The generic Hearts thread

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Originally Posted by Joe6-2

I’m sure the teams who lost out on playoffs would be interested if that lot get any compensation

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Exactly. Hearts are not a special case. The fact they think they are just reveals their arrogance and sense of self-importance. ALL the clubs who were disadvantaged by Covid-19 have a case for compensation - including Hibs. In an ideal world, there would have been a pot of cash to soften the blow but there isn't. Clubs are just trying to survive. Hearts desperate threat of legal action is as embarrassing as it is futile - a deflection tactic of Sevconian proportions. Budge, Levein, Stendel, their rotten players and staff will have to face up to their own responsibilities soon.

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Originally Posted by Onion

Exactly. Hearts are not a special case. The fact they think they are just reveals their arrogance and sense of self-importance. ALL the clubs who were disadvantaged by Covid-19 have a case for compensation - including Hibs. In an ideal world, there would have been a pot of cash to soften the blow but there isn't. Clubs are just trying to survive. Hearts desperate threat of legal action is as embarrassing as it is futile - a deflection tactic of Sevconian proportions. Budge, Levein, Stendel, their rotten players and staff will have to face up to their own responsibilities soon.

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:agree:

If hearts are given a penny then we should be squared up for the money we ‘lost’ by dropping a place.

Funnily enough, we’re not that pathetic. Infact, if it’ll shut them up, they can have the money we lost.

If they think any of they players are anywhere near good enough for the Championship then they’re in for a hell of a fright.

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Originally Posted by Tambo

Now pushing the blame on berwick.

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In what way?

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Originally Posted by AltheHibby

In what way?

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Saying they have messed up the whole of Scottish football.

I hope the SPLF finally put this restructuring to bed. Then we can all move on and they can start their legal case. When they lose then they will be liable for the SPLF costs. I’d be amazed if the premiership clubs agreed to given them more compensation that they are entitled too. They’ve been relegated and now don’t even have a vote as a premiership club that’s why she’s going down the route of 16 clubs. This is not going to end well for her or their club. At least being in the championship she’ll have another excuse not to hand over the shares.

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Originally Posted by Tambo

Saying they have messed up the whole of Scottish football.

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Is it Brechin rather than Berwick? I see them having a go at Brechin.

I see they also have a top 5 reasons to hate us thread. Honestly, I despair that people like that have access to public forums.

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Originally Posted by Peevemor

I wouldn't even give them that for 2 reasons. Firstly it's almost like an admission of guilt, as if they've been hard done by, when in fact the season has ended in accordance with already established rules. Secondly, they shouldn't be given a greater advantage over their fellow championship clubs.

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Add to that, why should Hamilton with a tiny turnover give money to Hearts with a much larger turnover?


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Originally Posted by Gloucester Hibs

I’d give them it on condition they now STFU about perceived injustices and all the other rubbish they’ve been coming out with. Basically not another word is said on the matter. Failure to do so and they get charged with bringing the game into disrepute.

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Bringing the game into disrepute charge no longer exists in Scottish football.


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Bringing the game into disrepute charge no longer exists in Scottish football.


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Figured as much. Certain clubs appear to say and do as they please with impunity.

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Originally Posted by AltheHibby

Is it Brechin rather than Berwick? I see them having a go at Brechin.

I see they also have a top 5 reasons to hate us thread. Honestly, I despair that people like that have access to public forums.

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It's actually North Berwick, think they're just working their way round the country blaming everything in their wake, Dunbar are equally to blame.

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Originally Posted by calumhibee1

:agree:

If hearts are given a penny then we should be squared up for the money we ‘lost’ by dropping a place.

Funnily enough, we’re not that pathetic. Infact, if it’ll shut them up, they can have the money we lost.

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The thing is, could Hibs not have conceivably caught Morherwell and Aberdeen? Could they not have caught the huns?

The fact is every club can take a super optimistic view of where they might had finished given an amazing end to the season.

But the league cant be finished like that, and so the closest they can come is to use past performance as the best indicators of future performance, i.e. av points per game.

Its not perfect, and most clubs can claim a level of injustice, but it is the most accurate way to still award league places based on sporting merit.

Ive said right from the start its the fairest way, despite it costing Hibs.

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Originally Posted by lucky

I hope the SPLF finally put this restructuring to bed. Then we can all move on and they can start their legal case. When they lose then they will be liable for the SPLF costs. I’d be amazed if the premiership clubs agreed to given them more compensation that they are entitled too. They’ve been relegated and now don’t even have a vote as a premiership club that’s why she’s going down the route of 16 clubs. This is not going to end well for her or their club. At least being in the championship she’ll have another excuse not to hand over the shares.

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Ok, Ann we've restructured the SPFL. Happy now ? :greengrin

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Originally Posted by James Stephen

The thing is, could Hibs not have conceivably caught Morherwell and Aberdeen? Could they not have caught the huns?

The fact is every club can take a super optimistic view of where they might had finished given an amazing end to the season.

But the league cant be finished like that, and so the closest they can come is to use past performance as the best indicators of future performance, i.e. av points per game.

Its not perfect, and most clubs can claim a level of injustice, but it is the most accurate way to still award league places based on sporting merit.

Ive said right from the start its the fairest way, despite it costing Hibs.

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:agree:

It really is that simple.

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Originally Posted by AltheHibby

I see they also have a top 5 reasons to hate us thread. Honestly, I despair that people like that have access to public forums.

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That’s really sad. What a desperate, small-minded bunch.

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Originally Posted by James Stephen

The thing is, could Hibs not have conceivably caught Morherwell and Aberdeen?

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It was highly unlikely but, mathematically, we could still have finished third.

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Originally Posted by James Stephen

Could they not have caught the huns?

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We were thirty points behind with 24 points to play for, so I'd say... probably not.

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Originally Posted by Keith_M

If we hadn't kept losing to the worst team in the league, we would have been fifth; even with Hecky's otherwise disastrous spell in charge.

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It’s so galling. Without us the maroon plums would have been well and truly stranded at the bottom.

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Originally Posted by James Stephen

The thing is, could Hibs not have conceivably caught Morherwell and Aberdeen? Could they not have caught the huns?

The fact is every club can take a super optimistic view of where they might had finished given an amazing end to the season.

But the league cant be finished like that, and so the closest they can come is to use past performance as the best indicators of future performance, i.e. av points per game.

Its not perfect, and most clubs can claim a level of injustice, but it is the most accurate way to still award league places based on sporting merit.

Ive said right from the start its the fairest way, despite it costing Hibs.

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Exactly. If hearts can go to court for what might have been, then every team must be treated the same.
Hearts dont have a leg to stand on.

Could Hearts take Mrs Budge to court? Employing Levein and Stendel as managers must be some kind of offence under legislation covering directors' responsibilities.

Kickback is a hoot

https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index...icket-refunds/

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Originally Posted by Keith_M

It was highly unlikely but, mathematically, we could still have finished third.





We were thirty points behind with 24 points to play for, so I'd say... probably not.

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Sorry, i meant Motherwell or Dons, im not THAT optimistic 😁

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Originally Posted by 04Sauzee

Kickback is a hoot

https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index...icket-refunds/

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To be fair most of them are pointing out that Hibs approach is perfectly sensible. Plus one of them makes an interesting point about whether VAT should be payable on the "potential refund" amount given that it's effectively a donation. I won't claim to understand the tax implications but hypothetically if Hibs were to refund 10,000 supporters £60 each, then that would include £100,000 of VAT and £500,000 of income. If all of those refunds were then donated back to the club they would gain the full £600,000 and thus be £100,000 better off? Could this be implemented by offering all supporters a specific opt in to claiming a refund then donating it back?

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Originally Posted by AltheHibby

I see they also have a top 5 reasons to hate us thread. Honestly, I despair that people like that have access to public forums.

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“ On the anniversary of the doing we gave them, what are the ultimate top 5 reasons you have for despising them?

Let me start with:

Their support.

Their bitterness, and inability to accept, that they are Edinburgh’s wee team.

Bleating on about a game that was played over 47 years ago. In which they gained two league points! Two.

Deeks.

Mickey Weir.

I choose ‘top 5’ because, if I hadn’t, I could have been here all night”


The OP claims he could have been there all night despite running out of ideas after 3 reasons :lolyam:

I accept that the current situation is far from ideal and its possible (not likely) that Hearts could have made their way off the bottom and into a play off place. I would much rather we had played the 38 games and they went down with no cause for complaint (although I am sure they would still complain).

The problems though are that there are very few options and no option works for all.

-Finishing the season whenever we can eats into the next one.
- Voiding the season puts the impact on Dundee United which flies in the face of their sporting integrity and no one should be impacted
- Reconstruction means that 12 clubs who will already be financially impacted are asked to give up a bit more to ensure Hearts and one other promoted club are recompensed. Then we have a situation where many more clubs are at risk of going down next year because we all did our bit to help hearts. Also see above re no one being worse off

There really is no good outcome here and hearts really should appreciate that. Rather than legal demands and threats and looking for reconstruction, they should be thinking about the bigger picture here.

Hearts essentially want everyone else to soften the blow for them, when their current position is all of their own making and arguably was avoidable.

I do feel for the SPFL who have to wrestle with all the above and I even see partly where Hearts are coming from. However, had they beaten St Mirren on that fateful night, I wonder what their position would have been.

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Originally Posted by James Stephen

Sorry, i meant Motherwell or Dons, im not THAT optimistic 😁

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Fair enough

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Originally Posted by Keith_M

It was highly unlikely but, mathematically, we could still have finished third.





We were thirty points behind with 24 points to play for, so I'd say... probably not.

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But there was still a chance :wink:

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Originally Posted by Skol

I accept that the current situation is far from ideal and its possible (not likely) that Hearts could have made their way off the bottom and into a play off place. I would much rather we had played the 38 games and they went down with no cause for complaint (although I am sure they would still complain).

The problems though are that there are very few options and no option works for all.

-Finishing the season whenever we can eats into the next one.
- Voiding the season puts the impact on Dundee United which flies in the face of their sporting integrity and no one should be impacted
- Reconstruction means that 12 clubs who will already be financially impacted are asked to give up a bit more to ensure Hearts and one other promoted club are recompensed. Then we have a situation where many more clubs are at risk of going down next year because we all did our bit to help hearts. Also see above re no one being worse off

There really is no good outcome here and hearts really should appreciate that. Rather than legal demands and threats and looking for reconstruction, they should be thinking about the bigger picture here.

Hearts essentially want everyone else to soften the blow for them, when their current position is all of their own making and arguably was avoidable.

I do feel for the SPFL who have to wrestle with all the above and I even see partly where Hearts are coming from. However, had they beaten St Mirren on that fateful night, I wonder what their position would have been.

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If Hearts had beaten St Mirren and were 2nd bottom they'd be saying **** all about reconstruction and would have voted to end the league. Absolutely guaranteed and them and their fans know it too.

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Originally Posted by Since90+2

If Hearts had beaten St Mirren and were 2nd bottom they'd be saying **** all about reconstruction and would have voted to end the league. Absolutely guaranteed and them and their fans know it too.

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Their fans don’t actually know it. They are that two faced and deluded they think they would have stood up to save erm a team they’ve hated for the past 30 years. Flumps.

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Originally Posted by Skol

I accept that the current situation is far from ideal and its possible (not likely) that Hearts could have made their way off the bottom and into a play off place. I would much rather we had played the 38 games and they went down with no cause for complaint (although I am sure they would still complain).

The problems though are that there are very few options and no option works for all.

-Finishing the season whenever we can eats into the next one.
- Voiding the season puts the impact on Dundee United which flies in the face of their sporting integrity and no one should be impacted
- Reconstruction means that 12 clubs who will already be financially impacted are asked to give up a bit more to ensure Hearts and one other promoted club are recompensed. Then we have a situation where many more clubs are at risk of going down next year because we all did our bit to help hearts. Also see above re no one being worse off

There really is no good outcome here and hearts really should appreciate that. Rather than legal demands and threats and looking for reconstruction, they should be thinking about the bigger picture here.

Hearts essentially want everyone else to soften the blow for them, when their current position is all of their own making and arguably was avoidable.

I do feel for the SPFL who have to wrestle with all the above and I even see partly where Hearts are coming from. However, had they beaten St Mirren on that fateful night, I wonder what their position would have been.

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They have handled this so badly even some of their own supporters are embarrassed. Tough as it may be they could have come out of this with a bit of credit for the good of the game, and I'm sure their supporters would have helped them take the hit financially.

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Originally Posted by Alfred E Newman

They have handled this so badly even some of their own supporters are embarrassed. Tough as it may be they could have come out of this with a bit of credit for the good of the game, and I'm sure their supporters would have helped them take the hit financially.

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The desperation may well be just that it is not beyond the realms of possibility that financially they are a lot worse than people realise. It makes sense the reporter who spoke with a leading club who discussed admin must have been Hearts. You cannot hemorrhage the money they have in all aspects of the business and be ok . HEARTS ARE GOING BROKE

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