to have any connection to Hibs, you never know, stranger things have happened.[/COLOR]

By the way, I can understand people celebrating when someone they hate dies.

It's different, not hypocritical.

I'm not in insurance or the NHS.
16-11-2009, 06:40 PM
hibsbollah

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Originally Posted by Filled Rolls

There is no "good taste" or "bad taste", just "personal taste". In the same way there are no good colours or bad colours. Therefore I think that all we can really do is state why we don't like a thing.

Let me stress, I find no pleasure in these youngsters' death. I can understand why someone could though.

I'm glad you've said this plainly so its absolutely clear what you believe. Your 'moral relativism' basically rejects any notion of ethics and morals, as has been said already, its quite close to 'nihilism' or belief in nothing.

Its quite a useful philosophical position for messageboard debating, but it can be difficult to know what you actually believe in. It will also result in you offending lots of people who do believe in universal right and wrongs. Personally, I can't imagine life without a set of moral values.
16-11-2009, 06:55 PM
Dashing Bob S

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Originally Posted by ArabHibee

I'm going to assume that as the oldest lad was 17, he was the driver. So this would mean that he would have had no more than 9 months experience of driving since he passed his test. Sorry, I'll rephrase that, 9 months of legal experience of driving.

On another note, I would have had my erse tanned for being out at that time at that age. Changed days I suppose.

Did you frequent the Calton Hill?

(Only joking AH! My god, this thread needs a bit of levity.)
16-11-2009, 07:15 PM
Phil D. Rolls

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Originally Posted by hibsbollah

I'm glad you've said this plainly so its absolutely clear what you believe. Your 'moral relativism' basically rejects any notion of ethics and morals, as has been said already, its quite close to 'nihilism' or belief in nothing.

Its quite a useful philosophical position for messageboard debating, but it can be difficult to know what you actually believe in. It will also result in you offending lots of people who do believe in universal right and wrongs. Personally, I can't imagine life without a set of moral values.

Yes, I can see what you're saying. It's one thing to respect other people's right to have values, but you still have to have your own values. There also comes a point where you have to say whether or not you agree with the other person's stance.

I do find it hard to get too annoyed at other people's opinions. If I was describe my philosophy in any way I'd say it leans towards humanism. I think that we all have our own individual take on life, and that we should be true to that.

I said earlier, you can understand someone yet not agree with them. Another way of looking at that is that you can't disagree with someone if you don't understand them. How can we hope to understand people if we don't give them a chance to state their case.

I think I explained my personal views on the crash and the boys' deaths in several posts on this thread. I did not want to judge Toaods as I felt he hadn't fully explained his stance earlier.

What else can I say? I think they were probably up to mischief, but there is nothing to confirm this. I think they have died in tragic circumstances. I wish that people would stop driving at speeds they aren't able to deal with.

I spoke to a girl last week who had lost three members of her family due to joyriders. How harshly could I judge her if she thought this accident was some form of divine justice. Every story has different angles.
16-11-2009, 07:20 PM
Phil D. Rolls

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Originally Posted by Dashing Bob S

Did you frequent the Calton Hill?

(Only joking AH! My god, this thread needs a bit of levity.)

Well personally I think that there is a place for Jewish comedians and this isn't it. :agree: But I will fight to my dying breath to preserve the right of others to like, or dislike, Mr. Levity or indeed his sidekick with the non semitic name Calton Hill - sounds like a toff actually. (Have I got this right?)
16-11-2009, 08:30 PM
Toaods

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

Amazing foresight you have there.

You knew I was going to post some statistics about road deaths so you posted one first. Clever stuff.

I could be wrong, but I think there was a hint of sherry on your lips and you posted a crass and insensitive thread.

Being the man you are, you can't admit that though.

But I could be wrong about speed, drink and or drugs being involved in the accident too.

I gave it collectively to any interested party, you were not the specific intended recipient or I may have PM'd you. I'll not take your opinion on my masculinity too seriously though but thanks all the same for your concern...:wink:

By the way, I can understand people celebrating when someone they hate dies.

It's different, not hypocritical.

I'm not in insurance or the NHS. oh well.

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16-11-2009, 08:34 PM
Hibbyradge

I thought you said you gave me one to add to my collection.

I really must stop believing what you say.

I'm not concerned about your masculinity. :wink:
16-11-2009, 09:30 PM
Toaods

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

I thought you said you gave me one to add to my collection.

I really must stop believing what you say.

I'm not concerned about your masculinity. :wink:

You were part of the collective were you not? Its there for anyone that can be arsed reading it people can believe what they like.
16-11-2009, 09:53 PM
Jonnyboy

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Originally Posted by Toaods

let me just say too, that I don't derive any pleasure from their deaths, I merely posted a link and a title with what I would surrmise the resultant enquiry will reveal.

Those who seem to be foaming at the mouth infer I am out of order with my wrong conclusions as they could have been an outside influence, ie wet road, dodgy brake, etc.

Will be interesting to see which way the mood swings if they are wacked out of their heads on drugs or were drinking driving after spending the night in some Brummie night club, god forbid it might even have been the two together. Has it been ascertained they weren't at fault racing some other mob who have made themselves well scarce? Maybe they were doing something similar to the whatever it is to South Queensferry cashline run, timed by a bank balance enquiry slip.
Time will tell...

(eneter list of reasons why it's probably not the driver's fault)

Equally Dave it will be interesting to see which way your mood swings if you've got it totally wrong and that despite the hour these kids were simply involved in a very unfortunate accident.

Like you, I don't know the facts. All I do know is that four young people lost their lives and regardless of the circumstances that saddens me. I'm not being moralistic, fatalistic or any other kind of 'ic' by the way :wink:
16-11-2009, 11:56 PM
Toaods

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Originally Posted by Jonnyboy

Equally Dave it will be interesting to see which way your mood swings if you've got it totally wrong and that despite the hour these kids were simply involved in a very unfortunate accident.

Like you, I don't know the facts. All I do know is that four young people lost their lives and regardless of the circumstances that saddens me. I'm not being moralistic, fatalistic or any other kind of 'ic' by the way :wink:

we shall see, although if I'm 'totally' wrong :wink: I won't have any problem saying so, not that it would make much difference one way or the other.
17-11-2009, 12:03 AM
Toaods

"wanted to be a racer like Lewis Hamilton".......

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-Siraj-16.html

"the car was described as 'smashed to smithereens'. "

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-..._School_Killed

think we've got all we need then.

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