LC Final Tickets

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Originally Posted by Greenbeard

Next week?
Presume ST holders first dibs.
How many we likely to get?

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I haven't even bothered to read the rest of this thread. This question has been asked before when it comes to cup finals and there's only one answer, finals are played at a neutral venue for a reason and if you give one club less tickets than another it is no longer a neutral venue. The simple ( and only ) answer is that we get half the tickets because that's what we can sell .... If for some reason we can't then by all means we return some, but we all know that Hibs are easily capable of selling the 23,000 or so tickets we will be given for this game.

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Originally Posted by Chorley Hibee

I'd have every club official and player publicly refer to it as an away tie rather than a cup final now.

Let's start turning the heat up on these *******s for a change rather than meekly accepting it.

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Like it!

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

We’ve got all of section Q which is 6 sections.

Hibernian Support
• South Stand Lower Section O2 - Adults £45, Over 65 / Under-16 £27
• South Stand Lower Section P - Adults £40, Over 65 / Under-16 £22
• South Stand Upper Section Q - Adults £40, Over 65 / Under-16 £22
• West Stand Sections A & B - Adults £35, Over 65 / Under-16 £18
• South Stand Accessible Seating - Adults £18, Over 65 / Under-16 £6
• West Stand Accessible Seating - Adults £12, Over 65 / Under-16 £6
Celtic Support
• South Stand Lower Section J1 - Adults £45, Over 65 / Under-16 £27
• South Stand Lower Section I - Adults £40, Over 65 / Under-16 £22
• South Stand Upper Section H - Adults £40, Over 65 / Under-16 £22
• North Stand Sections C+D - Adults £40, Over 65 / Under-16 £22
• East Stand Sections F & G - Adults £35, Over 65 / Under-16 £18
• North Stand Accessible Seating - Adults £22, Over 65 / Under-16 £6
• South Stand Accessible Seating - Adults £18, Over 65 / Under-16 £6
• East Stand Accessible Seating - Adults £12, Over 65 / Under-16 £6

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Apols - read O2 as Q2

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Originally Posted by Lago

And what do you propose Hibs do?

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Issue a statement that that bottle could have caused serious injury to our players. When the idiot threw the bottle at Easter Road the club issued a statement. Have not seen anything from the The Rangers. There was also other incidents at the game which have been mentioned on other threads, bottles and other things thrown at Hibs fans,McGregor launching the ball at the Hibs fans.
Club need to show some Testicular Fortitude as its the Fans who pay their wages.
Edit also stop using passive language in statements

Why has the fifty-fifty split been abandoned for this final?

When one of the Old Firm are involved in a final, there's always the discussion about the rights and wrongs of the fifty-fifty split, but I'm interested to know why it's been scrapped this time.

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Originally Posted by NAE NOOKIE

I haven't even bothered to read the rest of this thread. This question has been asked before when it comes to cup finals and there's only one answer, finals are played at a neutral venue for a reason and if you give one club less tickets than another it is no longer a neutral venue. The simple ( and only ) answer is that we get half the tickets because that's what we can sell .... If for some reason we can't then by all means we return some, but we all know that Hibs are easily capable of selling the 23,000 or so tickets we will be given for this game.

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Absolutely spot on. Champions League and Europa League finals are always 50:50 (albeit the sponsors prob get the most). This is really poor. Why is Scotland different from every other country and ruled by two teams? Why are all our refs selected from the West of Scotland. The bias is long ingrained in Scottish football and its time the other clubs got together to do something about it.

The pricing is a joke too. A flagship game but let's put off anyone who's not wealthy enough to go. £22 minimum for a child? Scottish football deserves to go down the pan.

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Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba

Why has the fifty-fifty split been abandoned for this final?

When one of the Old Firm are involved in a final, there's always the discussion about the rights and wrongs of the fifty-fifty split, but I'm interested to know why it's been scrapped this time.

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Was scrapped when they played Aberdeen in 2018 too I think. Makes no sense to me. We’d have sold the tickets no problem and it’s surely more about being fair than simply who took more to a game in a previous round.

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Originally Posted by Alfred E Newman

It’s hard to argue against a 50% split when it is supposed to be “neutral venue” , however at the end of the day everybody that attends Hibs games on a regular basis will get a ticket and get behind the team, that’s the main thing.

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Will they? I missed out in 2001 despite going to most games that season, including the semi which was supposed to guarantee you a ticket for the final. I was genuinely Peed off as had been a season ticket holder the previous 3/4 years going home and away and went to most games that season. Swore I'd never be back. That didn't last long though.

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Originally Posted by Bishop Hibee

So because the OF have they largest support Hibs should kow-tow to them having their own end at the National Stadium and more fans in attendance? Also,

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I would definitely not let them have their own end.
The fear for the stadium owners is the half wits would damage the toilets etc if they thought they were in the Rangers end






Re the kids question, Boys 29 (if they are advanced, otherwise never) Girls 18

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Originally Posted by Chorley Hibee

I'd have every club official and player publicly refer to it as an away tie rather than a cup final now.

Let's start turning the heat up on these *******s for a change rather than meekly accepting it.

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Alex Ferguson did that brilliantly when he was Aberdeen manager. Went on about referees having to be strong before games. Referred to other injustices. It worked it's way into the mindset of the players and the club. Look what they went on to achieve.

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Originally Posted by Brightside

Well that’s totally different to the “leak”. 17500 tickets is poor but hard to argue when we only sold 10k for the semi.

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Following on from my last post, which I made not knowing the official allocation because I couldn't believe less than a 50/50 split was even a possibility which shows what a naive idiot I am .... I have to comment on this.

It doesn't matter a toss how many tickets we sold for yesterday's semi. or any other semi for that matter. For cup finals this century Hibs have never failed to sell our allocation and in fact more than once have exceeded 25,000 for a final ... IE Livingston 40,000, Kilmarnock 35,000 and Ross County 30,000

Given that absolute fact to offer Hibs less than a 50/50 split is the SPFL favouring a club in a cup final. It is ... ABSOLUTELY F'ING WELL FUNDAMENTAL ... that if a club is capable of selling a half allocation then that is what it should be given. The prices are an outrage, but that's a different discussion.

If this is true ... and even now I'm struggling to believe it ..... Hibs should put a statement on the official site stating that this game is not being played at a neutral venue in the spirit of that term and that we are now offering to play the game at Celtic park ... that way Celtic can still get their 37,000 allocation and more and Hibs can be given 25,000 tickets ... I'm not even kidding !!!

Where are you Ron Gordon ?

Why are folk moaning about the price? I had an ADULT season ticket for Easter Road at 16.

Folk moaning about paying £35 for a CUP FINAL..........Our Cat A games at Easter Road this season are £35.

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Originally Posted by DH1875

Why are folk moaning about the price? I had an ADULT season ticket for Easter Road at 16.

Folk moaning about paying £35 for a CUP FINAL..........Our Cat A games at Easter Road this season are £35.

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I had a Junior ST at 34 😃

So hibs aren't going to appeal this? Are we just going to accept the favouring of celtic? Should be 50 50.

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Originally Posted by NAE NOOKIE

Following on from my last post, which I made not knowing the official allocation because I couldn't believe less than a 50/50 split was even a possibility which shows what a naive idiot I am .... I have to comment on this.

It doesn't matter a toss how many tickets we sold for yesterday's semi. or any other semi for that matter. For cup finals this century Hibs have never failed to sell our allocation and in fact more than once have exceeded 25,000 for a final ... IE Livingston 40,000, Kilmarnock 35,000 and Ross County 30,000

Given that absolute fact to offer Hibs less than a 50/50 split is the SPFL favouring a club in a cup final. It is ... ABSOLUTELY F'ING WELL FUNDAMENTAL ... that if a club is capable of selling a half allocation then that is what it should be given. The prices are an outrage, but that's a different discussion.

If this is true ... and even now I'm struggling to believe it ..... Hibs should put a statement on the official site stating that this game is not being played at a neutral venue in the spirit of that term and that we are now offering to play the game at Celtic park ... that way Celtic can still get their 37,000 allocation and more and Hibs can be given 25,000 tickets ... I'm not even kidding !!!

Where are you Ron Gordon ?

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If they are that bothered about the tickets being sold, sign a contract where we are liable for maximum cost of unsold tickets. Not hard and nobody loses out.

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Originally Posted by Greencore

So hibs aren't going to appeal this? Are we just going to accept the favouring of celtic? Should be 50 50.

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They already have and the SPFL weren’t having it. Not much more can be done.

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Originally Posted by DH1875

Why are folk moaning about the price? I had an ADULT season ticket for Easter Road at 16.

Folk moaning about paying £35 for a CUP FINAL..........Our Cat A games at Easter Road this season are £35.

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Aye but you are able to see the game at Easter Road. For £35 I suspect you're stuck in the east or west terrace, miles from the pitch, which prob means you have to spend £45 to guarantee a decent view. I know people will pay it but for a family of 4 you could be looking at £144 just for tickets never mind the travel, etc. That's not affordable for a lot of people, especially a few days before Christmas.

The whole thing smacks of elitism - the way the bigger team is being favoured and the way the less affluent are being priced out. Very sad for a national cup final which should be open, fair and accessible.

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Originally Posted by PatHead

Alex Ferguson did that brilliantly when he was Aberdeen manager. Went on about referees having to be strong before games. Referred to other injustices. It worked it's way into the mindset of the players and the club. Look what they went on to achieve.

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Aberdeen and Dundee Utd achieved great things because they had great managers who could hold great players to ransom.
Bosman killed that stone dead.

Celtic probably get the home dressing room and get to wear home kit too.

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Originally Posted by GreenCastle

Celtic probably get the home dressing room and get to wear home kit too.

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Celtic get the dressing room nearest their end. Both dressing rooms are exactly the same anyway.

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Originally Posted by LeithMike

Aye but you are able to see the game at Easter Road. For £35 I suspect you're stuck in the east or west terrace, miles from the pitch, which prob means you have to spend £45 to guarantee a decent view. I know people will pay it but for a family of 4 you could be looking at £144 just for tickets never mind the travel, etc. That's not affordable for a lot of people, especially a few days before Christmas.

The whole thing smacks of elitism - the way the bigger team is being favoured and the way the less affluent are being priced out. Very sad for a national cup final which should be open, fair and accessible.

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That last paragraph.

If Hibs played Ross County and they had a small semi final support but wanted 50/50 for the final I really wouldn’t be that bothered.

Why are they allowing a team to dictate a higher number of tickets to allow more of their fans in than the opposition.

It’s not right and even Celtic haven’t exactly had 100% full ends for semi finals and finals over the years.

2016 - 22,130 for their semi against Ross County
2021 - 42,298 for their semi against St J

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Originally Posted by hibbysam

If they are that bothered about the tickets being sold, sign a contract where we are liable for maximum cost of unsold tickets. Not hard and nobody loses out.

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Hibs and Ron get the same money whoever buys the tickets.
17,500 tickets might suit his agenda for trying to get more folk to buy season tickets next season.
"Buy a season ticket for the Hibees the only way to guarantee tickets for the big games"
Then this appears on the big screens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYZl...5Bg%5Doldsongs
Cut to footage of Ron in an expensive suit stroking a cat on his knee and he points agressively snarling NO!

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Originally Posted by NAE NOOKIE

Following on from my last post, which I made not knowing the official allocation because I couldn't believe less than a 50/50 split was even a possibility which shows what a naive idiot I am .... I have to comment on this.

It doesn't matter a toss how many tickets we sold for yesterday's semi. or any other semi for that matter. For cup finals this century Hibs have never failed to sell our allocation and in fact more than once have exceeded 25,000 for a final ... IE Livingston 40,000, Kilmarnock 35,000 and Ross County 30,000

Given that absolute fact to offer Hibs less than a 50/50 split is the SPFL favouring a club in a cup final. It is ... ABSOLUTELY F'ING WELL FUNDAMENTAL ... that if a club is capable of selling a half allocation then that is what it should be given. The prices are an outrage, but that's a different discussion.

If this is true ... and even now I'm struggling to believe it ..... Hibs should put a statement on the official site stating that this game is not being played at a neutral venue in the spirit of that term and that we are now offering to play the game at Celtic park ... that way Celtic can still get their 37,000 allocation and more and Hibs can be given 25,000 tickets ... I'm not even kidding !!!

Where are you Ron Gordon ?

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There should an email sent to everyone on the database laying out what the club are going to do about the situation, that's the least we should except. Wishy washy statements will not suffice.

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Originally Posted by ancient hibee

Celtic get the dressing room nearest their end. Both dressing rooms are exactly the same anyway.

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So the home dressing room ?

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Originally Posted by ancient hibee

Celtic get the dressing room nearest their end. Both dressing rooms are exactly the same anyway.

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Not true …home team gets home dressing room…..even though they are the same ..that’s what’s happened in previous finals …

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Originally Posted by cmurdoch

hibs and ron get the same money whoever buys the tickets.
17,500 tickets might suit his agenda for trying to get more folk to buy season tickets next season.
"buy a season ticket for the hibees the only way to guarantee tickets for the big games"
then he shows this on the big screens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayzl...5bg%5doldsongs
then he appears on screen in an expensive suit stroking a cat on his knee and just says no!

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🤔 wtf.

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Originally Posted by bigwheel

Not true …home team gets home dressing room…..even though they are the same ..that’s what’s happened in previous finals …

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Last time I was looking round I was told that Celtic always get “their” dressing room and Rangers always get “theirs”. Lining up in the tunnel they have to line u at “their” side. Hampden staff think it’s a complete pain.So I think it is true as the national team at that time did not have a home dressing room.Don’t know if they favour one over the other now.

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Originally Posted by gbhibby

There should an email sent to everyone on the database laying out what the club are going to do about the situation, that's the least we should except. Wishy washy statements will not suffice.

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wtf!

what about a petition
we could all sign it
they would have to listen then ............wouldn't they

I think it's fundamentally unfair to start at a lower allocation for any team unless it's at there request

Give both sides 50/50 and a deadline to sell, anything unsold gets handed over

How can it possibly be any other way

What if it was celtic vs Livi - do livi just get 2000 tickets and celtic 50,000?

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Originally Posted by Lago

And what do you propose Hibs do?

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I genuinely think the club should say they will boycott the game if it’s not a 50/50. Think how ridiculous the spfl would look if the game wasn’t going to be played. Call their bluff Hibs.

A very dangerous decision has been made today. Precedents have now been set and no club will get an equal allocation against the old firm for league cup finals going forward.

Finals are no longer played at neutral venues.

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Originally Posted by Pagan Hibernia

A very dangerous decision has been made today. Precedents have now been set and no club will get an equal allocation against the old firm for league cup finals going forward.

Finals are no longer played at neutral venues.

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Well except Hearts with their 400,000 fans, should they ever make it to a League Cup final again.

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Originally Posted by CMurdoch

wtf!

what about a petition
we could all sign it
they would have to listen then ............wouldn't they

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I have received a number of personal emails from the club in in the past. Running a football club is all about engaging with your stakeholders. Your post was a bit patronising with your link to youtube video Day trippers. I would rather have a Hibs supporting day tripper at the final than a Celtic
fan any day of the week. You are clearly not that bothered.

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Originally Posted by Not In The Know

I genuinely think the club should say they will boycott the game if it’s not a 50/50. Think how ridiculous the spfl would look if the game wasn’t going to be played. Call their bluff Hibs.

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To a degree I can see your point but, what also would mean penalising the Hibs players who have worked so hard to get to the final, I'm not convinced they would support a boycott.

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Originally Posted by CMurdoch

Aberdeen and Dundee Utd achieved great things because they had great managers who could hold great players to ransom.
Bosman killed that stone dead.

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That is not true with Aberdeen. They allowed players to move on at the right price. The likes of Miller, McLeish, Kennedy,Rougvie were quite happy there and I have never heard them regret staying at Aberdeen. The likes of Leighton and Strachan moved on to bigger things.

Aberdeen were a very balanced side with not many flare players but everyone of them knew their job and trusted/believed in each of their team mates. They didn't fear anyone in Glasgow or even Munich or Madrid

Without checking I think Aberdeen's downfall started with the loss of Ferguson and was compounded by Rangers upping the stakes.

FWIW I still dislike Aberdeen to this day for the tricks/arrogance they had in their day but not right to simply say that they achieved things by holding players to ransom.

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Originally Posted by gbhibby

I have received a number of personal emails from the club in in the past. Running a football club is all about engaging with your stakeholders. Your post was a bit patronising with your link to youtube video Day trippers. I would rather have a Hibs supporting day tripper at the final than a Celtic
fan any day of the week. You are clearly not that bothered.

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If more than 17,500 Hibees turn up for the Motherwell or Dundee home games I will happily protest for their right to a ticket for the cup final. Hell, I would give them my ticket but if they aren't that bothered about supporting the club in those games why should anyone else be bothered about them being at the cup final.

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Originally Posted by Pagan Hibernia

A very dangerous decision has been made today. Precedents have now been set and no club will get an equal allocation against the old firm for league cup finals going forward.

Finals are no longer played at neutral venues.

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Yep it's a very dangerous precedent that's been set.

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Originally Posted by CMurdoch

Hibs and Ron get the same money whoever buys the tickets.
17,500 tickets might suit his agenda for trying to get more folk to buy season tickets next season.
"Buy a season ticket for the Hibees the only way to guarantee tickets for the big games"
Then this appears on the big screens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYZl...5Bg%5Doldsongs
Cut to footage of Ron in an expensive suit stroking a cat on his knee and he points agressively snarling NO!

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They do, however if the SPFL have issues with us not selling out then we should just give them our word that we pay up for any unsold seats out of our prize money.

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Originally Posted by CMurdoch

If more than 17,500 Hibees turn up for the Motherwell or Dundee home games I will happily protest for their right to a ticket for the cup final. Hell, I would give them my ticket but if they aren't that bothered about supporting the club in those games why should anyone else be bothered about them being at the cup final.

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I'm bothered because it no longer becomes a neutral venue, and it therefore becomes an even more difficult game to win than it would be to start with.

Their own city, Their own end, Their own changing room, and now more tickets!

How much more of an advantage at a 'neutral' venue do they want?

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Originally Posted by CMurdoch

If more than 17,500 Hibees turn up for the Motherwell or Dundee home games I will happily protest for their right to a ticket for the cup final. Hell, I would give them my ticket but if they aren't that bothered about supporting the club in those games why should anyone else be bothered about them being at the cup final.

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Personally I think that any Old Firm supporters from outside Glasgow are glory hunters. No sympathy for any of them who can't get tickets.

How many new regular supporters did we get who went to the cup final in 2016. Occasions like this help us develop our fanbase

Can't believe any Hibs supporter would have denied another Hibs supporter the right to attend a cup final which would have included the 2016 final using your logic.

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Originally Posted by CMurdoch

If more than 17,500 Hibees turn up for the Motherwell or Dundee home games I will happily protest for their right to a ticket for the cup final. Hell, I would give them my ticket but if they aren't that bothered about supporting the club in those games why should anyone else be bothered about them being at the cup final.

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By your logic then we should not have received any more than the amount of people who have a season ticket and are walk up fans at previous finals. Why do you care so much? Personally I want as many Hibs fans at the final be they season ticket holders walk ups or day trippers. You seem to forget about Fans abroad who post on here buy merchandise subscribe to Hibs TV and pay money into HSL, who will travel from abroad/other parts of the UK to the final or are they Day trippers in your world.
Get a grip, supporters contribute to the club in different ways financially so your argument does not stack up.

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Originally Posted by Not In The Know

I genuinely think the club should say they will boycott the game if it’s not a 50/50. Think how ridiculous the spfl would look if the game wasn’t going to be played. Call their bluff Hibs.

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My immediate reaction is to tell them to stuff it. The game will be rigged if the crowd is 70% soap dodgers. Let them continue to dominate Scottish Football. Few people give a ***** anymore. I am not sure I can be bothered for much longer?

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Originally Posted by PatHead

Personally I think that any Old Firm supporters from outside Glasgow are glory hunters. No sympathy for any of them who can't get tickets.

How many new regular supporters did we get who went to the cup final in 2016. Occasions like this help us develop our fanbase

Can't believe any Hibs supporter would have denied another Hibs supporter the right to attend a cup final which would have included the 2016 final using your logic.

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I agree.
You should support the team nearest your house and the Police should stop folk trying to sneak out on buses to support either side of the Old Firm.
It is despicable behaviour.

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Originally Posted by CMurdoch

I agree with that.
You should support the team nearest your house and the Police should stop folk trying to sneak out on buses to support either side of the Old Firm.
It is despicable behaviour.

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Think you are going to far there and police have far better things to do.

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Originally Posted by CMurdoch

I agree.
You should support the team nearest your house and the Police should stop folk trying to sneak out on buses to support either side of the Old Firm.
It is despicable behaviour.

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Day trippers yeah!

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Originally Posted by CMurdoch

If more than 17,500 Hibees turn up for the Motherwell or Dundee home games I will happily protest for their right to a ticket for the cup final. Hell, I would give them my ticket but if they aren't that bothered about supporting the club in those games why should anyone else be bothered about them being at the cup final.

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Because it helps our team?

Fairweather fan or not your argument is basically promoting unfairness

Should livi only get 3000? St Johnstone 5000?

In the 19/20 season celtic averaged 7000 more at the gate than Rangers, should or would that be factored into an OF final?

All teams should initially be given the chance to sell equal tickets. If they can't sell them by a certain date then by all means pass them over,. Anything else is immediately giving an advantage to the other team

Its sporting terms its totally unfair



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Originally Posted by CMurdoch

I agree.
You should support the team nearest your house and the Police should stop folk trying to sneak out on buses to support either side of the Old Firm.
It is despicable behaviour.

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You're losing this debate hands down CM

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Originally Posted by Lancs Harp

You're losing this debate hands down CM

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No logic from the start, maybe a closet Celtic fan.

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Originally Posted by CMurdoch

If more than 17,500 Hibees turn up for the Motherwell or Dundee home games I will happily protest for their right to a ticket for the cup final. Hell, I would give them my ticket but if they aren't that bothered about supporting the club in those games why should anyone else be bothered about them being at the cup final.

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What a lot of pish.

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Originally Posted by gbhibby

By your logic then we should not have received any more than the amount of people who have a season ticket and are walk up fans at previous finals. Why do you care so much? Personally I want as many Hibs fans at the final be they season ticket holders walk ups or day trippers. You seem to forget about Fans abroad who post on here buy merchandise subscribe to Hibs TV and pay money into HSL, who will travel from abroad/other parts of the UK to the final or are they Day trippers in your world.
Get a grip, supporters contribute to the club in different ways financially so your argument does not stack up.

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It's frustrating that only 13,400 supporters are attending home games.
7,000 empty seats at all but the biggest games will seriously limit the club when it comes to recruiting better players.
Those empty seats represent £150k lost in revenue per game which is a couple of million quid a season.
The club can only improve if supporters pay to attend games.
The 11,000 supporters that bought season tickets last season and this and those who contributed to HSL in the same time frame have played an unbelievable unselfish role in keeping the club and team stable but other Hibs fans need to step up and become supporters.

As things stand 17,500 tickets is enough cup final tickets for every Hibs supporter to get one.
As things stand it proved impossible for BK and Ron Gordon to make a case to the SPFL for us to receive more.

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Originally Posted by CMurdoch

It's frustrating that only 13,400 supporters are attending home games.
7,000 empty seats at all but the biggest games will seriously limit the club when it comes to recruiting better players.
Those empty seats represent £150k lost in revenue per game which is a couple of million quid a season.
The club can only improve if supporters pay to attend games.
The 11,000 supporters that bought season tickets last season and this and those who contributed to HSL in the same time frame have played an unbelievable unselfish role in keeping the club and team stable but other Hibs fans need to step up and become supporters.

As things stand 17,500 tickets is enough cup final tickets for every Hibs supporter to get one.
As things stand it proved impossible for BK and Ron Gordon to make a case to the SPFL for us to receive more.

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We have an overall support of 17,500?

What alot of tosh

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Originally Posted by Lancs Harp

You're losing this debate hands down CM

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Coming from Lytham St Annes to support Hibs is fine

Ok, someone elses turn to be devils advocate, it's a new day!

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Originally Posted by Callum_62

We have an overall support of 17,500?

What alot of tosh

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Ok, are you here for the £1 or the £5 argument?

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Originally Posted by CMurdoch

It's frustrating that only 13,400 supporters are attending home games.
7,000 empty seats at all but the biggest games will seriously limit the club when it comes to recruiting better players.
Those empty seats represent £150k lost in revenue per game which is a couple of million quid a season.
The club can only improve if supporters pay to attend games.
The 11,000 supporters that bought season tickets last season and this and those who contributed to HSL in the same time frame have played an unbelievable unselfish role in keeping the club and team stable but other Hibs fans need to step up and become supporters.

As things stand 17,500 tickets is enough cup final tickets for every Hibs supporter to get one.
As things stand it proved impossible for BK and Ron Gordon to make a case to the SPFL for us to receive more.

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It wasn't impossible to get a 50/50 split from the SFA in 2016 so your argument doesn't stand up. We should as everyone is telling you received 50% and a % held back until sold. This is a final that should have no benefit to one team or the other however small the difference would make.

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Originally Posted by Callum_62

We have an overall support of 17,500?

What alot of tosh

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Quite - with just 17.5k tickets it's pretty unlikely I'll (and many of the other out of town supporters) will get one. I've been to one home game this season so far and subscribe to Hibs TV and have been at every final since 1979 (except the 1991 one when my lift didn't materialise) - but yeh I don't deserve a ticket and it's fine for the principles of sporting integrity to be cast aside because of the grip Sevco and Celtc have over the domestic game.

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It wasn't impossible to get a 50/50 split from the SFA in 2016 so your argument doesn't stand up. We should as everyone is telling you received 50% and a % held back until sold. This is a final that should have no benefit to one team or the other however small the difference would make.

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Yeah, that was pre pandemic and brexit.
We came out of the 50/50 split under brexit.

Anybody that does not support a 50/50 split is not a real Hibs fan. You look after your own. I do not care how many season tickets holders other clubs have its a cup final. Can you imagine the outcry if this happened down south. A cup final is for fans of both clubs who should have the same amount of tickets allocated. There are 2 teams in the final, this whole episode stinks. Ron Gordon and Ben Kensell need to go public on this in a big way, otherwise it will happen again and again.

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Yeah, that was pre pandemic and brexit.
We came out of the 50/50 split under brexit.

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I think you need some sleep :faf:

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Yeah, that was pre pandemic and brexit.
We came out of the 50/50 split under brexit.

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What?

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Coming from Lytham St Annes to support Hibs is fine

Ok, someone elses turn to be devils advocate, it's a new day!

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I live in York.

Before I moved here, I had a season ticket for over 20 years and have been supporting Hibs since the early 70s. I donate £20 to HSL every month, I give money to kicks for kids and I'm a shareholder.

I go to as many games as I can, depending on TV schedules etc. I've not managed to get to one this season cos of Covid etc but I'll do so as soon as I can.

I definitely want to go to the Cup Final. Would you rather a Celtc season ticket holder went instead of me?

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Originally Posted by Liberal Hibby

Quite - with just 17.5k tickets it's pretty unlikely I'll (and many of the other out of town supporters) will get one. I've been to one home game this season so far and subscribe to Hibs TV and have been at every final since 1979 (except the 1991 one when my lift didn't materialise) - but yeh I don't deserve a ticket and it's fine for the principles of sporting integrity to be cast aside because of the grip Sevco and Celtc have over the domestic game.

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Got you covered.
In one of my early devils advocate posts on this thread I said anyone who had attended a home game this season should get a ticket.
Congratulations!
Enjoy the final.

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What?

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He's lost the plot haha

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Originally Posted by Liberal Hibby

Quite - with just 17.5k tickets it's pretty unlikely I'll (and many of the other out of town supporters) will get one. I've been to one home game this season so far and subscribe to Hibs TV and have been at every final since 1979 (except the 1991 one when my lift didn't materialise) - but yeh I don't deserve a ticket and it's fine for the principles of sporting integrity to be cast aside because of the grip Sevco and Celtc have over the domestic game.

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Could not have put it better myself. We are all HIBS.

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

I live in York.

Before I moved here, I had a season ticket for over 20 years and have been supporting Hibs since the early 70s. I donate £20 to HSL every month, I give money to kicks for kids and I'm a shareholder.

I go to as many games as I can, depending on TV schedules etc. I've not managed to get to one this season cos of Covid etc but I'll do so as soon as I can.

I definitely want to go to the Cup Final. Would you rather a Celtc season ticket holder went instead of me?

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Yes - that's the sum of his argument.

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Originally Posted by Hibbyradge

I live in York.

Before I moved there, I had a season ticket for over 20 years and have been supporting Hibs since the early 70s.. I donate £20 to HSL every month, I give money to kicks for kids and I'm a shareholder.

I go to as many games as I can, depending on TV schedules etc. I've not managed to get to one this season cos of Covid etc but I'll do so as soon as I can.

I definitely want to go to the Cup Final. Would you rather a Celtc season ticket holder went instead of me?

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You are covered by the HSL monthly contribution clause and are thus entitled to a cup final ticket.
Enjoy the game ya radge.

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You are covered by the HSL monthly contribution clause and are thus entitled to a cup final ticket.
Enjoy the game ya radge.

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Stop your nonsense, then. Trolling is against the rules.

It's been fun being the devils advocate this evening but sadly my time is now up.

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Got you covered.
In one of my early devils advocate posts on this thread I said anyone who had attended a home game this season should get a ticket.
Congratulations!
Enjoy the final.

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You're not playing devil's advocate you're advocating Celtic fans getting priority over Hibs fans. And with 17,500 tickets I'll doubt I'll be there in person. But I'll do my best to enjoy the final in whatever way I can...

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Stop your nonsense, then. Trolling is against the rules.

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13 pages of radgeness is quite enough.
See you at the final.

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Got you covered.
In one of my early devils advocate posts on this thread I said anyone who had attended a home game this season should get a ticket.
Congratulations!
Enjoy the final.

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What about others who pump money into the club from abroad. Not everyone can get to the stadium. I did raise this but you have chosen not to respond.

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It's frustrating that only 13,400 supporters are attending home games.
7,000 empty seats at all but the biggest games will seriously limit the club when it comes to recruiting better players.
Those empty seats represent £150k lost in revenue per game which is a couple of million quid a season.
The club can only improve if supporters pay to attend games.
The 11,000 supporters that bought season tickets last season and this and those who contributed to HSL in the same time frame have played an unbelievable unselfish role in keeping the club and team stable but other Hibs fans need to step up and become supporters.

As things stand 17,500 tickets is enough cup final tickets for every Hibs supporter to get one.
As things stand it proved impossible for BK and Ron Gordon to make a case to the SPFL for us to receive more.

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Don't agree with your calculation. You've based it on sellout crowds every week. Hardly realistic we'll sell out every week.

Winning a cup is one of the best ways to increase ST sales and thereby, home attendances? What you're advocating is giving Celtic an advantage and therefore reducing our chances of winning it.

Plus, the "day trippers", as you call them, are surely the target market for the club who'll be aiming to convert them into regular goers / season ticket holders. If they're not deserving of a ticket then the club's chances of converting them is greatly reduced.

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It's been fun being the devils advocate this evening but sadly my time is now up.

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More like trolling than playing devil's advocate.

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What about others who pump money into the club from abroad. Not everyone can get to the stadium. I did raise this but you have chosen not to respond.

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Sorry, i answered Bristol Hibee re Overseas Hibs TV subscribers on page 6
"folk from Australia and America etc who pay a subscription for Hibs TV. They support the club so would be eligible for a cup final ticket".

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Originally Posted by hibbysam

If they are that bothered about the tickets being sold, sign a contract where we are liable for maximum cost of unsold tickets. Not hard and nobody loses out.

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We shouldn't even have to be going down that route mate. Hibs could simply agree that any tickets not sold by Thursday at 5pm can be sent to Celtic .... The way tickets are sold in blocks we can sell starting from the sections nearest the south stand and any complete block not sold by that date can be reserved for Celtic. As it is I'm still convinced Hibs could easily sell 23,000 tickets even at the stupid prices being asked.

The bottom line here is as I said before an absolutely fundamental issue of fair play. Where it's obvious a club cannot sell a full allocation EG ..Ross County, Livvi that sort of thing then fair enough it makes sense to give a realistic allocation. But, there is absolutely no evidence that Hibs are not capable of shifting 23,000, in fact a raft of evidence that we can do so and that being the case it is absolutely unfair that we are not at least being given the chance.

The rules of the competition as I understand it state that the final will be played at a neutral venue ..... What makes home advantage home advantage is not just playing on your own pitch but also an assumption that you will have the majority of the crowd on your side. If Covid proved anything it was that the crowd was the main factor in what makes home advantage an advantage ... with no crowds many club's away record improved, not least amongst them Hibs.

I for one am really really angry that Hibs have caved into this. They state their unhappiness at the decision in that statement, but in my opinion it doesn't go nearly far enough ... They should state in no uncertain terms that the SPFL have taken a step that is far from justifiable given this club's proven ability to shift enough tickets to justify a 50/50 split and that in sporting terms as far as this club is concerned the SPFL have handed an advantage to our opponents for that final.

Aye ok, if they cave in and we fail to shift all the tickets then we end up with egg on our face .... but that is the very last thing we should be considering at this point.

I am sorry but the fundamental issue here is how competitive is Scottish Football? At the moment Rangers dominate. They have proved to be ***** in recent years in knock-out competitions. But that is not enough. I get the impression that the Scottish Football authorities would e really like Celtic to win a trophy to maintain competitiveness . If the authorities still want to maintain this hegemony then fine. Count me out!

The whole bloody edifice is rigged from the start. There is no need for further manipulation. I do not feel inclined to pay money to support this shambles.

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We shouldn't even have to be going down that route mate. Hibs could simply agree that any tickets not sold by Thursday at 5pm can be sent to Celtic .... The way tickets are sold in blocks we can sell starting from the sections nearest the south stand and any complete block not sold by that date can be reserved for Celtic. As it is I'm still convinced Hibs could easily sell 23,000 tickets even at the stupid prices being asked.

The bottom line here is as I said before an absolutely fundamental issue of fair play. Where it's obvious a club cannot sell a full allocation EG ..Ross County, Livvi that sort of thing then fair enough it makes sense to give a realistic allocation. But, there is absolutely no evidence that Hibs are not capable of shifting 23,000, in fact a raft of evidence that we can do so and that being the case it is absolutely unfair that we are not at least being given the chance.

The rules of the competition as I understand it state that the final will be played at a neutral venue ..... What makes home advantage home advantage is not just playing on your own pitch but also an assumption that you will have the majority of the crowd on your side. If Covid proved anything it was that the crowd was the main factor in what makes home advantage an advantage ... with no crowds many club's away record improved, not least amongst them Hibs.

I for one am really really angry that Hibs have caved into this. They state their unhappiness at the decision in that statement, but in my opinion it doesn't go nearly far enough ... They should state in no uncertain terms that the SPFL have taken a step that is far from justifiable given this club's proven ability to shift enough tickets to justify a 50/50 split and that in sporting terms as far as this club is concerned the SPFL have handed an advantage to our opponents for that final.

Aye ok, if they cave in and we fail to shift all the tickets then we end up with egg on our face .... but that is the very last thing we should be considering at this point.

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Totally agree.

I think the 2017 LC semi v Celtic where we asked for and got a lot more tickets than we ended up selling has possibly played a part in the decision. Celtic will no doubt have reminded the SPFL of that, though IIRC the SPFL botched the order in which we were allowed to put the blocks on sale which meant our unsold tickets couldn't be given to Celtic.

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I am sorry but the fundamental issue here is how competitive is Scottish Football? At the moment Rangers dominate. They have proved to be ***** in recent years in knock-out competitions. But that is not enough. I get the impression that the Scottish Football authorities would e really like Celtic to win a trophy to maintain competitiveness . If the authorities still want to maintain this hegemony then fine. Count me out!

The whole bloody edifice is rigged from the start. There is no need for further manipulation. I do not feel inclined to pay money to support this shambles.

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I get the sentiment mate, I really do. But if too many of us go down that route and we don't even shift 17,500 they will be able to claim their decision was justified. As it is I think as many of us as possible should be E Mailing the SPFL asking what gives them the right to spit all over the notion of fair play and also Hibs to ask why they are not publicly calling this out. Not some wishy washy statement on our official site that only Hibs fans will see but a TV interview by either our CEO or even better the club's owner stating in no uncertain terms that the SPFL have with absolutely no justification handed Celtic an advantage before the game has even kicked off.

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Don't agree with your calculation. You've based it on sellout crowds every week. Hardly realistic we'll sell out every week.

Winning a cup is one of the best ways to increase ST sales and thereby, home attendances? What you're advocating is giving Celtic an advantage and therefore reducing our chances of winning it.

Plus, the "day trippers", as you call them, are surely the target market for the club who'll be aiming to convert them into regular goers / season ticket holders. If they're not deserving of a ticket then the club's chances of converting them is greatly reduced.

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We need to have more supporters at Easter Road than we currently do to finance progress or we will be fighting for 4th with Aberdeen in a couple of years time. If we can start playing well and sign a few good players in the summer the fairweather fans will return to the supporter ranks but you can't rely on them.

Re the cup, we did well on Sunday with the hardcore 10,000 supporters at the game cheering the team on.
The SPFL have subsequently decided in all the circumstances that Hibs should receive an extra 7,500 tickets for the final and folk on here are outraged.

I get it from a fairness point of view but I also saw Celtic sign a fantastic player from Japan in the summer for millions of pounds while we signed a kid from Raith Rovers for £100k who can't make it until January which strikes at any sense of any real sporting integrity.

Hopefully every Hibs supporter who has more than a passing interest in the team can get a ticket for the final.

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Sorry, i answered Bristol Hibee re Overseas Hibs TV subscribers on page 6
"folk from Australia and America etc who pay a subscription for Hibs TV. They support the club so would be eligible for a cup final ticket".

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I live in the Philippines and subscribe to Hibs TV. Been a season ticket holder for many years. Followed Hibs since the late 60s. Coming home for Christmas and the club have assured me I will be looked after.

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Don't agree with your calculation. You've based it on sellout crowds every week. Hardly realistic we'll sell out every week.

Winning a cup is one of the best ways to increase ST sales and thereby, home attendances? What you're advocating is giving Celtic an advantage and therefore reducing our chances of winning it.

Plus, the "day trippers", as you call them, are surely the target market for the club who'll be aiming to convert them into regular goers / season ticket holders. If they're not deserving of a ticket then the club's chances of converting them is greatly reduced.

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All of this in spades and especially the 2nd paragraph.

Day trippers as folk like to call them are exactly why this club can sell allocations of 23,000 for cup finals. Who cares what sort of 'fans' make up our cup final crowds, there is barely a club on the planet that doesn't rely on casual supporters when it comes to cup finals ...... I can't believe anybody on here is in any way trying to argue that this decision by the SPFL can in any way be justified.

The only reason they are doing this is because they can guarantee a sell out if they give Celtic the majority of the tickets. That is an affront to the final as a sporting contest played on a level playing field. Celtic already hold an advantage by being able to field a team considerably more expensive than anything we could put on the park, they hold an advantage because the final is being played in their city ...... There's nothing Hibs or the SPFL can do about that.

What they can do is to ensure that the things they do have control over to make the final as fair as it can be are applied. Front and centre to that is to ensure both clubs have the same level of support on the day if at all possible .... In this case it is possible and yet they have chosen to hand the club who already hold most of the aces another advantage, even in the face of one of the clubs in this final asking for a 50/50 split.

That is so blatantly unfair that in my opinion it is tantamount to at best bringing the game into disrepute, at worst match fixing and that is exactly what Hibs should be saying about it ... and very very publicly.

FFS .... For once can this bloody club show some balls !!!

I'm not even home from the semi final yet and might not get a final ticket.

Joke really. They are pretty much saying celtic fans are more important than Hibs fans!

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I live in York.

Before I moved here, I had a season ticket for over 20 years and have been supporting Hibs since the early 70s. I donate £20 to HSL every month, I give money to kicks for kids and I'm a shareholder.

I go to as many games as I can, depending on TV schedules etc. I've not managed to get to one this season cos of Covid etc but I'll do so as soon as I can.

I definitely want to go to the Cup Final. Would you rather a Celtc season ticket holder went instead of me?

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By his logic he believes a Celtic fan should be there ahead of you.

Mental.

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They already have and the SPFL weren’t having it. Not much more can be done.

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The SPFL need to be embarrassed. Force them to back their decision with a statement. I presume as with every club there’s a dispute resolution procedure. Hibs need to invoke this procedure and air our dirty laundry.

I hope this isn’t the last of this.

J

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By your logic then we should not have received any more than the amount of people who have a season ticket and are walk up fans at previous finals. Why do you care so much? Personally I want as many Hibs fans at the final be they season ticket holders walk ups or day trippers. You seem to forget about Fans abroad who post on here buy merchandise subscribe to Hibs TV and pay money into HSL, who will travel from abroad/other parts of the UK to the final or are they Day trippers in your world.
Get a grip, supporters contribute to the club in different ways financially so your argument does not stack up.

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I can’t tell if he’s on the wind up or not, as the view is so alien to most of us on here.

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Maybe we'll try to tie it up with half season tickets

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At least 10,000 of those so called Hibs supporters you speak of are no use to Hibs.
We only see them at glory time. They provide no financial support to our club whatsoever.

We have been offered 17,500 Cup Final tickets.
Hibs have 11,100 season ticket holders and have about 2,400 regular walk ups
That leaves 4,000 tickets which I reckon should be sold first to anyone who has paid to attend even a single game at Easter Road this season.
Whatever number of tickets are left after that can be punted in a public sale.

Celtic probably have 50,000 season ticket holders so it is only fair that there should be an attempt to give at least half of them the opportunity to attend the cup final ticket rather than giving them to Hibs to sell to people who are really not that bothered about Hibs or Scottish football week to week.
I don't like Celtic much but I would rather that Scottish football supporters get cup final ticket than fair weather folk who only do big games.

The allocation of stands is a whole different matter. We should get half of the North.

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That's the kind of argument I'd expect from a RANTIC fan.

I live in Ireland and I’d love to be at this final. But equally the only match I’ve been to this season was away at Dens Park. I pay into HSL. Don’t want to take a ticket away from a hibby that deserves it more.

don’t know if I’ve any chance of getting a ticket, or whether morally I should even apply for one.

dilemma.

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I live in Ireland and I’d love to be at this final. But equally the only match I’ve been to this season was away at Dens Park. I pay into HSL. Don’t want to take a ticket away from a hibby that deserves it more.

don’t know if I’ve any chance of getting a ticket, or whether morally I should even apply for one.

dilemma.

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No dilemma, you are a Hibs fan, apply.

Strangely Dundee Away is my only live game this season. Best believe I’ll be looking to go.

J

Hoping my eight game package thing will count for something in how tickets for the final are sold.

It should be 50/50 initially, and the pricing is an utter scandal. Where are the student prices? £40 unless you want one of the crap seats. What a disgrace, and the SPFL saying that they’d frozen prices since 2019 - nobody went to the final in 2020!!
The only consolation is that ultimately Hibs will benefit from it but really I’d rather we made less from the game than feel like we’re being bent over again with the prices.

While not agreeing with the decision on the split, the BBC sport story isnt quite accurate.

It suggests that Hibs are getting 17500 out of the 52000 capacity (i.e. 33%). The truth is that a 50/50 split of Hampden would be about 21000 to each club (as there are so many sponsor tickets, hospitality and some seats lost to segregation - more this time).

The proposed split is hence unfair, but also forces ticketless Hibs (and Celtic) fans to pay extortionate fees for hospitality tickets.

Nice one SPFL.....................

I sincerely hope non season ticket holders who bought tickets for the Semi Final are looked after. The atmosphere on Sunday was fantastic and it would be good to have the same folk back at the final.

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I sincerely hope non season ticket holders who bought tickets for the Semi Final are looked after. The atmosphere on Sunday was fantastic and it would be good to have the same folk back at the final.

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I sincerely hope non season ticket holders who bought tickets for the Semi Final are looked after. The atmosphere on Sunday was fantastic and it would be good to have the same folk back at the final.

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It'll be season ticket holders, then those who purchase a half season ticket and then general sale.

The majority of people who want a ticket will get one but there will undoubtedly be people who miss out unfortunately.

17,500 tickets is nothing short of a disgrace. An absolute ****ing joke!

Cup finals are about bringing along your family. Kids, grandparents, family from overseas.

Loads of fans will miss out. Scottish football run by amateurs who pander to the old firm.

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I sincerely hope non season ticket holders who bought tickets for the Semi Final are looked after. The atmosphere on Sunday was fantastic and it would be good to have the same folk back at the final.

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You could have replaced the 10000 who were there with another 10000 Hibby's like myself, the atmosphere would have been as good, what was there to be negative about?

I've been at more semi's than I care to remember and the atmosphere's been crap, mainly due to the score.

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We shouldn't even have to be going down that route mate. Hibs could simply agree that any tickets not sold by Thursday at 5pm can be sent to Celtic .... The way tickets are sold in blocks we can sell starting from the sections nearest the south stand and any complete block not sold by that date can be reserved for Celtic. As it is I'm still convinced Hibs could easily sell 23,000 tickets even at the stupid prices being asked.

The bottom line here is as I said before an absolutely fundamental issue of fair play. Where it's obvious a club cannot sell a full allocation EG ..Ross County, Livvi that sort of thing then fair enough it makes sense to give a realistic allocation. But, there is absolutely no evidence that Hibs are not capable of shifting 23,000, in fact a raft of evidence that we can do so and that being the case it is absolutely unfair that we are not at least being given the chance.

The rules of the competition as I understand it state that the final will be played at a neutral venue ..... What makes home advantage home advantage is not just playing on your own pitch but also an assumption that you will have the majority of the crowd on your side. If Covid proved anything it was that the crowd was the main factor in what makes home advantage an advantage ... with no crowds many club's away record improved, not least amongst them Hibs.

I for one am really really angry that Hibs have caved into this. They state their unhappiness at the decision in that statement, but in my opinion it doesn't go nearly far enough ... They should state in no uncertain terms that the SPFL have taken a step that is far from justifiable given this club's proven ability to shift enough tickets to justify a 50/50 split and that in sporting terms as far as this club is concerned the SPFL have handed an advantage to our opponents for that final.

Aye ok, if they cave in and we fail to shift all the tickets then we end up with egg on our face .... but that is the very last thing we should be considering at this point.

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I agree but I really want North stand tickets so would mean selling the best seats last doing it block by block. If they’re worried about revenue then we’ve made that promise, if they are worried about how it would look then make club sell from front to back rather than block by block.

Whole thing stinks though, they’re not working in the equal best interests of all parties.

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I sincerely hope non season ticket holders who bought tickets for the Semi Final are looked after. The atmosphere on Sunday was fantastic and it would be good to have the same folk back at the final.

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100%.

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It'll be season ticket holders, then those who purchase a half season ticket and then general sale.

The majority of people who want a ticket will get one but there will undoubtedly be people who miss out unfortunately.

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Yep, I also wonder if Hibs will also add in those who have bought the 8 / 5 match packages before public sale?

i.e. ST, Half ST, Package, Public

I am not sure there is any way the club can look at non ST holders who went to the semi, as there is no way to verify who got them.

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Yep, I also wonder if Hibs will also add in those who have bought the 8 / 5 match packages before public sale?

i.e. ST, Half ST, Package, Public

I am not sure there is any way the club can look at non ST holders who went to the semi, as there is no way to verify who got them.

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I have nine tickets sitting on my Dressing Table, so easy to prove.

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