Just read the highlighted bit again and I think you'll have answered your own question.Quote:
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Just read the highlighted bit again and I think you'll have answered your own question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
The PA in the West Bank would accept Isreal. It’s why Netanyahu always undermines them and builds up Hamas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcas...=1000631988366
Worth a listen.
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They won't they are the ones who suffer the retaliation which is horribly unfair and avoidable. If they see kids being shot and women raped as fair retribution then they are as warped as war can make someoneQuote:
Originally Posted by MKHIBEE
I doubt many isrealis will think its fair retribution. Infact every poll says they want Hamas destroyed completely. I would bet a majority of Scot’s would be the same if even adjusting for pops, 1000 were killed by terrorists and 100 odd were taken hostage.
Their population will only be happy when Hamas is destroyed which I think basically can't happen.
But still do the people calling for a ceasefire want a temporary one to get aid and move people or a permanent one where that is it settled
No way can you destroy Hamas militarily. The only way to destroy Hamas is to offer a better solution to the Palestinians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Revive the two state solution but only to the West Bank. Clear out the settlements and tell Gazans that they can have that too if they get rid of Hamas.
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It doesn't. There is nuances. Obviously almost everyone the current bombing is too indiscriminate but do they agree that Isreal can destroy the terrorists. Most agreed with wiping out isis but that caused thousands of civilian deaths in capturing Mosul. Some want Ukraine to ceasefire but others say they should be able to take back their land which will cause innocent deaths although Ukraine appears to be minimisingQuote:
Originally Posted by grunt
I personally agree completely with all of that. Both sides need to have freedom and as they have lived for generations now both deserve to exist, I think anyone that thinks differently are terrible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I hope isreal one day get a leader that respects that, stops killing kids stops stops stealing more land.
Will not happen anytime soon. Isreal Hamas and Iran will see to that
It's gone beyond the point of stopping land grabs, they need to compromise and give some back. But that's never going to happen, there are too many third parties who have nothing to lose by arming and training Palestinian extremists and too many Israelis who have been given their promised land on Palestinian territory. Peace just isn't an option.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
You Nobel Peace Prize is in the post.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
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Starmer working really hard here to say nothing at all.[emoji35]
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The only Party preventing supplies getting in is Isreal. Remember, Keir, the one you gave unequivocal support to?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Found this interesting. I thought the support for just Palestine would be higher. Perhaps due to Iran influence and Turkeys disagreements there
William Armstrong
@WJ_Armstrong
Interesting poll in Turkey on the Israel-Gaza war:
34.5% say Ankara should be neutral.
26.4% say it should mediate between the sides.
18.1% say it should support the Palestinians but be distant from Hamas.
11.3% say it should support Hamas.
3% say it should support Israel
Lots of talk that Qatar led hostage negotiations have said the 200 hostages could be released if there is a full ceasefire.
Further Hamas leadership and apparatus would agree to leave Gaza for Lebanon. PLO had the same happen and it was a disaster causing war in Lebanon
https://twitter.com/KimGhattas/statu...19469893865796
What comes first, the release or the ceasefire? Isreal have already said the hostages must be released firstQuote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
A report on how some are trying to ensure that support for the Palestinians is unseenQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2...gain-and-again
Al Jazeera now reporting that Isreal are stopping Palestinians travelling to a mosque for prayers in the Occupied West Bank. Hardly seismic with what’s happening, just another piece of the dehumanising process of the Palestinians.
Although I agree with most of what he says that's about the least impartial article I've ever read 😆Quote:
Originally Posted by MKHIBEE
It doesn’t mean it’s not an accurate reflection of what’s happening. We see impartial accounts of the conflict every day in the west. I find it refreshing to hear how Palestinians see things through their eyes. The constant barrage of pro Israeli propaganda is wearing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
I said I agreed with most it's just not something you would see in a paper. Isreal are baby killers and Palestine should be allowed to hit back is telling half the story, condem both for what happened he has nevermentioned the terrorism in any of his articles. He complains protests and actions around the world get unfairly labelled the "vacuous rhetorical canard, “anti-Semitism”" which is just vile imo, there is massive anti semitism rising from burning synagogues to murdered Jewish leaders. He's dismissing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MKHIBEE
I don't think his article helps just like any one sided article. The evidence is there for all Gaza is being flattened and kids shot by snipers. I don't know where you get your media but I think most have been pretty fair in saying Hamas were disgraceful but Isreal are now collectively punishing Gaza
I know it's a tiny thing, but are all the misspellings of Israel on this thread deliberate? Can't work out if I'm missing out on some private joke or not.
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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Except that’s not what they are saying. They are calling Hamas terrorists, which is fair enough, but we are still subject to the only defence they can come up with, that Isreal has the right to defend itself. Both Hamas and the Israeli regime are, imo, guilty of war crimes. Guess which side won’t face any charges. It will be the Apartheid Isreal regime. Ever hear Western media call them that? Or call the West Bank, basically Palestine, the Occupied West Bank? The Israelis who steal land and houses are called settlers, not what they are, colonisers, or perhaps thieves. There is an effort to collectively dehumanise the Palestinian population in order to give the Israeli actions credence. We hear about the call for a “ humanitarian corridor” To do what? Feed, water and treat them before continuing to slaughter them? There is no call for a ceasefire, the West is complicit in the slaughter of thousands of innocent men, women and children by their inaction. Hamas are equally as guilty but who gets the terrorist label?
You need to read different media if that's all your getting. Twitter is awful if your not careful but you can choose what you read. Follow bellingcat, skwakbox, bywire, guardian, the I, the mirror. I think that in general the wests reporting has been pretty fair and pro Palestinian publicQuote:
Originally Posted by MKHIBEE
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/the-rules-war-must-followed-31281785
With UNICEF reporting 2,360 children have been killed in less than three weeks in Gaza, the Israeli bombardment is a merciless slaughter of innocents.
Hamas murdering 1,400 Israelis in the October 7 pogrom was a barbarous war crime but this mass killing of Palestinians is a grotesque abuse of international law. Israel has an absolute right to defend itself yet the rules of war must also be followed. It is not happening in Gaza where ordinary people are being denied food, water, medical care and power as bombs and missiles fall.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/23/israel-west-moralism-hypocrisy-veto/
Israel’s bombing of Gaza undercuts the West’s Ukraine moralism
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/global/commentisfree/2023/oct/18/uk-politicians-israel-hamas-war-tory-labour-israeli-crimes
Tory and Labour reluctance to criticise the Israeli government could make our leaders complicit in war crimes – the public needs to speak out
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/21/opinion/israel-gaza-palestine-children.html
We Must Not Kill Gazan Children to Try to Protect Israel’s Children
https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-gaza-war-crimes-icc-1a42212b95a7f6ce54909fb22e0d681d
Experts say Hamas and Israel are committing war crimes in their fight
Anas Sarwar and Sadiq Khan both call for a ceasefire
https://twitter.com/AnasSarwar/statu...76719166672938
Thank you for telling me what I need to read. It’s not a question of what I am getting from the the media, more of a question of that which is being omitted from the mainstream, as r mentioned in my earlier post. As for getting my information from twitter, do me a favour, it’s a cesspit which is why I left over 3 months ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
I just put up links to the mainstream condemning and saying isreal is committing war crimes. They are so it's fair enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by MKHIBEE
Twitter only a cesspit if you read the for you tab. On following you can follow like 5 people and just get whatever they post, you literally only see what you choose to follow. I think it's really easy to not see the right wing bile and disinformation. All I follow are some journalists I like and a few music, history and sports pages.
I’m glad someone else asked that as its been bugging me for weeks. Still no answer though.Quote:
Originally Posted by McSwanky
That Hamas guying running out of the interview when confronted with the facts on murder, torture, kidnapping etc. What ****ing planet?
This is a mess. It's going to get a lot worse before it carries on getting a lot worse and then perhaps eventually falls into an exhausted state of hostility ie what it was just before the Hamas attack.
I literally cannot see any coherent way forward here. Unless Hamas leave Gaza Israel is rightly going to carry on going after them. Good, they need removing. But if this continues to be done in Gaza rather than elsewhere then innocent people are going to carry on being killed in large numbers. So how does this get moved on in any way that is sane?
There is a military response to be delivered here certainly, but there can only be a political solution.
What can Palestinians do to end this? Nothing that I can think of short of kicking out Hamas, which they can't do because Hamas run Gaza. And anyway the senior Hamas figures are holed up in Qatar. And kicking out Hamas doesn't equal getting a settlement.
What can Israel do to end this? Nothing that I can think of short of declaring a ceasefire and accepting the massacres perpetrated by Hamas, which they can't do because it won't be accepted domestically, it would embolden Hamas (and other similar groups) and it would encourage others in the region - principally Iran - to believe Israel is weak and unwilling to defend itself.
I suppose it would be theoretically possible for an Israeli leader to perform a massive 'turn the other cheek' and reach out for peace and a settlement. But who would they even speak to on the other side? What is the Palestinian voice and who embodies it?
I think the best outcome we get here is weeks, probably months, of IDF actions against Hamas wherever it think it can find them. Continued indiscriminate rocket attacks on Israel. Eventual war exhaustion among both ordinary Palestinians and Israelis. Netanyahu dumped in the next elections, if not before (I certainly think he's toast anyway). The Israel/Saudi accord forced through somehow. Then the longer game of hoping it isn't Trump, that Putin falls and that the Mullahs get their ***** kicked by the Iranian population. That's a pretty rose tinted view of it in my opinion.
I would say that Iran is playing a very, very dangerous game here and a reckless one. I'd imagine that a number of intelligence agencies will be working overtime to try and make sure they don't become a nuclear power.
https://x.com/humzayousaf/status/171...dxJXScFNwz8V4A
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I dont understand why a ceasefire is needed for humanitarian aid going in. Why should that stop them from sending in aid in to the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Does a ceasefire not allow Hamas time to regroup and sort there logistics. It should be a given that essential aid is allowed in.
The Israelis will never accept a ceasefire the public wouldn't allow it
Agree with all of thatQuote:
Originally Posted by One Day Soon
More than half the Israeli population now against the current approach being taken by their government. On that basis, what “public” won’t “allow” it? How will they achieve that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Looks like we might be at the beginning of the ground invasion?
Two polls of 1k people this week say they want retribution, not huge pollsQuote:
Originally Posted by tamig
"When asked the question what should be Israel’s primary objective?”, 70% of the public answered to “eliminate Hamas”, 15% answered to “secure the unconditional release of captives held by Hamas”,
"When poll respondents were given the option of launching a ground operation in Gaza to eradicate Hamas or avoiding a ground operation and finding another way to deal with Hamas, 68% chose the former and 25% the latter solution"
A lot a running with a third poll that say 49% believe in holding off a ground invasion just now, 29% wanting a ground offensive now 22% undecided. But it's only 500 people that's why the same poll last week had 65% saying invasion now, the kind of swing you get with 500 people.
Another poll said the majority do not trust the government to deal with the problem which I think is the one your talking about, but that is more about Netanyahu
Even if against starting a ground invasion which is obviously different, I've not seen a poll that says they don't want retaliation or hamas destroyed or a ceasefire?
As for how they achieve it I suppose they will hope to mirror the destruction of isis. It was a semi state at one point held a third of Syria and 40% of Iraq. A coalition bombed all weapons and logistics hubs, all military vehicles, bombed a good part of the hierarchy, they retook Mosul and Raqqa the two main cities in a ground offensive. Isis lost 95% of its land in one year and then were basically destroyed
Honestly feel sick looking at the news this morning…then you have that absolute twonk Cleverley saying calls for a ceasefire won’t help the situation. I am disgusted by the elected officials in this country from both sides.
Now that it has begun, we can only hope they achieve their objective quickly and as few people as possible die.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
What comes after is up to Isreal then. I’m not hopeful.
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Would you like to drive an aid truck into a country that's being carpet bombed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
There's been 25 trucks go through this week. What has held them back is the borders being closed not agencies willing to take them over the border.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Or targetedQuote:
Originally Posted by grunt
Or targetedQuote:
Originally Posted by grunt
I think people are putting up posters and sitting with there phone waiting for them to be ripped. No doubt your an idiot for ripping them but entrapment maybe. New Yorkers don't seem happy mind
https://twitter.com/nyscanner/status...35965472199062
Chris law was forced from the microphone for saying he has sympathy for both sides and that he backs a two state future. Harsh as he's been very pro Palestine and has called for a ceasefire and hit out at Israel
https://twitter.com/heckle_scot/stat...20455700857310
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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
That's the problem when extremists are involved. They don't to want hear reasoned arguments.
Speaking of extremistsQuote:
Originally Posted by Keith_M
https://news.sky.com/story/israel-ha...efire-12996701
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https://x.com/raggedtp/status/171903...dxJXScFNwz8V4A
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That is horrendous and unfortunately happening all over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Talks are apparently taking place again today in Qatar, hopefully some good comes from them.
Egyptian PM again says he will refuse any refugees even with Israeli pressure as has been suggested. Taking refugees in is a red line he says.
There are understandable reasons to not take refugees in this situation when forcing the Palestinians out of Palestine is the goal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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He said along the lines of he doesn't want terrorism coming to his land after defeating it in the Sinai. Government official said on taking 1 million refugees “Well, I am going to send them to Europe. You care about human rights so much – well, you take them.”Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I think he's right Europe should take the burden especially, if the EU nations agree Israel has the right to destroy Hamas, refugees are the consequence of that course
Europe maybe should have taken the burden of finding a homeland in Europe for the Jews in the first place. Make no mistake though, the Egyptians hate the Palestinians as much as the Israelis. The people of Gaza have nowhere to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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About 100 years too late for that. Every right minded person agrees that both Israel and Palestine deserve a free country in that land. Israel should be condemned and sanctioned like Russia if they keep stealing more land though, it obviously won't happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Iran backed Houthis announce full war on Israel, just what we need
What does this mean in real terms though? Yemen is miles away from Israel so how does Iran leverage them in any way?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Where is this covered?
Iran completely supplies their army. A drone was just shot down in Israel fired from Yemen. Russia has shown what damage Iranian drones can doQuote:
Originally Posted by DaveF
Isreal should have been sanctioned years ago, as you say, it’s not going to happen anytimeQuote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Yemens armed forces spokesman long post, but to be honest their official moto has in it "death to America, death to Israel", so its not big news haQuote:
Originally Posted by MKHIBEE
https://twitter.com/army21ye/status/1719340968812425410
In the name of God, the most gracious, the most merciful
God Almighty said (( There is no aggression except against the wrongdoers ))
"We targeted enemy (Israel) positions with ballistic missiles and drones... This is third operation in support of our brothers in #Palestine...We will continue to carry out more qualitative strikes with missiles & drones until #Israeli aggression stops"
The absolute destruction of Jabalia, targeted I don't ******g think so
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/s...73987010982225
Murder of civilians supported by Sunak and Starmer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Might get slaughtered for this because it’s Piers Morgan but I saw a video of him interviewing a guy who is the son of one of the founders of Hamas.
He resigned from Hamas after seeing what they were doing to Palestine.
He reckons the Palestinians will be out on the streets celebrating it Hamas leaves power.
Supported and encouraged. Shameful.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveF
Doesn't surprise me to be honest, seen lots of interviews over the years where ordinary Palestinians say they want rid of Hamas once it became clear what their priorities actually were.... only one lot have guns though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
They absolutely would be, I’m sure of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibs4185
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If there are any streets left to be out in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
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Or people to go into themQuote:
Originally Posted by Kato
Hamas will still be there, they are safe in the bunkers.[emoji849]Quote:
Originally Posted by MKHIBEE
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https://x.com/yasmeenserhan/status/1...dxJXScFNwz8V4A
This could be crucial next year.
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I'm assuming they are not going to vote at all as Trump would even more in the Israeli camp than Biden.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I assume so but that would be a problem for Biden. Places like Michigan were close and have lots of Muslims.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveF
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Piers Morgan interview for anyone interested
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B8YYmr...llcnMgbW9yZ2Fu
https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/new...-b2439299.html
One way of getting attention
Bellingcat do some confirmation on the appalling strikes on Jabalia Refugee Camp
https://twitter.com/bellingcat/statu...38310358000068
Egypt today are letting people with foreign passports through the border but they have to leave directly the country of passport.
They have also brought in a full tank devision to protect themselves from refugees a government Spokesperson said Egypt is “prepared to sacrifice millions of lives to ensure that no one encroaches upon our territory”
The poor people of Gaza really have nowhere to go from the bombing
Hamas spokesman says there will be more October 7ths and they will not stop until Israel is wiped out and Palestine returned. Why are both sides ran by evil monsters. Unless the government's on both sides are removed there can be no peace
https://twitter.com/arash_tehran/sta...89762724839600
https://x.com/jordanuhl/status/17194...dxJXScFNwz8V4A
https://x.com/middleeasteye/status/1...dxJXScFNwz8V4A
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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Sad but true.
True but the people of Palestine can’t get rid of Hamas and Israel can’t get rid of Hamas no matter how much they destroy Gaza and kill civilians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Hamas haven’t held elections since 2006ish so I think getting rid of them is the key to it but it’s never ending cycle.
Yip, if you don’t like Biden, wait till you see what Trump wants.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveF
His “peace” plan is basically just the Israelis plan. Cementing in the settlers, no discussion on return of territory moving the Palestine capital out of East Jerusalem.
Fantasy to think they would switch to Trump, but Biden does need to get them out to vote. Surely the threat of Trump should be enough?!?
J
More of this then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bristolhibby
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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
https://x.com/qudsnen/status/1719745...dxJXScFNwz8V4A
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What's the difference between this lot and the Nazis?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...box=1698925545
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That’s a good question, there are certainly similarities in their behaviour.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveF
Has evidence of slave Labour camps and gas chambers been uncovered ?Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveF
Similarities but a world of difference also. We shouldn't just bring up Nazi Germany all the time. It downplays millions killed in an industrial scale and also let's people deflect from the slaughter Israel is doing, as no its not the Nazis but its evilQuote:
Originally Posted by MKHIBEE
You know fine well what I mean. The clips of street beatings in nazi Germany are no different to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
Certainly parallelsQuote:
Originally Posted by DaveF
not surprised in the slightest by Lammy
David Lammy: Labour figure slammed for refugee camp bombing comments | The National
SHADOW foreign secretary David Lammy has been slammed after he told the BBC that an Israeli airstrike on a refugee camp “can be legally justified”.
It comes after Israel said the strike killed a senior Hamas commander, although it is understood there were more than 50 civilian casualties.
The shadow foreign secretary said the bombing was wrong "when it comes to the ethics," but insisted that "if there is a military objective it can be legally justifiable".
In response to Lammy’s comments, the Muslim Association of Britain said the senior Labour figure should be “ashamed” of himself.
We don’tQuote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
WowQuote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Good grief. There are no words.Quote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
Often like when police are brutal as in the clip. Chinese police battered anti covid protesters, the Met battered women protesting Sarah Everard murder, probably a closer comparison in the video than to this Nazis slaughter of millions.Quote:
Originally Posted by MKHIBEE
There is no protest going on in this clip. It's just people being beaten up because the authorities don't like something. I'd suggest that has got more similarities to 1930s Germany than the Met and protests.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Not when you take into account the Israeli government treatment, subjugation and murder of many Palestinians for yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Isreals disgusting treatment is similar to other genocides UK in Iraq, Serbia in Bosnia or Russia in Syria. Nazis was a industrial slaughter straight from train to gas chamber. I think it does a disservice to it comparing every bit of police brutality or slaughter to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
Hardly a big deal, in the end its clear the IDF an Israeli government are ****
So often = all the time? There is more to Nazism than simply beating people up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Reading that the IDF have split Gaza in two and have completely surrounded Gaza city. Not really sure what this means for the war but it doesn't seem good at all for a humanitarian corridor, not that Israel seems remotely interested in that anyway
I think this is madness and there can’t be a military solution to this problem but I am now hoping they can achieve some sort of success soon that they can call a win and then pull out. If the actually manage to deal a massive blow to Hamas then so much the better. Just hope it’s over soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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Germany has been the greatest supporter of Israel as the vice chancellor says Israels defence Germany's raison d'etre. He's released a video condemning Muslim groups in Germany for not distancing themselves from Hamas enough, says pro Palestinian demonstration and marches will stay banned, anyone caught praising Hamas or being anti semitic can lose their German citizenship if they have acquired it or lose the right to live in Germany.
Further the leader of the CDU the favorites for the next election wants all new citizens to pledge to the security of Israel to become a citizen.
https://www.exberliner.com/english-n...ognise-israel/
A terrible stance on demonstration, but perhaps at least understandable in a nation dealing with the past, usually very well imo
Hopefully soldiers on the ground might at least stop some of the indiscriminate bombing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I never realised just how muny of Hamas leadership were being housed and dinned in Qatar. They didn't advertise that during their World Cup
The Jewish community have been victims of rising antisemitism in Germany for the last couple of years. Around 80% of the recorded 2600+ penal acts inflicted on the Jewish community last year came from the extreme right. There's no way the CDU would demand that immigrants pledge security to Israel, they're trying to win back voters from the far right and such a move would just see them bleed even more voters to the AfD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
Since the Hamas attacks on Israel and the Israeli response, the Jewish community are now coming under attack from left wing extremists too. The German government have reacted in a balanced and fair manner imo, they have announced that any German citizens involved in antisemitism will find themselves in court and any non Germans might find they are no longer welcome in Germany. They now just need to turn those words into actions.
The Americans were the ones who set that up, amazingly. Qatar is a state sponsor of terrorism though and has been for too leniently dealt with for years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7
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