Fascinating read that, basically these clubs are so far in debt that they have to gamble on a one off chance to recoup the debts that they owe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
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Fascinating read that, basically these clubs are so far in debt that they have to gamble on a one off chance to recoup the debts that they owe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
That depends. If UEFA still control the bulk of football and can still generate huge revenues this could open the door for clubs like Hibs, Hearts, Aberdeen to compete and benefit from extra European places.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I hope the 12 get tossed out of next season's European competitions, opening up a dozen CL places. Hibs might get dropped straight into the Europa Group stages :greengrin
The American owners don’t want relegation so a second division seems unlikely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onion
interesting to see what the big German clubs do.
I think there will be so much opposition across the board for this that it simply won't get enough traction to go ahead. However, if it does, I will quite happily sit and watch from afar while the boat sinks, and be quite thankful that proper fitba will carry on regardless.
NFL style conferences would be more likely if they expand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stonewall
My Heart bleeds.Quote:
Originally Posted by ekhibee
One of the Ex players on Sky, basically saying the American model, doesn’t work in Europe. I know the Glaziers borrowed heavy money to buy Man Utd, what is the Liverpool situation with debt?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stonewall
We now have 3 American type owners in our top league at Aberdeen, Dundee Utd and Hibs. Think United and Aberdeen have a fair bit of debt, not sure they get out of it?
Mother of godQuote:
Originally Posted by Saint Hibee;[URL="tel:6531490"
https://twitter.com/English_AS/status/1384183158929649675?s=20
Really hope they do kick them out the CL and Man United/Arsenal out of the Europa league. That will genuinely show them that it is serious.
Also, there is no way they want their 6 UK franchises concentrated like they are, 3 in London, and 3 in theNorth West of England as they are at the moment. Franchising means moving cities, inevitably. Moscow City or Kuala Lumpur Red Devils, anyone? It’s not like the owners aren’t from Russia or the Gulf or anything :dunno: If you want the NFL/NBA model, accept the consequences.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
The Dirty Dozen will be vaccinated against relegation. The others invited to join them will sign whatever terms they're offered. Players, Managers, Commentators, Media, Owners will all be whoring themselves before long, simply because of the money involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stonewall
I'd be absolutely astonished if Celtic and The Rangers have not already been in discussions. Give it a day or two and sentiment towards this breakaway will change. Fans of the 12 will not give a jot about this, or the wider good of the game. They will pay ££££ to support their team.
good point, it also amazes me how UEFA can allow a football team play in the Champions league with near £1Bn of debt, so much for the fair play rules.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Onion
It will be very interesting to watch the fallout. Neither side can afford to back down now, more so UEFA and the national associations. It's the last chance for UEFA to show some integrity themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
I’ve bet on PSG, Villarreal and Roma to win their games. Banking on UEFA kicking out the others and awarding 3-0 wins to each.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWHIBBIES
It’ll never happen though.
Haven't the FFFP already been scrapped? I thought that happened when the Man City ban was overturned?Quote:
Originally Posted by whiskyhibby
If it does happen leicester will probably win again most likely.Quote:
Originally Posted by mayo hibee
Neither side can back down but there is a chance that one or two of the 12 lose their bottle. Although I would expect that there would be massive financial penalties from the super league if they do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
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If this does happen leicester will probably win the league again most likely.Quote:
Originally Posted by mayo hibee
Surely West Ham would be favourites if you discount games v the dirty 6?Quote:
Originally Posted by AliboyFC
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Someone mentioned Andy Walker earlier on the thread. It might be the clip I watched was different but to be fair to him (as I was ready to criticise him once again as well!) he only appeared to say that Celtic and rangers would jump at the chance and that would be down to money.. he didn’t actually say they SHOULD be involved. Basically calling the old firm what they are, like we all would.
On a totally different point. I was thinking about how often the managers of these English clubs involved are always bleating about having to play at reasonable times at the weekend, after playing midweek in Europe.. yet their clubs are wanting to sign-up to add a regular midweek competition!
Plan is to have a 20 team competition with 15 'permanent' members. The other five places will be competed for via a qualifying competition each season. The intention is to still have teams playing in their domestic competitions on a weekend with ESL games played midweek.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stonewall
Quite possible that Amazon Prime or Disney will buy up the rights for a Superleague.
Just watched an Internazionale fan in Beijing on the BBC news saying he’s keen on the idea as it’ll mean more competitive games. Says it all really.
Only plastic fans are keen on this ideaQuote:
Originally Posted by Bishop Hibee
Millions of them round the world. This guy had all the merchandise and pride of place a photo of himself outside the San Siro. That’s the fans they are interested in.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveHFC
ESL would not be interested in these 'diddy' teams, they are leaving the door open for the likes of PSG, Bayern and Ajax.....if these guys don't sign up there will be a big list of far more attractive prospects before they get to the OF.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onion
Carragher and Neville are spot on. They are ashamed of their clubs :top marks
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Originally Posted by hibsbollah
I’m sure World Super League will be the longer term aim.
Although we’re all being mean calling it a closed shop. Apparently the founding clubs are only guaranteed membership for the first 23 years. :greengrin
Klopp too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
Equally possible that they won't. If its empty stadiums and players that are effectively embargoed from all other competitions no broadcaster will go near it. I do think these greedy owners are overestimating the interest outside of Europe. How long would people be interested in seeing Man City hammer Arsenal or Real Madrid beat Spurs year on year?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop Hibee
Not for me. Had the chance to confirm he’s completely against it yet keeps saying he needs to see the details first. Has a go at the fans for having a go at the club, has a go at Leeds about standing up to it. I’d wager a decent sized bet that Klopp would be in charge of Liverpool for the first game if it goes ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveHFC
Could see Klopp walking from Liverpool in the next few days.
Not sure about that. Just seen him interviewed before the Leeds game and he looked like a guy struggling to be diplomatic.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbysam
Watched it myself and like I say, he could easily have said he completely disagreed with it and wouldn’t be there should Liverpool go ahead with it. He didn’t and ended up turning it into an argument against UEFA, FIFA, fans, Leeds, Gary Neville.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoboHarry
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Originally Posted by hibbysam
Klopp will be the Bayern manager next season.
He can't say that without resigning today. I think he will be gone before too long. Maybe to Bayern?Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbysam
Then he should’ve walked then.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoboHarry
Hope it gets made to those clubs/ franchises that if they leave for this super league and it goes pear shaped, returning to their current leagues would not be an option.
It would be , apply for admission and start at the bottom of the pyramid. About 10 years to climb back up in England.
Buying a Football league club and changing its name should also be blocked. If Man.U or the like buy something like Fleetwood Town to jump over a few divisions their name should still be Fleetwood Town , even if they’re playing at Old Trafford. :greengrin
Didn't a UEFA statement last night say any clubs returning to their own leagues would have to begin in the fifth tier?Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
They're not leaving their own leagues. The ESL would be midweek, with domestic games at the weekend.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenginger
"How did Spurs and Arsenal wangle an invite into this Super League? I'd rather watch the champions of San Marino; they're a joke to watch at the moment" :greengrin
Gary Neville
They have been told they we will be leaving, like or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
Are Spurs a much bigger club than Roma?
Not in terms of history or support I wouldn't say so. Probably roughly about the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by DH1875
Spurs commercially seem to punch well above their weight though.
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Originally Posted by CropleyWasGod
It’s just the thin end of the wedge. We all know that to be true.
I think Bayern want Nagelsmann to be their next coachQuote:
Originally Posted by HoboHarry
I’d also like to think this is the backlash we’d receive if we ever tried to piss off and leave the dregs of Scottish football to die in a ditch just so our owners can make a quick buck or 5.
They could be leaving their own league by tomorrow.
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We’ll find out soon enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbysam
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It’s hardly a Euro competition when it only involves 3 countries.
They need to get others on board or it will be tails between the legs for them.
Feels weird being on UEFAs side in this. Someone on the radio pointed out that they aren’t the good guys.
There aren’t any good guys. Just two group of horribly greedy suits that continue to fleece fans.
https://twitter.com/theathleticuk/st...587091457?s=21
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Would a League or an FA want 6 teams that probably don't want to compete in the cups or constantly play reserve teams? They don't need to win any competition to qualify for the Rollerball Federation. So what is the point of them other than ESL?
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Hats off to Neville but Mercer takeover bid a bit closer to heart
In your opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Wouldn’t be surprised if this is why Ron bought Hibs. Maybe he sees an Atlantic league as an inevitability if he heard this was in the pipeline and wanted in. Looks like these models generate money for owners in the US and he does have a background in broadcasting. Seems to make sense and answers a few questions about why he bought us in the first place.
https://twitter.com/theathleticuk/st...228875268?s=21
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Nah. This has absolutely nothing to do with Hibs (thankfully).Quote:
Originally Posted by 660
This is about the biggest commercial entities in world football wanting to maximise TV revenue from other parts of the world but mainly from Asia and North America.
Nobody, not even us Hibs supporters, is bothered about Hibs playing some Norwegian or Irish side.
Think the message of the last 24 hours, is be aware of American owners. I’m still scratching my head why Ron Gordon would buy us for football reasons, and nothing has changed this since he bought HibsQuote:
Originally Posted by 660
I still wonder why Sir Tom sold to him, it’s not as if he was needing the money
Don't agree with that at all. Ron Gordon has been good for Hibs and by all accounts seems to genuinely care for the club and it's community from those that have met him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
Just because he is American (well Peruvian actually) let's not all start looking at him as some kind of threat to the club.
RG has been open about why he bought us from day 1.
He used his own cash and didn’t put us in any debt at all.
Looking for problems that simply don’t exist. RG is doing fine by us and I have absolute faith he will continue to do so.
Do you think Hibs, Dundee Utd, Aberdeen and Dunfermilne with their German investors may be planning something?Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
Did you actually listen to what Klopp said. Before the interview with him, Sky read out a statement from 2019 where Klopp stated he was against any European Super League. The interviewer then asked him if his views had changed and he said no, I`m still against it.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbysam
I suggest you listen to it again
STF sold to Ron Gordon because he believed him to be genuine sincere and a safe pair of handsQuote:
Originally Posted by Since90+2
I don’t think we have anything to worry about
Didn’t he speak out against relegation quite early on in his ownership ?Quote:
Originally Posted by BILLYHIBS
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Dunno but Hecky was in charge when he arrivedQuote:
Originally Posted by bigwheel
He now says our #1 priority is qualifying for Europe
What a mess this all is, and will be.
I didn’t think anything could top last summer and hearts valiant fight against injustice for entertainment value but this summer will be fun.
im going to stock up on the popcorn
Did he?Quote:
Originally Posted by bigwheel
Ron’s seemed completely fine since he’s came in, taken a good interest in the roots of the club and community activity, nothing at all to suggest he’s going to be any sort of problem so far.
The only grievance raised on this thread against Ron so far that I’m aware of actually being true (and there is plenty I don’t know about him) is he’s American. Which is obviously a pathetic argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by HibsGW
Exactly the way I see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeeRussell
I agree. We need to stop thinking of RG as a Romanov style owner who has walked into the club and wants to pour millions in to win us the league, CL etc etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhileTheChief..
He's ambitious and he wants to take the club to successful new levels but he made it clear from day 1 that this was going to be a gradual process, starting with helping the club be solid financially as a base to work off.
I like his style tbh. Look what Romanov did with Hearts for example, came in promising them the world, they had a relative bit of success but then it all came mightily crashing down on them and they were a bawhair away from losing the club altogether. RG seems like a sensible guy and not a Romanov like heid case and I have faith that STF sold to a man that would look after the club.
Back to the original topic - the Super League is sheer and utter greed and once again people at the top happy to **** on true fans for money. Shameful and its this shameless level of greed that is absolutely ripping the heart out of football. Clubs absolutely selling their soul. As someone mentioned in a comment above, the true fans might walk away because you're always going to pack out the stadiums with tourists etc. But is that really what they want?! Stadiums packed with tourists, watching the game behind their camera phones instead of a stadium of passionate, true supporters. Corporate cold if you ask me.
RG has been a good owner so far. No complaints from me. He certainly seems to care more about on field success.
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He said he hasn’t seen all the details and only got told about it yesterday. He said he wants to see all the details and anyone having a go at his club should basically do one. Manages to turn it into an argument against UEFA, FIFA, Leeds, Neville. All he had to do was say ‘no I will not be taking part in such a league and have made that clear to the board of directors’ - he’s banging on about qualifying for the champions league when his club have already withdrawn from it 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Irish_Steve
Yeah I still haven’t heard a coherent reason for him buying Hibs. I don’t buy the “I have Scottish heritage and fancied buying a club” stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
I like Ron and he’s done well so far but a lower level version of this super league stuff would provide a concrete reason for getting involved with Hibs. It explains the increased American investment in football clubs generally, not just Hibs.
He’s not even American.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeeRussell
Agreed. Tarring all with same star spangled brush. I’ve neither seen or heard anything from RG since he took over that suggests anything sinister is afoot. Quite the opposite in fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeeRussell
It’s not even an NFL style model that they are proposing. Yes, there’s no relegation, but that’s where the similarities end really.
The NFL has tightly controlled budget / wage caps. Fixture lists are weighted depending on success, with the lowest performing teams also getting first pick of the draft talent the next year. The whole thing is setup to prevent any one team from dominating, with a fair chance that even the worst performing teams will eventually pick up enough quality draft picks to bounce back.
The ESL just seems to be a free for all for the 12 to continue spending without restraint. Their squads will get bigger and more highly paid, transfer fees will inevitably rise and so on. Even with the sort of revenue they seem to be imagining they’ll get, the sums still don’t seem to add up. Most of these clubs are already saddled with vast debts. I’m sure there will be the possibility for the likes of the Glazers to rip out more cash for themselves, but feels like the house of cards would still collapse, almost certainly if global interest falls short of expectations.
I’m actually surprised there isn’t some sort of budget / wage cap involved, unless there is and they haven’t announced it yet.
Aye, although he’s being lumped in as one of them. And that seems to be the latest concern from some on here questioning his motives for buying us. Mental.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
Surprised UEFA haven’t threatened it yet but I would imagine there will be a ban on Super league teams sending out players on loan to the domestic leagues, and that Barca and Madrid will loose there B teams. Could be a very good thing.
These models only generate money where there’s demand. There’s a clear and obvious demand, there’s no doubt that people across the world would pay to watch the big teams. The Atlantic League idea is **** because nobody would care enough to watch it. Where’s the commercial interest? Hibs are a nothing team to almost everyone outside Scotland. Filling up a league with teams that nobody cares about isn’t a good financial plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by 660
And even then it’ll have a shelf life where folk lose interest rapidly. It’ll start off huge, but once reality sets in it’ll be no bigger than the current competitions.Quote:
Originally Posted by easty
What an absolute tonic the Derry City documentary on BBC2 has been.
That's one of the biggest concerns for me, the squad sizes. These teams already have big squads and if they get their wish of remaining in all the domestic competitions they'll need even bigger squads. The additional £300m they'll each get every year will mean they'll be able to afford even bigger squads and will therefore be weakening all the other teams. I'd like to see a cap on squad sizes too.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottB
Im having otter nipple chips - if you get them while their hot they are lovely.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeeRussell
SPLITTERS
Oi! Just because it's true doesn't make it okay to say it!!! :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by easty
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Originally Posted by easty
The people in the countries concerned would watch it. The Atlantic league has some merit in allowing small countries to create big enough leagues with team of similar size. In the SPFL just now we have to accommodate 2 premiership size teams, 3 Championship size clubs, a couple of league 1-2 size clubs and the rest, non leagues size clubs all within the one top division.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbysam
One thing is clear though, it’s only going to happen if you take the governing associations with you.
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👍 all the more ridiculous then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
I noticed that reading someone who else’s post afterwards. Decided my point pretty much stood the same though.
They would watch it to begin with. When teams are struggling though absolutely no one is turning up to watch it or tuning in and watching it. It would need massively refreshed often.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Have to say, now I’ve seen Klopp, feels like he shat out of saying the right thing to be honest.
Bang on. I don't like the American system and don't want to see it in football but this is actually worse for all the reasons you've mentioned. They have some pretty strict measures in the US that stop any one team dominating, and those have been pretty successful except for the Patriots recently (and that's only because of Tommy Brady).Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottB
People will watch this Euro super league even though nobody wants it.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbysam
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To begin with, it’ll soon become very boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Aye, what football is all about. A good watchQuote:
Originally Posted by Renfrew_Hibby
Most of the EPL is boring but it still sells out stadiums.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbysam
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I'm firmly against this but some of stuff coming from commentators, UEFA and fans is hilarious.
This is Micah Richards on the BBC:
"From where Manchester City have come from, from Division Two [what is now League One] all the way to the Premier League and they earned that the right way through hard work, great support and not doing things the easy way and went all the way to winning the Premier League."
This is part of the problem. In what way did Man City earn their success? What they did was literally the easiest possible way. It was money and greed that bought them trophies. But people like him in the game turned a blind eye and keep enjoying the good times. Ditto the FA etc now getting upset when they've allowed all manner of people to own clubs. You reap what you sow.
For perspective though, this is all about replacing the Champions League, which is pretty boring in itself in terms of being very similar teams every year in latter stages.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbysam
The new proposals for that aren’t great either.
Agree. Funny listening to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by neil7908
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Klopp has made a total arse of himself tonight.
Standard for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by DiscoDoidge
It seems to me there will be a lot of meaningless games. The top 3 in each of the 2 leagues of 10 get through to the knockout phase and 4th playoff against 5th to get through. With no relegation then places 6th to 10th are meaningless. Would many tune in to watch teams battling it out for 9th place in the group.