Generic Sevco / Rangers meltdown thread

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You can't claim everyone who didn't vote for one side or the other.[emoji23]
The poll is a representative sample and quite a big one at that. I think about 500 people took part, which makes up a fairly big percentage of Hibs fans and likely makes it more accurate than most opinion polls.


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Actually I didn't make any claim one way or the other merely pointed out that the majority of netters did not vote.It's around 5percent of season ticket numbers.Who knows if it's representative of anything.Obviously those keenest in seeing something happen are in the majority of those who put forward a view.Equally the vast majority are not putting forward a view.Does it mean anything,no idea.What is certain is that the office bearers of the two organisations ,having taken legal advice,will do nothing as presumably if they did they would be personally liable for any costs.

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I'm in!

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Originally Posted by hibee_nation

Hibs have nothing to lose and everything to gain by coming out with a strong statement saying yes effectively rangers cheated and the titles they won are tainted and should be stripped from the record books. The titles may not be stripped but i can live with that as long as we show sporting integrity really does mean something to Hibernian FC not just cheap talk. Lets face it the only people in Scotland who would object are the huns and i doubt if they could hate us anymore anyway. GGTTH.

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Excellent. And the only thing that would be sweeter than this legal team succeeding in its quest is if one of its members is from Arbroath.

Green day & Ancient hibee- best ignored when their that entrenched. Lots o good points here but some see their horizons & nae further. He'll mend them.

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News on judicial appeal. Lawyers appointed.
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News on judicial appeal. Lawyers appointed.
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Great news 👍

Not one single statement from the SFA, SPL or SPFL has so much as condemned,called out the cheating or even mentioned any wrongdoing.

It's as if some mythical thing happened a long time ago but is only legend and hearsay

They at least 'noted' the Supreme court judgment. How good of them. I noted my Rice Crispies ran out this morning,will revisit it later.

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Not one single statement from the SFA, SPL or SPFL has so much as condemned,called out the cheating or even mentioned any wrongdoing.

It's as if some mythical thing happened a long time ago but is only legend and hearsay

They at least 'noted' the Supreme court judgment. How good of them. I noted my Rice Crispies ran out this morning,will revisit it later.

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The SFA/SPFL treat fans as idiots! They are employing the tactic of "say it often enough and it'll be true" Joseph Goebbels. And given time, we will all forget about it as the lie will carry on and eventually become fact.

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Originally Posted by majorhibs

Green day & Ancient hibee- best ignored when their that entrenched. Lots o good points here but some see their horizons & nae further. He'll mend them.

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Here you-I don't intend to get entrenched for a few years yet.

I copied this from Tony McKelvie(journalist) on Twitter.


Judicial Review: A Dummies Guide
I see that moves are afoot to seek a Judicial Review of certain matters in Scottish Football, and thought it might be worthwhile sketching out the process for those who may be interested in but unfamiliar with the process.

This is not presented as, and is not intended to be, any sort of definitive description of the Judicial Review process in Scotland. Rather, it's an outline of the challenges facing anyone considering using the Judicial Review process, written by a Dummy for other Dummies. An extensive and authoritative guide can be found here: http://www.parliament.scot/ResearchB...ial_Review.pdf

First up, let's get one thing straight: In Judicial Review, you can't simply rock up to court and insist the judge finds the other guys bang to rights. This is not a matter of civil dispute between two parties over the placing of a fence between their properties. Moreover, the courts are often reluctant to intervene at all.

Judicial Review is a process of supervising the decisions of public bodies, and in Scotland, this supervision extends in some circumstances to the decisions made by private organisations.

In this context, are the decisions of SFA and/or SPFL subject to the supervision of the courts in Scotland? Resoundingly: Yes.

Now we've got that out of the way, attention turns to consider quite what it is that one might ask the court to review. Judicial Review is, in effect, a challenge to the legal validity of a given decision. The bases for the challenge are variously:

1) That the decision maker acted unlawfully;
2) That the decision was made using an unfair procedure;
3) That the decision was so unreasonable as to be irrational.

Interestingly from the perspective of those seeking to review recent decisions of SFA and SPFL, Judicial Review also applies to decisions not to act.

First base then is defining the "decision" that the court will be asked to review. This is subject to a time bar, such that any application for review needs to be made within three months of the decision being made. [It's worthwhile noting here that the decision of the SPL's Commission headed by Lord Nimmo Smith was made in 2013].

Once the decision subject to a proposed review has been defined, there is a formal process of "petition" to undertake before the court will agree to its review. The petition process has three tests which the 'petitioners' require to pass before a petition for Review is granted, being:

1) That the Petitioners have 'sufficient interest' in the matter at hand;
2) That the application has a real prospect of success, and;
3) Either - (i) the application raises an important point of principle or practice, or (ii) there is some other compelling reason for allowing the application to proceed

Only once the court is satisfied that the petition meets all three tests, is the petition granted, and a Judicial Review undertaken.

In the mooted suggestion to seek Judicial Review of a decision(s) by SFA and/or SPFL, the matter of the 'sufficient interest' of the petitioners represents a considerable hurdle. Let's assume that the petitioners do not include any member clubs of either SFA or SPFL. In such circumstances, the courts are careful to prevent 'busybodies' interfering with the properly-taken decisions of organisations to which the petitioner has no direct association.

In this light, it's worth noting that Football is the National Game in Scotland, and as such, subject of considerable public interest. A 'body' of petitioners reflecting the status and public interest of the Game *might* be considered to have 'sufficient interest' in the matter to meet the test of standing. It is wholly unlikely though that an individual or group of individuals acting in isolation would meet the test.

The second test - That the application has a real prospect of success - is bound up in the merits of the third test. In these regards, it will be for Counsel to the petitioners to determine what legal point of principle or practice to challenge, and thereafter to advise on the prospects of success.

News this morning that Counsel has been retained implies that such advice has yet to be provided. If in the coming weeks news arrives that a petition for Judicial Review is to be raised, it can be reasonably assumed that Counsel has confidence that the circumstances of the case meet the three tests.

On which point, it's worth noting SPFL Chairman Ralph Topping's recently published view that the SPFL "is ready" for any such challenge, and confident that it will be able to sustain any such scrutiny. Indeed, SPFL recently published advice received from its own Senior Counsel on the matter to this effect.

Finally, the costs of a Judicial Review are considerable. Judicial Reviews are undertaken at the Court of Session, and arguments made by Advocates, often Queen's Counsel, acting on instructions received by a solicitor. That's a lot of time from a lot of well paid professionals. The costs of obtaining advice, preparing the case and presenting a petition typically run to six figures, at which point the outcome merely secures a "day in court" to argue the case.

Taken in the round, Judicial Review is fraught, encompassing a set of challenging standards in a complex process led by legal experts. Those seeking to challenge the decisions of SFA and SPFL are going to need all the support you can muster.

I hope that's helpful.
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Still nothing from Hibs about the board meeting on Monday and nothing from Traceyhibs on here?


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Still nothing from Hibs about the board meeting on Monday and nothing from Traceyhibs on here?


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Perhaps other people are not quite so wrapped up in it as you are :aok:.

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Still nothing from Hibs about the board meeting on Monday and nothing from Traceyhibs on here?


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Maybe the board meeting was mainly about the season ahead for our club, fans demanding that titles be stripped comes a distant second to that for me. If they do come out with something I hope the empasis is on ensuring that the rules are in place to prevent something like this happening again rather than giving sevco another kicking, as pleasing as that is.

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Still nothing from Hibs about the board meeting on Monday and nothing from Traceyhibs on here?


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Hi sorry just seen this.

We discussed the EBT case fully at the board meeting. We all agreed a statement should be released by the Board. This will be happening this week.

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Hi sorry just seen this.

We discussed the EBT case fully at the board meeting. We all agreed a statement should be released by the Board. This will be happening this week.

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Thanks Tracey. Just making sure you were still checking in on the thread. [emoji6]


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Thanks Tracey. Just making sure you were still checking in on the thread. [emoji6]


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Been a bit slow this week but always. Should have put something up to say that on Monday and it would have saved you asking [emoji4]


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Originally Posted by marinello59

Maybe the board meeting was mainly about the season ahead for our club, fans demanding that titles be stripped comes a distant second to that for me. If they do come out with something I hope the empasis is on ensuring that the rules are in place to prevent something like this happening again rather than giving sevco another kicking, as pleasing as that is.

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To be fair, there were rules in place to prevent it in the past. The problem is that the football authorities in Scotland pick and choose when to apply their own rules.

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Originally Posted by Cilla Black

To be fair, there were rules in place to prevent it in the past. The problem is that the football authorities in Scotland pick and choose when to apply their own rules.

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I mean clear and unambiguous rules so there can be no picking and choosing.

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Its a bit late though no?

Hun ****.

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A sad day as cup final legend Rob Kiernan departs for Southend. :no way:

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Hun *r***.

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Beyond believe, they need therapy.

No they need shooting.

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Perhaps other people are not quite so wrapped up in it as you are :aok:.

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aaah... it's gail

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Hun ****.

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Words fail me

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Been a bit slow this week but always. Should have put something up to say that on Monday and it would have saved you asking [emoji4]


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Still waiting patiently. [emoji23] Hope we are not going all Sevco with a late Friday night statement release?


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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

Still waiting patiently. [emoji23] Hope we are not going all Sevco with a late Friday night statement release?


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Psst!...

Tomorrow...

5pm...

You heard it here first

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If its going to be at all controversial they aren t going to release it in the lead up to our game v The Rangers
That would just be Stoking [emoji91] the Flames before a Match that will already be an Emotionally Charged Occassion
I see Dorran s Double sneaked them a win today Probably their best signing to date


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Michael Mols waffling on about how Celtic's league titles are meaningless because Rangers haven't been in the league.

Just like all of Sevco's achievements are meaningless because of financial doping.

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Michael Mols waffling on about how Celtic's league titles are meaningless because Rangers haven't been in the league.

Just like all of Sevco's achievements are meaningless because of financial doping.

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For a couple of reasons, body and mind, Michael Mols should stay out of the sun.

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Originally Posted by Ronniekirk

If its going to be at all controversial they aren t going to release it in the lead up to our game v The Rangers
That would just be Stoking [emoji91] the Flames before a Match that will already be an Emotionally Charged Occassion
I see Dorran s Double sneaked them a win today Probably their best signing to date


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It was supposed to be released before the start of the season? Not sure what's going on now?


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Originally Posted by Northernhibee

Michael Mols waffling on about how Celtic's league titles are meaningless because Rangers haven't been in the league.

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He's not waffling at all, and he's not the only one who's said it.

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He's not waffling at all, and he's not the only one who's said it.

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Repeating something someone else said doesn't automatically make it true. It's a ridiculous notion and I wouldn't be in the least surprised if it was originally dreamt up by the demented Jim Traynor.

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He's not waffling at all, and he's not the only one who's said it.

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If that's his reason then he's waffling along with the others.

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Repeating something someone else said doesn't automatically make it true. It's a ridiculous notion and I wouldn't be in the least surprised if it was originally dreamt up by the idiotic Jim Traynor.

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But in this case it is true, no-one in their right mind can say they have had any kind of challenge since Rangers were banished to the lower leagues. And I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot ex celtic players and fans would be saying the same.

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He's not waffling at all, and he's not the only one who's said it.

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Whether he is waffling or not is subjective (but imo he us talking pish). There are enough hun bigots and apologists to confirm that he is not the only one saying it, but that has f'all relevance. If the questions are the validity of the huns titles then the only logical conclusion is that they are undeniably tainted, and if it's whether the absence of the dead huns reduces the value of recent celtc titles then the only logical conclusion is that celtc can only beat what is in front of them.

I am not waffling and plenty people have said the same, so I assume you will agree with me?

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But in this case it is true, no-one in their right mind can say they have had any kind of challenge since Rangers were banished to the lower leagues. And I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot ex celtic players and fans would be saying the same.

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They weren't 'banished". They had to reapply as a new club due to going bust and were fortunate to be admitted at League 2 level. Don't believe the bluenose propaganda that they were "punished".

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They weren't 'banished". They had to reapply as a new club due to going bust and were fortunate to be admitted at League 2 level. Don't believe the bluenose propaganda that they were "punished".

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This. They weren't 'banished'or 'punished'and they haven't 'returned'. They are a new club, allowed to start in league 2.

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But in this case it is true, no-one in their right mind can say they have had any kind of challenge since Rangers were banished to the lower leagues. And I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot ex celtic players and fans would be saying the same.

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They didn't have a serious challenge last season either and sevco were back. Or does that one not count either? Absolute nonsense and if you truly believe what you are posting then your comprehension is zero.

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But in this case it is true, no-one in their right mind can say they have had any kind of challenge since Rangers were banished to the lower leagues. And I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot ex celtic players and fans would be saying the same.

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Don't pander to this nonsense.

Huns are trying to make the argument that the OF is the only thing that matters in Scottish football. We 'need' Rangers and Celtc have only won one in a row because any titles without them in the top division are invalid.

This is toxic nonsense. Scottish football needs better, more enlightened leadership - not a return to the days when the OF vetoed everything not in their narrow self-interest.

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But in this case it is true, no-one in their right mind can say they have had any kind of challenge since Rangers were banished to the lower leagues. And I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot ex celtic players and fans would be saying the same.

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Hahahaha! You again. No one in their right mind? But what if, this other person, in whatever mind they possess, has never ever guarded old derrys waws? Ever? What then?

Hmmmm

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Hahahaha! You again. No one in their right mind? But what if, this other person, in whatever mind they possess, has never ever guarded old derrys waws? Ever? What then?

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Aw naw, not Deriwalz again, and why the **** does half of Glasgow seem to want to go gardening there? I mean it sounds like its somewhere in eastern europe.

Can't be anything to do with Scottish football.

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It was supposed to be released before the start of the season? Not sure what's going on now?


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No word from Fans Reps about what the hold up is


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Michael Mols waffling on about how Celtic's league titles are meaningless because Rangers haven't been in the league.

Just like all of Sevco's achievements are meaningless because of financial doping.

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Was he asked about his own £260k EBT payments and incorrect player registration or are these things meaningless as well? I really hope the Inland Revenue start to go after these individuals for the tax (and penalty payments) they are due!

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Was he asked about his own £260k EBT payments and incorrect player registration or are these things meaningless as well? I really hope the Inland Revenue start to go after these individuals for the tax (and penalty payments) they are due!

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I don't really care about going after the individuals now. They will all have prepared for it like Ferguson anyway and their wealth will be protected like his has been.
It's not really about stripping the titles that much for me either although that should of course happen and it would bring a smile to my face.
It's about going after the people at the SFA who knew this was going on and are still in position. The SFA is a failing organisation that needs broken up. There is not a single part of its remit where they can say they are doing a good job. What happened with Rangers could easily happen again because there are still no proper FFP rules in Scotland and no proper ministering regime of clubs finances. Given how many clubs have gone bust here, that's an absolute disgrace.



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Was he asked about his own £260k EBT payments and incorrect player registration or are these things meaningless as well? I really hope the Inland Revenue start to go after these individuals for the tax (and penalty payments) they are due!

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To paraphrase Leigh..."they're deid, mate". :greengrin

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But in this case it is true, no-one in their right mind can say they have had any kind of challenge since Rangers were banished to the lower leagues. And I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot ex celtic players and fans would be saying the same.

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Presumably "Super_JGreig" was already taken? :rolleyes:

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But in this case it is true, no-one in their right mind can say they have had any kind of challenge since Rangers were banished to the lower leagues. And I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot ex celtic players and fans would be saying the same.

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Do rangers 9 in a row titles not matter because celtic werent in a position to challenge them?

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But in this case it is true, no-one in their right mind can say they have had any kind of challenge since Rangers were banished to the lower leagues. And I'm sure if the shoe was on the other foot ex celtic players and fans would be saying the same.

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They went bust and they did that all by themselves. There's no "banished" about it.

And you're right, Celtic fans would be saying the same but they'd still be talking nonsense. For quite some time now, almost my entire lifetime, the "title race" has been of no interest to anyone outside the Old Firm anyway. I didn't find myself at the edge of my seat when it was between either bigot brother just as I didn't while Celtic currently run away with it and have it wrapped up by christmas. At least in recent years there's been a real tussle for runners up which has been interesting (and pleasing since the Blue half of the bigot brothers didn't just go right back into second like they pompously assumed they would).

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Do rangers 9 in a row titles not matter because celtic werent in a position to challenge them?

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Exactly financial doping meant nobody was in a position to challenge Rangers playing by the rules. All their trophies dont count during that period.

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Exactly financial doping meant nobody was in a position to challenge Rangers playing by the rules. All their trophies dont count during that period.

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Emm.... Rangers 9 in a row was between 1989 and 1997. There were no EBTs then.

David Murray was still an arrogant twat though.

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Yeah Gail, I'm sure all your mates on Follow Follow are saying it as well.


The only titles that 'don't count' are the titles won by clubs that were cheating by non-disclosure of side contracts and dubious tax schemes.

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Emm.... Rangers 9 in a row was between 1989 and 1997. There were no EBTs then.

David Murray was still an arrogant twat though.

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That's not to say they weren't cheating then, I think it's highly unlikely Murray/Hun only cheated for a particular period of time - more than likely it was throughout the entire period of Murray's ownership.

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They went bust and they did that all by themselves. There's no "banished" about it.

And you're right, Celtic fans would be saying the same but they'd still be talking nonsense. For quite some time now, almost my entire lifetime, the "title race" has been of no interest to anyone outside the Old Firm anyway. I didn't find myself at the edge of my seat when it was between either bigot brother just as I didn't while Celtic currently run away with it and have it wrapped up by christmas. At least in recent years there's been a real tussle for runners up which has been interesting (and pleasing since the Blue half of the bigot brothers didn't just go right back into second like they pompously assumed they would).

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And they didn't go up through the play-offs the year before when Motherwell hammered them.

Is it worth mentioning again that the people who ran the now defunct Glasgow rangers decided to liquidate the club themselves.

The new team weren't "banished". They applied to join the Scottish leagues and were fortunate that the club that qualified to join the 3rd division didn't join for whatever reason or the new team might have had to wait.

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Yeah Gail, I'm sure all your mates on Follow Follow are saying it as well.


The only titles that 'don't count' are the titles won by clubs that were cheating by non-disclosure of side contracts and dubious tax schemes.

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Is that where Gail went...??

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Is it worth mentioning again that the people who ran the now defunct Glasgow rangers decided to liquidate the club themselves.

The new team weren't "banished". They applied to join the Scottish leagues and were fortunate that the club that qualified to join the 3rd division didn't join for whatever reason or the new team might not have had to wait.

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100%!! Facts are facts.

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That's not to say they weren't cheating then, I think it's highly unlikely Murray/Hun only cheated for a particular period of time - more than likely it was throughout the entire period of Murray's ownership.

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Fair point Deansy. So then you are into the world of clubs spending money they can't pay back or have no intention of paying back. So pick a club from Scotland who have played in the top flight.
Any one you like excluding St Johnstone and Inverness and credit Rod Petrie of Hibs for tough decisions made at Hibs in 2003 as he saw this whole house of cards falling in on itself.

Your starter for three are Hearts, Dundee and Gretna.:wink:

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Fair point Deansy. So then you are into the world of clubs spending money they can't pay back or have no intention of paying back. So pick a club from Scotland who have played in the top flight.
Any one you like excluding St Johnstone and Inverness and credit Rod Petrie of Hibs for tough decisions made at Hibs in 2003 as he saw this whole house of cards falling in on itself.

Your starter for three are Hearts, Dundee and Gretna.:wink:

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Let's not kid ourselves. Duff and Gray must have shafted plenty of people on behalf of Hibs back in the day. Nobody is immune from snake oil salesmen getting their foot in the door when a club is particularly vulnerable.
That's why i have no appetite for the current witch hunt. They had to form a new club and work their way back up through the divisions.
Aye titles and cups could be taken away from the old Rangers but, in my opinion, most people view this as a chance to keep giving Rangers a kicking.
i fully accept my opinion isn't a popular one but it would suit me just to get back to football starting with turning them over on Saturday.

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Let's not kid ourselves. Duff and Gray must have shafted plenty of people on behalf of Hibs back in the day. Nobody is immune from snake oil salesmen getting their foot in the door when a club is particularly vulnerable.
That's why i have no appetite for the current witch hunt. They had to form a new club and work their way back up through the divisions.
Aye titles and cups could be taken away from the old Rangers but, in my opinion, most people view this as a chance to keep giving Rangers a kicking.
i fully accept my opinion isn't a popular one but it would suit me just to get back to football starting with turning them over on Saturday.

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After Duffy and Gray the club's non football liabilities were paid under the watchful eye of STF.

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After Duffy and Gray the club's non football liabilities were paid under the watchful eye of STF.

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Indeed they were but I don't think for a minute those two charlatans didn't leave a trail of utter carnage behind them.

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But they didn't deliberately conceal side payments to players outside their contracts registered with the SFA.


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I Know. My point is a general one not focusing on the specifics of each incidence.

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Indeed they were but I don't think for a minute those two charlatans didn't leave a trail of utter carnage behind them.

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They never bumped various public bodies! Including the NHS.

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They did but it wasn't financial thankfully. Duff was dodgy and was played by Rowland on behalf of himself and "others" Gray was a fool who ultimately tried to get out of the mess but was out of his depth completely in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Bostonhibby

They did but it wasn't financial thankfully. Duff was dodgy and was played by Rowland on behalf of himself and "others" Gray was a fool who ultimately tried to get out of the mess but was out of his depth completely in my opinion.

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No worries. I still remember going up to Tynecastle on the open decked bus to ask Hertz shareholders to stand up to Mercer.
Anyway it's just my opinion and what will be will be.

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No worries. I still remember going up to Tynecastle on the open decked bus to ask Hertz shareholders to stand up to Mercer.
Anyway it's just my opinion and what will be will be.

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I'm with you on this one, they were incompetent or worse and created a near perfect storm from mercer's point of view. If it wasn't for STF, and his man on the ground RP there'd have been a financial mess to sort out as well. [emoji106]

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Originally Posted by Bostonhibby

They did but it wasn't financial thankfully. Duff was dodgy and was played by Rowland on behalf of himself and "others" Gray was a fool who ultimately tried to get out of the mess but was out of his depth completely in my opinion.

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You are right. Duff was a bull****, snake oil lawyer whose redeeming feature was his refusal to sell to Mercer. Gray talked the talk and I guess his heart was in the right place but he was as you say horribly out of his depth with sharks like Rowland and Mercer.

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You are right. Duff was a bull****, snake oil lawyer whose redeeming feature was his refusal to sell to Mercer. Gray talked the talk and I guess his heart was in the right place but he was as you say horribly out of his depth with sharks like Rowland and Mercer.

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Was Duff found guilty in the Edinburgh University Settlement fraud? Was reading his address prior to his 93' fraud conviction was David Murray Buildings in Swindon 😂😂

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Was Duff found guilty in the Edinburgh University Settlement fraud? Was reading his address prior to his 93' fraud conviction was David Murray Buildings in Swindon 😂😂

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Don't think charges were ever brought.

https://www.sfm.scot/on-grounds-for-judicial-review/

Not sure if this has been posted previously, but if so it cant harm to post it again.

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https://www.sfm.scot/on-grounds-for-judicial-review/

Not sure if this has been posted previously, but if so it cant harm to post it again.

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We are close to the end of the road now. The SFA and SPFL are not going to act now. It's going to be up to the fans to fund a Judicial review. It's the only way to get to the truth of this. If they can get it, I think it will force an implosion at the SFA. Either way, we are close to the end of the process.


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This is cryptic in the extreme but this guy seems to be making a comment on the sevco situation by implicating an 'east coast club'. http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/a-d...+Quick+News%29

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This is cryptic in the extreme but this guy seems to be making a comment on the sevco situation by implicating an 'east coast club'. http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/a-d...+Quick+News%29

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"A European force"?

Canny be Hearts. Us, Dunfermline, the Dundee clubs or Aberdeen? :cb

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This is cryptic in the extreme but this guy seems to be making a comment on the sevco situation by implicating an 'east coast club'. http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/a-d...+Quick+News%29

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Dundee??

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This is cryptic in the extreme but this guy seems to be making a comment on the sevco situation by implicating an 'east coast club'. http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/a-d...+Quick+News%29

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This is probably the last you'll hear of it as well, possibly another vague article making out they have some earth shattering scandal they've uncovered.

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Don't think charges were ever brought.

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I understand that charges have been brought but the trial has been adjourned on at least 3 occasions.

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This is probably the last you'll hear of it as well, possibly another vague article making out they have some earth shattering scandal they've uncovered.

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American owners not steeped in the Scottish game could fit the narrative but were Dundee in many Scottish cup finals? And this bit

Today, taped interviews and emails have been seized by the powers-that-be at Hampden, and a formal period of preliminary investigation is now underway.

Seems to turn a bunch of dunderheids into the FBI.

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I understand that charges have been brought but the trial has been adjourned on at least 3 occasions.

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Do you know who against?

The Chief Exec seems to have been an eejit, rather than crooked. But then there's the Duff factor.....

It's in regard to the Dunfermline V Rangers season decider in which Rangers won 6-0. Documents are believed to relate to Gavin Masterton who also bank rolled Rangers.


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American owners not steeped in the Scottish game could fit the narrative but were Dundee in many Scottish cup finals? And this bit

Today, taped interviews and emails have been seized by the powers-that-be at Hampden, and a formal period of preliminary investigation is now underway.

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I doubt the SFA have the powers of seizure. [emoji23]
There does appear to be a fair bit of buzz around this but could just as easily be nothing.


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American owners not steeped in the Scottish game could fit the narrative but were Dundee in many Scottish cup finals? And this bit

Today, taped interviews and emails have been seized by the powers-that-be at Hampden, and a formal period of preliminary investigation is now underway.

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Do the "powers that be at Hampden" have the power to seize anything? Assume it must be the police or am I being thick?

[QUOTE=Stonewall;5134226]Do the "powers that be at Hampden" have the power to seize anything? Assume it must be the police or am I being thick?[/QUOT

http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/lying-down-at-ibrox-the-irony/

This is the follow up. Interesting that the pars are fan owned now and documents may have been passed on. I have been of the view that the sfa/spl could ride this out. However their own diligence in lesser cases regarding mistakes in registration leading to draconian punishments being meted out makes lack of action here a glaring omission. In these instances there are no time bars, see David Walsh's pursuit of Lance Armstrong as a guide. When the inevitable happens sites like hibs.net will receive the plaudits they are due that go way beyond a narrow celtic/rangers agenda.

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Do the "powers that be at Hampden" have the power to seize anything? Assume it must be the police or am I being thick?[/QUOT

http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/lyi...rox-the-irony/

This is the follow up. Interesting that the pars are fan owned now and documents may have been passed on. I have been of the view that the sfa/spl could ride this out. However their own diligence in lesser cases regarding mistakes in registration leading to draconian punishments being meted out makes lack of action here a glaring omission. In these instances there are no time bars, see David Walsh's pursuit of Lance Armstrong as a guide. When the inevitable happens sites like hibs.net will receive the plaudits they are due that go way beyond a narrow celtic/rangers agenda.

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Celtic have had a thing about Dunfermline since that day.



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No news from Traceyhibs on last weeks statement?


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No news from Traceyhibs on last weeks statement?


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At the working together meeting last week LD explained that the board met that morning and they were working on an announcement. She acknowledged that with the game on this Saturday they had considered the timing of the announcement but intended to make the announcement that week. I suspect if they have not agreed the statement before the weekend then they are delaying it until after this w/e so as not to stoke the flames of what could already be a feisty affair. Only a guess mind you and could be miles off the real reason for no announcement yet.

I have followed this thread with much amusement, anger, frustration and bewilderment (all in equal measure) since it began a very long time ago, and remain stunned that The Artist Formerly Known As Rangers got away so lightly, as did their follow-on, The The's, and the sheer arrogance, incompetance and corruption displayed by those running (rather, ruining) Scottish football in trying to pander to their mates at Ipox.

What is even more stunning to me however of recent, reading all these Celtc blogs, is how arrogant and hyporitical Celtc are. They seem to forget that they are the other cheek of the ar$e that is the Old Firm, a duopoly that for many decades has held Scottish football to ransom for their own gain and unfair advantage, and to the detriment of everyone else, with any concept of sporting fairness and integrity completely shunned. A duopoly that for a long number of years has manage to feather its own nest through hugely advantageous fiancial "arrangements" with sponsors, dodgy legal loopholes, favourable treatment on and off the pitch with the SFA etc. and spending money that either wasn't theirs or just didn't exist.

All the while, the supporters of said duopoly, and I don't care what anyone says, it IS a MAJORITY of their supporters, regularly engage in vicious bigotry and violence both at football games and away from the field, bringing shame on the sport and our country.

Rant over, however I cannot stand hypocrisy or holier-than-thou's. And these long-winded, rambling Celtc blogs are a bore. The SFA remain spineless and corrupted to buggery as this whole saga rumbles on year after year...

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At the working together meeting last week LD explained that the board met that morning and they were working on an announcement. She acknowledged that with the game on this Saturday they had considered the timing of the announcement but intended to make the announcement that week. I suspect if they have not agreed the statement before the weekend then they are delaying it until after this w/e so as not to stoke the flames of what could already be a feisty affair. Only a guess mind you and could be miles off the real reason for no announcement yet.

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I think that is a safe guess. If we are going to get our tuppence worth in, and know the zombies will react to it then it makes perfect sense to hold of as apposed to throwing petrol on what already will likely be a bit of a poisonous atmosphere

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I have followed this thread with much amusement, anger, frustration and bewilderment (all in equal measure) since it began a very long time ago, and remain stunned that The Artist Formerly Known As Rangers got away so lightly, as did their follow-on, The The's, and the sheer arrogance, incompetance and corruption displayed by those running (rather, ruining) Scottish football in trying to pander to their mates at Ipox.

What is even more stunning to me however of recent, reading all these Celtc blogs, is how arrogant and hyporitical Celtc are. They seem to forget that they are the other cheek of the ar$e that is the Old Firm, a duopoly that for many decades has held Scottish football to ransom for their own gain and unfair advantage, and to the detriment of everyone else, with any concept of sporting fairness and integrity completely shunned. A duopoly that for a long number of years has manage to feather its own nest through hugely advantageous fiancial "arrangements" with sponsors, dodgy legal loopholes, favourable treatment on and off the pitch with the SFA etc. and spending money that either wasn't theirs or just didn't exist.

All the while, the supporters of said duopoly, and I don't care what anyone says, it IS a MAJORITY of their supporters, regularly engage in vicious bigotry and violence both at football games and away from the field, bringing shame on the sport and our country.

Rant over, however I cannot stand hypocrisy or holier-than-thou's. And these long-winded, rambling Celtc blogs are a bore. The SFA remain spineless and corrupted to buggery as this whole saga rumbles on year after year...

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Great post.

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Originally Posted by DCI Gene Hunt

I have followed this thread with much amusement, anger, frustration and bewilderment (all in equal measure) since it began a very long time ago, and remain stunned that The Artist Formerly Known As Rangers got away so lightly, as did their follow-on, The The's, and the sheer arrogance, incompetance and corruption displayed by those running (rather, ruining) Scottish football in trying to pander to their mates at Ipox.

What is even more stunning to me however of recent, reading all these Celtc blogs, is how arrogant and hyporitical Celtc are. They seem to forget that they are the other cheek of the ar$e that is the Old Firm, a duopoly that for many decades has held Scottish football to ransom for their own gain and unfair advantage, and to the detriment of everyone else, with any concept of sporting fairness and integrity completely shunned. A duopoly that for a long number of years has manage to feather its own nest through hugely advantageous fiancial "arrangements" with sponsors, dodgy legal loopholes, favourable treatment on and off the pitch with the SFA etc. and spending money that either wasn't theirs or just didn't exist.

All the while, the supporters of said duopoly, and I don't care what anyone says, it IS a MAJORITY of their supporters, regularly engage in vicious bigotry and violence both at football games and away from the field, bringing shame on the sport and our country.

Rant over, however I cannot stand hypocrisy or holier-than-thou's. And these long-winded, rambling Celtc blogs are a bore. The SFA remain spineless and corrupted to buggery as this whole saga rumbles on year after year...

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This 100%.

Celtic see themselves as the "good guys" and can;t seem to understand why they are disliked.

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They're obsessed with having been cheated that day, in much the same way as our Tynecastle chums blame St Mirren for the failure of their own team to win the league in '86.

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It's in regard to the Dunfermline V Rangers season decider in which Rangers won 6-0. Documents are believed to relate to Gavin Masterton who also bank rolled Rangers.


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And bank rolled every other club in the league apart from Celtic.

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Do you know who against?

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I only know they were made against him. Not sure about anything of the Trustees

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And bank rolled every other club in the league apart from Celtic.

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They tried to put Celtic under which is why Fergus McCann moved bank.


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Originally Posted by DCI Gene Hunt

I have followed this thread with much amusement, anger, frustration and bewilderment (all in equal measure) since it began a very long time ago, and remain stunned that The Artist Formerly Known As Rangers got away so lightly, as did their follow-on, The The's, and the sheer arrogance, incompetance and corruption displayed by those running (rather, ruining) Scottish football in trying to pander to their mates at Ipox.

What is even more stunning to me however of recent, reading all these Celtc blogs, is how arrogant and hyporitical Celtc are. They seem to forget that they are the other cheek of the ar$e that is the Old Firm, a duopoly that for many decades has held Scottish football to ransom for their own gain and unfair advantage, and to the detriment of everyone else, with any concept of sporting fairness and integrity completely shunned. A duopoly that for a long number of years has manage to feather its own nest through hugely advantageous fiancial "arrangements" with sponsors, dodgy legal loopholes, favourable treatment on and off the pitch with the SFA etc. and spending money that either wasn't theirs or just didn't exist.

All the while, the supporters of said duopoly, and I don't care what anyone says, it IS a MAJORITY of their supporters, regularly engage in vicious bigotry and violence both at football games and away from the field, bringing shame on the sport and our country.

Rant over, however I cannot stand hypocrisy or holier-than-thou's. And these long-winded, rambling Celtc blogs are a bore. The SFA remain spineless and corrupted to buggery as this whole saga rumbles on year after year...

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It's all about evidence for me. We all know that Hearts were at it under Romanov but we don't have any evidence. I'm sure Celtic have skeletons in the cupboard as well but again we don't have evidence. What we do have is a mountain of evidence that the old Rangers cheated and the SFA helped them. That's why they are the focus of this thread.


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Rangers were obtuse about it in their arrogance, they got caught with their pants down in many ways.

Celtc are more sleekit with their dealings. However it's still clear to fans of all other non-OF clubs that they have benefitted from very lucrative financial deals and a somewhat cosy relationship with those in charge of the game.

As for Farts, it was clear to even the thickest inbred maroon-tinted moron that Romanov was a dodgy character from the start who the Yams sold their souls to all because Chris Robinson wanted to move them away from their beloved Jobbycastle and it's "brilliant atmosphere" of absbestos, pigeon crap, rotten wooden floorboards and crappy cladding. They've only not been taken to task because the authorities can't be bothered unpicking Mad Vlads dealings, plus he's long since buggered off anyway.