Tories are still lying *******s

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

They obviously ordered more than was needed, so can they not sell or dispose of it.

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It's much worse than that, much of what was delivered was unusable. But in their haste to give multi-million pounds contracts to their friends and donors, awarding contracts to companies which had never supplied PPE before, some companies which had only been set up days prior to the contract being awarded, the Tories failed to ensure that we could get the country's money back in the event of non-performance.

The Tory PPE scandal dwarfs the ferries contracts in scale of corruption and loss to the public purse.

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

How are they connected. If anything it proves further that most politicians are charlatans, whataboutary is boring.

Although in saying that this story confuses me. They obviously ordered more than was needed, so can they not sell or dispose of it.

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The connection is the way the stories are being presented given the proportion of money and scandal involved.

The PPE is being stored until it is incinerated. It is being incinerated because its useless and doesn't have any value.

We (us, our tax) paid billions of pounds illegally to friends of Tory Party ministers for nothing but useless pieces of rubber and plastic and we are still paying a third of a billion a year to store while it waits to get destroyed.

The SNP's internal skullduggery is a story about what has happened to a part £600,000.

Both stories deserve scrutiny but there is very little coverage and very little scrutiny from either the press or TV on the PPE scandal.

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I must have read about 30 articles about ppe and dodgy contracts it's been everywhere. Thing is people generally don't think of covid anymore so news moves on.

There's 3 or 4 subjects getting merged into one here. Where does it say this ppe is defective and going to be destroyed, there was defective ppe but I don't think this in storage is, has that just been added.

There was an unprecedented bidding war for ppe we clearly bought too much but I don't think that is anyone's fault, same goes for most of the defective stuff no.

What needs prosecuting is contracts to tory friends and donors, I doubt it will sadly.

The tories are **** and dodgy that isn't news, for most of the public thought they are fed up of the SNP constantly saying why are you complaining about us were not as bad as the Tories. Of course they aren't as bad as the tories but the self implosion is still big news and deserves covered as such

Rishi under investigation again from parliamentary standards officers due to not declaring an interest

https://mobile.twitter.com/electpoli...29857504956417

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

I must have read about 30 articles about ppe and dodgy contracts it's been everywhere. Thing is people generally don't think of covid anymore so news moves on.

There's 3 or 4 subjects getting merged into one here. Where does it say this ppe is defective and going to be destroyed, there was defective ppe but I don't think this in storage is, has that just been added.

There was an unprecedented bidding war for ppe we clearly bought too much but I don't think that is anyone's fault, same goes for most of the defective stuff no.

What needs prosecuting is contracts to tory friends and donors, I doubt it will sadly.

The tories are **** and dodgy that isn't news, for most of the public thought they are fed up of the SNP constantly saying why are you complaining about us were not as bad as the Tories. Of course they aren't as bad as the tories but the self implosion is still big news and deserves covered as such

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Ok. Let's just forget the Billions of pounds stolen.



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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

I must have read about 30 articles about ppe and dodgy contracts it's been everywhere. Thing is people generally don't think of covid anymore so news moves on.

There's 3 or 4 subjects getting merged into one here. Where does it say this ppe is defective and going to be destroyed, there was defective ppe but I don't think this in storage is, has that just been added.

There was an unprecedented bidding war for ppe we clearly bought too much but I don't think that is anyone's fault, same goes for most of the defective stuff no.

What needs prosecuting is contracts to tory friends and donors, I doubt it will sadly.

The tories are **** and dodgy that isn't news, for most of the public thought they are fed up of the SNP constantly saying why are you complaining about us were not as bad as the Tories. Of course they aren't as bad as the tories but the self implosion is still big news and deserves covered as such

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Unfortunately, there are politicians, members of the media and plenty other members of the public who have been trying to convince everyone for a long time that the SNP are actually very much worse than the Tories. It's so clearly untrue and out of touch with reality it's difficult to understand why these people constantly try to gaslight everyone with it, but there certainly is a willing audience who will desperately accept it and share it as fact rather than completely outrageous lies.

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

There was an unprecedented bidding war for ppe we clearly bought too much but I don't think that is anyone's fault, same goes for most of the defective stuff no.

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Originally Posted by Kato

Ok. Let's just forget the Billions of pounds stolen.



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I said prosecute them personally in the thing you've just quoted

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Who's fault is it for buying too much. We didn't know how long it would last, if vaccines would work or if it would mutate. Surely we had to be prepared for if vaccines didn't work.

Probably why you shouldn't group it in with the real scandal of contracts being awarded to companies with links to the Tories for example

I see Rishi is under investigation now. Will Tories be calling for his suspension from the party the way they have been NS these last couple of weeks?


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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

Who's fault is it for buying too much. We didn't know how long it would last, if vaccines would work or if it would mutate. Surely we had to be prepared for if vaccines didn't work.

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You're very generous in your excusing the Tories for the PPE scandal. Here's the DHSC report on PPE (from February 2022, so a year out of date). At that time the Tory Government reported write downs of:

• £0.67 billion - "PPE which cannot be used, for instance because it is defective."
  
• £2.6 billion - "PPE which is not suitable for use within the health and social care sector but which the Department considers might be suitable for other uses (although these potential other uses are as yet uncertain)."
  
• £0.75 billion - "PPE which is in excess of the amount that will ultimately be needed."
  
• £4.7 billion - "Adjustment to the year-end valuation of PPE due to the market price of equivalent PPE at the year-end being lower than the original purchase price."

Note that those amounts are Billions of pounds.

If there HAD been a ‘bidding war’, instead of giving contracts to political mates, that would have been a bit better. Other countries managed it without the whole billions ‘lost’ thing.

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Originally Posted by grunt

You're very generous in your excusing the Tories for the PPE scandal. Here's the DHSC report on PPE (from February 2022, so a year out of date). At that time the Tory Government reported write downs of:

• £0.67 billion - "PPE which cannot be used, for instance because it is defective."
  
• £2.6 billion - "PPE which is not suitable for use within the health and social care sector but which the Department considers might be suitable for other uses (although these potential other uses are as yet uncertain)."
  
• £0.75 billion - "PPE which is in excess of the amount that will ultimately be needed."
  
• £4.7 billion - "Adjustment to the year-end valuation of PPE due to the market price of equivalent PPE at the year-end being lower than the original purchase price."

Note that those amounts are Billions of pounds.

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There needs tobe questions asked for future pandemis but everyone panicked and trampled over each other to get ppe. Germany bought 1.2 billion of defective masks in the first month, France 1.5 billion on defective gloves. Here's an article on different European countries scrambling for equipment and getting faulty stuff Holland 600,000 unusable masks for example
https://euobserver.com/health-and-society/147958

It's incompetent but I don't think they deliberately thought the Chinese masks would be poor quality. It seems ridiculous that they can't claim the money back.

The last two on the list no one is to blame for. They bought too much but would have been criticised if vaccines didn't work and their wasn't ppe. The 4.7 billion, what are they meant to do with depreciation of goods post a working vaccine. Some were reluctant for mask wearing to stop so it could have been more if they wanted it. It's similar to those who complained about testing ending but also complain about the billions spent on testing.

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

There needs tobe questions asked for future pandemis but everyone panicked and trampled over each other to get ppe. Germany bought 1.2 billion of defective masks in the first month, France 1.5 billion on defective gloves. Here's an article on different European countries scrambling for equipment and getting faulty stuff Holland 600,000 unusable masks for example
https://euobserver.com/health-and-society/147958

It's incompetent but I don't think they deliberately thought the Chinese masks would be poor quality. It seems ridiculous that they can't claim the money back.

The last two on the list no one is to blame for. They bought too much but would have been criticised if vaccines didn't work and their wasn't ppe. The 4.7 billion, what are they meant to do with depreciation of goods post a working vaccine. Some were reluctant for mask wearing to stop so it could have been more if they wanted it. It's similar to those who complained about testing ending but also complain about the billions spent on testing.

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I'm with you on those last two. Imagine if we had ran out of PPE. As you said on another post, the government didn't know how bad it was going to get, what would happen with different variants and whether vaccines would exist or work.

Again, on the purchase price being higher than the current value... yes there might be an element of Tory chums overcharging but it was also bought at a time every country was desperately trying to buy scarce PPE. Of course, that would drive the price up and as more PPE became available (and more suppliers came on the scene), the price would go down.

The real scandal is the way the contracts were tendered for (or lack thereof), issued and managed.

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Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7

The last two on the list no one is to blame for. They bought too much but would have been criticised if vaccines didn't work and their wasn't ppe. The 4.7 billion, what are they meant to do with depreciation of goods post a working vaccine.

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I'm with you on those last two. Imagine if we had ran out of PPE. As you said on another post, the government didn't know how bad it was going to get, what would happen with different variants and whether vaccines would exist or work.

Again, on the purchase price being higher than the current value... yes there might be an element of Tory chums overcharging but it was also bought at a time every country was desperately trying to buy scarce PPE. Of course, that would drive the price up and as more PPE became available (and more suppliers came on the scene), the price would go down.

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There are examples - I don't have time to find them now - of PPE being purchased late on from Tory friends and family via the VIP lane, at prices which were - at the time they were bought - higher than the then current market prices. Blatant corruption from a Tory party who cynically used the cover of the pandemic to line the nests of themselves and their friends. They should be in prison. And the money should be repaid.

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

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Not sure what she's getting at.

The story was discussed at length last year, including on here.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/23...og/?ref=twtrec

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SCOTTISH Tory MP David Mundell has joined the growing list of Conservatives under investigation by the parliamentary standards watchdog.

The MP for Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale is facing a less serious charge than Sunak, being probed for his “use of facilities [stationery] provided from the public purse”.

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Not another one. 😆

How’s Michelle Mone doing? Is she still relaxing in Honduras after her link to PPE contracts? Has Honduras got an extradition policy with the UK yet?

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How’s Michelle Mone doing? Is she still relaxing in Honduras after her link to PPE contracts? Has Honduras got an extradition policy with the UK yet?

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Maybe she is down there because she just wants to be nearer her share of the money?

Well the taxpayers money but in these crooks heads it's theirs to use and abuse since they had been fast tracked to it after all?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politi...at_format=link

Amazing to see how it works at Westminster. You only need to declare things if you get caught.


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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politi...at_format=link

Amazing to see how it works at Westminster. You only need to declare things if you get caught.


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The culture is very much we can push the boundaries and do what we want because we will bury it in a toothless long term enquiry and/or get away with it anyway, like the last time.

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Another sad day. The tories give Braverman the power to ignore the ECHR, depressing and disgusting

stick a tent outside his new house :agree:

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Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875

stick a tent outside his new house :agree:

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One of many but how many arrests have we seen whilst police investigate all these corruption scandals?

Levelling up at a cost of just £110.

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https://twitter.com/peston/status/16...dxJXScFNwz8V4A

Sunak too scared to sack Rabb?


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

https://twitter.com/peston/status/16...dxJXScFNwz8V4A

Sunak too scared to sack Rabb?

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https://twitter.com/Trump_ton/status...585638916?s=20

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https://twitter.com/peston/status/16...dxJXScFNwz8V4A

Sunak too scared to sack Rabb?


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Quite possibly. IT's a win-win in terms of ammunition against the Tories either way, so long may it continue.

One potential and more innocent explanation is that Michelle Donelan is about to go on mat leave, which will necessitate some reshuffling. If Raab is out then it is more practical to roll it all up into one exercise.

The other factor is the May elections - sack now and open up a bag of questions about what Sunak knew wehen appointing him? Keep him and be accused of weakness or condoning bullying? He can't kick it down the road until after the elections without it looking hopelessly dodgy.