one of them actually had Covid when breaking travel and distancing rules ??Quote:
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one of them actually had Covid when breaking travel and distancing rules ??Quote:
Originally Posted by Beefster
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I hear all this and I understand what you say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beefster
But she's the Political Editor of the National broadcaster. Following the breaking of a major story criticising a key member of the PM staff, her first response should not be an uncritical quote from the person under criticism. That is the job of the Govt press secretary. I have no problem if she wants to work for the Govt, but she doesn't, she works for the world's largest news organisation. She, above everyone, should understand the distinction between news and PR.
Fair point. Given that a lot of folk are asymptomatic though, I’m not sure that that explains the complete 180 between how each is viewed in the comment I quoted.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigwheel
:agree: Even Traynor eventually went straight.Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
I haven't seen figures for a while from other European countries which have lifted their lockdowns (thinking of Germany, Italy, Spain). I suppose no news might be good news in that if there was a steep rise in new infections or deaths we'd be talking about a second wave. However, it would be interesting to hear how easing of restrictions in places well ahead of us have impacted them; if there hasn't been any significant adverse reaction then that would be a story in itself, surely?
Most journalists use quotes. A journalist’s primary role is to report events, not offer criticism. She’s subsequently posted quotes from Labour, about a police statement, about backbench Tories being unhappy about it, about SNP and Lib Dem’s calling for his head and also posted...Quote:
Originally Posted by grunt
“Clear No 10 wants to tough this out - told he has no intention of resigning - but raises obvious questions of one rule for Downing St, one rule for everyone else“
Maybe it’s just me but I find it a bit depressing that a story breaks and, as well as raging about the ****ing Tories/SNP/Labour, folk go for the journalists that don’t do exactly what they want/expect. It’s just a slightly more refined version of Trump’s ‘fake news’ horse****.
One of them made it look like the elite did not have to obey the rules that they had set for others while the other.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Beefster
I’m not getting it either.
As I mentioned to Pretty Boy last night, I have no issue with LK reporting the different viewpoints on her timeline. My issue is with her response on to the twitter post by Pippa Crear. Do you not find it unusual for the political editor of the BBC to tweet a direct response to another journalists story that only includes a rebuttal from the government official involved? I don’t think you can ignore the context in which tweets are posted and to do so suggests a naive understanding of how twitter works but I’m sure that’s not the case. For example, someone who follows LK would get the full details, while someone who doesn’t and reads the Pippa Crear thread would only see the BBC political editor providing a rapid direct rebuttal from source (Cummings).Quote:
Originally Posted by Beefster
I can understand why you'd want to take your kids to somewhere they can be looked after (grandparents being as good an option as any), particularly if there's an out-house or area of the house where you can self isolate and recover. It's probably technically within the rules if you choose to interpret them that way regarding caring for a vulnerable person.
Driving 200 miles in a car with your kids while you're ill seems reckless though, especially to then drop them off at grandparents. There was surely a better way to do it all.
I quite like LK. Don’t get too fussed about things with her and other journos.
Like all parts of life there is a barter system. An unwritten establishment. Those journos who get fed stories and info from No 10 or Cummings will go light touch/defend and those he has pissed off will go for the jugular.
I suspect there is more in the latter camp. And I suspect quite a large amount of people within the Tory party too would like to see him go.
There’s nothing sinister. People are calling her out for good reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beefster
* She has been used by Cummings before to spread lies - the stuff during the election about Hancock being punched by Labour activists for example. Most journalists would not give the same source continued anonymity after that. She embraces it and is therefore abusing her platform. Fine if she worked for the Telegraph. Not so the BBC.
* Secondly she singularly fails to act as an actual journalist. She simply parrots these lines without any contextualisation or analysis of their factual basis. She’s at it again in the last hour. Reporting how “it seems” Cummings sister offered to take the kids. Ignoring that this is irrelevant to the rules he broke.
* This serves to muddy the actual truth. Quoting a tweet I saw earlier “Listen carefully to three stages of reporting on Cummings. 1 “sources say” 2. “I gather that”. 3. Repeat the sources story, adopting it as fact.
* She could be considered hypocritical or inconsistent - many journalists could be. However her reporting seems to consistently align with the agenda of this government. When the scientist Ferguson broke the rules her initial reaction was to tweet it was “a hell of a story”. 2 weeks later with Cummings her first action is to reply to the journalist who broke the story trying to refute it from her “source”.
I don't disagree with his stance on this but, just like Jackson Carlaw only in reverse, I wonder if he was so keen to tell Nicola Sturgeon that she had to sack Catherine Calderwood if she didn't resign?Quote:
Originally Posted by EskbankHibby
Perhaps he did do that and if so that's fine but I've done a search and I certainly can't see it anywhere at that time.
The other issue with all this is that Johnson and others in the government knew about it. So they’ve deemed it acceptable, then lied about it, whilst simultaneously leaking stories about scientists that they oppose, to remove them.
To a very large degree I agree with you. I'm not going to prolong this discussion because I don't think we're far apart. Twitter is a very immediate platform. First responses are significant. I acknowledge that she subsequently followed up with a more rounded view, but her first response was to uncritically report his response downplaying the story. I get what you say about the role of the journalist, but I don't think just putting out what he says is enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beefster
And I completely agree that this is a sideshow - the real story is Cummings' contempt for the rules, his arrogance that he can do what he tells others not to do. The broader political issue here is the attack on democracy, the role of unelected advisers and the complicity of the national broadcaster in supporting a Vote Leave Government. Please don't think that by criticising LK I'm ignoring all the other issues.
This is a big difference I believe from the Scottish CMO storyQuote:
Originally Posted by Tyler Durden
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I can't remember exactly who said what when the Calderwood story broke. However, it was revealed on the Sunday morning, and by the evening she'd resigned. Whatever occurred in the conversation between the CMO and FM which apparently led to an arrival at the decision her position was untenable, she had left her post within 24 hours. This is dragging on, and still no statement from the PM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
Summarised in one paragraph. Thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyler Durden
While Cummings tries to ride out the storm on this one by saying it was done on the basis of needing childcare, what I don’t get is why he would need childcare?
The advice was that if someone in a household shows/showed symptoms then others in that household must isolate for 14 days and the person showing symptoms for 7. Who and where he drove to and who offered to help with what is irrelevant, the family shouldn’t have been in contact with anyone for two weeks.
I don’t know if anyone caught the interview on the BBC with Ian Blackford this morning, but the questioning appeared to me to be ‘they’re just parents trying to do the best for their children’, which is clearly how this is going to try and be spun.
One of them knowingly put his parents and members of the public at risk fully in the knowledge that he was highly likely to be infectious at the time while the other........Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
Sky certainly going for the kill.
Absolutely and no doubt they would be in a large enough house to do this. Him traveling to elderly parents beggars belief to be honest in terms of putting them at risk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barney McGrew
Shirley a No 10 source can spin the footage of Cummings running in Downing St to demonstrate that he was well before he left London, and only developed symptoms when he was already in Durham?
https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/s...70761028644864
BBC radio 4, his wife speaking about oor Dom. Listen to the end.
Similar arrogant behaviour but his imo more serious given he had the virus and was putting his elderly parents at clear risk. Both deserve to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beefster
Whilst the other knowingly put the health of her family and locals near her holiday home at risk. This really isn’t a case of who behaved worse. They both behaved deplorably and showed utter contempt for the rest of us. Why are people using this to try and downplay what Calderwood did?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg
I don’t think he can ride out the storm. We are in pretty much the same position now as we were with the Calderwood story the morning after the story broke.The pressure will build as the day goes on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barney McGrew
Alastair Campbell is doing a fantastic interview on Sky at the moment, pointing out the article written by Cummings wife about their ‘London Lockdown’ when it appears they weren’t even in London at the time.
They are similiar behaviours and both should go.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinello59
Aye.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBHibees
Cases/deaths in the past 7 days:Quote:
Originally Posted by SideBurns
Germany - 4490/419
Spain - 7537/1169
Italy - 4773/1006
That's the figures available to me from here https://virusncov.com/ hopefully it's accurate.