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23-05-2020, 09:50 AM
Bristolhibby

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Originally Posted by Barney McGrew

Since Parliament is now off for a fortnight and BoJo doesn’t lower himself to take the daily briefings, when will anyone get the chance to actually ask him though

Again, the timing of the story is very lucky for him :hmmm:

From have I got News for You on Twitter.

“No 10 prepares to launch new ‘track and trace’ app, in latest effort to locate Boris Johnson.”
23-05-2020, 09:51 AM
Ozyhibby

https://twitter.com/d_raval/status/1...640470016?s=21

BBC working hard to protect their guy.

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23-05-2020, 09:51 AM
bigwheel

Isn’t it quite strange that BBC didn’t have the Cummings story in their news headlines last night?...obviously that has been a deliberate editorial decision. Doesn’t seem objective to me.

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23-05-2020, 09:52 AM
grunt

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Originally Posted by marinello59

Unbelievable. Even by Westminster’s standards.

People talk about the new normal. But this is the new normal in politics. They think they're untouchable - with a large Commons majority they are going to lie their way through the coming years. They lied about the C19 strategy, they lied about PPE, they lied about care homes, they lied about testing, and they lied about test track & trace. Outside of C19, this Vote Leave government are pressing on with the worst possible version of Brexit, and they are increasing the Home Office hostile environment.

We have GOT to get out of here.
23-05-2020, 09:56 AM
bigwheel

Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by Barney McGrew

Statement from Number 10 saying Cummings journey was ‘in line with Coronavirus guidelines’

They're going to try and tough it out.

They updated their guidelines on April 10th, to cover acts such as this....after Cummings had done this....coincidental?

Edit : and apparently the updated “clarity” happened the same day as a newspaper first queried if there was any substance to this story....

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23-05-2020, 09:58 AM
SideBurns

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

Ian Blackford has waited approximately 12 hours before saying what he's said, it's not even been a full 24 hours yet since the story broke. Maybe Boris Johnson will sack Cummings by tonight, I doubt it but he might.

All I was questioning was, did Ian Blackford put similar public pressure on Nicola Sturgeon to sack Catherine Calderwood in the hours leading up to the decision that evening? I don't believe he did.

I'm just sick and tired of politicians in this country, of every persuasion, sticking their oar in when it suits them but then either turning a blind eye to, or defending, exactly the same behaviour when it suits them.

Another key difference in how they were dealt with is that Calderwood issued a public mea culpa at lunchtime on the Sunday (it was widely derided as inadequate, from what I recall). Sturgeon made her anger clear around the same time. We didn't have to wait too long thereafter for the resignation announcement.

If Blackford didn't comment publicly, he probably had a very good idea it was going to be properly dealt with fairly quickly (you have to think he'd have been in contact with the FM privately). I accept however that it was a situation he would be rather content not to get involved in, while the opportunity to sink the welly into Cummings is one he will be relishing! But the continued, completely unacceptable silence from Johnson just allows opposition politicians (and to be fair some Tories) to fill the vacuum.
23-05-2020, 10:00 AM
JimBHibees

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

https://twitter.com/d_raval/status/1...640470016?s=21

BBC working hard to protect their guy.

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Questioning is shameful. Poor Dominic.
23-05-2020, 10:03 AM
degenerated

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Originally Posted by marinello59

Whilst the other knowingly put the health of her family and locals near her holiday home at risk. This really isn’t a case of who behaved worse. They both behaved deplorably and showed utter contempt for the rest of us. Why are people using this to try and downplay what Calderwood did?

They're not. Cummings was actually knowingly infected with a highly contagious and dangerous disease when he decided to ignore instructions on isolation whereas calderwood was an arse without a contagious and dangerous disease who ignored instructiond lockdown rules.

They are both idiots and one deservedly lost her post, but the other who's behaviour is far worse will carry on like nothing has happened.

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23-05-2020, 10:04 AM
Barney McGrew

https://twitter.com/LittleGravitas/s...226271749?s=20

Johnson at his briefing on the 18th of March
23-05-2020, 10:07 AM
Sir David Gray

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

According to Worldmeter Spain saw a big jump in deaths and infections yesterday, relative to what they had been in the preceding couple of weeks. I assume that is an anomaly based on change in calculations rather than anything sinister though.

I can't remember what day it was but Spain announced hundreds of historical deaths in one day recently as there had been a data lag. They confirmed that the actual number of deaths on that day was about 50 or something.
23-05-2020, 10:08 AM
Future17

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Originally Posted by Ozyhibby

https://twitter.com/d_raval/status/1...640470016?s=21

BBC working hard to protect their guy.

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I don't have any problem with her questioning of Blackford. In situations like this, it's important those who are dealing out criticism are challenged on that criticism. However, I would expect the same challenge to be made to the opposing position, which I think is where the BBC appears to have fallen short in this instance.
23-05-2020, 10:14 AM
Pretty Boy

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Originally Posted by Sir David Gray

I can't remember what day it was but Spain announced hundreds of historical deaths in one day recently as there had been a data lag. They confirmed that the actual number of deaths on that day was about 50 or something.

It must have been yesterday. 51 deaths on the 21st and 620+ on the 22nd doesn't make sense otherwise.
23-05-2020, 10:15 AM
CapitalGreen

I see that by providing Laura Keunsberg with an off the record rebuttal last night the government have been able to change the narrative from Cummings visiting his parents to visiting his sister. If LK had attributed that rebuttal last night to a named source like any self respecting journalist they wouldn’t have been able to change the reasoning when they realised the original excuse did not stand up to scrutiny.
23-05-2020, 10:17 AM
CapitalGreen

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

It must have been yesterday. 51 deaths on the 21st and 620+ on the 22nd doesn't make sense otherwise.

Probably similar to here where deaths are revised upwards when national stats are released weekly. It may not be as regular as weekly in Spain.
23-05-2020, 10:17 AM
Ozyhibby

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Originally Posted by Future17

I don't have any problem with her questioning of Blackford. In situations like this, it's important those who are dealing out criticism are challenged on that criticism. However, I would expect the same challenge to be made to the opposing position, which I think is where the BBC appears to have fallen short in this instance.

Exactly. The govt is getting away with not fronting up to be challenged.

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23-05-2020, 10:18 AM
bigwheel

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Originally Posted by CapitalGreen

I see that by providing Laura Keunsberg with an off the record rebuttal last night the government have been able to change the narrative from Cummings visiting his parents to visiting his sister. If LK had attributed that rebuttal last night to a named source like any self respecting journalist they wouldn’t have been able to change the reasoning when they realised the original excuse did not stand up to scrutiny.

LK socially mixes with these guys way too much to keep her impartiality...if this was (say) Blackford - she would be after him with passion as would the government.
23-05-2020, 10:31 AM
Moulin Yarns

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Originally Posted by bigwheel

LK socially mixes with these guys way too much to keep her impartiality...if this was (say) Blackford - she would be after him with passion as would the government.

It seems to me, much the simpler solution would have been to get Laura Kuenssberg to babysit the source’s child. Would have avoided a lot of grief for everyone involved.
23-05-2020, 10:33 AM
Hibrandenburg

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Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

According to Worldmeter Spain saw a big jump in deaths and infections yesterday, relative to what they had been in the preceding couple of weeks. I assume that is an anomaly based on change in calculations rather than anything sinister though.

Maybe, but we always need to remember that this virus started with one person and escalated from there. We still have thousands of infections and it remains a ticking time bomb.
23-05-2020, 10:36 AM
bigwheel

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Originally Posted by Moulin Yarns

It seems to me, much the simpler solution would have been to get Laura Kuenssberg to babysit the source’s child. Would have avoided a lot of grief for everyone involved.

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23-05-2020, 10:38 AM
bigwheel

There is a related important point...how can government ministers be out there asking people to stay home, keep the discipline when the architect of their scheme can’t do it....it is immoral. Will deeply reduce the impact of their health protection approach.

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23-05-2020, 10:42 AM
Ozyhibby

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...4357ab084c.jpg
This has absolutely no relevance at all but is a cracking stat. Hope it’s true.

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23-05-2020, 10:42 AM
Berwickhibby

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Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg

He was carrying the virus and he knew it. I can't understand how you don't see the difference. In principle the difference is similar to that of robbery and armed robbery.

There is no difference in law unless the law has changed Sect 8 of the theft act 1968 deals with Robbery being armed is an agrivating factor

That said Cummings should have been prosecuted at the time as should Calderwood
23-05-2020, 10:47 AM
NORTHERNHIBBY

Cummings is the real string puller. He will know too much to be cut loose by other members of the cabal. Let's see what the right wing press make of this one. Starmer had a full page spread for his donkey sanctuary.
23-05-2020, 10:52 AM
Sir David Gray

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Originally Posted by SideBurns

Thanks for this. Presumably those figures don't represent a steep rise in cases/ deaths from the weeks prior to lifting measures, or we'd be hearing more about it.

I can't remember when each country started to ease lockdown but here's the same figures from the same source for the last week of April which seems a decent period to compare with as I think it was early May before anything was really lifted.

Germany - 10928/1164
Spain - 26615/2386
Italy - 15490/2418
23-05-2020, 10:59 AM
BroxburnHibee

I said at the time it was the wrong call to let the CMO in Scotland go.
23-05-2020, 11:09 AM
Peevemor

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Originally Posted by BroxburnHibee

I said at the time it was the wrong call to let the CMO in Scotland go.

I agree, but it was a no win situation for the former CMO & the government.
23-05-2020, 11:14 AM
Berwickhibby

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Originally Posted by Peevemor

I agree, but it was a no win situation for the former CMO & the government.

IMHO, had the police who visited Calderwood issued her with an FPN for the offence at the time, justice would have seen to been done. She would not have had to resign or be sacked as that's double jeopardy plus it's not a criminal conviction so would not effect her in the future.
23-05-2020, 11:18 AM
grunt

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Originally Posted by Berwickhibby

IMHO, had the police who visited Calderwood issued her with an FPN for the offence at the time, justice would have seen to been done. She would not have had to resign or be sacked as that's double jeopardy plus it's not a criminal conviction so would not effect her in the future.

I think that's a rather hopeful take on the events. The Westminster machine needs to do everything in its power to belittle the Scottish Government and the SNP administration. Attacking the CMO was all about the Tories and the right wing press using her misdemeanour as a stick to beat the Scottish Gov. Issuing a fine wouldn't have made the slightest difference, in my view.
23-05-2020, 11:20 AM
JimBHibees

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Originally Posted by bigwheel

LK socially mixes with these guys way too much to keep her impartiality...if this was (say) Blackford - she would be after him with passion as would the government.

The clear difference. Compare and contrast BBC reporting and manner of questioning of this to the Calderwood story
23-05-2020, 11:27 AM
bigwheel

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Originally Posted by JimBHibees

The clear difference. Compare and contrast BBC reporting and manner of questioning of this to the Calderwood story

BBC has lost its impartial point of view over the last 10+ years ..and the LKs of this world have gone weak when we needed a challenger voice most ..more focussed on protecting relationships than holding up the mirror ..

Channel 4 news to me still stands out from the crowd as a quality news channel in the UK

Shame , as we need everyone to be demanding quality policies and integrity in this days of divisive politics

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