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Airdrie Orange hall (an establishment older Hibbies will remember the stench of walking past). Or two kids dressed up as victims of the holocaust. Can't describe which is the more disgusting. I hate these *******s. The worrying thing is these kids will be allowed to grow up.
... not to mention have kids of their own. The cycle continuesQuote:
Originally Posted by Iggy Pope
Sure I saw it on Trainspotting 2 :greengrin:greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Iggy Pope
For all the fantastic things Dempster has achieved so far, it does seem to me that she is happy to join Petrie's stance of "sporting integrity" and listening to the fans when it suits and doesn't rock the boat at the SFA gravy train. How many examples of sectarian abuse did we encounter under Stubbs alone from The Rangers, never mind under Neil Lennon, where the club just swept it under the carpet.
The fans reps also appear to only be fans reps when it comes to representing us on the easy stuff.
I may be wide if the mark on both counts,, but all I can conclude from the usual wall of silence on certain subjects.
You'll no doubt hear from them at the next election.Quote:
Originally Posted by Right Said Frank
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That's pretty unfair on the reps and the club. The club can't simply produce a statement mirroring the agenda of a couple of Celtic FC blogs which is what some here seem to be demanding. If they come out with anything less than demanding that titles be stripped then it simply will not satisfy some. The club have swept nothing under the carpet, they have made their representations in a measured and business like mannerQuote:
Originally Posted by Right Said Frank
It may be that Tracey is being silent because herself and Frank want a stronger statment than is proposed to be released or it may be that they realise that they simply can't win on this one. We know that the isssue was raised at board level by them, that doesn't mean they can get a proposed course of action voted through.
Sevco and Celtic were so far ahead of us financially at the time of the EBT's it was frightening. Sevco got even greedier and fixed what was effectively a two horse race, hence the reason that those shouting the loudest are Celtic minded bloggers. I really hope our club does better than follow them.
What would be better?Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
Very sensible post.... I've been adamant for a long time that they need some form of reprimand, even just wee stars in the records of the impacted years.... Simply to shut up the Rangers fans who to this day crow about their achievement and deny anything underhand helped them to get there.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
It's looking like even the wee stars ain't gonna happen so I'm now getting to the position I'm no longer bothered about it.
That probably what the big wigs want I guess :-(
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It's not good though if the fans reps just ignore the fans if the issue is a bit difficult for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
The fact is, we were told a statement would be issued. That it had been agreed at board level. Were we being lied to? Were our fans reps lied to? If a course of action is agreed at board level, why has it not happened?
These are all fairly legitimate questions to ask.
The game in Scotland is run by the clubs and therefore we have to question our clubs when we see something that looks wrong.
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Anything that doesn't merely pander to the desire of Celtic bloggers and others driven more by the desire to give Sevco another kicking than anything else. Please don't come back with "sporting integrity." If that was the major driving force then every other club in the land would have demanded further punishment for Hearts. Apart from us nobody really gave a toss.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
This is it entirely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Clearly a statement is not being made now and the fans reps have been told not to talk about the reasons why. I agree it makes a mockery of having these reps and this comes on top of some doubts many had and which we were promised by some candidates would change.
I for one will not vote in these again unless there is a 'none of the above' option
I wouldn't particularly be bashing the phrase 'sporting integrity' about as that's Rod - or as the Celtc bloggers call him, Rob - Petrie's phrase. It's not really primarily about giving The Rongers a kicking - it's just that if NOTHING is done, as Ann Budgie and Stewart Milne appear to want, then I don't see how Scottish Fitba is really any different from professional wrestling.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
They are board members so are bound by collective responsibility. That's different from being told not to talk about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skol
My guess is the board had agreed to release a statement but there is no agreement on what that statement should say. Just a guess of course but it would mean nobody has lied.
I'd find it hard to believe the board agreed to release a statement but did not discuss the contents?Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
This is not really about Rangers. This is about the SFA failing to ensure the game is run fairly.
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If it is a Board statement, why are you hounding the reps for it? Are they just there to take the flak?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Maybe seek clarification from Chairman or CEO on the "stance"
Well said. If anybody has to clarify what has happened here then it is the Chair.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn
To be fair to ozy it was Tracey who came on here and said a statement was coming shortly. I think the least she could do would be to come on and say she is unable to make comment at the moment for whatever reasonQuote:
Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn
I've made my point before that I think the club should be focussing on our future progress than making a statement on this. However think ozy is correct in expecting some sort of reply
It's blatantly obviously that Hibs won't put a statement out now, and if they did, why would it come from fan's reps?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blaster
This would be a top level statement, not really what reps are to do....
Think you are missing the point. I don't believe ozy is expecting a statement about the issue from the reps. It was Tracey who advised one was being issued and stated so on here. Ozy is only asking for a response to thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn
Anyway I'm out as I never wanted a statement in the first place!!
Think the statement would be futile anyway Blaster, not sure what Hibs are meant to say....The powers that be, won't strip titles, as fans we have to suck it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blaster
I agree mate. For me the spfl have asked for an independent review and I don't see the need for hibs to add anything furtherQuote:
Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn
I dont expect the fans rep to make a statement, but one of them did say a statement would be made by the club before the season starts and has then gone silent when asked why the statement hasnt been made,
For what its worth I think a statement would be pretty pointless anyway.
However, what we were told by the fans rep with the current silence is what irks me, especially when elected on a campaign of more open communication.
How dd Albion Rovers get kicked out of a cup for one minor indiscretion yet Rangers had players for years that were not properly registered and got kicked out of hee haw?
Something stinks.
Because the powers that be run "our" game for two teams only. The rest are not relevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Famous Fiver
In Albion Rovers case it was a clear breach of the rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by Famous Fiver
It's taken years to establish that EBTs were illegal and it is far from clear that they actually broke any rules as they stood a the time. I wish that wasn't the case but sadly it is.
Which is why people are asking questions. The clubs run our game, so it's up to us to ask why our club wants to just accept this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn
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It is clear to everyone (although Rangers fans will deny it) that there is no need to strip titles as the only titles won by the Rangers are the three lower league titles which were won fairly and squarely.
Rangers can continue to claim as they please, but just look silly as a result
They hid the side letters at the time, which was as clear a breach of rules as you could get.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
That's something you will have to ask the Execs, not the volunteersQuote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Not at the time it wasn't. I'm not defending Sevco by the way. I wish Ibrox was flats now. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
Are you sure about that? Do you mean that at some point in the past it was ok to not report part of a player's remuneration to the SFA?Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
I assume he means that at the time it wasnt widely known about the side letters.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
That's kind of my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by stantonhibby
The reason nobody knew about those side letters, was because they hid them. Rangers hid the side letters and was a clear breach of the rules AT THAT TIME.Quote:
Originally Posted by stantonhibby
Yeah I know that.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
I mean it wasn't clear that was what had happened at the time.
How come even some of our ain still incredibly try to defend that? Guilty as sin! Everyone knows! You'd expect the guilty to try to deflect of course. But "Hibbies" that went to games to see gascoigne laudrup etc beating Hibs & they were only there because they were getting sneaky untaxed side payments, what exactly is the motivation in trying to to defend such breaches of the rules. SIDE LETTERS!Quote:
Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
It is clear now though. The fact that they lied to hide a breach of the rules should not be time barred. Such a ruling would be a travesty of justice and renders the very existence of rules a farce.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
I don't see anybody defending it.:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by majorhibs
Rangers and Celtic were financially well out of sight of us at that time without the EBTs. They fixed a two horse race. They cheated when they really didn't have to.
A reasonable suggestion that perhaps lays bare the issue the Reps are facing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baldy Foghorn
Good PR and a route for fans to contact the club. Representation when others are not available.
But ultimately not part of the inner circle
Our Chairman is currently Vice President at the SFA, the organisation that has failed spectacularly in it's duty to look after the game. He is also the current chair of the Professional Game board. Given how poor (non existent would be another description) the SFAs response was to the EBT ruling I don't sit completely surprised at the silence from ER. We do have someone in a position of influence though.
ATM the Reps appear to been painted into a corner. Their next update will be scrutinised and if it contains nothing on this they will have been hung out to dry. The club could sort this with a statement, irrespective of how tepid.
A sad, and unintended consequence of this seems to be that the updates from the Reps has stopped.
I do think that this situation should moderate any expectations around an HSL director as well - exercising the voting rights will be HSLs strongest card.
Part of the reason I think there is a need for scrutiny, is that I am yet to be convinced that there is anything in place to effectively deal with clubs that live beyond their means.
As an aside, Doncaster made a big play of being prepared to meet fans groups to discuss the SPFL position. Have we had any groups contacted?
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Look how beatable the new club are without the ebt's. We need to make sure they can never do it again. We can only do that by finding out how they got away with it in the first place and strengthening the rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
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They're beatable because they were relegated and have failed to rebuild. You can't compare the Rangers team back then and Sevco today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
I totally agree, the priority has to be making what they did a clear breach of the rules. They got away with it because they saw a loophole and exploited it.
Rangers were found guilty of not registering players correctly so there were rules in place. Lord Nimmo-Smith's commission fined them £250,000 for it. The question is why the commission thought a fine was appropriate when other clubs, most recently Albion Rovers, have been kicked out of tournaments for minor mistakes in registration.
Rangers' punishment was the equivalent of a thief who's stolen £10,000 being fined £250 and being allowed to keep the stolen goods.
You're having an off day today M59.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
There was no loophole. It was against the rules to pay players outside their contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
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But who knew at the time that was what EBT's were doing? Rangers weren't the only club to use them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
Actually I don't know why I am still in this conversation. I was only trying to go give reasons for the club and supporters directors silence. :greengrin
You are defending it, & we all know they were cheating. Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
Point out where I am defending it. I've given reasons why I think it's not easy for the club to issue a statement aligned with those of a few Celtic bloggers. I have defended nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by majorhibs
This has always been the key point. The broke the rules and they knew they were breaking the rules. They were then subsequently caught, just as many cheats in other sports have been caught after the event, and like those other cheats they should now be punished for that cheating by having the prizes they won taken away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
The current sevco are irrelevant in all this. It is the Rangers which were liquidated in 2012 which should be punished. It is a bit like discovering a dead Olympic athlete who won gold was actually a drugs cheat, the IOC would still strip them of their gold medal.
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Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
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Ozy's post suggested if they hadn't used EBTs they would have been easily beatable back then, much as they are now. That's not true. Even without the EBTs they would have been miles ahead of us. They cheated to win their two horse race with Celtic.Quote:
Originally Posted by lapsedhibee
No! No! No! The priority is NOT what you think! If even 1 X Hibs fan is disgruntled because they paid money to watch their team for 10 years try to win, while another team cheated sneakily & won most of the honours because of that cheating, ( & Dinnae come back wi any nonsense please, they had players so far out of reach of ALL our league, because they paid them EBTs, but got caught because of SIDE LETTERS) so please go back in your box because there is A LOT more than 1 disgruntled fan resentful at having been cheated for 10 years, who will not come close to closure until the right thing is done here. & your references earlier to celtic blogs & nonsense earlier is shameful! Personally I think of only Hibs & the damage done to Hibs here. I do not think I am alone in that! But you crack on with your agenda & brand folk at odds with YOUR views why don't you.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
I have no agenda. I'd love the see the titles gone. I'd love to see the whole club gone. It's not that simple though and as I have already said I posted in defence of the club reps.Quote:
Originally Posted by majorhibs
I'll respect your opinion though, no need for you to get back in your box. :greengrin
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Originally Posted by marinello59
This is not relevant. Other clubs have been thrown out of competitions for fielding an ineligible player, whether or not that gave them an advantage.
Rangers have defended use of EBTs because they say other clubs could have used them. That's highly debatable.
Failure to declare their use of EBTs (i.e. The side letters) is not debatable. They clearly hid them from the SFA / SPL. This is against the rules and therefore those players were ineligible, no?
Well said Sir. Loads of ifs, whats ans mibbes but they cheated, pure and simple and should be punishedQuote:
Originally Posted by majorhibs
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As I said a few posts ago, we live in an era were we can retrospectively claim back all sorts of finance from banks and insurance companies who added on little extras many, many years ago. We as fans, in good faith, bought season tickets, cup tickets, match day programmes, snacks, drinks and merchandising in the hope that we could compete on the field fairly. It was rigged and unfair on all levels. Fans should now have a mechanism put in place to ensure a) these titles won by Rangers are deemed null and void or b) claim back the monies (hard earned cash) through mis-selling of a fixed and rigged product of which so many were complicit in conning fans.
Selling snake oil, has many medicinal properties. Only $20 a bottle!
First post,long time lurker. I was an IFA for many years. We wouldn't touch EBT's as we always felt they were likely to be questioned and HMRC wouldn't be clear on whether they were acceptable. What they did make clear was that they could not be for a particular individual and that payments to the trust could not be by regular instalments. The side letters meant that they would fail HMRC's rules from day one. There can be no dispute that they failed the SFA's own rules despite Sandy Bryson's imperfectly registered nonsense.When others say that other clubs had EBT's do they know how they were run? The only other club that I know to have an EBT was Celtic and they cancelled it and settled with HMRC.There may have been others in Scotland but the point is that Rangers EBT's were never correctly operated and in David Murrays and Alec McLeish own words allowed them to sign players they would not have been able to otherwise. When Rangers played Hibs at Easter Road , I think in 2003,to win the league, everyone of their players and manager was on an EBT.
Twice Rangers denied having side letters when asked by the SFA and they only came to light when the Metropolitan police were investigating the transfer of Boumsong.Why would they deny there existence if they did not know they were illegal from a tax aspect and from the SFA rules.
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Originally Posted by marinello59
Side letters not declared to the SFA, which would indicate Rangers themselves had a fair inkling they were breaking rules.
And still silence from Hibs.Quote:
Originally Posted by HIGHLANDLEITHER
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Whilst we have 13,000 season ticket holders the Hibs board will have no interest in any of this. There will be no statements, no standpoint and no sporting integrity.
As long as the football club chairmen are getting your money they assume you're happy and if you think they give a 5hit what you think then you're sadly deluded.
If we had struggled on the park over the past couple of seasons and we were now playing in front of 5000 every week, Petrie would be all over this.
That is why I'm conflicted over this. There is so much that the Hibs board are doing that is good and deserving of support right now, but this silence and inaction is maddening. It is deeply disrespectful towards those of us who dug deep to watch a rigged contest for so many years.
The silence of the fans reps makes a mockery of their position. It was an idea that I liked but I think poor Tracey has been hung out to dry here.
Needless to say, I think most of the blame lies at the feet of our mischievous moustachioed friend, who I think is in it up to his neck as a result of the 5-way agreement etc.
Again, I'm not defending Rangers. I'm giving possible reasons why Hibs have not released a statement. None of this is the fans reps fault, demanding they come on here to explain themselves is unfair. They have done what was asked of them and taken it to the board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keekaboo
I feel quite sorry for Tracey on this matter. She must've been told by the board that a statement was going to be released and then for whatever reason it wasn't. I'm assuming that she has now been told not to say anymore on the subject. It seems she has been hung out to dry by the board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
This is the reason that fans reps don't really work imo.
Demanding the fans reps influence the board to make the sort of statement we as fans (well the vast majority) would make would be unfair. Feeding back if the board are taking any sort of position on this at all is hardly unfair though?Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
I think this is the likely scenario.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
The directors badge can mean the rep is stuck in the middle. The alternative is to break ranks and share what you know about the subject with the fans regardless.
Fans issues are the only reason they're on the board but probably wouldn't be afterwards!
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And what statement would the vast majority of fans make and how have you ascertained it ?
This is obviously a delicate subject, I am interested as to what you think Hibs should do? What if there has been "off the record" chats between the other clubs (in the league) and there is little or no support for cranking up the case against TRFC do you believe HFC should go it alone?Quote:
Originally Posted by Smartie
Maybe, just maybe, HFC & CFC take the view that this is not finished but you must take the other clubs with you in order to get the job done properly and how many of the others would be up for that?
Messy situation that the authorities should have dealt with
She has absolutely been hung out to dry.Quote:
Originally Posted by lord bunberry
If at the board meeting the board's agreed position was "Petrie's in this up to his neck, we heard the severe and real threats that Sevconians made against Raith Rovers a few years ago and have no desire to see ER being burned down. We have £££££££ in the bank from our fans therefore we are not going to rock the boat right now thank you very much," then Tracey would have kept quiet and not come on here saying a statement was to be made. Clearly that is not what was decided at the board meeting so Tracey was within her rights to come on here and tell us a statement was likely to be made.
An about-turn somewhere has clearly been made which clearly suits the board's agenda, but it makes Tracey look daft and makes us all wonder whether or not there is any point in having fans reps at all.
I think that Hibs (as a club who led the way with cutting their cloth and living within their means) should make a statement backing demands for an inquiry into Scottish football governance and whether our current authorities are fit for purpose. I think they should loudly question whether or not this has been the case over the past couple of decades.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibeerealist
I think they should demand that this be rigorous, but that rather than being a witch-hunt, we should be prepared to acknowledge and possibly even forgive, for the good of our game.
I don't think they should demand title-stripping, I think they should emphasise that we need confidence that our game is clean and that rules will be enforced on all teams equally so that we can all "move on".
How about this...Quote:
Originally Posted by ancient hibee
"The position of Hibernian Football Club is that Sporting Integrity is essential within Football. When rules are broken, the punishment has to be the same, and seen to be the same, no matter which club is guilty of breaking those rules. It is completely unacceptable that the rules of football should be applied in a different way to different clubs, otherwise there is no Integrity
It is an incontrovertible fact that if one club has been ejected from a competition for a simple Administrative Error in regard to player registrations, as happened to Albion Rovers, Spartans and others, then another club that knowingly and wilfully withheld information regarding player registrations, must also be punished to the same extent, regardless of the size or reputation of that club.
It is a known fact that Rangers Football Club withheld that type of information over a number of years, and representatives of that club, when questioned, denied doing so. As this information was not known outside that particular football club at the time of the 'offences', it could not be dealt with immediately in regards to expulsion from the competitions in which they invalidly participated. However, that does not mean that an equivalent punishment cannot be made retrospectively, in this instance any titles won by that club in competitions in which it was competing whilst (knowingly) breaking the rules must be stripped from that club.
Hibernian Football Club also wholeheartedly supports the idea of a truly independent investigation into the SFA and SPL/SPFL to establish what was known of those rule breaches, when and by whom. Only then can we be confident that all clubs are operating within a level playing field, an absolute essential for our game"
Sounds great just put Rod's name at the bottom and fire it out there I am sure he wont mind. :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Keekaboo
:aok: In line with my thinking all throughout this saga, not much has happened recently to change my view.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keekaboo
I am beginning to flag a bit on this one sadly as I think the clubs who are signed up to the 5 way agreement and the officials generally who are party to the cover up are intending to close ranks and face any criticism down.
Our clubs position on sporting integrity was put out there by RP and when we were advised the club was formalising a position and would be putting a statement out there I don't think anyone is being unreasonable by asking what has happened to it. Once we know the position on that we can each decide if we believe the club has sent the right message or not and if our own view of justice has been served, or if the fans of Scottish football have been played by those who run it, again.
When the last Working Together meeting was held the Board Meeting had taken place that morning. I'm sure I wasn't the only one who had contacted the fans reps ahead of the board meeting to ask them to raise the Rangers position following the HMRC verdict at the Board Meeting which it duly was.
At the WT meeting it was confirmed (not by the 2 fans reps) the situation had been discussed and that a statement would be made. We were due to play at Ibrox at the weekend and it was felt the club statement would be made before then. Having attended the Board Meeting and the WT meeting where this statement of intent was made it is not surprising that Tracey commented publically as she did.
I have no idea what changed between the WT meeting and the visit to Ibrox but clearly something did. The usual claims on here of "it must be Petrie's doing" don't add up. He would have chaired the meeting and even if he didn't agree to the statement the fact that at least 3 people who were at the Board Meeting felt comfortable that one was going to be made suggests he had to be onside with that course of action. As I said I have no idea what has changed but I'd guess, given the complete silence that it is on legal advice. I would be stunned if the club were to issue a statement which could / would be construed as criticising another club, (ignore the OldCo / NewCo argument for now), accusing them of cheating, criticising the governing body for the sport, calling into question a decision by Lord Nimmo Smith and 2 QC's without first seeking legal advise. If having done that, the advice they received was to shut up then that's what they would have done. It may also be the reason why Tracey has gone completely silent on the matter.
I agree with those that think Tracey has been hung out to dry here and that some follow up response should have been made. If my feeling that it's legal advice which is preventing a statement then she should have been provided with something to close this off even if it was simply something like "that for reasons I cannot go into there will be no statement by the club and I cannot discuss it any further".
I of course may be miles off the Mark with this theory.
If only.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Keekaboo
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Maybe the club has been 'gagged' by the SFA and/or SPFL pending their investigation or the judicial review?
By gagged I mean the club's that haven't said anything have been asked not to say anything publicly until these things are complete.
Great first post and echo's my own thoughts on this sordid affair - a sordid affair that's 100% the responsibility of the Hun and no-one else !. They cheated - they know it and so does everyone else - including their own fans. And all that's happened since they were caught is both the club and it's fans have embarked on a long, systematic course of bullying, threatening and intimidation and so far it's worked !. Scottish Football must NOT give in to them any longer and as the GFA are bent/incompetent/biased it's up to the clubs to do something. It surely can't be beyond Hibs/Petrie to organise a 'quiet meeting' with the chairmen/owners of the other SPL clubs to see where they stand and, if possible, issue a joint statement that all have agreed to ??. Because if nothing is done then the Huns black-cloud will hang over our game for ever more !Quote:
Originally Posted by HIGHLANDLEITHER
I have mind reading powers.Quote:
Originally Posted by ancient hibee
How about:
"Hibernian FC notes the verdict of the Supreme Court finding the use of Employee Benefit Trusts (EBTs) by the Rangers Football Club plc to remunerate its staff, including players, during the years 2000-2010 to have been an illegal method of tax avoidance. Furthermore, we note that the assumption underpinning Lord Nimmo Smith's finding, namely that the use of EBTs conferred "no sporting advantage" has been seriously undermined."
It was my understanding that the rules in place at the time were so limited that the independent legal advice is that nothing else could be done, so any reference to breaches of rules and comparing punishments is totally pointless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keekaboo
It is a good example of why the fans on board thing doesn't really work - there can be a rush to communicate something that really should be left in the boardroom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Argylehibby
I'd be very surprised indeed nay shocked if rules then did not include expulsion from tournaments for improperly registered players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
My understanding is that it's not that nothing else could have been done at the time, but that the SPFL have found a lawyer who's told them it's now too late to challenge the decision of Lord Nimmo-Smith. There's a supporters' group somewhere (mainly Celtic) that's getting legal advice on whether a judicial review of this and other football authority actions can be undertaken.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy74
It would be interesting to hear what Lord N-S now thinks about his commission's verdict in light of the Supreme Court verdict on the EBTs. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a journalist in Scotland with sufficient curiosity to pick up a phone and try to find out.
With this in mind, Hibernian Football Club welcome the Judicial Review and will comply with complete transparency on these matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
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Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens
I would say that's very good.Measured and doesn't make wild claims on behalf of Hibs fans many of whom couldn't care less.
Absolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrSmith
I sincerely hope the titles are stripped and the game can move on with a new ethos of fairness by demonstrating there are no clubs that can act out-with the rules that the other clubs are bound by.
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Originally Posted by Andy74
Rangers EBTs were 2001-2010.
In Jan 2010 Dunfy were thrown out of Scottish Cup for fielding ineligible players:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/scottish-premier/6989662/Dunfermline-kicked-out-of-Scottish-Cup-for-breaches-of-competition-rules.html
The SFA's position is, at best, bafflingly inconsistent.
I think the legal advice they are relying on is that they asked LNS to deal with this and they can't revisit it.
But of course - the purpose of the LNS review was to try and make this all go away. Even judges at the time disagreed.
Cheers.Quote:
Originally Posted by ancient hibee
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Originally Posted by Andy74
Side letters, covered up by Rangers, leading to improperly registered players
They willingly broke the rules. Where's the confusion?
The confusion comes in when there is a complicit media, a judicial system that helps the establishment i.e the rangers, governing bodies who are afraid to challenge one of the cartel that they helped create and now fans of other clubs saying that we should just forget about the cheating. If we let it go then nothing will ever change in Scottish footballQuote:
Originally Posted by Keekaboo
Exactly. Folk saying "let it go there is no more that can be done" is a huge worry. Yeah let's just give up because the rules back then were *****. Sorry but if all clubs applied huge pressure on the SFA more could and should be done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keekaboo
As I say I include my own club on this, but everyone is **** scared of the Huns and it's that attitude that allows them to do what they like. I hope they get stripped of titles in fact in hope they ****ing die.
I'm with you on this Shirley, clubs or anyone involved in cheating in Scottish football should be punished, doesn't matter how long ago it happened or what they done, which brings me on to this, footballers and others who have been involved in betting on games in Scotland, not so long ago this happened, (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39864684) a player and Chairman of Scottish clubs were charged with placing bets on games from 2011 to 2017, if the SFA are willing to punish folk who do this for gain who have tried to hide it from the SfA for a number of years until they were caught, then why can't the SFA pursue The Rangers and hand out a fitting punishment to them for something they hid many years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thecat23
It worries me that other owners of clubs in Scotland seem to just want to sweep this under the carpet and move on as if nothing happened.
Exactly Silver, why would any fan at any club in Scotland have the attitude of well let's leave it as the lawyers say we can do no more. Utter bull****. If clubs all stuck together and refused to play them until a proper investigation was done with the proper outcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverhibee
Get these cheating ******** to ****.
Still nothing from Traceyhibs? Checks the thread everyday but chooses not to reply. Not really how she sold herself during the election.
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Imagine if the SFA or SPFL governed the game as stringently as this......
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41118927
A bit harsh but letter of the law applied, maybe something worked out on appeal. Correct way for o do things?
Absolutely it is the correct way to do things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike Mandela
Instead in Scotland we have the SFA deliberately delaying the registration of players so that they can't play against Rangers.
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I've been wondering that as well - how does LNS feels knowing that the SFA/Campbell Ogilvie basically stitched him up OR was he part of the master-plan all along ??. Either way, he must know his name's mud as far as the football-fan fraternity goes !Quote:
Originally Posted by ballengeich
https://johnjamessite.com/
Hibs.net content.
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Is it the old crap, we need a strong (the) rangers?Quote:
Originally Posted by silverhibee
Stitched up by Hibs and the other rep, leaving her to take all the flack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
"If Hibs.net want to effect real change the first thing they should do is to petition Leeann Dempster to sack Petrie. He is one of the principal architects of the cover-up."Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozyhibby
:confused:
Crikey!
Leeann sacking Rodders!
He does talk mince right enough. He's not wrong on the silence coming from Hibs though.Quote:
Originally Posted by oldbutdim
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She can only be stitched up by Hibs if she is willing to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackpoolhibs
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