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Rangers have this won
PSV have almost no creativity - boring and slow
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Landed on their feet as usual. PSV are beyond awful in every department.
Rangers seem to have a right problem with cramp.. noticed that on Saturday too, strange that.
they've only played two game but that PSV side are sitting 3rd with a game in hand with ajax at the top, crappy league
What a ****ing disaster this is.
A Josh Campbell goal will cure it 👍🏻Quote:
Originally Posted by SaulGoodman
lol@ that attempt at a volley, PSV would struggle in our lowland league :)
There it is
Full time PSV 0-1 Rangers
Rangers through to the Champions League group stages 3-2 on aggregate.
Sevco players telling the PSV player it's very bad to commit a cynical foul
****sake
And all of Scottish football rejoiced as the rich get fabulously richer, whilst the rest should be delighted with scraps
**** off! That's a sickener that.
Don't think I can bring myself to watch the game tomorrow.
What a ****ing disaster for the rest of Scottish football. The bigot twins getting an additional £30m to £40m each.
With everyone else playing every midweek we must be favourites to win the league.
Only a Hearts pumping the morn will cheer me up now.
I don't think I will see a team other than Celtic or The Rangers win a league title for the rest of my lifetime.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
Heartz will win as well tomorrow night, they will score at least twice
No two ways about it, that's a terrific result for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
Yes, that's a massive pay day for the Rangers. They have done really well to qualify over there. Avoid the media for the next few days.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecounty hibby
Who cares, they were already financially way ahead in any case. Hopefully they'll waste the extra cash.
Nearly 40 years since a non-OF team won the League - the money these two are going to get means I doubt I'll ever see a non OF team win the League - how effing depressing
That gap has just substantially increased.Quote:
Originally Posted by bringbackbenny
Aware it'll pale in comparison to what they and their bigot cousins will earn, but am I right in thinking this results in SOME money coming into the club?
If so, anyone know how much?
We get some crumbs from the rich man's table? Trickledown economics in action.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylar
It's not like anyone would have come close to bridging it anytime soon before tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
They have a guaranteed warchest from their ST holders every year - exactly the reason neither club takes serious action against their problematic elements.
I'm not suggesting it puts us in a position to kick on, but surely nobody is going to say money coming into the club is a bad thing from an operating point of view? Particularly in the current climate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
I would rather they hadn't qualified and gotten at least £30 million.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylar
Will always be an OF team - especially when you play them x4 a season in league.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irish_Steve
Sad but true - 3rd and Europa League / conference has to be the target / plus cup runs.
I don't disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
But silver linings and all that...
Stopped caring what the old firm do in Europe long ago. We’ll not be challenging them for the title in my lifetime, hopefully European games are a distraction from league games and we can gain points from them to help us toward our main objective of qualifying for Europe ourselves.
Not unless another club gets a billionaire takeover, but that's never going to happen. If anything, it will be the Old Firm who benefit from that one day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irish_Steve
who knows what the long term impact on other clubs will be, we could start to see the league self destructQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
And will continue to increaseQuote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
Rangers deserved that win, two Scottish teams in Champions League, our co-efficient goes up and potential opportunities for Hibs in Europe. Champions League team and they couldn't beat us. 😁
Potentially 4th place group stage euro football next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by andyf5
With that incentive in mind I hope we push the boat out slightly to give Johnson 2-3 more players in.
Our co-efficient would go better if they were winning games in the Europa League rather than losing them in the Champions League.Quote:
Originally Posted by andyf5
Ive got every condidence in Hearts to failQuote:
Originally Posted by cabbageandribs1875
That’s a strange system then, surely having 2 teams qualifying to play in the champions league, irrespective of results when they get there, should be better than beating some diddy teams the 2nd/3rd tier of European competition🤷🏼Quote:
Originally Posted by ancient hibee
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lancs Harp
oh i do hope you're right, either way they are getting group stages in a European competition
#jealousas***k
I don't disagree, but it's no longer a problem unique to Scotland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hibernia&Alba
Almost every major league in Europe is dominated by one or a handful of clubs, and the uncertainty and joy the game once provided in abundance has been replaced by boredom and predictability.
Think this is a good thing for the league to be honest.
The way the other clubs get closer to the old firm isn't by waiting for them to be crap, it's by regularly qualifying for group stage Europe.
Them doing well in Europe makes that easier to achieve for the rest of the clubs.
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Got to feel sorry for the working girls in Amsterdam tonight.
Few curtains will be kept closed on the windows.
I can actually see Rangers doing alright in the groups and with a favourable draw I wouldn’t be surprised to see them in the last 16. Id be surprised if they finish bottom of their group.
That being said, whilst I think celtic are a better side, I fancy them to get pumped rotten. The way they play will play right into the hands of teams at that level.
It hasn't helped all the other leagues in Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by IvanSproule
England, Germany, France, Spain, Italy and more all dominated by one or two clubs light years ahead of the rest.
I find it all rather depressing.
It would need someone to do what Rangers have just done. Get 2nd in the league (not totally out of the question) then qualify for the Champions League group stage. They'd then have to use the income from it very wisely the next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irish_Steve
Highly unlikely to happen unfortunately.
Hmm not sure that’s right, is it not another automatic champs league place before 4th getting automatic group place?Quote:
Originally Posted by tonyrougier123
A guaranteed 4th team in the europa or conference league group stage is absolutely miles away I’m sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart93
We would need to break into the top 6 of the co-efficient table before 3rd place gets a spot in the Champions League qualifiers and 4th would be in the Europa League play offs.Quote:
Originally Posted by tonyrougier123
That's a long way off.
That's not true for 3 of the 5 leagues you've mentioned though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chorley Hibee
What actually happens in England, Spain and Italy is there are a couple of dominant clubs followed by a few more clubs who consistently challenge and occasionally beat the dominant clubs to the title. They are able to do this because the super successful teams on their league open up the riches of European competition to the other teams.
I think Hibs, Hearts, Aberdeen could be those clubs in Scotland.
Like Athletico Madrid, Napoli, Spurs, Atalanta etc
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It’s why for many, modern football has simply become boring and uninteresting. So many now only really have interest in their own clubs and don’t watch or follow any games other than their own. I’ve been like that with Hibs for a good few years now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chorley Hibee
Italy has 3 different champions in the last 3 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chorley Hibee
Spain the same.
France even has recent league wins from Lille and Monaco.
England has different champions all the time really.
They're all significantly more competitive than Scotland.
This. It's like all things in life - wanting someone else to be rubbish isn't going to make you any better.Quote:
Originally Posted by IvanSproule
For me, it highlights the poor management of the teams in Scotland - Rangers are currently over achieving in Europe - when was the last time Hibs over achieved in anything?
I'd hope that Hibs can use this as inspiration to improve - Rangers couldn't beat us at the weekend.
Fans can run on emotion, but the owners of Hibs need to look at how they become part of improving Scottish football or continue being part of a mediocre product. And I'll always stick up for Scotland.
We won't be closing the gap to the OF to be the same size as that between Atleti and Real, or Napoli and Inter any time soon. Wealth/income generation is a cycle and qualifying for the Group stages gets the OF the proper money to assemble squads to skoosh Scottish football and almost focus on Europe.
Forget about them, they are operating in a different ecosystem. I more fervently hope that we don't see a similar thing happen with Hearts, but a couple of years of Europa League group qualification could see them cement "best of the rest", at least from an income/wages they can offer perspective, for a good while
The money they get from FOH every year will be enough for that, if it’s spent wisely (something they haven’t always done). There is a real danger that from a relatively level playing field for most of the last decade Hibs are going to be left behind financially.Quote:
Originally Posted by lyonhibs
We need European group stage football.
Number of league winners for each of the top 10 European leagues since 1984/85 (the last time Celtic or Rangers failed to win the Scottish league);
France - 10
England - 9
Belgium - 7
Italy - 7
Austria - 6
Germany - 6
Spain - 5
Netherlands - 5
Portugal - 4
Scotland - 2
that’s a poor showing for Spain to be honest. Out of the big two, only three other clubs have got their hands on the title in near 40 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
miles better than Scotland, mind, but still poor imo
It is, but then you have to remember Real Madrid and Barcelona are probably the two biggest football clubs in the world. Massively difficult to compete with them over a 38 game season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pagan Hibernia
That's an interesting stat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir David Gray
I also had a look at the last 10 years just to see if the petrodollars era has made the major leagues less competitive compared to the last 35 years that you are measuring. They haven't really, Since 2011-12 over the last ten campaigns there's been 5 different winners in England, 4 in France, Spain and Portugal, 3 in Belgium, Holland and Italy (all in the last three years! Prior to that it was Juve with 7 straight), and Germany and Austria just 2.(Bayern with the last nine titles though, Red Bull with a similarly untouchable run in Austria).
I also had a memory of English football being way more competitive when I was young and followed it religiously at primary school. But looking back that's just memory playing tricks, between 1975-85 there were only 4 different league winners (Liverpool Everton Forest and Villa), so it's always good to check these things.
What the old firm do beyond hopefully slipping up against us and making sure they beat our rivals Is irrelevant. If anything them being in the champions league gives me a game to watch during the week.
The only gap I'm interested in is the one to hearts as it could be us taking advantage and getting the European nights. Rangers as much as some people think otherwise are not our rivals. They were for 2 maybe 3 years when they were building but the situation now is back to how I've always known it with them and celtic miles ahead over a season. That sits fine with me, if we get 3rd, Europe and start building our own finances we will progress as a club.
If Hearts have no shots on target, lose two goals and have 31% possession against Zurich do they go through? Trying to work out the yamenomics for tonight 😁
Depends if they get the 2 late red cards that caused the defeat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iain G
“2 red cards” x “mins left in the game” / “big team grandeur” = real number of goals scored
If they do get knocked out, it’s not “knocked out” it’s “demoted”
I don't know but no doubt they will have been 'outstanding' and it will have 'felt like a win'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iain G
they’ll probably spend three months taking it through the courts appealing against the demotion to the conference league. Because “it’s the right thing to do”.Quote:
Originally Posted by easty
And with Rangers getting into the Group stages, Hearts just get more coefficient money from UEFA
Underlines the impact of us crumbling last season from a comprehensive third place the season beforeQuote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
Is that correct? NightmareQuote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
For the good of the game :greengrinQuote:
Originally Posted by Pagan Hibernia
Agreed with your last sentence, but honestly when did we last reach that or equivalent stage in Europe?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pagan Hibernia
Getting top 4 this season and then subsequently having a proper go at Europe for a change is absolutely vital
You only have to finish 3rd for it now though so you just get there by default. Before, you would have to beat at least two really decent sides to get there.Quote:
Originally Posted by lyonhibs
You've made a very valid point re Hearts, the OF will only get richer as Scottish football guarantees them European football every season, but hearts could be on the verge of putting financial daylight between the rest of the league with the FOH money and a European run, worrying times.Quote:
Originally Posted by lyonhibs
I'm fully expecting Sevco to get weakest possible draw, too. Why not, everything else falls their way.
:agree: That’s the really big change for Scottish clubs, the removal of the need to have a two legged playoff for finishing 3rd. Whoever does that this year will catch up a bit financially with hearts, if it’s hearts, the other nonOF clubs start to look in trouble. We haven’t got past more than two ties in European competition from what I can see from (wiki) since 73-74 Cup Winners Cup, we got to the quarter final, and we’ve never reached ‘the group stages’ of a euro competition in the modern sense since then I don’t think?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2
They’re under no pressure in a great no lose situation No matter how they play or what they do they’ll be playing at least 3 months of European football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iain G
Indeed. Wish it was us tonight. So glad we totally ****ed up last season.Quote:
Originally Posted by ancient hibee
I know this gets attached to a lot of seasons, but THIS season is a really big one for the club. If we could do the unlikely and get a third place finish with a new boss and a rebuilt team it would be an amazing achievement, and would enable us to be in the mix for European football and be at least getting close to Hearts ability to pay the best wages behind the Glasgow two.
All true that ….can’t see us getting the consistency for third place . Hearts are too experienced imho. Also think Aberdeen look great going forward (not so sure about defence mind you ). If we could get 4th/5th and progress throughout the season , I’d be happyQuote:
Originally Posted by hibsbollah
For anyone who gives a ****.. Hearts team tonight.
Gordon
Smith
Rowles
Kingsley
Cochrane
Devlin
Grant
Forrest
Boyce
McKay
Shankland
All *****.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesHFC
Stick it on the FC Zurich fans forum, JamesQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesHFC
No chance of an Old Firm final then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stubbsy90+2
[QUOTE=Stub
I'm not sure it's that
Is it not the case that it's the Scottish Cup winner/runner-up that gets the highest placing
If we'd won the cup last year, we'd have been playing Zurich in the play-off game
Hearts - as 3rd place but no cup final - would have been playing AZ Alkmaar (instead of Dundee Utd) in the earlier round
It's all about the cup
You no longer get a Euro place for being runner-up in the cup, if the winner has already qualified. It changed quite a few years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Springbank
Group F:
Real Madrid
RB Leipzig
Shakhtar Dontesk
Celtic
Group A:
Ajax
Liverpool
Napoli
Rangers
That's Rangers out.
Can we offer Shakhtar the opportunity to make ER their base?Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveHFC
How cool would that be.Quote:
Originally Posted by hibbyfraelibby
Presume they’ll play in Poland, like the National teamQuote:
Originally Posted by hibbyfraelibby
Hope the pwicks lose every game 8-0Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveHFC
I think the proposal was for Easter Road to be the base for Celtic's home game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Whizz
Lovely finish for West Ham. 4-1 on agg now
Really surprised at what short work Neil Lennon's Omnia Nicosia are making of Gent. Beat them 2 nil away and currently 2 up at home.
Europa league too. Decent level ReallyQuote:
Originally Posted by Wilson
Good motivational manager.
Hearts chum sending me a gloating message
Aldo ya HIV bassa. Nothing better than European Nite under the lights. 20k full stadium whilst you’re stuck in the hoose. 1-5 blah blah
So I replied there will be nowhere near 20k as no many Zurich fans so maybe around 17k
PS your Tiny Stadium only holds 19852
Yeah I wish it was us and yes I’m childish and bitter but didn’t get a response!
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Tired of all this nauseating pro-Jambo chat from the media. They are no as good as they think they are. Zürich will show them up for what they are and the '20K' in 'northern Europes most atmospheric stadium' 🤣🤣🤣 will be as quiet as church mice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldo
Any one up for Hertz Bingo?
I’ll start
‘Kingsley showing all his experience there’
New disco lights at tynecastle, maybe they are included in the attendance. BTW nowhere near 20k as there's substantial segregation. All irrelevant though. Still wish it was us
They all miss the point. It doesn’t hold 20k.Quote:
Originally Posted by GRA
Do we hear RG or LJ saying will will have 20 plus thousand at our games. NO.
We all know
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‘Brave’ ‘Plucky’ ‘Bungalow’ ‘Atmosphere’ ‘Cardigan’Quote:
Originally Posted by Libby Hibby
‘hearts fantastic attacking threat’Quote:
Originally Posted by Libby Hibby