SNP are lying b******s as well !

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When is the Scottish election?


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Does that not all seem a bit tin hat now the first ministers husband has been charged by the PF. Or do you think the PF with to cabinet members as it's head, are part of the shenanigans. If he gets guilty will you say fair play he was up to no good, this correctly was a huge story and would be front page news for years in any country it happened?

The Spanish PMs wifes corruption has multiple articles on the BBC over the last year and I was born after Imelda Marcos was robbing money but I know about her

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But if this was the big plot to get her and the SNP why hasn't she been charged? Surely that would be the end game in this plot?

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If there was a plot the end game would be to damage or ideally get rid of the SNP, not one individual in it.

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If there was a plot the end game would be to damage or ideally get rid of the SNP, not one individual in it.

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It's failed then, the SNP still ahead in the polls and support for Indy hasn't changed. The plotters were just rubbish at their job perhaps.

Maybe it wasn't a plot and Murrell was a bad boy, the simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

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Does that not all seem a bit tin hat now the first ministers husband has been charged by the PF. Or do you think the PF with to cabinet members as it's head, are part of the shenanigans. If he gets guilty will you say fair play he was up to no good, this correctly was a huge story and would be front page news for years in any country it happened?

The Spanish PMs wifes corruption has multiple articles on the BBC over the last year and I was born after Imelda Marcos was robbing money but I know about her

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Apparently has the world record for largest ever theft from a government - estimates between $5 and $10billion dollars. Are you suggesting that Murrell's embezzlement is of similar scale?

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But if this was the big plot to get her and the SNP why hasn't she been charged? Surely that would be the end game in this plot?

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They didn’t need to and there was no evidence. They got her with the investigation. This was 100% successful.


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Does that not all seem a bit tin hat now the first ministers husband has been charged by the PF. Or do you think the PF with to cabinet members as it's head, are part of the shenanigans. If he gets guilty will you say fair play he was up to no good, this correctly was a huge story and would be front page news for years in any country it happened?

The Spanish PMs wifes corruption has multiple articles on the BBC over the last year and I was born after Imelda Marcos was robbing money but I know about her

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The same PF found to have been guilty of malicious prosecution already?


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They didn’t need to and there was no evidence. They got her with the investigation. This was 100% successful.


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I don't think you can know three was no evidence, plenty of people are not charged as perhaps the evidence isn't strong enough to get a conviction so unless you have inside information you can't be sure there was no evidence at all.
But my point being if this was a plot the plotters are pretty rubbish as surely charging her and having a court case would cause maximum damage to the SNP, for some reason only known to the plotters they have decided not to do that.

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Apparently has the world record for largest ever theft from a government - estimates between $5 and $10billion dollars. Are you suggesting that Murrell's embezzlement is of similar scale?

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The last sentence you just made up. The Spanish PMs wife was small scale corruption but I've seen it all over the UK press for a year now, because it's a huge story, or are they out to get the Spanish PM 😆. The South Korean PMs wife was meant to have been given a free designer handbag and it was worldwide news BBC, Time magazine, CNN etc.

The husband of our FM getting charged with embezzlement is massive news and would be the main headline in any country in the world. If people don't agree with that I don't think they are being impartial

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The last sentence you just made up. The Spanish PMs wife was small scale corruption but I've seen it all over the UK press for a year now, because it's a huge story, or are they out to get the Spanish PM [emoji38]. The South Korean PMs wife was meant to have been given a free designer handbag and it was worldwide news BBC, Time magazine, CNN etc.

The husband of our FM getting charged with embezzlement is massive news and would be the main headline in any country in the world. If people don't agree with that I don't think they are being impartial

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Were those cases guilty? Not fussed about Murrel but the investigation of Sturgeon stinks of being politically motivated.


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Were those cases guilty? Not fussed about Murrel but the investigation of Sturgeon stinks of being politically motivated.


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The Spanish PMs wife's case hasn't reached court yet a year later.

That sounds a Trumpian. You can't just say you aren't bothered about Murrel he was the first ministers husband of course she would be investing too, one as being his wife so usually privy to some of his finances and two the head of the party he's accused of embezzling.

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I don't think you can know three was no evidence, plenty of people are not charged as perhaps the evidence isn't strong enough to get a conviction so unless you have inside information you can't be sure there was no evidence at all.
But my point being if this was a plot the plotters are pretty rubbish as surely charging her and having a court case would cause maximum damage to the SNP, for some reason only known to the plotters they have decided not to do that.

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If there was evidence surely they would have shown it to her?


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The thing that most dissuades me from this being some sort of a conspiracy is the fact that iirc it started out as a "nat on nat" squabble that the police seemed very hesitant to get involved with.

Eventually, after having been harangued by the aggrieved parties they agreed to look into it and it has led us here.

Obviously there is the split in the SNP that happened and that could be considered to an extent to be "political motivation" but it's not as seductive as the idea of the British state taking out significant figures within the independence movement - which doesn't really add up as being relevant to the actual issues at stake here?

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If there was evidence surely they would have shown it to her?


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So if it's a plot why was there no evidence?

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So if it's a plot why was there no evidence?

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They didn’t need any. Look at the damage they done without it. Splendid effort.


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The thing that most dissuades me from this being some sort of a conspiracy is the fact that iirc it started out as a "nat on nat" squabble that the police seemed very hesitant to get involved with.

Eventually, after having been harangued by the aggrieved parties they agreed to look into it and it has led us here.

Obviously there is the split in the SNP that happened and that could be considered to an extent to be "political motivation" but it's not as seductive as the idea of the British state taking out significant figures within the independence movement - which doesn't really add up as being relevant to the actual issues at stake here?

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I doubt the British state are involved. I suspect this is home grown here in Scotland.


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There can be no doubt that the case is politically motivated. I have a feeling it will be another Salmond type case with a not guilty at the end.

Not a big fan of Murrell anyway but no way he was stupid enough to steal party money. Maybe he was, we’ll soon find out at trail.

What can’t be denied is the length of time it’s taken to get here and also the time it will take to get to court. Far more serious crimes have had far less resources spent on them. That is no coincidence.

Can I imagine the PF’s office having an agenda? Quite frankly yes, you just have to look at Rangers Football Club RIP.

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They didn’t need any. Look at the damage they done without it. Splendid effort.


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What damage, the SNP are leading in the polls and support for Independence is unchanged, wasn't support for Indy actually higher in the last poll?

Pretty rubbish plot if you ask me, they should all be fired for failing miserably.

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If there was a plot the end game would be to damage or ideally get rid of the SNP, not one individual in it.

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They know mud sticks all about damaging reputations

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There can be no doubt that the case is politically motivated. I have a feeling it will be another Salmond type case with a not guilty at the end.

Not a big fan of Murrell anyway but no way he was stupid enough to steal party money. Maybe he was, we’ll soon find out at trail.

What can’t be denied is the length of time it’s taken to get here and also the time it will take to get to court. Far more serious crimes have had far less resources spent on them. That is no coincidence.

Can I imagine the PF’s office having an agenda? Quite frankly yes, you just have to look at Rangers Football Club RIP.

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It feels very similar to the Salmond affair... when the whole thing had to operate in secret, behind closed doors, little info ever really seemed to reach the public domain, it took up a massive quantity of public resource, the supposed guilty party turned out to be innocent although the reputational damage was very much done.

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What damage, the SNP are leading in the polls and support for Independence is unchanged, wasn't support for Indy actually higher in the last poll?

Pretty rubbish plot if you ask me, they should all be fired for failing miserably.

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Your contention is that it did not hurt the SNP? Or Sturgeon?[emoji23]


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Must keep this going to help Labour.[emoji849]


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This aged well! 😉

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Your contention is that it did not hurt the SNP? Or Sturgeon?[emoji23]


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It's been a rubbish plot, I would have planted the evidence and then had the court case starting just as the 2026 elections were happening to give it maximum publicly. I would have made sure the guilty verdict was delivered the day before polling. 😂

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It's been a rubbish plot, I would have planted the evidence and then had the court case starting just as the 2026 elections were happening to give it maximum publicly. I would have made sure the guilty verdict was delivered the day before polling. 😂

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I think there's a flaw in this that I think there's possibly a law that prevents court cases involving political parties and elections going on at the same time.

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I think there's a flaw in this that I think there's possibly a law that prevents court cases involving political parties and elections going on at the same time.

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What law is than then, what's it called?

There are local elections all the time so how would that work, surely people are prosecuted as individuals?

There can be no doubt that the case is politically motivated. I have a feeling it will be another Salmond type case with a not guilty at the end.

Not a big fan of Murrell anyway but no way he was stupid enough to steal party money. Maybe he was, we’ll soon find out at trail.

What can’t be denied is the length of time it’s taken to get here and also the time it will take to get to court. Far more serious crimes have had far less resources spent on them. That is no coincidence.

Can I imagine the PF’s office having an agenda? Quite frankly yes, you just have to look at Rangers Football Club RIP.

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Thanks for posting. When do we find out how much he's alleged to have embezzled?

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Closed court so no one knows.

John Swinney says its now clear the SNP may have been the victim of an embezzlement and the issue needs to be addressed by the courts.

Fair play he's no going down the American politics route of injustices, cover ups and it being politically motivated.

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What damage, the SNP are leading in the polls and support for Independence is unchanged, wasn't support for Indy actually higher in the last poll?

Pretty rubbish plot if you ask me, they should all be fired for failing miserably.

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Did you notice the SNP did quite badly at the last election?

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John Swinney says its now clear the SNP may have been the victim of an embezzlement and the issue needs to be addressed by the courts.

Fair play he's no going down the American politics route of injustices, cover ups and it being politically motivated.

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I’ve always said if there was wrong doing then the SNP is the victim here. And if Murrell is guilty then so be it. The arrest of Sturgeon was entirely without evidence though.


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Appeared in court on petition and if it goes to trial it will be before a jury.