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12-09-2021, 04:52 PM
jeffers

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Originally Posted by Shrekko

He didn’t start the next game because Magennis played very well as far as I recall.

I wasn’t meaning you when I talked about people implying an agenda - but I’ve seen plenty of people more or less doing so e.g saying he’s been treated unfairly when he simply hasn’t.

I’m personally desperate to see the things others think they can in Scott at the moment but just can’t and definitely feel like we can trust the judgement of a good coaching team who see all the players every day.

He’s a joy to watch when in prime form - I’d love to see it again but at the moment I just can’t get away from the fact that Newell, JDH and Magennis offer a lot more and I’m not going to get upset by that.

Fair enough, I appreciate the reply.
12-09-2021, 04:54 PM
Shrekko

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Originally Posted by jeffers

Fair enough, I appreciate the reply.

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12-09-2021, 04:54 PM
J-C

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Originally Posted by jeffers

He was fit last season but Ross refused to play him. He wanted to stay at Hibs, but wasn’t going to get any game time so that left taking up the option as a coach. It doesn’t equate to Ross being right, just that he got to influence the decision DG ultimately made.

But surely Ross not picking him and subsequently him retiring shows why Ross was correct not to play him because he felt he was not upto the task anymore. The same thing happening with Allan, Gray could've dropped down a league but Ross obviously sees the benefit of having him around coaching.
12-09-2021, 04:58 PM
lord bunberry

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Originally Posted by B.H.F.C

Scott looked lost in that position today. Allan would have offered more, just even in terms of knowing where to be. We were a man down first half but it wasn’t all down to Scott IMO, it was a mistake asking him to play that position.

I completely agree, he’s never a playmaker like Allan.
12-09-2021, 05:01 PM
jeffers

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Originally Posted by J-C

But surely Ross not picking him and subsequently him retiring shows why Ross was correct not to play him because he felt he was not upto the task anymore.

Not really no. He retired because he wasn’t going to get a game, not because he didn’t think he was able and was persuaded to take up the coaching role.
12-09-2021, 05:25 PM
LeithMike

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Originally Posted by Shrekko

This nonsense about him “not fancying him” makes absolutely no sense based on so many things but I get the feeling it’s trying to create the “Jack Ross doesn’t like flair players” narrative to those who will simply never take to him.

I disagree. I actually think Ross doesn't fancy him. I think it's clear to see from Ross's signings (Murphy, Mackay) that his key attacking players are wide forwards with lots of pace and he likes energy and industry in the middle (Magennis, JDH). When he came in, I think he wanted to play 4-4-2 and Scott Allan ended up playing wide left. He's clearly not got the pace for that.

Allan is a player who you have to build your team around and most of the attacking play goes through. I just dont think that is the way Ross wants to play but I dont think that means Ross doesnt like flair players - I just think he likes players with pace and attacking verve.

I think some of the conclusions elsewhere on this thread that because Allan isnt getting a game means he is finished. I just don't think he fits into the manager's system neatly. That's not to say he might not have a part to play though, particularly with our injuries.

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12-09-2021, 05:29 PM
bigwheel

Scott Allan

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Originally Posted by LeithMike

I disagree. I actually think Ross doesn't fancy him. I think it's clear to see from Ross's signings (Murphy, Mackay) that his key attacking players are wide forwards with lots of pace and he likes energy and industry in the middle (Magennis, JDH). When he came in, I think he wanted to play 4-4-2 and Scott Allan ended up playing wide left. He's clearly not got the pace for that.

Allan is a player who you have to build your team around and most of the attacking play goes through. I just dont think that is the way Ross wants to play but I dont think that means Ross doesnt like flair players - I just think he likes players with pace and attacking verve.

I think some of the conclusions elsewhere on this thread that because Allan isnt getting a game means he is finished. I just don't think he fits into the manager's system neatly. That's not to say he might not have a part to play though, particularly with our injuries.

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If he didn’t fancy him , Why didn’t he get him a move on loan?

Allan does as you say require a certain shape , at the moment it is hard to find him a slot …also, everyone can see he’s not in the fitness that he was a couple of years ago…Ross seems to making the right calls, and Allan is not getting much game time.
12-09-2021, 05:39 PM
Allez Hibs

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Originally Posted by bigwheel

If he didn’t fancy him , Why didn’t he get him a move on loan?

Allan does as you say require a certain shape , at the moment it is hard to find him a slot …also, everyone can see he’s not in the fitness that he was a couple of years ago…Ross seems to making the right calls, and Allan is not getting much game time.

It has been widely documented that he was part of the botched McGrath deal with St Mirren as a makeweight.
12-09-2021, 06:20 PM
bigwheel

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Originally Posted by Allez Hibs

It has been widely documented that he was part of the botched McGrath deal with St Mirren as a makeweight.

It was also widely reported that McGrath was on his way to Boro before a late collapse in the deal..

If Ross didn’t rate Allan, he wouldn’t have waited until an unforeseen opportunity raised its head to seek to exit him ..
12-09-2021, 07:15 PM
B.H.F.C

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Originally Posted by bigwheel

It was also widely reported that McGrath was on his way to Boro before a late collapse in the deal..

If Ross didn’t rate Allan, he wouldn’t have waited until an unforeseen opportunity raised its head to seek to exit him ..

He’s hardly giving him any time on the pitch. He played an out of position, on loan striker in his position today. A week after trying to move him on.

I don’t think there is much more evidence needed to suggest that he doesn’t really see him as part of his plans.
12-09-2021, 07:19 PM
Bishop Hibee

You either build a team round Scott Allan or you don’t. Ross has chosen the latter and results are vindicating his choice. Pains me as I love Allan but results speak for themselves. I expect he’ll go out on loan in the next window.
12-09-2021, 07:22 PM
Brightside

He’s not playing cause he’s not currently good enough to command a starting slot.
12-09-2021, 07:24 PM
MWHIBBIES

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Originally Posted by Bishop Hibee

You either build a team round Scott Allan or you don’t. Ross has chosen the latter and results are vindicating his choice. Pains me as I love Allan but results speak for themselves. I expect he’ll go out on loan in the next window.

Allan has done well many times for Hibs when the team wasn't built around him. Hecky certainly didn't and he was our only player for weeks then.
12-09-2021, 07:34 PM
J-C

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Originally Posted by Brightside

He’s not playing cause he’s not currently good enough to command a starting slot.

Unfortunately this is true, Allan isn't the 1st and won't be the last really good player to come and go at Hibs, it comes to all players eventually.
14-09-2021, 03:21 PM
Slim Shady

Played 90 mins today and scored the last min winner against Falkirk. 2-1 Hibs
14-09-2021, 04:11 PM
Billy Whizz

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Originally Posted by Slim Shady

Played 90 mins today and scored the last min winner against Falkirk. 2-1 Hibs

Who all played?
14-09-2021, 04:11 PM
500miles

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Originally Posted by Slim Shady

Played 90 mins today and scored the last min winner against Falkirk. 2-1 Hibs

Apparently we had trialists on the bench?
14-09-2021, 04:12 PM
bigwheel

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Originally Posted by Slim Shady

Played 90 mins today and scored the last min winner against Falkirk. 2-1 Hibs

Great to hear.
14-09-2021, 04:43 PM
He's here!

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Originally Posted by J-C

Unfortunately this is true, Allan isn't the 1st and won't be the last really good player to come and go at Hibs, it comes to all players eventually.

I think that would easier for the player and the fans to accept if he had simply faded through age. Unfortunately, his third spell at the club has been endlessly blighted by medical issues from which it appears he is not able to fully recover. I find it hard to imagine Ross would not be making more use of a fully-fit Scott Allan.

What makes it especially sad is that Scott Allan and Hibs just go together. You don't get too many players like that these days. He's produced far and away his finest form for us and was outstanding in his first two spells and it's a real source of regret that he (and we) appear to have been denied the chance to see him maintain that form due to really unfortunate circumstances.
14-09-2021, 05:02 PM
keep the faith

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Originally Posted by Slim Shady

Played 90 mins today and scored the last min winner against Falkirk. 2-1 Hibs

Great news. Keep fighting away Scotty!
14-09-2021, 05:29 PM
blackpoolhibs

Scott Allan is probably my favourite this century, i'd love him to play and do what he's done in the past.

I think the manager see's a little more of him than we do, and if he thinks the players he's picking will do better then who am i to question him?

Results do back the manager, sometimes we have to back the manager on things.:top marks
14-09-2021, 06:00 PM
oneone73

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

Scott Allan is probably my favourite this century

Ahead of Sauzee and Latapy?
14-09-2021, 07:56 PM
Smartie

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Originally Posted by oneone73

Ahead of Sauzee and Latapy?

This may be controversial, but Scott Allan fit and on his game is up there with those 2.

That drop of shoulder, wee burst of pace to get by someone and then the weight of pass at the end of it...
14-09-2021, 09:04 PM
tamig

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Originally Posted by Smartie

This may be controversial, but Scott Allan fit and on his game is up there with those 2.

That drop of shoulder, wee burst of pace to get by someone and then the weight of pass at the end of it...

I agree.
14-09-2021, 09:07 PM
bingo70

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Originally Posted by Smartie

This may be controversial, but Scott Allan fit and on his game is up there with those 2.

That drop of shoulder, wee burst of pace to get by someone and then the weight of pass at the end of it...

Each to their own but not for me.

Latapy the closest equivalent in terms of the position they played but IMO Latapy a good stretch ahead of him.
14-09-2021, 09:10 PM
andudare2

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Originally Posted by Smartie

This may be controversial, but Scott Allan fit and on his game is up there with those 2.

That drop of shoulder, wee burst of pace to get by someone and then the weight of pass at the end of it...

not on the same level as those guys and never will be.Scott is a very good player,Sauzee and Latapy were well above being very good though.
14-09-2021, 09:27 PM
SMAXXA

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Originally Posted by 500miles

Apparently we had trialists on the bench?

Big CH I believe got the last 15m
14-09-2021, 09:42 PM
Allez Hibs

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Originally Posted by bingo70

Each to their own but not for me.

Latapy the closest equivalent in terms of the position they played but IMO Latapy a good stretch ahead of him.

Latapy is miles ahead of Scott Allan if compared.
14-09-2021, 09:53 PM
Callum_62

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Originally Posted by Smartie

This may be controversial, but Scott Allan fit and on his game is up there with those 2.

That drop of shoulder, wee burst of pace to get by someone and then the weight of pass at the end of it...

As good as Scott was he wasn't near either Sauzee or Latapy

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14-09-2021, 11:08 PM
Centre Hawf

Scott Allan on his day was an absolutely majestic player to watch for us in his first two spells. He arrived a time when we had been exposed to years of absolutely dire, turgid, talentless football. Then he arrived and he made me want to go watch Hibs again week on week (amongst the rest of the football we played obviously). Even in his 2nd spell he added that finishing touch to create a midfield three that I still believe was the best in the country for that half of the season.

Maybe his better days are behind him, I don't know. He doesn't deserve to start as everyone else says. But I just want to see him be able to fight for it, and if it doesn't work out by January and he and the club feels its best to move on then he'll go with my good wishes. But until then I just want to see him used when times call for it rather than fearing turning to him.
14-09-2021, 11:12 PM
Nicho87

Watched randomly the highlights hibs v sheep 3-0 couple years back now

His pass through to Boyle utterly ridiculous

Love the boy.
15-09-2021, 02:55 AM
FilipinoHibs

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Originally Posted by bingo70

Each to their own but not for me.

Latapy the closest equivalent in terms of the position they played but IMO Latapy a good stretch ahead of him.

Latapy was consistently outstanding in almost every game. We can't say that about Allan. Latapy was much more involved in the game than Allan.
15-09-2021, 03:36 AM
HoboHarry

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Originally Posted by Smartie

This may be controversial, but Scott Allan fit and on his game is up there with those 2.

That drop of shoulder, wee burst of pace to get by someone and then the weight of pass at the end of it...

Scott Allan has been a good player for us but the notion that he is up there with Latapy is just fanciful. Wee Russell was a mile ahead of where Scott Allan will ever be.
15-09-2021, 08:27 AM
flash

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Originally Posted by Smartie

This may be controversial, but Scott Allan fit and on his game is up there with those 2.

That drop of shoulder, wee burst of pace to get by someone and then the weight of pass at the end of it...

It's not controversial it's just plain wrong. He is great in his day but those two were simply majestic.
15-09-2021, 10:09 AM
Allez Hibs

Frank Sauzee - Champions League Winner
Russell Latapy - Played in the Champions League for Porto in 1996 before 4th placed teams were getting in and went on to play in a World Cup

Scott Allan is nowhere near them. But is it down to how far we had fallen that we had a stand out player and think we can make the comparison? Is this a byproduct of the poorer quality of the leagues since 2000? Hibs Hearts and Rangers all played Championship Football when Scott Allan was standing out initially.
15-09-2021, 10:34 AM
BILLYHIBS

Wee Russell is up there but does anyone remember the game back in 2015 when Scottie ran the show versus Der Hun and Ian Black got himself booked then subbed last heard of playing for Tranent Juniors

Pure dead brilliant so it wiz :greengrin
15-09-2021, 11:13 AM
Smartie

Scott Allan was a big part of dragging us up off our knees after relegation. Yes, he started in the Championship with us but so did Latapy and Sauzee (neither of whom I want to put down in any way in order to make a point). When Allan got fit during the Championship season he stood out a mile.

The best we got from Allan was during that half season with Lennon though. At that point he was playing in the top league in a good team, and he was different class. That team got the most points in Scotland during that half of the season and he was a big part of it.

Sauzee and Latapy were both magnificent but ON HIS DAY Scott Allan could influence games in the same way as they could. He probably wasn't quite as consistent as Latapy (who was immaculate during his whole time with us) and comparing him to Sauzee is a bit like comparing apples and oranges.

I'm happy that he's spoken of in the same breath as those excellent players. When I look back on my time watching Hibs, Scott Allan will be up there with my favourite players.
15-09-2021, 11:15 AM
Smartie

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Originally Posted by BILLYHIBS

Wee Russell is up there but does anyone remember the game back in 2015 when Scottie ran the show versus Der Hun and Ian Black got himself booked then subbed last heard of playing for Tranent Juniors

Pure dead brilliant so it wiz :greengrin

It was a phenomenal performance.

From being relegated at home to Hamilton in May to sticking 4 past the huns at Christmas and Scott Allan running the show. One of my favourite ever team and individual performances.
15-09-2021, 11:28 AM
TrinityHibs

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Originally Posted by BILLYHIBS

Wee Russell is up there but does anyone remember the game back in 2015 when Scottie ran the show versus Der Hun and Ian Black got himself booked then subbed last heard of playing for Tranent Juniors

Pure dead brilliant so it wiz :greengrin

4-0 going on 10. I have never seen a Hibs team dominate the Rangers the way we did that day. One of my favourite games.
17-09-2021, 10:33 AM
BlackSheep

Since the closure of the transfer window, Scott has really upped his training and has been staying late, more effort and doing additional training… trying to win Jack Ross back over. I’m glad to hear this and I’m sure many other are too.
17-09-2021, 11:30 AM
allmodcons

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Originally Posted by BlackSheep

Since the closure of the transfer window, Scott has really upped his training and has been staying late, more effort and doing additional training… trying to win Jack Ross back over. I’m glad to hear this and I’m sure many other are too.

That's really good to hear.

He's been written off by some posters, so nice to see he is working hard to get back in to JR's plans.
17-09-2021, 11:32 AM
Peevemor

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Originally Posted by BlackSheep

Since the closure of the transfer window, Scott has really upped his training and has been staying late, more effort and doing additional training… trying to win Jack Ross back over. I’m glad to hear this and I’m sure many other are too.

Fingers crossed.
17-09-2021, 12:03 PM
evy

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Originally Posted by BlackSheep

Since the closure of the transfer window, Scott has really upped his training and has been staying late, more effort and doing additional training… trying to win Jack Ross back over. I’m glad to hear this and I’m sure many other are too.

That can only be a good thing. Only the coaching staff and Scotty himself know where he is now and where he needs to be, hopefully the trajectory is upwards.
17-09-2021, 12:43 PM
Iggy Pope

Hibs seem to use his lovely wee coupon on their Twitter feed at every opportunity. There doesn’t appear to be any disenchantment and I’m glad about that.
17-09-2021, 12:45 PM
Since452

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Originally Posted by Iggy Pope

Hibs seem to use his lovely wee coupon on their Twitter feed at every opportunity. There doesn’t appear to be any disenchantment and I’m glad about that.

Thought that too. Wonder if he'll feature tomorrow
17-09-2021, 12:47 PM
Iggy Pope

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Originally Posted by Since452

Thought that too. Wonder if he'll feature tomorrow

If not then he’s a PR dream.
17-09-2021, 12:50 PM
Iggy Pope

https://i.ibb.co/pXLPfBg/F48-C22-E8-...D32-E70085.jpg
17-09-2021, 01:24 PM
J-C

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Originally Posted by BlackSheep

Since the closure of the transfer window, Scott has really upped his training and has been staying late, more effort and doing additional training… trying to win Jack Ross back over. I’m glad to hear this and I’m sure many other are too.

Glad to hear this, he may not be a 1st choice any more but he can still be a valuable member of the squad, his experience and skills will be needed during the season.
17-09-2021, 01:42 PM
blackpoolhibs

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Originally Posted by BlackSheep

Since the closure of the transfer window, Scott has really upped his training and has been staying late, more effort and doing additional training… trying to win Jack Ross back over. I’m glad to hear this and I’m sure many other are too.

I'm one of Scotts biggest fans, but i actually dont think this is as great news as others seem to think.

Why has he not been giving 100% before, and trying to win Jack over?
17-09-2021, 01:47 PM
Since452

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Originally Posted by BlackSheep

Since the closure of the transfer window, Scott has really upped his training and has been staying late, more effort and doing additional training… trying to win Jack Ross back over. I’m glad to hear this and I’m sure many other are too.

That's the kind of attitude i want from Hibs players
17-09-2021, 01:49 PM
J-C

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

I'm one of Scotts biggest fans, but i actually dont think this is as great news as others seem to think.

Why has he not been giving 100% before, and trying to win Jack over?

Probably has but remember he missed a big chunk of football due to his health scare and will be paying catch up, it's great he realises this and wants to do more.
17-09-2021, 01:56 PM
flash

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Originally Posted by BlackSheep

Since the closure of the transfer window, Scott has really upped his training and has been staying late, more effort and doing additional training… trying to win Jack Ross back over. I’m glad to hear this and I’m sure many other are too.

Imagine having the old Scott Allan back. Hopefully he is able to manage his health and still perform to his full ability.
17-09-2021, 02:29 PM
blackpoolhibs

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Originally Posted by J-C

Probably has but remember he missed a big chunk of football due to his health scare and will be paying catch up, it's great he realises this and wants to do more.

Aye perhaps, although it seems he's had a bit of a kick up the erse, and he's reacted the right way.

I hope he can get back to what we all know he can do, as he's a wonderful player when fit.
17-09-2021, 04:04 PM
Stuart93

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Originally Posted by BlackSheep

Since the closure of the transfer window, Scott has really upped his training and has been staying late, more effort and doing additional training… trying to win Jack Ross back over. I’m glad to hear this and I’m sure many other are too.

Me & my brother were sitting within touching distance of him on Saturday and both said he looks a lot trimmer than he was earlier in the season. Want nothing more than a fit Scott Allan doing what he does.

It’s also unfortunate for him that Magennis has found such good form
17-09-2021, 06:14 PM
jacomo

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Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs

I'm one of Scotts biggest fans, but i actually dont think this is as great news as others seem to think.

Why has he not been giving 100% before, and trying to win Jack over?

Cos he’s a human being?
17-09-2021, 07:00 PM
scoopyboy

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Originally Posted by Since452

That's the kind of attitude i want from Hibs players

What, you think they should just piss about in training and only when they are nearly out the door they take a shake.

No mate, they should be working hard all the time.
17-09-2021, 07:18 PM
J-C

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Originally Posted by scoopyboy

What, you think they should just piss about in training and only when they are nearly out the door they take a shake.

No mate, they should be working hard all the time.

Has he been pissing about at training?
17-09-2021, 07:52 PM
Tobias Funke

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Originally Posted by Allez Hibs

Frank Sauzee - Champions League Winner
Russell Latapy - Played in the Champions League for Porto in 1996 before 4th placed teams were getting in and went on to play in a World Cup

Scott Allan is nowhere near them. But is it down to how far we had fallen that we had a stand out player and think we can make the comparison? Is this a byproduct of the poorer quality of the leagues since 2000? Hibs Hearts and Rangers all played Championship Football when Scott Allan was standing out initially.

I will start off by saying I am a huge fan of Scott, absolute quality midfielder and the type of player I love to watch. However, he is nowhere near as good as Latapy and Sauzee. It’s not even close.

I would compare Scott to Liam Miller, another who was a joy to watch on his day. Allan more capable of that killer pass but Miller had ability in spades and was a player I’d love to have seen in a better Hibs side, like the 2017/18 one playing McGeouchs role.
17-09-2021, 08:06 PM
Unseen work

Dear god it’s not hard to work out that he’s doing a bit more to get noticed.

That doesn’t mean he’s not trying in training. He might have before put in 100% in training for the length of time it lasted then went home.

Maybe now he’s working harder by adapting his game to suit what Jack Ross wants? Working more in his own time defensively and winning the ball back.

In the gym he might be doing more explosive work to make him get faster and be stronger in winning the ball back and protecting it when he gets it.

Just because he’s putting in more effort now doesn’t mean that he wasn’t trying in training.
17-09-2021, 08:07 PM
scoopyboy

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Originally Posted by J-C

Has he been pissing about at training?

Not heard that, I'm only going by what Black Sheep has said.

Since his move fell through he is now seemingly working really hard, so why was he not working hard before?

My point was you shouldn't need a possible transfer to make you buck your ideas up.

We all know the stick that Stevenson and Hanlon get on here but those two knock their pan in, day in day out. When they hang their boots up they know they gave it their all and will have no regrets.
17-09-2021, 08:11 PM
scoopyboy

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Originally Posted by Unseen work

Dear god it’s not hard to work out that he’s doing a bit more to get noticed.

That doesn’t mean he’s not trying in training. He might have before put in 100% in training for the length of time it lasted then went home.

Maybe now he’s working harder by adapting his game to suit what Jack Ross wants? Working more in his own time defensively and winning the ball back.

In the gym he might be doing more explosive work to make him get faster and be stronger in winning the ball back and protecting it when he gets it.

Just because he’s putting in more effort now doesn’t mean that he wasn’t trying in training.

So why wasn't he doing that before then?
17-09-2021, 08:51 PM
J-C

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Originally Posted by scoopyboy

Not heard that, I'm only going by what Black Sheep has said.

Since his move fell through he is now seemingly working really hard, so why was he not working hard before?

My point was you shouldn't need a possible transfer to make you buck your ideas up.

We all know the stick that Stevenson and Hanlon get on here but those two knock their pan in, day in day out. When they hang their boots up they know they gave it their all and will have no regrets.

Has he just assumed he'd get back into the team on talent alone and Ross has told him to buck your ideas up or you'll be offski. The possible loan that didn't come off was maybe a eye opener for Allan.
17-09-2021, 09:11 PM
Unseen work

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Originally Posted by scoopyboy

So why wasn't he doing that before then?

Maybe it was a case of not needing to?

When Ross first came in Allan started the vast majority of games.

Last season he started off in the team before his heart condition left him out for months. He then went on loan to get games under his belt.

This season he started off as the first choice attacking mid with Magennis on the bench, one red card and a slight knock and he was out of the team.

Maybe he’s seeing what Magennis offers behind the striker and realises he’ll need to do similar off the ball to get back in?
17-09-2021, 09:46 PM
Lancs Harp

Isnt this just a question of due to his illness Scott just isnt capable of playing 90 minutes at this level? Buckets of talent but in the modern game you need more than that. He's never going to be a regular starter for Hibs going forward or if he does he off after an hour. Sad in many ways but its where Scott is.
17-09-2021, 09:54 PM
Smartie

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Originally Posted by Lancs Harp

Isnt this just a question of due to his illness Scott just isnt capable of playing 90 minutes at this level? Buckets of talent but in the modern game you need more than that. He's never going to be a regular starter for Hibs going forward or if he does he off after an hour. Sad in many ways but its where Scott is.

It might be, none of us really know.

I don't think he looks as nimble as he once did. It might be because of his illness, it might be because he's bulked up incorrectly. The main difference I've seen in him though is that he doesn't appear to be agile enough, to move his limbs like a professional footballer should.

The lovely weight of pass and the like is still there, you even get a wee burst of pace from time to time but something just isn't the same.

It's also worth remembering that box to box energy was never his game in the first place. It was short burst to create space then either create or score himself.

We've heard a few times in the past about Scott Allan redoubling his efforts to achieve peak fitness. I don't know what that might look like any more, but if he thinks he can find a little bit extra something from somewhere then that can only be good for us.
18-09-2021, 04:15 PM
lord bunberry

Should start the next game. I thought he was behind almost everything good we did in the second half. If he gets a run of games I’ve no doubt we’ll see the Scott Allan of old.
18-09-2021, 04:16 PM
Brightside

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Originally Posted by lord bunberry

Should start the next game. I thought he was behind almost everything good we did in the second half. If he gets a run of games I’ve no doubt we’ll see the Scott Allan of old.

He was great going forward but 100% to blame for letting his man go for the goal.
18-09-2021, 04:18 PM
J-C

Quote:

Originally Posted by lord bunberry

Should start the next game. I thought he was behind almost everything good we did in the second half. If he gets a run of games I’ve no doubt we’ll see the Scott Allan of old.

Made an immediate impact and showed glimpses of the old Allan, his side foot cross for McGinn's goal was sublime, great vision and a much needed boost for the squad getting him back playing well again.
18-09-2021, 04:19 PM
jeffers

Don’t know what the difference was today but he looked at it from the start today. Great to see him contributing again.
18-09-2021, 04:24 PM
Allez Hibs

Ran the show when he came on.
18-09-2021, 04:42 PM
bingo70

Thought he did really well when he came on, made a huge difference in the second half.
18-09-2021, 04:44 PM
calumhibee1

Scary to think we were willing to get rid of him.

We should be desperately trying to find a formation that gets him in the team.
18-09-2021, 04:45 PM
hibee_girl

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Originally Posted by bingo70

Thought he did really well when he came on, made a huge difference in the second half.

:agree:

The sooner he can play 90 minutes the better
18-09-2021, 04:46 PM
eastmainsmsh

keep it up 👍 would’ve been gutted if he went
18-09-2021, 04:48 PM
A Hi-Bee

Class is permanent, his body may end up letting him down over a long season but still one of my fav players to watch.
18-09-2021, 04:52 PM
Helensburghhibs

Though he was excellent when he came on and even a couple of what look like hit and hope passes over the top would have came off if him and Nisbet were on the same page (only comes with playing together)
18-09-2021, 04:54 PM
Centre Hawf

Seen enough. Start him.
18-09-2021, 04:57 PM
Nakedmanoncrack

Was the difference between 1 point (almost 3) and the zero we were going to get without him. Great impact after the dire 1st half, but like the rest of side, had faded by the end & they certainly finished stronger & were worthy of a point.
18-09-2021, 04:58 PM
Nicho87

Mad to think he could have been on the opposite 11 today.

I know Ross has signed decent players but the fact Allan was 30 minutes short of going and then Ross now telling bbc today he’s gave him something to think about.

I find that strange
18-09-2021, 05:00 PM
Keith_M

I realise my opinion is a bit extreme but... if a player like Allan (when fit) doesn't fit into your system then I'd question that system, not Allan.

I realise he's not ideal defensively but what he does contribute more than makes up for that.
18-09-2021, 05:00 PM
Peevemor

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicho87

Mad to think he could have been on the opposite 11 today.

I know Ross has signed decent players but the fact Allan was 30 minutes short of going and then Ross now telling bbc today he’s gave him something to think about.

I find that strange

It's not strange if it worked.
18-09-2021, 05:01 PM
J-C

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicho87

Mad to think he could have been on the opposite 11 today.

I know Ross has signed decent players but the fact Allan was 30 minutes short of going and then Ross now telling bbc today he’s gave him something to think about.

I find that strange

I think the McGrath deal was a loan for Allan and Wright, so couldn't play against us.
18-09-2021, 05:02 PM
Helensburghhibs

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith_M

I realise my opinion is a bit extreme but... if a player like Allan (when fit) doesn't fit into your system then I'd question that system, not Allan.

I realise he's not ideal defensively but what he does contribute more than makes up for that.

Agree
18-09-2021, 05:06 PM
calumhibee1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith_M

I realise my opinion is a bit extreme but... if a player like Allan (when fit) doesn't fit into your system then I'd question that system, not Allan.

I realise he's not ideal defensively but what he does contribute more than makes up for that.

Agree.

He’s a player who when he’s at it should really be well outwith out reach. Our system should be designed to make sure him, Boyle and Nisbet are at it as much as possible and preferably all on the pitch and at it at the same time.
18-09-2021, 05:10 PM
jeffers

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith_M

I realise my opinion is a bit extreme but... if a player like Allan (when fit) doesn't fit into your system then I'd question that system, not Allan.

I realise he's not ideal defensively but what he does contribute more than makes up for that.

I don’t think it’s extreme at all, has always been my opinion of him, focus on his strengths, not his negatives. Does Murphy for example offer much defensively, although I appreciate they play in different positions ?
18-09-2021, 05:13 PM
Smartie

Outstanding today, motm by a mile and it’s great to have him back.

He had 2 of 3 other moments that could have led to goals if more of our players were on their game today.

If that had been the case then any culpability for the 2nd St Mirren goal would have been immaterial.

It’s a shame if there was any blame attached to him for the goal, as that really wasn’t the story of his afternoon.

He’s back.
18-09-2021, 05:41 PM
BlackSheep

I have it on good authority that Scott has been quite lazy in training earlier in the season, which Jack Ross took a disliking to.

He is now back screwing the nut as they say as he realises hard work gets you picked over talent in Ross’s eyes.

According to my source Ross has changed the mentality of the club since coming in, for then better, emphasis on hard work and fitness.

I think it’s clear to see that Scott is getting more minutes as he is proving he is worth them… on the downside Scott’s health has also been a factor in his training, whether it’s stopped him going the extra mile or he is conscious of over doing it.

Catch 22 for Allan cos if he puts in the effort he’ll get game time, but it could also exasperate his health issues.

Fantastic from him today, definitely one of the most intelligent footballers I’ve seen play.
18-09-2021, 05:51 PM
LeithMike

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Originally Posted by Smartie

Outstanding today, motm by a mile and it’s great to have him back.

He had 2 of 3 other moments that could have led to goals if more of our players were on their game today.

If that had been the case then any culpability for the 2nd St Mirren goal would have been immaterial.

It’s a shame if there was any blame attached to him for the goal, as that really wasn’t the story of his afternoon.

He’s back.

Totally agree. He was at the heart of all Hibs' meaningful attacks. I'm pretty sure he wasn't really expected to track back to his own goal either so one of the 3 central midfielders should have been keeping an eye out.

Really good contribution, from a position he's not entirely comfortable, and gives us a completely different dimension. The current midfield 3 will have to improve to keep him out the team.

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18-09-2021, 05:56 PM
jeffers

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackSheep

I have it on good authority that Scott has been quite lazy in training earlier in the season, which Jack Ross took a disliking to.

He is now back screwing the nut as they say as he realises hard work gets you picked over talent in Ross’s eyes.

According to my source Ross has changed the mentality of the club since coming in, for then better, emphasis on hard work and fitness.

I think it’s clear to see that Scott is getting more minutes as he is proving he is worth them… on the downside Scott’s health has also been a factor in his training, whether it’s stopped him going the extra mile or he is conscious of over doing it.

Catch 22 for Allan cos if he puts in the effort he’ll get game time, but it could also exasperate his health issues.

Fantastic from him today, definitely one of the most intelligent footballers I’ve seen play.

I heard similar the other day and was really disappointed about it. Was also really surprised and wondered if he was just struggling to train fully. I’ve been critical of JR for not giving Allan more game time, but I can’t blame him if he’s not been seen to be putting in the required effort in training. Today was a marker, hopefully he starts on Thursday and goes on to play regularly.
18-09-2021, 06:19 PM
500miles

Saw both sides of Allan today. Great set up for McGinn, but totally left for dead when Marcus Fraser broke.

Certainly he's got a place in the squad.
18-09-2021, 06:21 PM
hibby6270

His vision for the cross on the first goal today was inspirational. It had to be a great finish as well of course but without Scotty ‘trying something’, the goal would never have been scored!!

Health permitting, he should play as often as he can imo.
18-09-2021, 06:40 PM
Shrekko

One swallow doesn’t make a summer but he looked totally different today and basically brilliant for most of that half.
18-09-2021, 06:48 PM
lord bunberry

Him coming on at halftime totally lifted the crowd which had been really flat up until that point. His pass for the first goal was sublime, we simply have to find a way to fit him into the team every week. All the talk about him not being the player he used to be was utter nonsense and not based on anything other than the fact that he had a health problem. Scott Allan is one of the best players I’ve ever seen in a hibs shirt and the fact that so many fans were prepared to write him off bemuses me, more worryingly our manager was willing to swap him for a player that couldn’t lace his boots. Form is temporary, class is permanent.
18-09-2021, 06:50 PM
lord bunberry

I also see that his detractors are now inventing stories about him not training properly. :rolleyes: I’m not having that.
18-09-2021, 06:57 PM
J-C

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackSheep

I have it on good authority that Scott has been quite lazy in training earlier in the season, which Jack Ross took a disliking to.

He is now back screwing the nut as they say as he realises hard work gets you picked over talent in Ross’s eyes.

According to my source Ross has changed the mentality of the club since coming in, for then better, emphasis on hard work and fitness.

I think it’s clear to see that Scott is getting more minutes as he is proving he is worth them… on the downside Scott’s health has also been a factor in his training, whether it’s stopped him going the extra mile or he is conscious of over doing it.

Catch 22 for Allan cos if he puts in the effort he’ll get game time, but it could also exasperate his health issues.

Fantastic from him today, definitely one of the most intelligent footballers I’ve seen play.

It was mentioned on the PM board.
18-09-2021, 07:02 PM
Bostonhibby

I always like to think that we should have a place for game changing talented footballer at Hibs.

Scott Allan is that. I remember hearing that players like Willie Hamilton and Ally MaCleod weren't the best trainers but to be honest I never paid to watch them train.

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18-09-2021, 07:03 PM
Hibeewilly

Quote:

Originally Posted by lord bunberry

Him coming on at halftime totally lifted the crowd which had been really flat up until that point. His pass for the first goal was sublime, we simply have to find a way to fit him into the team every week. All the talk about him not being the player he used to be was utter nonsense and not based on anything other than the fact that he had a health problem. Scott Allan is one of the best players I’ve ever seen in a hibs shirt and the fact that so many fans were prepared to write him off bemuses me, more worryingly our manager was willing to swap him for a player that couldn’t lace his boots. Form is temporary, class is permanent.

Good post M'lud agree 100%......he was involved in practically everything we created
18-09-2021, 07:05 PM
Smartie

I thought he looked miles sharper today though.

I’ve always been a fan and he showed us what he’s capable of today but he hasn’t looked fit enough to stake a realistic claim for a starting slot until today.

Maybe also worth remembering that when he first joined, he took a few months to get up to speed. He looked sluggish and ordinary in a Hibs team that was toiling, it was possibly late October or November by the time he hit his stride.
18-09-2021, 07:06 PM
lord bunberry

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Originally Posted by Hibeewilly

Good post M'lud agree 100%......he was involved in practically everything we created

He changed the game. We were dreadful in the first half.
18-09-2021, 07:17 PM
jeffers

Quote:

Originally Posted by lord bunberry

I also see that his detractors are now inventing stories about him not training properly. :rolleyes: I’m not having that.

I couldn’t be anywhere further from being a Scott Allan detractor, but I heard it too.

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