These people can take so many kicks and beatings, but they cling on to the union. They're so dogmatic it's actually a little bit admirable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
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These people can take so many kicks and beatings, but they cling on to the union. They're so dogmatic it's actually a little bit admirable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
He shouldn't have been given the chance to resign, especially putting out that statement. He should have been binned the moment the report hit Sunaks desk.Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
If you read some of the reports about how he made people feel it's disgusting. These were senior civil servants, who will have plenty of experience and were being physically sick before going into meetings with him.
In any other industry he'd be out on his arse and would never work again. But I have no doubt he'll find a well paying gig in the media or somewhere else.
This narrative assumes that there are only two options; Tory UK or independent Scotland. That is, of course, not the case. It also assumes that an independent Scotland will automatically be better for the citizens than the UK. That is, at best, questionable. This narrative also assumes that the UK Government can't change. Clearly that isn't the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
Introducing the notion of cultural hegemony is interesting because it is, of course, a class analysis. It's not clear how that would overlay onto Scottish independence, which doesn't appear to be underpinned by a class based movement.
Perhaps. Would you apply that to all politicians?Quote:
Originally Posted by neil7908
I didn't see that version anywhere earlier but to me sacking seems the credible thing to doQuote:
Originally Posted by archie
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Summary and report bellow
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🚨 | NEW: Summary of Dominic Raab's bullying report:
- 44 written pieces of evidence and 66 interviews conducted
- Raab was "intimidating", "unreasonable", and "aggressive"
- Raab put his hand directly out toward an official's face to shut them up + banged on the table
- Raab referred to the Civil Service code to officials in relation to an outgoing project to "reasonably" imply disciplinary action against them in a form of a "threat"
- Sir Philip Barton then told Raab in private not to do this - but Raab denied doing it (Tolley finds he did
- Raab complained about "basic information" missing from officials - calling their work "woeful" and "utterly useless" - but didn't offer feedback
- Raab has altered his "approach" since - but he should have done this "earlier" after warnings from senior officials
- Raab "should have been aware of his conduct" or "at the very least, he should have been aware"
- Raab wanted to find out the "junior official" responsible for a "minor" issue and then for a "senior official" to apologise to him
- Raab required a meeting with a policy official for the "sole purpose of criticising them" for a late submission - despite there being "no underlying urgency" - the experience was "humiliating and upsetting"
- Officials took "special unpaid leave[]attributable to his conduct
- Raab worked "long hours" - and therefore became "impatient and frustrated when others do not deliver what he required"
- Some "media reporting was not correct"
- Raab did "4 separate interviews" totalling 2 and a half days
https://assets.publishing.service.go..._Minister.pdf…
So it’s Dowden. Another nutter from the lunatic anti woke fringe. Anyone remember One Nation Tories? It’s like saying ‘whigs’ it’s so long ago.
Did they ever exist. "One Nation" seems to me to be post-war mask they wear when they have to deal with an electorate who have put their neck on the line, like post WW2. Or a pre-War pretence when they need protected from an existential force, like the Napoleonic Wars.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Once the need for pretence no longer exists, like the fall of communism, they revert to their usual psychopathy.
What have One Nation Tories ever done for the whole nation?
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I liked that a Tolley got rid of a Toley. :greengrin
Well that’s a good question. It depends on your point of view. I’d say post Thatcher the One Nation Tory morphed into a toff who was concerned about policies that would placate the working class by giving them scraps from the table, in opposition to the neo liberals who were bold as brass about wanting to give them a good harsh thrashing. Heseltine the archetype.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
Before that, the class thing was reversed, a One Nation Tory was an oik like Disraeli, not a toff like Heseltine, who was all about, again, giving the working man scraps from the table to keep him quiet while the real movers and shakers kept the real money for themselves.
Scratch below the surface with these people and it’s all about social class.
Wasn't MacMillan the archetype. Toff who would favour things like mass social housing constr?Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Yep, good take.Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
Did he have any other choice? The state of the nation and the expectation of the generation who won the war would suggest not.Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
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Well clearly he had a choice. None of what you are saying is invalid. It also possible that he was part of a post war consensus on a range of social issues that led to his political approach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kato
Excellent. What a headline https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-sunak-scandal
Not sure what part of my post you are referring to but any politician, regardless of party, should be sacked immediately if an independent enquiry finds them to be a bully. And they shouldn't be able to walk into another job when one of us plebs would be struggling to find work with that on our record.Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
Labour MP Graham Stringer with a stinging rebuke on civil service on @GBNews:
"I find effectively civil servants sacking a minister, which is what has happened, quietly disturbing because one of the great myths in our political life is that we have a non political civil service".
Who is Graham Stringer? What a roaster.
A Labour MP who looks - and votes - like a Tory. A brexiter, anti-lockdown, anti-immigration, anti-climate change MP.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
As you say, roaster.
He is indeed a roaster and a solid argument for the Party deselecting candidates 😀Quote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
Pro-fracking, climate change-denying, anti-EU bammer. Occupies a similar space to fellow roasters like Kate Hoey and Frank Field.
He also had a right go at Ed Miliband for having a right go at the Tories, when Ed led. He thought it was unseemly.
Another walloper who likes to indulge his ego but is too much a hypocrite to stand as an independent.
Macmillan is associated by being PM for part of that period but the real driver was Ian Macleod and others. Probably surprisingly for some, Enoch Powell was part of that grouping as well, though he was at the less-interventionist end of the spectrum.Quote:
Originally Posted by archie
As for its roots, it is true to associate it with Disraeli, although he never used the term. He did lay out his thinking in ‘Sybil, or The Two Nations’ which is a very good read. The fact it was published around the same time as Engels’ ‘Condition of the Working Class’ illustrates the ideological contestation going on then.
Anyway, it is a bit of a stretch to claim Disraeli was acting to quell some working-class revolution, he actually was broadly supportive of the Chartists. He saw the real enemy as the newly-rich and newly-ennobled, who had acquired great wealth through the repeal of the Corn Laws especially and industrialisation generally. He saw this as the biggest risk to the social fabric and to social order.
In that respect Disraeli was a genuine ‘conservative’, wanting to retain the old order and the old ways. The parallels with the twentieth century are striking. One-Nation Toryism saw its threat as the rise of free trade in the mid-nineteenth century. Skip forward a hundred years and the threat was the rise of supply-side economics, deregulation and neo-liberalism. Essentially the same battles being fought all over again.
This is the modern Labour Party. Those on the left are forced out, but apparently he's fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
Nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by neil7908
His CLP haven't deselected him. The real issue is that he was leader of Manchester City Council for 12 years before he was elected as an MP. He has his own faction within the CLP who are solidly supportive and willing to indulge his rubbish.
Maybe a future deputy chairman of the Nasty party with that sort of CV?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
Just needs to work out how to feed a family for 29p.
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Revoke his membership and remove him from the party then. But I forget it's only the left that gets that treatment. This guy has no place in a party with any intention to govern with a left leaning agenda. I'm sure they could find a reason to get shot if they wanted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mibbes Aye
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Originally Posted by Bostonhibby
£3.59 minimum 😉
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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns
Another Nasty party fib then.
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Dominic Raaaaab was found guilty of bullying and stuff. Among the charges was that he used the Civil Service Code as a "threat of unspecified disciplinary action”.
We now have Health and Social Care Secretary Steve Barclay taking court action against the nurses in England. Of course he's only for their own good while threatening their professional registration at the same time "This legal action also seeks to protect nurses who could otherwise be asked to take part in unlawful activity that could in turn put their professional registration at risk and would breach the requirements set out in the nursing code of conduct."
How low can they go?
Suella Braverman asked if expenses cover speeding tickets on first day | The National
THE Home Secretary reportedly asked whether she could claim a speeding ticket on expenses, a Tory MP has revealed.
William Wragg shared the anecdote on social media in the early hours of Saturday morning and posted a picture of Big Ben following the tweet thread.
Suella Braverman and Wragg both attended a presentation given to new MPs on their first day in parliament by the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority (IPSA).
https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status...-xLD0esfw&s=19
I wonder what National Conservatism means?
Sounds like a Steve Bannon idea, especially in light of his connections to the Tory Party being revealed as far deeper than first thought.
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A piece on National Conservatism.
https://www.salon.com/2022/06/24/nat...-hypothetical/
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